WFMU: If You Lose Your Horse with Sam Segal: Playlist from July 20, 2022

Listener comments!
	🥁 ♥ 10:00pm Gary: Saaam!
	🥁 ♥ 10:01pm DL in LA: Saddle up!
	♥ 10:01pm TDK60: Sam! I wish to avoid turning off my radio /now/.
	♥ 10:01pm Sam Segal: Gary! Thanks for the amazing show tonight.
	♥ 10:02pm Sam Segal: Your wish is my suggestion, TDK!
	♥ 10:02pm Sam Segal: Giddy (up) to see you, DL!
	♥ 10:02pm Webhamster Henry: I just found out that Lights Out! was recycled into a show called "The Devil and Mr. O" (Mr. O was Arch Obler) archive.org...
	♥ 10:04pm Sam Segal: The cover image for "The Devil and Mr. O" is incredible, Webhamster Henry.
	♥ 10:07pm TDK60: Wow, folks used to have to take classes on how to commute?
	🥁 ♥ 10:08pm zzz: evening SS, folks, happy wednesday
	🥁 ♥ 10:09pm chresti: Hi Sam and horse shakers and movers!
	♥ 10:09pm TDK60: Oh, /now/ I see the giant "1st" bigger than a skyscraper.
	♥ 10:11pm Sam Segal: Welcome to Horse Central, zzz and chresti!
	🥁 ♥ 10:11pm WR: Yes, appears they are offering 1st Class commuter bus. What. From 30s swing to Pete Drake country funk? What's going on here?
	🥁 ♥ 10:11pm zzz: fun track, wouldnt be out of place on the excellent “country funk” comps on light in the attic
	♥ 10:13pm Sam Segal: You didn't take "Intro to Commuting," TDK? How have you managed to get yourself to work all these years?
	♥ 10:15pm Sam Segal: You'll have to forgive the sharp left turn, WR. Strap in for further dislocations.
	🥁 ♥ 10:15pm zzz: that cover is kind of terrifying firstgeneration.bandcamp.com...
	♥ 10:16pm Sam Segal: Is the implication that the pedal steel guitar drove him crazy? I have heard it is a pretty hard instrument.
	🥁 ♥ 10:16pm northguineahills: here's your autobus commute: 3.bp.blogspot.com...
	♥ 10:17pm Sam Segal: Great photo, NGH. Where is it from?
	10:19pm Dean: A stroll through London today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIx1gPt15NE
	🥁 ♥ 10:19pm northguineahills: no se, pero encontre aqui: radioruidotriangulation.blogspot.com...
	🥁 ♥ 10:21pm WR: oh, wow, should have known that there is a country side of bandcamp (apologies wet willie).
	♥ 10:22pm Sam Segal: Thank you for strolling in, Dean!
	🥁 ♥ 10:22pm northguineahills: @Dean: I wonder if these guys now have a London chapter (seem to be manchester based) : thelrm.org (the loiterers resistance movement)
	10:25pm Dean: I can't say, ngh, but "decode the palimpsest of the streets" grabs me. Sounds like Walter Benjamin's metier.
	🥁 ♥ 10:26pm coelacanth∅: greetings Sam & stablemates
	♥ 10:27pm Sam Segal: Coel! Good to internet see you!
	🥁 ♥ 10:39pm northguineahills: Orchestre Murphy, new to me and digdug!
	10:39pm rw: Hey hey
	♥ 10:40pm Sam Segal: Hello hello, rw!
	♥ 10:41pm Sam Segal: Glad you dug, Orchestre Murphy, NGH. Pulled it off of this compilation of tunes by lead artist Robert Storey.
	🥁 ♥ 10:43pm doctorjazz: Hey Horsemen, joining the Calvary!
	♥ 10:43pm Sam Segal: Hold your fire, Doc!
	🥁 ♥ 10:44pm doctorjazz: Nice sets I missed, tomorrow's office listening.
	🥁 ♥ 10:45pm doctorjazz: Hey Dean, still waiting on my speaker cable, listen thorough 1 speaker, my laptop, or headphones (these days, no way to know when something will be shipped).
	10:49pm Dean: Sorry for the setback, doctorjazz. I hope that cable arrives pronto. I need to think about replacing my speaker cable, if only because what I have is two long spans of them. But I'm a fan of Dunlavy.
	♥ 10:52pm Sam Segal: I think you'll like that Toshiko Akiyoshi & Lew Tabackin Big Band, Doc.
	🥁 ♥ 10:57pm zzz: sounds good!
