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Listener comments!
	♥ 8:42am annie: nice!!!
	♥ 8:45am annie: 15 more minutes of the morning set on OZ, then switch the turner to fmu.. is there nothing more wonderful than music??
	♥ 8:46am Jeff Golick: Not that I've found, @annie... though friendship is also pretty good.
	♥ 8:52am annie: ... oh, yes... that, too. i missed out on that through my life, a spot of it here and there, blessedly, but rare..
	♥ 8:53am annie: i guess music has always been the constant in my life..
	♥ 8:57am Jeff Golick: Yes, music is incredibly reliable that way.
	🦀 ♥ 8:59am duke: Hi annie, Jeff, and other D:Oers
	♥ 9:00am Jeff Golick: Welcome, @duke!
	🦀 ♥ 9:08am listener james from westwood: Morning, Jeff and all!!
	🦀 ♥ 9:09am fred: Good morning Jeff and all
	🦀 ♥ 9:09am listener james from westwood: Couple of folks on my Twitter feed were discussing how music does absolutely nothing for them, with no evidence that this was any sort of psychobiological condition, and I was like, whaaaaaat?
	🦀 ♥ 9:10am listener james from westwood: If I didn't work, drive, read, etc with music on in the background I'd curl into a ball.
	♥ 9:10am Jeff Golick: Hi and welcome, @listener james and @fred!
	♥ 9:14am Jeff Golick: I've heard of such people, @ljfw, but haven't come across many in the wild.
	♥ 9:17am annie: i had a bf who could not tolerate music.... what was i thinking?????
	🦀 ♥ 9:21am fred: @annie: I guess (hope?) this didn't last
	♥ 9:29am annie: oh, yes, it fizzled fast...
	♥ 9:31am Jeff Golick: A couple of good recent pieces on Muhal, if you're interested -- Taylor Ho Bynum on MRA in the NYer: www.newyorker.com... The NY Times obit, by Howard Mandel: www.nytimes.com...
	♥ 9:31am annie: turning the comments off, my browser can only handle one function at a time.."on"
	♥ 9:33am Jeff Golick: Sounds like my brain, @annie.
	🦀 ♥ 9:39am Uncle Michael: Sorry I'm late.
	♥ 9:40am Jeff Golick: S'ok - you only missed one song!
	♥ 9:41am Jeff Golick: (Muhal, btw, is not playing on this Nino Rota; he arranged and conducted.)
	♥ 9:43am Jeff Golick: @fred!! Mon dieu! THANK YOU so much for that tremendous pledge!!!
	♥ 9:44am Jeff Golick: (That's how this show's % went from twenty-something to forty-four!)
	🦀 ♥ 9:50am fred: Maybe some will join me and push you over the 50% bar. The station doesn't need much more, but it does need it
	♥ 9:54am Jeff Golick: An excellent suggestion, @fred. The station's goal is now just under $11,000 away. Every little bit really does help get us there.
	🦀 ♥ 10:06am Uncle Michael: I had never heard of Abrams prior to his death.
	♥ 10:07am Jeff Golick: Then you have come to the right place, my friend.
	10:09am Andy S.: Really enjoying this much-deserved audio tribute to MRA. I posted the Playlist link to my Facebook and the NY Times in a comment.
	♥ 10:10am Jeff Golick: Thanks so much, @Andy, and welcome!
	🦀 ♥ 10:13am listener james from westwood: Braxtonnnnn!!
	♥ 10:15am Jeff Golick: Even though the AACM credo was for original music, this never meant an abandonment of the past. Clearly.
	10:17am Dean: Yesterday the local college station played three Neil Young tunes in a row. At the back-announce, the DJ reported that a listener had called concerned that NY had died. Nope. She was responding to something she had read about NY's Bridge School support. Original versus revival: What's New in the Tradition, no?
	♥ 10:19am Jeff Golick: Yah. Welcome and helloooo, @Dean.
	🦀 ♥ 10:24am Brian in UK: Afternoon, morning, whenever. Jeff and cohorts in cahoots. Just reading a book about the American architect Louis Kahn. In the Fifties he came to the realisation of seeing things 'from the begining'. Sounds obvious but very rarely happens. You have to be very skilled to be able to step back and strip away previous knowledge to refresh and start again. This can apply to music but rarely does. I am imagining John Coltrane to be an example. Frank Lloyd Wright in architecture.
	♥ 10:25am Jeff Golick: Well, hello, @Brian in UK. Seeing things from the beginning sounds like a lot of work.
	🦀 ♥ 10:31am holland oats: yo d:o!
	♥ 10:31am Jeff Golick: What is upwards, @holland oats?!
