WFMU: Strength Through Failure with Fabio: Playlist from September 6, 2012

Listener comments!
	3:12pm nyoukis: love it. I-ching-a-ling!!!
	3:13pm dc p@: who is this Jihn Cage I keep hearing about?
	3:14pm DCE: I could use a gin cage about now.
	3:14pm nic: yay john cage_awesome
	3:14pm Heisenberg: It's indeterminate
	3:15pm hubba: if there's a hell below... we're all going to go... Hey Fabio!
	3:15pm DCE: a gin cave might even be better.
	3:15pm J.C.: Who is Jihn Cage? Japanese interpreter perhaps.
	3:17pm northguineahills: I'm all for the gin cave.
	3:17pm steve: hey all... does anyone know of an anechoic chamber in the US that's open to the public?
	3:19pm dc p@: I think a gin cage would be more direct. I'll take that if no one is using it...
	3:19pm BSI: [wakes up suddenly] alcoholic chamber? whut?
	3:21pm Cheri Pi: BOOZE. I want it now.
	3:21pm dc p@: I guess you could take a motorcycle helmet, put it on, fill it with gin from a special valve in the top, have straws going up your nose leading out of 2 holes cut in the face mask....that might work.
	3:23pm hubba: "Come on folks, we're going a trip..."
	3:24pm Parq: John Cage is the Hilary Clinton of music; just the name is enough to send the field's reactionaries into a rage.
	3:24pm DCE: inventive group of people, y'all are...
	3:24pm Cheri Pi: I want a soundless chamber like John Cage, filled with booze.
	3:27pm dc p@: what ever happened to vodka bags anyway?
	3:30pm Cheri Pi: the high tones are the vodka, the low tones are your nervous system.
	3:31pm stefica: I finally saw the John Cage installation One11 and 103 on the High Line last week. I bitterly regret that I didn't spend the whole summer there. http://thehighline.org/about/public-art/cage
	3:31pm DCE: soooo sleeeepy
	3:32pm hubba: After I had been studying with him for two years, Schoenberg said, "In order to write music, you must have a feeling for harmony." I explained to him that I had no feeling for harmony. He then said that I would always encounter an obstacle, that it would be as though I came to a wall through which I could not pass. I said, "In that case I will devote my life to beating my head against that wall."
	3:32pm DCE: the office being about 84 deg is not helping
	3:32pm dc p@: low tones are your blood being replaced by vodka...
	3:33pm dc p@: jeeze my office is like 52 degrees (F).
	3:34pm Cheri Pi: I have my heater on in my office, it's 88 degrees outside.
	3:34pm hubba: "When I hear what we call music, it seems to me that someone is talking. And talking about his feelings, or about his ideas of relationships. But when I hear traffic, the sound of traffic—here on Sixth Avenue, for instance—I don't have the feeling that anyone is talking. I have the feeling that sound is acting. And I love the activity of sound [...] I don't need sound to talk to me."
	3:34pm northguineahills: Is dc p@ real?
	3:35pm DCE: is anything real??
	3:36pm DCE: existential moment of the day...
	3:36pm 100% real dc pat: ^ everything ok now?
	3:37pm Factory Oven: Just read this good LA Times story about his early years: http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/arts/culture/la-et-cm-john-cage,0,3501401.htmlstory It lead to a video of JC talking about silence, in which the passage quoted by hubba appeared. I love Cage's public persona and his music, but in the video he surprisingly and needlessly demeaned Beethoven and Mozart, claiming they sound "the same" where traffic is always different. This is dubious, I think.
	3:39pm 100% real dc pat: Factory: well he's right--traffic IS always different because it's always improvised whereas Mozart and Beethoven aren't. Doesn't necessarily mean they suck--I like them. But I think he has a point.
	3:44pm hubba: we could tlak about iterations of Mozart and Beethoven, making them more indeterminate, reproductions of a base production... or, we could say that traffic is determinate, while sounds may seem indeterminate, there is a base structure that guids what type of sounds are available, time of day, given infrastructure, etc... you're not likely to hear a jet take off, a fire truck roar, and an ice cream man coming down the street form the same place/range... if you are, then i think you're in a Jerry Bruckheimer film.
	3:46pm Factory Oven: 1RDCP: Yeah, in a simplistic way. I mean, Cage scripted his pieces, too. And LVB and WAM worked within conventions of appropriate levels of improvisation. Besides, surely Cage heard the massive differences among even recorded performances of, say, a Beethoven sonata!
	3:52pm aeiou: John had an extra vowel hangin'!
	3:54pm northguineahills: I have two different LPs of different performances of Variations IV ( recorded the same night at Feigen-Palmer Gallery in LA), one found in a junk store in Bed-Stuy for 50 cents.
	3:55pm nic: so great so great to hear all of this_really wonderful