	🥁 ♥ 10:58pm zzz: chicago flavor
	🥁 ♥ 10:58pm doctorjazz: I'm sure I will-have the Drummerless morning (no live shows until noon), my catch up with archives time. Like this Parallax Ensemble!
	♥ 10:58pm Sam Segal: This is from the soundtrack to a documentary about Chicago post-rock.
	🥁 ♥ 10:59pm zzz: can hear it
	🥁 ♥ 11:00pm northguineahills: ahhh, cool! I was just thinking we needed a post-rock revival, as it didn't get the proper love the first time around.....
	🥁 ♥ 11:00pm doctorjazz: Seeing The Microscopic Septet tomorrow night (with Dave Sewelson). Caught 2 of their sets Sunday, they were great, looking forward to catching their last show for a while.
	11:02pm Dean: If this is "post-rock" then I'm post-Mozart.
	11:03pm Dean: If musicians these days had the slightest imagination they'd opt for post-Telemann.
	🥁 ♥ 11:03pm doctorjazz: Sounds like not-much-improvisation-jazz-influenced-modern-classical-music.
	11:04pm Dean: On the nose, doctorjazz.
	♥ 11:04pm Sam Segal: Hahaha, I don't know if that Parallax Ensemble would be considered post-rock, even though it was co-led by David Grubbs who was/is definitely post-rock in other contexts (Gastr del Sol, for example). But it seemed like Parallax Ensemble leaned more toward the contemporary jazz side than post-rock. Other co-leader of the group was Ken Vandermark.
	♥ 11:04pm Sam Segal: I think the documentary was about post-rock, but the soundtrack wasn't totally post-rock...sort of confusing.
	🥁 ♥ 11:05pm coelacanth∅: hay hay rw
	🥁 ♥ 11:06pm coelacanth∅: hey doctor
	11:06pm rw: Crap. I missed my opportunity for a horse related pun.
	11:06pm rw: I suck.
	♥ 11:07pm Sam Segal: Is it really too late, rw?
	🥁 ♥ 11:07pm coelacanth∅: horse pun opportunities are as abundant as horse shit, don't worry.
	🥁 ♥ 11:07pm doctorjazz: Still getting used to the new work schedule. Used to start late on Thursdays, could sleep late. Now have to get up 6:30 (on the other hand, I used to get home 10-11 PM on Thursdays, have gotten Thursday evening back). Hey Coela! Really like Craig Taborn, been listening a lot to a recent album of his recently.
	11:08pm Dean: I love Vandermark's work, and I suppose I'm not surprised that he fiddled in the "post-rock" area, but I don't quite get the moniker. It smells of The Wire to me, and I am extremely skeptical of anything The Wire has to offer.
	♥ 11:09pm Sam Segal: Have to brag that Craig Taborn hails from my home state of Minnesota.
	♥ 11:09pm Sam Segal: What do you find dubious about The Wire, Dean?
	🥁 ♥ 11:10pm northguineahills: @rw: it's your stable to trot one out, every bit shoes us into a paddock.
	11:10pm Dean: You really want to get me started?
	🥁 ♥ 11:11pm northguineahills: the british grey beard syndrome of the wire petered out by the end of the oughts, imho...
	🥁 ♥ 11:12pm northguineahills: well, my walk through london has concluded.
	♥ 11:12pm Sam Segal: Hahaha, I kind of do, Dean, but it is up to you.
	11:16pm rw: All this pressure to come up with a pun is making me un-STABLE!
	11:16pm rw: Whew. Did it.
	♥ 11:17pm Sam Segal: Neighs in delight at rw's pun
	🥁 ♥ 11:18pm northguineahills: whickers in approval
	🥁 ♥ 11:18pm doctorjazz: rw-if the horseshoe fits...
	11:22pm Dean: I'll abbreviate. First, it's mostly bullshit opinionating. I have no reason to trust any of the commentators. Second, the writing is dreadfully bad. Ben Watson is a great example: unbearably overwrought blathering of no real import. Third, there is no sense of rigorous selection. They just write about anything and choose to promote it. Wire Tapper is a great example. So much of it is ridiculously pointless. Fourth, their heroes simply aren't interesting. Cat Power? Bonnie "Prince" Billy? Tortoise? The Sea and Cake? These artists can't survive without independent promotion. (I'd argue Can, too, is pointless, but they do survive.)
	11:22pm rw: Not to change the subject, but we did some photos at the Skirball Museum in LA the other day. Evidently there's a new holiday called Tzedek?