	🦀 ♥ 10:31am fred: My plea didn't move the needle at all. I suck at fundraising
	🦀 ♥ 10:31am Brian in UK: Well I think it is to be questioning the very precepts of what it is we are trying to achieve. I knew I should have gone for a ride on the motorcycle this morning. Mind you that would have started the Persig bug asking what is Quality.
	♥ 10:33am Jeff Golick: @fred: well you're better than me. Plus, one never knows when one has had an impact...
	🦀 ♥ 10:34am Brian in UK: fred, do not be so hard on yourself.
	10:36am Dean: Two or three years ago I had to attend a meeting at UC San Diego. The conference room took in a view of the coast and Kahn's Salk Institute. Maybe it expressed some nature of beginnings, but it certainly was impressive. It's too bad we aren't more routinely exposed to architectural history, which has much to offer about aesthetics, engineering, project management, social arrangements...the gamut, pretty much. Was finally disposed yesterday to listen to Havergal Brian's massive first symphony, the second half of which is a tribute to High Gothic cathedrals.
	🦀 ♥ 10:40am Brian in UK: Dean, you have been to the Salk. It looks wonderful. Imagine the sun going down there. Havergill Brian was born in Harrow where I grew up. His music was sponsored by Phil Lesh, I believe
	🦀 ♥ 10:43am fred: 45%! Whoever did this, thank you
	10:44am Dean: Not exactly "to" the Salk, but "by" (as I walked from hotel to meeting) and "above" (from meeting room). That's great to learn about Lesh! I first heard of Brian from Paul Rapaport's review in a late 1990 issue of Fanfare, in which Rapaport wrote, "[T]his recording is one of the most important in the entire history of recorded sound." Er, well, okay. Rapaport admits his view is hardly objective, inasmuch as he had a hand in assuring the recording would emerge.
	♥ 10:44am Jeff Golick: That would be listener Brian in the UK! THANKS SO MUCH, @Brian!
	10:46am Dean: Yep, George Lewis.
	10:46am Dean: Correction: Rapoport.
	🦀 ♥ 10:48am Brian in UK: Dean, just to make sure the memory has not totally messed up. articles.latimes.com... I thought it should be Brian Havergill!!
	🦀 ♥ 10:48am listener james from westwood: Whoo! Just finished getting chili going in the slow cooker. That D:O and Abrams were on in the background will guarantee this to be a delectable batch.
	🦀 ♥ 10:49am Brian in UK: Is there a proof editor in the house?
	🦀 ♥ 10:50am Brian in UK: @james stew today here, it is one of those kind of days.
	♥ 10:51am Jeff Golick: Hungry.
	10:54am Dean: @ljfw: Slow cooker chili was yesterday's dinner here! Used andouille sausage and one hella hot jalapeno. @Brian in UK: That LAT article is gold! Goes to show what a treasure the Dead were, or at least Lesh. It's the Marco Polo record I played yesterday. I don't recall seeing a reference to the foundation in the notes. Will check again.
	🦀 ♥ 10:55am Brian in UK: Dean, love the idea of Lesh listening to a classical bootleg after all those that have stalked the Dead.
	10:55am Dean: The LAT article indicates Brian wrote ~20 symphonies. I think it's closer to 32. The guy lived a long time, and was very prolific.
	🦀 ♥ 10:56am holland oats: today's bodega cats twitter.com...
	🦀 ♥ 10:58am Brian in UK: @holland oats my excuse for any typos is that one of the cats is walking all over the keyboard, keening for tea, bit early yet.
	♥ 10:58am Jeff Golick: Perfect.
	🦀 ♥ 10:58am listener james from westwood: @Brian in UK: Stew and the shorter days go together so well. @Dean: A friend of mine around here uses andouille in his; I've not had the pleasure of trying it yet. Mine is turkey chili with three jalapeños, an onion, and black & kidney beans. Will keep me warm after morning frost becomes more rule than exception.
	🦀 ♥ 10:59am listener james from westwood: @holland: That @Bodegacats_ account is a blessing.
	11:00am Dean: @ljfw: I usually use turkey, but had ground beef in the 'fridge. Onion, celery, orange bell pepper, garlic, kidney beans, diced tomatoes, tomato sauce, apple juice, and the last of a carton of chicken broth. A bit of brewed coffee, too. Sometimes I add an ounce or so of dark chocolate.
	🦀 ♥ 11:01am Brian in UK: Now if you were talking andouillette, not many peoples choice. Not seen over here in the wild.
	🦀 ♥ 11:02am Brian in UK: Started making chili with beef pieces not mince and the coffee/chocolate routine. Bluddy rich.
	11:04am Dean: Had to look up "andouillette." Found it at a blog called Things That Stink.
	♥ 11:05am Jeff Golick: Only an hour left and I wanted to close with another 30-min solo piece. Not sure how to bring this one in safely...
	🦀 ♥ 11:06am Brian in UK: Dean only the French or Chinese.