	4:00pm hubba: While his position is argueable, I'd have to say his rhetoric is refreshing and deserving of further discussion. I think his ability to articulate ideas is all you could generate linguistically when trying to conceptualize dynamics of sound, the position of the composer and audience, and the plausible dialogue one could even engage in. Basically, how does Jerry Bruckheimer feel about John Cage?
	4:01pm hubba: John Cage, the structural functionalist...
	4:02pm Carmichael: Hubba, you're in deep mode today. Cousteau-like deep ...
	4:03pm hubba: zing!
	4:03pm 100% real dc pat: I guess we're talking about differences in scale with Beethoven performances being on one end and the sound of a thunderstorm maybe being on the other...and Cage being somewhere in the middle. All's I'm saying is that none of it really matters without vodka bags...
	4:06pm Parq: Bruckheimer on Cage: "Isn't he the guy who claims he wrote a symphony or something with nothing but silence? Hah! What a goniff! I love a guy who can pull off a con like that!"
	4:06pm 100% real dc pat: I have to go ride a bike now so if you'll excuse me....thanks for the conversation, thanks for the tunes Fab.
	4:07pm Factory Oven: Johann Sebastian Vodka Bags, the greatest scale difference maker ever.
	4:15pm Mike East: just got a call for a rental of a harp and piano for John Cage's Variations IV which will be performed at Lincoln Center next month
	4:17pm Mike East: specifically- David Rubenstein Atrium
	4:17pm Carmichael: This set is being accentuated by practice flyovers from the Air Force Thunderbirds. Big air show this weekend at the former Mather AFB, where I am ensconsed. Kinda dots the "i" on this whole show ...
	4:22pm Parq: Carm, sounds brilliant in both the US and UK/IR senses of the word. I am enjoying the music and comments way too much, given my workload.
	4:23pm khd: I've been away for a few years without an internet connection and what's the first thing i hear when I tune back in to WFMU? A 3 hour John Cage tribute. I could've guessed...
	4:27pm Carmichael: Clay will probably find some Top 40 Cage cover songs.
	4:27pm blee: What's your name?
	4:28pm nic: yeah what an awesome gift_i wish he was still here 2
	4:30pm northguineahills: This set is making me so happy :)
	4:47pm po: john cage would have been 100 today ,,, i have it on good authority the DNC was going to use his music for the entire convention non stop til they found out he was a card carrying rototarian
	5:09pm scottm: This show is amazing.
	5:11pm Factory Oven: Yes, it is.
	5:16pm northguineahills: Man, that bird cage is pretty darn awesome. Never got to hear it before.
	5:34pm steve: i gotta run but this has been a great tribute, thanks Fabio
	5:41pm op: just once ,,, could you not let clay ruin the mood ....
	5:46pm Night Al: While a student at the University of Florida's Music department back in 1982, one of my classes was held in a professors small dark attic office. One day he gave us the assignment of composing a piece that lacked all melody, structure, and meter. It had to be written on sheet music and ready to be performed by anyone who could read music. I found this very hard. I composed my work and asked the bassoonist to perform it in class. The professor said it was way to structured and melodic. I can play music like some of John Cage's works, but catching it on sheet music eludes me.
	5:49pm nic: wow this is all so awesome_what a great show_thanks so much
	5:49pm northguineahills: I took some music classes at the University of Florida, but it was in the mid-late 90s.
	5:50pm northguineahills: (I wasn't a music student), I just took some theory and electro-acoustic casses.
	5:51pm Night Al: I asked that professor if he ever taught anyone that went on th fame. He said the only one I would recognize was probably Benmont Tench of Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers band.
	5:53pm Matt from Springfield: 100th anniversary, as we call it.
	5:54pm Matt from Springfield: Clay is right! It IS Cage! Organ2/ASLSP
	5:54pm Factory Oven: As Slow As Possible: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/As_Slow_as_Possible
	5:55pm northguineahills: My ex-gf lived in the dorm (beatty towers) where the girl who committed suicide inspired Petty's "American Girl".
	5:55pm northguineahills: thanks for the Cage tribute, Fabio!
	5:56pm blee: Really enjoyable show. End of show sparring w Clay is always a real bonus.
	5:57pm Matt from Springfield: NORMAL bias!?!
	5:57pm Night Al: James Taylor just played the DNC stage. 3 tunes. Going to Carolina, You've Got A Friend, and How Sweet It Is. He came out and said, "I know a lot of you got nervous when you saw me walk up to this empty chair, but I'm going to sit on it not talk to it.
	6:14pm op: bye
	10:11am Marmalade Kitty: Great tribute, thanks Fabio!