	11:24pm Dean: Short story shorter: Wire is cult-like.
	🥁 ♥ 11:25pm coelacanth∅: rw that's a whinny uh i mean a winner
	11:26pm Dean: Saw Uri Caine at the Skirball in LA with Don Byron and, I think, Jim Black.
	11:26pm rw: Or maybe I was given some misinformation or misunderstood... I'm not seeing anything on the interweb. Thank you coelacanth. You're too kind.
	11:27pm rw: Dean, we were saying they should get Zorn.
	11:28pm Dean: Well, sure, a great venue for him. I'd be surprised to learn that he hasn't already appeared there. I saw Caine, whew, more than 20 years ago?
	🥁 ♥ 11:30pm coelacanth∅: Sam, was "zest" your bed music?
	🥁 ♥ 11:31pm doctorjazz: That's a great band, Dean, Caine, Byron, Black, seen them in many configurations. Zorn is doing another matinee at the Village Vanguard with his New Masada, but I'll be away that Sunday. OK, gonna try for some beauty sleep, thanks Sam, laters all!
	11:32pm Dean: Was Greg Cohen playing bass? Man, what an ensemble!
	♥ 11:32pm Sam Segal: My bed music was "Modern Times" by Midas Touch from the library music album "Melting Pot."
	♥ 11:33pm Sam Segal: Sleep beautifully, Doc!
	🥁 ♥ 11:34pm northguineahills: imma following doc, cheers and nights!
	♥ 11:35pm Sam Segal: God speed and goodnight, NGH!
	♥ 11:36pm Sam Segal: Dean, I love your hatred of Tortoise and The Sea and Cake. I feel like it comes up often on here because I play a lot of bands from that general scene, including them. I genuinely appreciate your passionate disdain!
	🥁 ♥ 11:37pm coelacanth∅: g'night doc g'night ngh
	🥁 ♥ 11:41pm Ike: Been listening and enjoying. And BTW, I posted a lot of passionate disdain in the early days of the comments board! Maybe I should bring that back! ...or not.
	11:44pm Dean: I have a strong anti-Chicago bias in many respects. On a recent trip, not too many years ago, the city brought me to tears. It is among the most boring cities I've ever visited. Likewise, the music bores me these days. Not counting Vandermark, whom I adore, I can't fathom what musicians like Sam Prekop have to offer me. Their work exudes nonchalance and apathy.
	♥ 11:44pm Sam Segal: Your disdain is always welcome here, Ike!
	♥ 11:50pm Franco Twinkie: My distain for Chicago only extends as far as the band.
	🥁 ♥ 11:50pm WR: Whoa, very active comments. Will be reading and digging on it while listening to the stream.
	🥁 ♥ 11:50pm Ike: Well, if you want disdain, you'll have to play something that's actually bad! Got any Eagles-related projects or shitty Dead bootlegs?
	11:51pm Dean: Those first four albums, Franco...not bad. Not bad at all.
	♥ 11:52pm Sam Segal: Shitty Dead bootlegs aren't out of the question, Ike. I won't treat this as a formal request though.
	♥ 11:52pm Sam Segal: Hahaha, good one, Franco.
	11:52pm Dean: New set of Dead shows at MSG due out soon, 17CDs. Probably gonna go for it.
	♥ 11:54pm Franco Twinkie: I was thinking of the dweebs in high school who liked them to the exclusion of every other type of music - kind of like the most fanatical Deadheads, hmm.
	11:55pm rw: 25, or 624?
	♥ 11:56pm Franco Twinkie: That was good!
	🥁 ♥ 11:56pm Ike: I occasionally used to roast Jeff Conklin for playing terrible Dead boots and he did not appreciate it and was not a good sport, LOL.
	♥ 11:57pm Franco Twinkie: Actually, I really liked Saturday in the Park too.
	11:57pm Dean: Tethered Moon, a lovely trio.
	♥ 11:58pm Franco Twinkie: It's Jeffs lack of humor that got him in the end, I'm afraid.
	11:58pm rw: Ha! Ike, JC was NOT a good sport.
	🥁 ♥ 11:59pm coelacanth∅: Ike i permanently banned myself from Jeff's comments boards!
	11:59pm rw: Franco, it's too bad. I kind of liked the guy. And even though the Dead thing isn't MY thing, I appreciated it.
	♥ 11:59pm Franco Twinkie: That been said, I liked Jeff's show quite a lot.
	🥁 ♥ 12:00am Ike: Almost every single non-Dead thing he played was fantastic! I was surprised he didn't ban me -- though he threatened to.