	11:09am Dean: I imagine if there were a restaurant in town called Andouillette a not insignificant portion of the population, myself included, would figure it was a cute diminutive reference to New Orleans.
	🦀 ♥ 11:09am listener james from westwood: In my case, big can of unseasoned tomato sauce, 2 cloves garlic, 1 med onion, 1 bottle of beer, the turkey and beans, the peppers, and spices. Different friend of mine will do the chocolate thing in the form of cocoa powder.
	🦀 ♥ 11:09am listener james from westwood: May make cornbread later or tomorrow, too. Gonna be good eatin' up in here.
	11:10am Dean: Or substitute molasses for chocolate/cocoa.
	🦀 ♥ 11:13am Brian in UK: Dean, thinking of going to Ely Cathedral in the week. The Octagon is a thing of wonder, how does it stay up. Pendentives are the answer I am discovering from my childish reading of the subject. www.elycathedral.org...
	🦀 ♥ 11:17am Brian in UK: Jeff, he seems to covers many bases, all equally well.
	♥ 11:17am Jeff Golick: They really knew how to build 'em, @Brian.
	♥ 11:18am Jeff Golick: (Churches, I mean.) But, yes, he covered a lot of ground!
	♥ 11:18am Jeff Golick: There's a string quartet I'm not going to be able to get to today...
	11:18am Scraps deSelby, Moldy Fig: I can’t listen this morning, to my dismay. I will listen as soon as I can. Cheers.
	♥ 11:19am Jeff Golick: Hey, moldy @Scraps! Thanks for checking in - and hope you enjoy.
	🦀 ♥ 11:22am Brian in UK: This might give you some idea of scale. www.greenshoots.co.uk...
	♥ 11:23am Jeff Golick: Inspiring.
	11:32am Dean: Oh, man, @Brian in UK, that'd be nice. Long ago I tried to take in a few High Gothic wonders: Chartres, Reims, Notre Dame. I attended a concert in Paris at Sainte-Chapelle. At one time I was poised to go to architecture school, even admitted at a school, until I realized I am no artist, and that what really interests me is the history. For Gothic cathedrals you could do worse than start with Hans Jantzen's High Gothic.
	🦀 ♥ 11:32am Uncle Michael: Most amazing housework music ever.
	11:34am Dean: ISWYDT, @Jeff G. The housework or the music, @UM?
	🦀 ♥ 11:36am Uncle Michael: Hard to compare the Steinway to the Swiffer...but I'm going with the piano.
	♥ 11:37am Jeff Golick: If someone's house is cleaner at the end of this show, then I'll feel good about what we accomplished here.
	11:37am Dean: Dustin'!
	11:38am Dean: But then you'd have every reason to be equally proud if someone's house were messier, too.
	♥ 11:39am David D: Hello Jeff - tuned in and present!
	♥ 11:40am Jeff Golick: Mr. DD! Hi hi hi!
	♥ 11:40am Jeff Golick: Ha I guess that's true, too, @Dean.
	🦀 ♥ 11:42am fred: Still, this show's at 45% of its goal. Let's have a late rally to get to 50%
	🦀 ♥ 11:42am Brian in UK: Dean, I am of a simliar kidney. Just now started to persue more interest in the subject.
	11:43am Dean: I'd call it Lifeline ABC.
	11:46am Doug Schulkind: Muhal Eternal. All hail D:O Radio.
	🦀 ♥ 11:46am Brian in UK: Dean, I like all sorts from ziggerats onwards (pyramids who) it is not just how they were designed but built.
	🦀 ♥ 11:47am listener james from westwood: I was intro'd by a longtime listener to WFMU. By the following Marathon I was donating. Converts are always welcome!
	🦀 ♥ 11:48am Brian in UK: Watch out, the boss is here.
	♥ 11:48am northguineahills: w00h00!, made it for the end!
	11:49am Dean: I'm now reading--well, skimming--a new book, Plain Meetinghouses. It's remarkable. Look it up.
	♥ 11:51am Jeff Golick: @Doug! @northguineahills!
	♥ 11:51am northguineahills: Faved this episode, I should have know it would have been a Muhal Richard Abrams tribute. I'll have to hit the rest in the archives, eppysoade clicky-starred! Had a fun night for the first time in over a year, actually needed to sleep in.
	🦀 ♥ 11:52am Brian in UK: Dean, I got a copy of Alberti's Ten Books on Architecture out of our library. Tough going as it is in the Eighteenth Century translation.
	🦀 ♥ 11:55am Brian in UK: Dean, you really do need pictures/photographs to appreciate the subject. Jeff, thank you. Hope everyone has a good week.
	11:55am Dean: Alberti is one of my heroes. Read Joan Gadol's or Anthony Grafton's biographies. I have a copy of Ten Books, too.