Strength Through Failure with Fabio: Playlist from September 6, 2012

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The Failure of Noise
The Failure of Sound
The Failure of Rock
The Failure of the Avant Garde
The Failure of the Space Age
The Failure of Jazz
The Failure of Psychedelia
The Failure of Krautrock
The Failure of Electronic
The Failure of Pop
The Failure of Free-form
The Failure of the 20th Century

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September 6, 2012: Failure is Indeterminate: Tribute to John Cage

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Artist	Track	Album
James Last	Mr. Giant Man "Mr. Giant Man" by "James Last"	Voodoo Party
John Cage/David Tudor	Indeterminacy (excerpt)	Indeterminacy
John Cage	Suite for Toy Piano "Suite for Toy Piano" by "John Cage"	Works for piano, Toy Piano & prepared Piano Volume 3
John Cage	Williams Mix (1952) "Williams Mix (1952)" by "John Cage"	The 25-Year Retrospective Concert Of The Music Of John Cage
John Cage/David Tudor	Indeterminacy (excerpt)	Indeterminacy
John Cage	Second Interlude "Second Interlude" by "John Cage"	Sonatas and Interludes for Prepared Piano
John Cage	Sonata 10 "Sonata 10" by "John Cage"	Sonatas and Interludes for Prepared Piano

John Cage/David Tudor	Variations IV Second Movement	Variations IV
John Cage	Second Construction "Second Construction" by "John Cage"	Works for Percussion
John Cage/David Tudor	Indeterminacy (excerpt)	Indeterminacy
John Cage/David Tudor	Variations IV third Movement	Variations IV

John Cage/David Tudor	Cartridge Music	John Cage / Christian Wolf
John Cage/David Tudor	Rainforest II/Mureau (excerpt)	Rainforest II/Mureau
John Cage/David Tudor	Indeterminacy (excerpt)	Indeterminacy

John Cage	Variations II with Lecture on Nothing (excerpt)	Variations I - III
John Cage	Bacchanale "Bacchanale" by "John Cage"	Complete Short Works for Prepared Piano
John Cage	Bird Cage part 1 "Bird Cage part 1" by "John Cage"	Bird Cage
John Cage/David Tudor	Indeterminacy (excerpt)	Indeterminacy

John Cage	Diary: How to improve the World (You will only make Matters worse)	Diary: How to improve the World (You will only make Matters worse)
John Cage	A Room (for Piano) "A Room (for Piano)" by "John Cage"	John Cage
John Cage	Song Books I-II + Empty Words III [1st part]	Sonata XIII/Music for Marcel Duchamp/Song Book I-III/Empty Words III
John Cage	First Construction [In Metal]	Works for Percussion
John Cage	Music for Two (excerpt)	Variations II
John Cage/David Tudor	Indeterminacy (excerpt)	Indeterminacy