	🥁 ♥ 12:01am coelacanth∅: ...though i thought his show was a good addition to wfmu's programming, and included that opinion in a rant after the schedule change...which of course Ken didn't appreciate
	12:01am rw: Sam, on the other hand... WAY good sport.
	🥁 ♥ 12:01am zzz: thanks SS, goodnight all
	♥ 12:01am Franco Twinkie: Many fans of The Dead are blind to their glaring faults. But regardless, I still love them.
	🥁 ♥ 12:02am coelacanth∅: i'll add my worthless opinion here too that i like early chicago
	12:03am Dean: The ambiguities, Franco, in your proclamation, are delightful.
	🥁 ♥ 12:03am coelacanth∅: ...and was profoundly unimpressed with the city of chicago
	🥁 ♥ 12:04am coelacanth∅: Thanks Sam!
	♥ 12:04am Franco Twinkie: I cringed when Jeff started with that Coel. I knew he was shooting himself though the heart.
	12:04am rw: Thank you Sam!!! Good night all.
	🥁 ♥ 12:04am WR: Thank you ! Sam! and all y'all opinionators.
	🥁 ♥ 12:04am chresti: One Tortoise related cd I'd play as background music was by the drummer-all drum beats, rolls, etc.
	🥁 ♥ 12:04am Ike: Thanks Sam!
	🥁 ♥ 12:05am coelacanth∅: Franco i concur
	🥁 ♥ 12:05am chresti: Thanks Sam!
	♥ 12:05am Sam Segal: rw, thank you for appreciating my sporting attitude!
	🥁 ♥ 12:05am WR: Dean, I concur.
	🥁 ♥ 12:05am coelacanth∅: oh man i LOVE this Baaba Maal-Mansour Seck track!
	♥ 12:05am Franco Twinkie: Thank you Sam. Is there a late night show all us opinionators can flock to now?
	🥁 ♥ 12:06am coelacanth∅: i don't do $¢
	12:06am rw: I think there's a fill-in on the regular station...
	🥁 ♥ 12:06am coelacanth∅: ...too many juvenile sound effects for my taste
	🥁 ♥ 12:08am WR: same @12:06am @coelacanth∅:
	🥁 ♥ 12:08am WR: Ok, shower & sleep for me. laters
	12:09am rw: Nope. Sound effects as usual...
	🥁 ♥ 12:10am coelacanth∅: right, maybe i'll listen to owlbot for a spell

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Approx. start time
Artie Shaw	I Ain't Comin' "I Ain't Comin'" by "Artie Shaw"	"On the Air" 1939-1940	Good Time	0:00:00 (Pop-up)
Earl Hines and His Orchestra	Darkness	1932-1934	Classics	0:04:11 (Pop-up)

Pete Drake	Steel Funk "Steel Funk" by "Pete Drake"	Single	First Generation	0:10:05 (Pop-up)
Jimmie Crawford	Dee Dee "Dee Dee" by "Jimmie Crawford"	Steel Crazy	First Generation	0:12:23 (Pop-up)
Abelardo Carbono	Oye Mujé, Mujé	El maravilloso mundo de...	Vampisoul	0:14:50 (Pop-up)
Los Golden Boys	Sonrieme "Sonrieme" by "Los Golden Boys"	Cumbia De Juventud	Mississippi	0:19:18 (Pop-up)
The Stanley Brothers	If I Lose "If I Lose" by "The Stanley Brothers"	The Early Starday-King Years 1958-1961	King	0:22:10 (Pop-up)
The Gill Singers	Don't Put Off Today For Tomorrow	Passages From The Cuca Gospel	Numero Group	0:24:13 (Pop-up)
Toshiko Akiyoshi & Lew Tabackin Big Band	Quadrille, Anyone	Long Yellow Road	RCA Victor	0:27:22 (Pop-up)
Elaine Kibaro	De L'Autre Côté Du Miroir	Pour L'Amour	Emotional Rescue	0:33:37 (Pop-up)
Orchestre Murphy	Bad Day at Babbling Brook	Come Up And Hear My Etchings 1986 - 2016	Emotional Response	0:36:27 (Pop-up)
One More Grain	Southern "Southern" by "One More Grain"	Beans On Toast With Pythagoras	Self-Released	0:39:45 (Pop-up)

Punkt.Vrt.Plastik	Axon "Axon" by "Punkt.Vrt.Plastik"	Somit	Intakt	0:50:49 (Pop-up)