	🦀 ♥ 11:55am Uncle Michael: Thanks for the fine introduction to this music, Jeff.
	♥ 11:55am northguineahills: Thanks Jeff ! I actually hadn't heard the Art Ensemble before!.
	11:57am Dean: I remember a trip to Florence when I dropped into a liquor store to buy a bottle of water. The bag in which the clerk put the bottle had an image of a Florentine Alberti building on it. As I walked out of the liquor store I looked across the plaza, where the very building stood!
	🦀 ♥ 11:57am fred: Jeff, can you pull out a worthy pun now that Doug is around?
	🦀 ♥ 11:58am Brian in UK: Dean the odd thing is that Alberti based a lot on Vetruvius and that was the only text that survived. What else was there?
	♥ 11:58am Jeff Golick: Muhal for one, and one for Muhal?
	🦀 ♥ 11:59am Brian in UK: Oh he's signed his name again.
	♥ 11:59am David D: This has been fantastic - thanks, Jeff!
	♥ 11:59am Jeff Golick: A smart DJ would've ended the show right there. I am not that DJ.
	12:00pm Dean: I think you're right, @Brian in UK. Consulting my copy of Hanno-Walter Kruft's A History of Architectural Theory from Vitruvius to the Present, I see that the first couple of chapters are devoted to Vitruvius, followed by one about Alberti.
	♥ 12:01pm northguineahills: ...and we're thankful you're not that dj...
	♥ 12:01pm Jeff Golick: Thanks for bein' here with me for this, @Uncle Michael; @ngh; @fred; David D; @Brain; @annie (if you're still around?); and all!
	🦀 ♥ 12:02pm listener james from westwood: As with many tributes, it must've been a bear trimming down today's show from the available offerings. Boffo job showing respect.
	🦀 ♥ 12:03pm Brian in UK: You will notice how early it gets dark tonight folks.
	♥ 12:03pm Jeff Golick: Thanks, and yes indeed. @ljfw. I feel like I could do an all-MRA show every year, easily.
	🦀 ♥ 12:04pm Brian in UK: Who was that masked DJ, I'd like to shake his hand.
	12:04pm Dean: There was the medieval chronicler of architecture, Villard de Honnecourt, but he didn't develop a system like Vitruvius or Alberti.
	🦀 ♥ 12:05pm fred: @Jeff: A MRA tribute show every year sounds like a great idea
	♥ 12:05pm David D: @Brian: Yes, the dark end of the year is upon us - hope you are well nonetheless!
	🦀 ♥ 12:07pm Brian in UK: David, yes thanks, missed a few of your shows recently. Ooops. Morpheus was calling.
	🦀 ♥ 5:27pm doctorjazz: Great show! (was at a conference Sunday, missed it in real time, but got to listen this afternoon, great tribute!0

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November 5, 2017: All Muhal

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Year	Comments	Approx. start time
The Roscoe Mitchell Art Ensemble	Tatas-Matoes	Congliptious	Nessa	1968		0:00:00 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Sun Ra	The Perfect Man "The Perfect Man" by "Sun Ra"	My Brother The Wind, Vol. I	Saturn Research	1970		0:03:57 (Pop-up)
Muhal Richard Abrams	Young at Heart	Young at Heart / Wise in Time	Delmark	1970		0:08:34 (Pop-up)
Sharon Freeman, Muhal Richard Abrams, et al.	La Dolce Vita Suite	Amarcord Nino Rota	Hannibal	1981	(arr. and conducted by MRA)	0:37:27 (Pop-up)
Woody Shaw with Anthony Braxton	Jitterbug Waltz	The Iron Men	Muse	1981	(MRA, piano)	0:44:48 (Pop-up)
Marion Brown	Sweet Earth Flying Part 5	Sweet Earth Flying	Impulse!	1974	(MRA, piano)	0:53:25 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Natural Food	Fair Breeze on Buzzard's Bay	Natural Food	Seeds	1972		0:58:01 (Pop-up)
Muhal Richard Abrams & Amina Claudine Myers	Miss Amina	Duet	Black Saint	1981		1:04:54 (Pop-up)
Anthony Braxton with Muhal Richard Abrams	Maple Leaf Rag	Duets 1976	Arista	1976		1:12:15 (Pop-up)
Muhal Richard Abrams feat. Malachi Favors	Sightsong	Sightsong	Black Saint	1976		1:15:56 (Pop-up)
Muhal Richard Abrams & Fred Anderson	Encore	1979.05.20 - Verona	[boot]	1979		1:22:24 (Pop-up)
Muhal Richard Abrams & Marty Ehrlich	Blues to You	The Open Air Meeting	New World Records	1997		1:30:29 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Booker T. & The MG's	Melting Pot "Melting Pot" by "Booker T. & The MG's"	Melting Pot	Stax	1971		1:35:00 (Pop-up)