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Listener comments!
	3:12pm nyoukis: love it. I-ching-a-ling!!!
	3:13pm dc p@: who is this Jihn Cage I keep hearing about?
	3:14pm DCE: I could use a gin cage about now.
	3:14pm nic: yay john cage_awesome
	3:14pm Heisenberg: It's indeterminate
	3:15pm hubba: if there's a hell below... we're all going to go... Hey Fabio!
	3:15pm DCE: a gin cave might even be better.
	3:15pm J.C.: Who is Jihn Cage? Japanese interpreter perhaps.
	3:17pm northguineahills: I'm all for the gin cave.
	3:17pm steve: hey all... does anyone know of an anechoic chamber in the US that's open to the public?
	3:19pm dc p@: I think a gin cage would be more direct. I'll take that if no one is using it...
	3:19pm BSI: [wakes up suddenly] alcoholic chamber? whut?
	3:21pm Cheri Pi: BOOZE. I want it now.
	3:21pm dc p@: I guess you could take a motorcycle helmet, put it on, fill it with gin from a special valve in the top, have straws going up your nose leading out of 2 holes cut in the face mask....that might work.
	3:23pm hubba: "Come on folks, we're going a trip..."
	3:24pm Parq: John Cage is the Hilary Clinton of music; just the name is enough to send the field's reactionaries into a rage.
	3:24pm DCE: inventive group of people, y'all are...
	3:24pm Cheri Pi: I want a soundless chamber like John Cage, filled with booze.
	3:27pm dc p@: what ever happened to vodka bags anyway?
	3:30pm Cheri Pi: the high tones are the vodka, the low tones are your nervous system.
	3:31pm stefica: I finally saw the John Cage installation One11 and 103 on the High Line last week. I bitterly regret that I didn't spend the whole summer there. http://thehighline.org/about/public-art/cage
	3:31pm DCE: soooo sleeeepy
	3:32pm hubba: After I had been studying with him for two years, Schoenberg said, "In order to write music, you must have a feeling for harmony." I explained to him that I had no feeling for harmony. He then said that I would always encounter an obstacle, that it would be as though I came to a wall through which I could not pass. I said, "In that case I will devote my life to beating my head against that wall."
	3:32pm DCE: the office being about 84 deg is not helping
	3:32pm dc p@: low tones are your blood being replaced by vodka...
	3:33pm dc p@: jeeze my office is like 52 degrees (F).
	3:34pm Cheri Pi: I have my heater on in my office, it's 88 degrees outside.
	3:34pm hubba: "When I hear what we call music, it seems to me that someone is talking. And talking about his feelings, or about his ideas of relationships. But when I hear traffic, the sound of traffic—here on Sixth Avenue, for instance—I don't have the feeling that anyone is talking. I have the feeling that sound is acting. And I love the activity of sound [...] I don't need sound to talk to me."
	3:34pm northguineahills: Is dc p@ real?
	3:35pm DCE: is anything real??
	3:36pm DCE: existential moment of the day...
	3:36pm 100% real dc pat: ^ everything ok now?
	3:37pm Factory Oven: Just read this good LA Times story about his early years: http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/arts/culture/la-et-cm-john-cage,0,3501401.htmlstory It lead to a video of JC talking about silence, in which the passage quoted by hubba appeared. I love Cage's public persona and his music, but in the video he surprisingly and needlessly demeaned Beethoven and Mozart, claiming they sound "the same" where traffic is always different. This is dubious, I think.
	3:39pm 100% real dc pat: Factory: well he's right--traffic IS always different because it's always improvised whereas Mozart and Beethoven aren't. Doesn't necessarily mean they suck--I like them. But I think he has a point.
	3:44pm hubba: we could tlak about iterations of Mozart and Beethoven, making them more indeterminate, reproductions of a base production... or, we could say that traffic is determinate, while sounds may seem indeterminate, there is a base structure that guids what type of sounds are available, time of day, given infrastructure, etc... you're not likely to hear a jet take off, a fire truck roar, and an ice cream man coming down the street form the same place/range... if you are, then i think you're in a Jerry Bruckheimer film.
	3:46pm Factory Oven: 1RDCP: Yeah, in a simplistic way. I mean, Cage scripted his pieces, too. And LVB and WAM worked within conventions of appropriate levels of improvisation. Besides, surely Cage heard the massive differences among even recorded performances of, say, a Beethoven sonata!
	3:52pm aeiou: John had an extra vowel hangin'!
	3:54pm northguineahills: I have two different LPs of different performances of Variations IV ( recorded the same night at Feigen-Palmer Gallery in LA), one found in a junk store in Bed-Stuy for 50 cents.
	3:55pm nic: so great so great to hear all of this_really wonderful