Parallax Ensemble	Nowhere is the Place	Parallax Sounds OST	Just Temptation	0:54:22 (Pop-up)
Steve Lehman Trio + Craig Taborn	Chance	The People I Love	Pi	1:04:29 (Pop-up)
Frank Zappa and The Mothers of Invention	Blessed Relief	The Grand Wazoo	Bizarre/Reprise	1:07:51 (Pop-up)
Agustin Pereyra Lucena Quartet	Samba Do Aviao	La Rana	Far Out	1:15:30 (Pop-up)
Rolf Kühn Group	Zest "Zest" by "Rolf Kühn Group"	Connection '74	MPS	1:18:45 (Pop-up)

Gabby Fluke-Mogul	iiiiiii "iiiiiii" by "Gabby Fluke-Mogul"	Love Songs	Relative Pitch	1:28:21 (Pop-up)
Macie Stewart & Lia Kohl	Toothpick Bicycle	Pocket Full of Bees	Astral Editions	1:33:04 (Pop-up)
Beatriz Ferreyra	Jingle Bayle’s	Canto+	Room40	1:34:28 (Pop-up)
Bloque del Sur	Línea B "Línea B" by "Bloque del Sur"	German Army & Bloque del Sur	Pakapi	1:38:16 (Pop-up)
Läuten der Seele	Merkwürdige Vögel erscheinen im Garten	Läuten der Seele	Hands in the Dark	1:40:58 (Pop-up)
G.S.Sachdev	Cosmos "Cosmos" by "G.S.Sachdev"	Bansuri: The Bamboo Flute Of India	Lyrichord	1:43:50 (Pop-up)
Josh Quillen	Yesterdays by Jerome Kern	steel drum improvs/arrangements	Self-Released	1:48:50 (Pop-up)
Tethered Moon	Le Petit Monsieur Triste	Chansons d' Edith Piaf	Winter & Winter	1:50:54 (Pop-up)
Edith Piaf	Avant Nous "Avant Nous" by "Edith Piaf"	The Voice of the Sparrow: The Very Best of Edith Piaf	Capitol	1:57:05 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	🥁 ♥ 10:00pm Gary: Saaam!
	🥁 ♥ 10:01pm DL in LA: Saddle up!
	♥ 10:01pm TDK60: Sam! I wish to avoid turning off my radio /now/.
	♥ 10:01pm Sam Segal: Gary! Thanks for the amazing show tonight.
	♥ 10:02pm Sam Segal: Your wish is my suggestion, TDK!
	♥ 10:02pm Sam Segal: Giddy (up) to see you, DL!
	♥ 10:02pm Webhamster Henry: I just found out that Lights Out! was recycled into a show called "The Devil and Mr. O" (Mr. O was Arch Obler) archive.org...
	♥ 10:04pm Sam Segal: The cover image for "The Devil and Mr. O" is incredible, Webhamster Henry.
	♥ 10:07pm TDK60: Wow, folks used to have to take classes on how to commute?
	🥁 ♥ 10:08pm zzz: evening SS, folks, happy wednesday
	🥁 ♥ 10:09pm chresti: Hi Sam and horse shakers and movers!
	♥ 10:09pm TDK60: Oh, /now/ I see the giant "1st" bigger than a skyscraper.
	♥ 10:11pm Sam Segal: Welcome to Horse Central, zzz and chresti!
	🥁 ♥ 10:11pm WR: Yes, appears they are offering 1st Class commuter bus. What. From 30s swing to Pete Drake country funk? What's going on here?
	🥁 ♥ 10:11pm zzz: fun track, wouldnt be out of place on the excellent “country funk” comps on light in the attic
	♥ 10:13pm Sam Segal: You didn't take "Intro to Commuting," TDK? How have you managed to get yourself to work all these years?
	♥ 10:15pm Sam Segal: You'll have to forgive the sharp left turn, WR. Strap in for further dislocations.
	🥁 ♥ 10:15pm zzz: that cover is kind of terrifying firstgeneration.bandcamp.com...
	♥ 10:16pm Sam Segal: Is the implication that the pedal steel guitar drove him crazy? I have heard it is a pretty hard instrument.
	🥁 ♥ 10:16pm northguineahills: here's your autobus commute: 3.bp.blogspot.com...
	♥ 10:17pm Sam Segal: Great photo, NGH. Where is it from?
	10:19pm Dean: A stroll through London today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIx1gPt15NE
	🥁 ♥ 10:19pm northguineahills: no se, pero encontre aqui: radioruidotriangulation.blogspot.com...