Muhal Richard Abrams Orchestra	Mama and Daddy	Mama and Daddy	Black Saint	1980		1:40:58 (Pop-up)
Muhal Richard Abrams	Ja Do Thu (Dedicated to Jarman, Douglas & Thurman)	lifeA BlineC	Arista Novus	1978		1:48:03 (Pop-up)
Muhal Richard Abrams	Spihumonesty	Spihumonesty	Black Saint	1980		1:56:17 (Pop-up)
Muhal Richard Abrams	Duet for One World	Blues Forever	Black Saint	1982		2:03:52 (Pop-up)
Muhal Richard Abrams	Blues Forever	Blues Forever	Black Saint	1982		2:08:43 (Pop-up)
Muhal Richard Abrams Orchestra	Bermix	The Hearinga Suite	Black Saint	1989		2:17:46 (Pop-up)
Muhal Richard Abrams Orchestra	Bloodline	Rejoicing with the Light	Black Saint	1983		2:24:35 (Pop-up)
Muhal Richard Abrams Orchestra	Blu Blu Blu	Blu Blu Blu	Black Saint	1991		2:32:32 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Mouse on Mars	Fantastic Analysis "Fantastic Analysis" by "Mouse on Mars"	Idiology	Thrill Jockey	2001		2:41:35 (Pop-up)
Art Ensemble of Chicago	Barnyard Scuffel Shuffel	Fanfare for the Warriors	Atlantic	1974	(MRA, piano)	2:48:01 (Pop-up)
Muhal Richard Abrams	March of the Transients	Things to Come from Those Now Gone	Delmark	1975		2:52:36 (Pop-up)
Roscoe Mitchell	Tahquemenon "Tahquemenon" by "Roscoe Mitchell"	Nonaah	Nessa	1977	(MRA, piano)	2:58:45 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Dudu Pukwana & Spear	Flute Music "Flute Music" by "Dudu Pukwana & Spear"	Flute Music	Caroline	1975		3:04:31 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	♥ 8:42am annie: nice!!!
	♥ 8:45am annie: 15 more minutes of the morning set on OZ, then switch the turner to fmu.. is there nothing more wonderful than music??
	♥ 8:46am Jeff Golick: Not that I've found, @annie... though friendship is also pretty good.
	♥ 8:52am annie: ... oh, yes... that, too. i missed out on that through my life, a spot of it here and there, blessedly, but rare..
	♥ 8:53am annie: i guess music has always been the constant in my life..
	♥ 8:57am Jeff Golick: Yes, music is incredibly reliable that way.
	🦀 ♥ 8:59am duke: Hi annie, Jeff, and other D:Oers
	♥ 9:00am Jeff Golick: Welcome, @duke!
	🦀 ♥ 9:08am listener james from westwood: Morning, Jeff and all!!
	🦀 ♥ 9:09am fred: Good morning Jeff and all
	🦀 ♥ 9:09am listener james from westwood: Couple of folks on my Twitter feed were discussing how music does absolutely nothing for them, with no evidence that this was any sort of psychobiological condition, and I was like, whaaaaaat?
	🦀 ♥ 9:10am listener james from westwood: If I didn't work, drive, read, etc with music on in the background I'd curl into a ball.
	♥ 9:10am Jeff Golick: Hi and welcome, @listener james and @fred!
	♥ 9:14am Jeff Golick: I've heard of such people, @ljfw, but haven't come across many in the wild.
	♥ 9:17am annie: i had a bf who could not tolerate music.... what was i thinking?????
	🦀 ♥ 9:21am fred: @annie: I guess (hope?) this didn't last
	♥ 9:29am annie: oh, yes, it fizzled fast...
	♥ 9:31am Jeff Golick: A couple of good recent pieces on Muhal, if you're interested -- Taylor Ho Bynum on MRA in the NYer: www.newyorker.com... The NY Times obit, by Howard Mandel: www.nytimes.com...
	♥ 9:31am annie: turning the comments off, my browser can only handle one function at a time.."on"
	♥ 9:33am Jeff Golick: Sounds like my brain, @annie.
	🦀 ♥ 9:39am Uncle Michael: Sorry I'm late.
	♥ 9:40am Jeff Golick: S'ok - you only missed one song!
	♥ 9:41am Jeff Golick: (Muhal, btw, is not playing on this Nino Rota; he arranged and conducted.)
	♥ 9:43am Jeff Golick: @fred!! Mon dieu! THANK YOU so much for that tremendous pledge!!!
	♥ 9:44am Jeff Golick: (That's how this show's % went from twenty-something to forty-four!)
	🦀 ♥ 9:50am fred: Maybe some will join me and push you over the 50% bar. The station doesn't need much more, but it does need it
	♥ 9:54am Jeff Golick: An excellent suggestion, @fred. The station's goal is now just under $11,000 away. Every little bit really does help get us there.