	4:00pm hubba: While his position is argueable, I'd have to say his rhetoric is refreshing and deserving of further discussion. I think his ability to articulate ideas is all you could generate linguistically when trying to conceptualize dynamics of sound, the position of the composer and audience, and the plausible dialogue one could even engage in. Basically, how does Jerry Bruckheimer feel about John Cage?
	4:01pm hubba: John Cage, the structural functionalist...
	4:02pm Carmichael: Hubba, you're in deep mode today. Cousteau-like deep ...
	4:03pm hubba: zing!
	4:03pm 100% real dc pat: I guess we're talking about differences in scale with Beethoven performances being on one end and the sound of a thunderstorm maybe being on the other...and Cage being somewhere in the middle. All's I'm saying is that none of it really matters without vodka bags...
	4:06pm Parq: Bruckheimer on Cage: "Isn't he the guy who claims he wrote a symphony or something with nothing but silence? Hah! What a goniff! I love a guy who can pull off a con like that!"
	4:06pm 100% real dc pat: I have to go ride a bike now so if you'll excuse me....thanks for the conversation, thanks for the tunes Fab.
	4:07pm Factory Oven: Johann Sebastian Vodka Bags, the greatest scale difference maker ever.
	4:15pm Mike East: just got a call for a rental of a harp and piano for John Cage's Variations IV which will be performed at Lincoln Center next month
	4:17pm Mike East: specifically- David Rubenstein Atrium
	4:17pm Carmichael: This set is being accentuated by practice flyovers from the Air Force Thunderbirds. Big air show this weekend at the former Mather AFB, where I am ensconsed. Kinda dots the "i" on this whole show ...
	4:22pm Parq: Carm, sounds brilliant in both the US and UK/IR senses of the word. I am enjoying the music and comments way too much, given my workload.
	4:23pm khd: I've been away for a few years without an internet connection and what's the first thing i hear when I tune back in to WFMU? A 3 hour John Cage tribute. I could've guessed...
	4:27pm Carmichael: Clay will probably find some Top 40 Cage cover songs.
	4:27pm blee: What's your name?
	4:28pm nic: yeah what an awesome gift_i wish he was still here 2
	4:30pm northguineahills: This set is making me so happy :)
	4:47pm po: john cage would have been 100 today ,,, i have it on good authority the DNC was going to use his music for the entire convention non stop til they found out he was a card carrying rototarian
	5:09pm scottm: This show is amazing.
	5:11pm Factory Oven: Yes, it is.
	5:16pm northguineahills: Man, that bird cage is pretty darn awesome. Never got to hear it before.
	5:34pm steve: i gotta run but this has been a great tribute, thanks Fabio
	5:41pm op: just once ,,, could you not let clay ruin the mood ....
	5:46pm Night Al: While a student at the University of Florida's Music department back in 1982, one of my classes was held in a professors small dark attic office. One day he gave us the assignment of composing a piece that lacked all melody, structure, and meter. It had to be written on sheet music and ready to be performed by anyone who could read music. I found this very hard. I composed my work and asked the bassoonist to perform it in class. The professor said it was way to structured and melodic. I can play music like some of John Cage's works, but catching it on sheet music eludes me.
	5:49pm nic: wow this is all so awesome_what a great show_thanks so much
	5:49pm northguineahills: I took some music classes at the University of Florida, but it was in the mid-late 90s.
	5:50pm northguineahills: (I wasn't a music student), I just took some theory and electro-acoustic casses.
	5:51pm Night Al: I asked that professor if he ever taught anyone that went on th fame. He said the only one I would recognize was probably Benmont Tench of Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers band.
	5:53pm Matt from Springfield: 100th anniversary, as we call it.
	5:54pm Matt from Springfield: Clay is right! It IS Cage! Organ2/ASLSP
	5:54pm Factory Oven: As Slow As Possible: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/As_Slow_as_Possible
	5:55pm northguineahills: My ex-gf lived in the dorm (beatty towers) where the girl who committed suicide inspired Petty's "American Girl".
	5:55pm northguineahills: thanks for the Cage tribute, Fabio!
	5:56pm blee: Really enjoyable show. End of show sparring w Clay is always a real bonus.
	5:57pm Matt from Springfield: NORMAL bias!?!
	5:57pm Night Al: James Taylor just played the DNC stage. 3 tunes. Going to Carolina, You've Got A Friend, and How Sweet It Is. He came out and said, "I know a lot of you got nervous when you saw me walk up to this empty chair, but I'm going to sit on it not talk to it.
	6:14pm op: bye
	10:11am Marmalade Kitty: Great tribute, thanks Fabio!

Strength Through Failure with Fabio: Playlist from September 6, 2012

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