	🥁 ♥ 10:21pm WR: oh, wow, should have known that there is a country side of bandcamp (apologies wet willie).
	♥ 10:22pm Sam Segal: Thank you for strolling in, Dean!
	🥁 ♥ 10:22pm northguineahills: @Dean: I wonder if these guys now have a London chapter (seem to be manchester based) : thelrm.org (the loiterers resistance movement)
	10:25pm Dean: I can't say, ngh, but "decode the palimpsest of the streets" grabs me. Sounds like Walter Benjamin's metier.
	🥁 ♥ 10:26pm coelacanth∅: greetings Sam & stablemates
	♥ 10:27pm Sam Segal: Coel! Good to internet see you!
	🥁 ♥ 10:39pm northguineahills: Orchestre Murphy, new to me and digdug!
	10:39pm rw: Hey hey
	♥ 10:40pm Sam Segal: Hello hello, rw!
	♥ 10:41pm Sam Segal: Glad you dug, Orchestre Murphy, NGH. Pulled it off of this compilation of tunes by lead artist Robert Storey.
	🥁 ♥ 10:43pm doctorjazz: Hey Horsemen, joining the Calvary!
	♥ 10:43pm Sam Segal: Hold your fire, Doc!
	🥁 ♥ 10:44pm doctorjazz: Nice sets I missed, tomorrow's office listening.
	🥁 ♥ 10:45pm doctorjazz: Hey Dean, still waiting on my speaker cable, listen thorough 1 speaker, my laptop, or headphones (these days, no way to know when something will be shipped).
	10:49pm Dean: Sorry for the setback, doctorjazz. I hope that cable arrives pronto. I need to think about replacing my speaker cable, if only because what I have is two long spans of them. But I'm a fan of Dunlavy.
	♥ 10:52pm Sam Segal: I think you'll like that Toshiko Akiyoshi & Lew Tabackin Big Band, Doc.
	🥁 ♥ 10:57pm zzz: sounds good!
	🥁 ♥ 10:58pm zzz: chicago flavor
	🥁 ♥ 10:58pm doctorjazz: I'm sure I will-have the Drummerless morning (no live shows until noon), my catch up with archives time. Like this Parallax Ensemble!
	♥ 10:58pm Sam Segal: This is from the soundtrack to a documentary about Chicago post-rock.
	🥁 ♥ 10:59pm zzz: can hear it
	🥁 ♥ 11:00pm northguineahills: ahhh, cool! I was just thinking we needed a post-rock revival, as it didn't get the proper love the first time around.....
	🥁 ♥ 11:00pm doctorjazz: Seeing The Microscopic Septet tomorrow night (with Dave Sewelson). Caught 2 of their sets Sunday, they were great, looking forward to catching their last show for a while.
	11:02pm Dean: If this is "post-rock" then I'm post-Mozart.
	11:03pm Dean: If musicians these days had the slightest imagination they'd opt for post-Telemann.
	🥁 ♥ 11:03pm doctorjazz: Sounds like not-much-improvisation-jazz-influenced-modern-classical-music.
	11:04pm Dean: On the nose, doctorjazz.
	♥ 11:04pm Sam Segal: Hahaha, I don't know if that Parallax Ensemble would be considered post-rock, even though it was co-led by David Grubbs who was/is definitely post-rock in other contexts (Gastr del Sol, for example). But it seemed like Parallax Ensemble leaned more toward the contemporary jazz side than post-rock. Other co-leader of the group was Ken Vandermark.
	♥ 11:04pm Sam Segal: I think the documentary was about post-rock, but the soundtrack wasn't totally post-rock...sort of confusing.
	🥁 ♥ 11:05pm coelacanth∅: hay hay rw
	🥁 ♥ 11:06pm coelacanth∅: hey doctor
	11:06pm rw: Crap. I missed my opportunity for a horse related pun.
	11:06pm rw: I suck.
	♥ 11:07pm Sam Segal: Is it really too late, rw?
	🥁 ♥ 11:07pm coelacanth∅: horse pun opportunities are as abundant as horse shit, don't worry.
	🥁 ♥ 11:07pm doctorjazz: Still getting used to the new work schedule. Used to start late on Thursdays, could sleep late. Now have to get up 6:30 (on the other hand, I used to get home 10-11 PM on Thursdays, have gotten Thursday evening back). Hey Coela! Really like Craig Taborn, been listening a lot to a recent album of his recently.