	🦀 ♥ 10:06am Uncle Michael: I had never heard of Abrams prior to his death.
	♥ 10:07am Jeff Golick: Then you have come to the right place, my friend.
	10:09am Andy S.: Really enjoying this much-deserved audio tribute to MRA. I posted the Playlist link to my Facebook and the NY Times in a comment.
	♥ 10:10am Jeff Golick: Thanks so much, @Andy, and welcome!
	🦀 ♥ 10:13am listener james from westwood: Braxtonnnnn!!
	♥ 10:15am Jeff Golick: Even though the AACM credo was for original music, this never meant an abandonment of the past. Clearly.
	10:17am Dean: Yesterday the local college station played three Neil Young tunes in a row. At the back-announce, the DJ reported that a listener had called concerned that NY had died. Nope. She was responding to something she had read about NY's Bridge School support. Original versus revival: What's New in the Tradition, no?
	♥ 10:19am Jeff Golick: Yah. Welcome and helloooo, @Dean.
	🦀 ♥ 10:24am Brian in UK: Afternoon, morning, whenever. Jeff and cohorts in cahoots. Just reading a book about the American architect Louis Kahn. In the Fifties he came to the realisation of seeing things 'from the begining'. Sounds obvious but very rarely happens. You have to be very skilled to be able to step back and strip away previous knowledge to refresh and start again. This can apply to music but rarely does. I am imagining John Coltrane to be an example. Frank Lloyd Wright in architecture.
	♥ 10:25am Jeff Golick: Well, hello, @Brian in UK. Seeing things from the beginning sounds like a lot of work.
	🦀 ♥ 10:31am holland oats: yo d:o!
	♥ 10:31am Jeff Golick: What is upwards, @holland oats?!
	🦀 ♥ 10:31am fred: My plea didn't move the needle at all. I suck at fundraising
	🦀 ♥ 10:31am Brian in UK: Well I think it is to be questioning the very precepts of what it is we are trying to achieve. I knew I should have gone for a ride on the motorcycle this morning. Mind you that would have started the Persig bug asking what is Quality.
	♥ 10:33am Jeff Golick: @fred: well you're better than me. Plus, one never knows when one has had an impact...
	🦀 ♥ 10:34am Brian in UK: fred, do not be so hard on yourself.
	10:36am Dean: Two or three years ago I had to attend a meeting at UC San Diego. The conference room took in a view of the coast and Kahn's Salk Institute. Maybe it expressed some nature of beginnings, but it certainly was impressive. It's too bad we aren't more routinely exposed to architectural history, which has much to offer about aesthetics, engineering, project management, social arrangements...the gamut, pretty much. Was finally disposed yesterday to listen to Havergal Brian's massive first symphony, the second half of which is a tribute to High Gothic cathedrals.
	🦀 ♥ 10:40am Brian in UK: Dean, you have been to the Salk. It looks wonderful. Imagine the sun going down there. Havergill Brian was born in Harrow where I grew up. His music was sponsored by Phil Lesh, I believe
	🦀 ♥ 10:43am fred: 45%! Whoever did this, thank you
	10:44am Dean: Not exactly "to" the Salk, but "by" (as I walked from hotel to meeting) and "above" (from meeting room). That's great to learn about Lesh! I first heard of Brian from Paul Rapaport's review in a late 1990 issue of Fanfare, in which Rapaport wrote, "[T]his recording is one of the most important in the entire history of recorded sound." Er, well, okay. Rapaport admits his view is hardly objective, inasmuch as he had a hand in assuring the recording would emerge.
	♥ 10:44am Jeff Golick: That would be listener Brian in the UK! THANKS SO MUCH, @Brian!
	10:46am Dean: Yep, George Lewis.
	10:46am Dean: Correction: Rapoport.
	🦀 ♥ 10:48am Brian in UK: Dean, just to make sure the memory has not totally messed up. articles.latimes.com... I thought it should be Brian Havergill!!
	🦀 ♥ 10:48am listener james from westwood: Whoo! Just finished getting chili going in the slow cooker. That D:O and Abrams were on in the background will guarantee this to be a delectable batch.
	🦀 ♥ 10:49am Brian in UK: Is there a proof editor in the house?
	🦀 ♥ 10:50am Brian in UK: @james stew today here, it is one of those kind of days.
	♥ 10:51am Jeff Golick: Hungry.
	10:54am Dean: @ljfw: Slow cooker chili was yesterday's dinner here! Used andouille sausage and one hella hot jalapeno. @Brian in UK: That LAT article is gold! Goes to show what a treasure the Dead were, or at least Lesh. It's the Marco Polo record I played yesterday. I don't recall seeing a reference to the foundation in the notes. Will check again.
	🦀 ♥ 10:55am Brian in UK: Dean, love the idea of Lesh listening to a classical bootleg after all those that have stalked the Dead.
	10:55am Dean: The LAT article indicates Brian wrote ~20 symphonies. I think it's closer to 32. The guy lived a long time, and was very prolific.
	🦀 ♥ 10:56am holland oats: today's bodega cats twitter.com...
	🦀 ♥ 10:58am Brian in UK: @holland oats my excuse for any typos is that one of the cats is walking all over the keyboard, keening for tea, bit early yet.
	♥ 10:58am Jeff Golick: Perfect.
	🦀 ♥ 10:58am listener james from westwood: @Brian in UK: Stew and the shorter days go together so well. @Dean: A friend of mine around here uses andouille in his; I've not had the pleasure of trying it yet. Mine is turkey chili with three jalapeños, an onion, and black & kidney beans. Will keep me warm after morning frost becomes more rule than exception.
	🦀 ♥ 10:59am listener james from westwood: @holland: That @Bodegacats_ account is a blessing.
	11:00am Dean: @ljfw: I usually use turkey, but had ground beef in the 'fridge. Onion, celery, orange bell pepper, garlic, kidney beans, diced tomatoes, tomato sauce, apple juice, and the last of a carton of chicken broth. A bit of brewed coffee, too. Sometimes I add an ounce or so of dark chocolate.
	🦀 ♥ 11:01am Brian in UK: Now if you were talking andouillette, not many peoples choice. Not seen over here in the wild.
	🦀 ♥ 11:02am Brian in UK: Started making chili with beef pieces not mince and the coffee/chocolate routine. Bluddy rich.
	11:04am Dean: Had to look up "andouillette." Found it at a blog called Things That Stink.
	♥ 11:05am Jeff Golick: Only an hour left and I wanted to close with another 30-min solo piece. Not sure how to bring this one in safely...
	🦀 ♥ 11:06am Brian in UK: Dean only the French or Chinese.
	11:09am Dean: I imagine if there were a restaurant in town called Andouillette a not insignificant portion of the population, myself included, would figure it was a cute diminutive reference to New Orleans.
	🦀 ♥ 11:09am listener james from westwood: In my case, big can of unseasoned tomato sauce, 2 cloves garlic, 1 med onion, 1 bottle of beer, the turkey and beans, the peppers, and spices. Different friend of mine will do the chocolate thing in the form of cocoa powder.
	🦀 ♥ 11:09am listener james from westwood: May make cornbread later or tomorrow, too. Gonna be good eatin' up in here.
	11:10am Dean: Or substitute molasses for chocolate/cocoa.
	🦀 ♥ 11:13am Brian in UK: Dean, thinking of going to Ely Cathedral in the week. The Octagon is a thing of wonder, how does it stay up. Pendentives are the answer I am discovering from my childish reading of the subject. www.elycathedral.org...
	🦀 ♥ 11:17am Brian in UK: Jeff, he seems to covers many bases, all equally well.
	♥ 11:17am Jeff Golick: They really knew how to build 'em, @Brian.
	♥ 11:18am Jeff Golick: (Churches, I mean.) But, yes, he covered a lot of ground!
	♥ 11:18am Jeff Golick: There's a string quartet I'm not going to be able to get to today...
	11:18am Scraps deSelby, Moldy Fig: I can’t listen this morning, to my dismay. I will listen as soon as I can. Cheers.
	♥ 11:19am Jeff Golick: Hey, moldy @Scraps! Thanks for checking in - and hope you enjoy.
	🦀 ♥ 11:22am Brian in UK: This might give you some idea of scale. www.greenshoots.co.uk...
	♥ 11:23am Jeff Golick: Inspiring.
	11:32am Dean: Oh, man, @Brian in UK, that'd be nice. Long ago I tried to take in a few High Gothic wonders: Chartres, Reims, Notre Dame. I attended a concert in Paris at Sainte-Chapelle. At one time I was poised to go to architecture school, even admitted at a school, until I realized I am no artist, and that what really interests me is the history. For Gothic cathedrals you could do worse than start with Hans Jantzen's High Gothic.
	🦀 ♥ 11:32am Uncle Michael: Most amazing housework music ever.
	11:34am Dean: ISWYDT, @Jeff G. The housework or the music, @UM?
	🦀 ♥ 11:36am Uncle Michael: Hard to compare the Steinway to the Swiffer...but I'm going with the piano.
	♥ 11:37am Jeff Golick: If someone's house is cleaner at the end of this show, then I'll feel good about what we accomplished here.
	11:37am Dean: Dustin'!
	11:38am Dean: But then you'd have every reason to be equally proud if someone's house were messier, too.
	♥ 11:39am David D: Hello Jeff - tuned in and present!