	11:08pm Dean: I love Vandermark's work, and I suppose I'm not surprised that he fiddled in the "post-rock" area, but I don't quite get the moniker. It smells of The Wire to me, and I am extremely skeptical of anything The Wire has to offer.
	♥ 11:09pm Sam Segal: Have to brag that Craig Taborn hails from my home state of Minnesota.
	♥ 11:09pm Sam Segal: What do you find dubious about The Wire, Dean?
	🥁 ♥ 11:10pm northguineahills: @rw: it's your stable to trot one out, every bit shoes us into a paddock.
	11:10pm Dean: You really want to get me started?
	🥁 ♥ 11:11pm northguineahills: the british grey beard syndrome of the wire petered out by the end of the oughts, imho...
	🥁 ♥ 11:12pm northguineahills: well, my walk through london has concluded.
	♥ 11:12pm Sam Segal: Hahaha, I kind of do, Dean, but it is up to you.
	11:16pm rw: All this pressure to come up with a pun is making me un-STABLE!
	11:16pm rw: Whew. Did it.
	♥ 11:17pm Sam Segal: Neighs in delight at rw's pun
	🥁 ♥ 11:18pm northguineahills: whickers in approval
	🥁 ♥ 11:18pm doctorjazz: rw-if the horseshoe fits...
	11:22pm Dean: I'll abbreviate. First, it's mostly bullshit opinionating. I have no reason to trust any of the commentators. Second, the writing is dreadfully bad. Ben Watson is a great example: unbearably overwrought blathering of no real import. Third, there is no sense of rigorous selection. They just write about anything and choose to promote it. Wire Tapper is a great example. So much of it is ridiculously pointless. Fourth, their heroes simply aren't interesting. Cat Power? Bonnie "Prince" Billy? Tortoise? The Sea and Cake? These artists can't survive without independent promotion. (I'd argue Can, too, is pointless, but they do survive.)
	11:22pm rw: Not to change the subject, but we did some photos at the Skirball Museum in LA the other day. Evidently there's a new holiday called Tzedek?
	11:24pm Dean: Short story shorter: Wire is cult-like.
	🥁 ♥ 11:25pm coelacanth∅: rw that's a whinny uh i mean a winner
	11:26pm Dean: Saw Uri Caine at the Skirball in LA with Don Byron and, I think, Jim Black.
	11:26pm rw: Or maybe I was given some misinformation or misunderstood... I'm not seeing anything on the interweb. Thank you coelacanth. You're too kind.
	11:27pm rw: Dean, we were saying they should get Zorn.
	11:28pm Dean: Well, sure, a great venue for him. I'd be surprised to learn that he hasn't already appeared there. I saw Caine, whew, more than 20 years ago?
	🥁 ♥ 11:30pm coelacanth∅: Sam, was "zest" your bed music?
	🥁 ♥ 11:31pm doctorjazz: That's a great band, Dean, Caine, Byron, Black, seen them in many configurations. Zorn is doing another matinee at the Village Vanguard with his New Masada, but I'll be away that Sunday. OK, gonna try for some beauty sleep, thanks Sam, laters all!
	11:32pm Dean: Was Greg Cohen playing bass? Man, what an ensemble!
	♥ 11:32pm Sam Segal: My bed music was "Modern Times" by Midas Touch from the library music album "Melting Pot."
	♥ 11:33pm Sam Segal: Sleep beautifully, Doc!
	🥁 ♥ 11:34pm northguineahills: imma following doc, cheers and nights!
	♥ 11:35pm Sam Segal: God speed and goodnight, NGH!
	♥ 11:36pm Sam Segal: Dean, I love your hatred of Tortoise and The Sea and Cake. I feel like it comes up often on here because I play a lot of bands from that general scene, including them. I genuinely appreciate your passionate disdain!
	🥁 ♥ 11:37pm coelacanth∅: g'night doc g'night ngh
	🥁 ♥ 11:41pm Ike: Been listening and enjoying. And BTW, I posted a lot of passionate disdain in the early days of the comments board! Maybe I should bring that back! ...or not.
	11:44pm Dean: I have a strong anti-Chicago bias in many respects. On a recent trip, not too many years ago, the city brought me to tears. It is among the most boring cities I've ever visited. Likewise, the music bores me these days. Not counting Vandermark, whom I adore, I can't fathom what musicians like Sam Prekop have to offer me. Their work exudes nonchalance and apathy.
	♥ 11:44pm Sam Segal: Your disdain is always welcome here, Ike!
	♥ 11:50pm Franco Twinkie: My distain for Chicago only extends as far as the band.