	♥ 11:40am Jeff Golick: Mr. DD! Hi hi hi!
	♥ 11:40am Jeff Golick: Ha I guess that's true, too, @Dean.
	🦀 ♥ 11:42am fred: Still, this show's at 45% of its goal. Let's have a late rally to get to 50%
	🦀 ♥ 11:42am Brian in UK: Dean, I am of a simliar kidney. Just now started to persue more interest in the subject.
	11:43am Dean: I'd call it Lifeline ABC.
	11:46am Doug Schulkind: Muhal Eternal. All hail D:O Radio.
	🦀 ♥ 11:46am Brian in UK: Dean, I like all sorts from ziggerats onwards (pyramids who) it is not just how they were designed but built.
	🦀 ♥ 11:47am listener james from westwood: I was intro'd by a longtime listener to WFMU. By the following Marathon I was donating. Converts are always welcome!
	🦀 ♥ 11:48am Brian in UK: Watch out, the boss is here.
	♥ 11:48am northguineahills: w00h00!, made it for the end!
	11:49am Dean: I'm now reading--well, skimming--a new book, Plain Meetinghouses. It's remarkable. Look it up.
	♥ 11:51am Jeff Golick: @Doug! @northguineahills!
	♥ 11:51am northguineahills: Faved this episode, I should have know it would have been a Muhal Richard Abrams tribute. I'll have to hit the rest in the archives, eppysoade clicky-starred! Had a fun night for the first time in over a year, actually needed to sleep in.
	🦀 ♥ 11:52am Brian in UK: Dean, I got a copy of Alberti's Ten Books on Architecture out of our library. Tough going as it is in the Eighteenth Century translation.
	🦀 ♥ 11:55am Brian in UK: Dean, you really do need pictures/photographs to appreciate the subject. Jeff, thank you. Hope everyone has a good week.
	11:55am Dean: Alberti is one of my heroes. Read Joan Gadol's or Anthony Grafton's biographies. I have a copy of Ten Books, too.
	🦀 ♥ 11:55am Uncle Michael: Thanks for the fine introduction to this music, Jeff.
	♥ 11:55am northguineahills: Thanks Jeff ! I actually hadn't heard the Art Ensemble before!.
	11:57am Dean: I remember a trip to Florence when I dropped into a liquor store to buy a bottle of water. The bag in which the clerk put the bottle had an image of a Florentine Alberti building on it. As I walked out of the liquor store I looked across the plaza, where the very building stood!
	🦀 ♥ 11:57am fred: Jeff, can you pull out a worthy pun now that Doug is around?
	🦀 ♥ 11:58am Brian in UK: Dean the odd thing is that Alberti based a lot on Vetruvius and that was the only text that survived. What else was there?
	♥ 11:58am Jeff Golick: Muhal for one, and one for Muhal?
	🦀 ♥ 11:59am Brian in UK: Oh he's signed his name again.
	♥ 11:59am David D: This has been fantastic - thanks, Jeff!
	♥ 11:59am Jeff Golick: A smart DJ would've ended the show right there. I am not that DJ.
	12:00pm Dean: I think you're right, @Brian in UK. Consulting my copy of Hanno-Walter Kruft's A History of Architectural Theory from Vitruvius to the Present, I see that the first couple of chapters are devoted to Vitruvius, followed by one about Alberti.
	♥ 12:01pm northguineahills: ...and we're thankful you're not that dj...
	♥ 12:01pm Jeff Golick: Thanks for bein' here with me for this, @Uncle Michael; @ngh; @fred; David D; @Brain; @annie (if you're still around?); and all!
	🦀 ♥ 12:02pm listener james from westwood: As with many tributes, it must've been a bear trimming down today's show from the available offerings. Boffo job showing respect.
	🦀 ♥ 12:03pm Brian in UK: You will notice how early it gets dark tonight folks.
	♥ 12:03pm Jeff Golick: Thanks, and yes indeed. @ljfw. I feel like I could do an all-MRA show every year, easily.
	🦀 ♥ 12:04pm Brian in UK: Who was that masked DJ, I'd like to shake his hand.
	12:04pm Dean: There was the medieval chronicler of architecture, Villard de Honnecourt, but he didn't develop a system like Vitruvius or Alberti.
	🦀 ♥ 12:05pm fred: @Jeff: A MRA tribute show every year sounds like a great idea
	♥ 12:05pm David D: @Brian: Yes, the dark end of the year is upon us - hope you are well nonetheless!
	🦀 ♥ 12:07pm Brian in UK: David, yes thanks, missed a few of your shows recently. Ooops. Morpheus was calling.
	🦀 ♥ 5:27pm doctorjazz: Great show! (was at a conference Sunday, missed it in real time, but got to listen this afternoon, great tribute!0

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