	🥁 ♥ 11:50pm WR: Whoa, very active comments. Will be reading and digging on it while listening to the stream.
	🥁 ♥ 11:50pm Ike: Well, if you want disdain, you'll have to play something that's actually bad! Got any Eagles-related projects or shitty Dead bootlegs?
	11:51pm Dean: Those first four albums, Franco...not bad. Not bad at all.
	♥ 11:52pm Sam Segal: Shitty Dead bootlegs aren't out of the question, Ike. I won't treat this as a formal request though.
	♥ 11:52pm Sam Segal: Hahaha, good one, Franco.
	11:52pm Dean: New set of Dead shows at MSG due out soon, 17CDs. Probably gonna go for it.
	♥ 11:54pm Franco Twinkie: I was thinking of the dweebs in high school who liked them to the exclusion of every other type of music - kind of like the most fanatical Deadheads, hmm.
	11:55pm rw: 25, or 624?
	♥ 11:56pm Franco Twinkie: That was good!
	🥁 ♥ 11:56pm Ike: I occasionally used to roast Jeff Conklin for playing terrible Dead boots and he did not appreciate it and was not a good sport, LOL.
	♥ 11:57pm Franco Twinkie: Actually, I really liked Saturday in the Park too.
	11:57pm Dean: Tethered Moon, a lovely trio.
	♥ 11:58pm Franco Twinkie: It's Jeffs lack of humor that got him in the end, I'm afraid.
	11:58pm rw: Ha! Ike, JC was NOT a good sport.
	🥁 ♥ 11:59pm coelacanth∅: Ike i permanently banned myself from Jeff's comments boards!
	11:59pm rw: Franco, it's too bad. I kind of liked the guy. And even though the Dead thing isn't MY thing, I appreciated it.
	♥ 11:59pm Franco Twinkie: That been said, I liked Jeff's show quite a lot.
	🥁 ♥ 12:00am Ike: Almost every single non-Dead thing he played was fantastic! I was surprised he didn't ban me -- though he threatened to.
	🥁 ♥ 12:01am coelacanth∅: ...though i thought his show was a good addition to wfmu's programming, and included that opinion in a rant after the schedule change...which of course Ken didn't appreciate
	12:01am rw: Sam, on the other hand... WAY good sport.
	🥁 ♥ 12:01am zzz: thanks SS, goodnight all
	♥ 12:01am Franco Twinkie: Many fans of The Dead are blind to their glaring faults. But regardless, I still love them.
	🥁 ♥ 12:02am coelacanth∅: i'll add my worthless opinion here too that i like early chicago
	12:03am Dean: The ambiguities, Franco, in your proclamation, are delightful.
	🥁 ♥ 12:03am coelacanth∅: ...and was profoundly unimpressed with the city of chicago
	🥁 ♥ 12:04am coelacanth∅: Thanks Sam!
	♥ 12:04am Franco Twinkie: I cringed when Jeff started with that Coel. I knew he was shooting himself though the heart.
	12:04am rw: Thank you Sam!!! Good night all.
	🥁 ♥ 12:04am WR: Thank you ! Sam! and all y'all opinionators.
	🥁 ♥ 12:04am chresti: One Tortoise related cd I'd play as background music was by the drummer-all drum beats, rolls, etc.
	🥁 ♥ 12:04am Ike: Thanks Sam!
	🥁 ♥ 12:05am coelacanth∅: Franco i concur
	🥁 ♥ 12:05am chresti: Thanks Sam!
	♥ 12:05am Sam Segal: rw, thank you for appreciating my sporting attitude!
	🥁 ♥ 12:05am WR: Dean, I concur.
	🥁 ♥ 12:05am coelacanth∅: oh man i LOVE this Baaba Maal-Mansour Seck track!
	♥ 12:05am Franco Twinkie: Thank you Sam. Is there a late night show all us opinionators can flock to now?
	🥁 ♥ 12:06am coelacanth∅: i don't do $¢
	12:06am rw: I think there's a fill-in on the regular station...
	🥁 ♥ 12:06am coelacanth∅: ...too many juvenile sound effects for my taste
	🥁 ♥ 12:08am WR: same @12:06am @coelacanth∅:
	🥁 ♥ 12:08am WR: Ok, shower & sleep for me. laters
	12:09am rw: Nope. Sound effects as usual...
	🥁 ♥ 12:10am coelacanth∅: right, maybe i'll listen to owlbot for a spell

If You Lose Your Horse with Sam Segal: Playlist from July 20, 2022

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