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The Failure of Noise
The Failure of Sound
The Failure of Rock
The Failure of the Avant Garde
The Failure of the Space Age
The Failure of Jazz
The Failure of Psychedelia
The Failure of Krautrock
The Failure of Electronic
The Failure of Pop
The Failure of Free-form
The Failure of the 20th Century

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Artist Track Album Label Format Comments Approx. start time
James Last  Mr. Giant Man   Favoriting Voodoo Party  polydor      0:00:00 (Pop-up)
James White & The Blacks  Stained Sheets   Favoriting Off White  ZE Records    with Stella Rico on Vocals  0:15:18 (Pop-up)
Tony Iglio  Jungla   Favoriting Drugstore  Cinedelic      0:15:57 (Pop-up)
Ensemble Economique  Shacks Built From Plyboard   Favoriting Psychical  Not Not Fun       0:16:40 (Pop-up)
Heroin in Tahiti  Blood Before Dawn   Favoriting black vacation/no highway split 12"  No Fire    Split with Ensemble Economique  0:18:36 (Pop-up)
Pierre Raph  Crotch Batterie   Favoriting Requiem for a Vampire  Finders Keepers      0:23:08 (Pop-up)
Gintas K  episode 4   Favoriting Acousma Light  GK      0:24:21 (Pop-up)
Robert Ashley  Purposeful Lady Slow Afternoon   Favoriting Automatic Writing  Lovely Music      0:28:03 (Pop-up)
 
Crescent  Unit System   Favoriting Crescent  Atavistic      0:46:18 (Pop-up)
Nicolas Bernier  Frequencies (a / fragments) (excerpt)   Favoriting Frequencies (a / fragments)  Line      1:01:15 (Pop-up)
 
Mogadishow  MAntra I   Favoriting Voyage: Facing The History of French Modern Psychedelic Music  Kemado      1:25:35 (Pop-up)
Alpha Beta  Astral Abuse   Favoriting   BYG  7"    1:27:41 (Pop-up)
Electric Sandwich  China   Favoriting Electric Sandwich  Brain      1:34:49 (Pop-up)
Galbraith/Nielson/Youngs  Samain   Favoriting Belsayer Time  Time-Lag      1:40:38 (Pop-up)
Decibel  El Fin de los dodos   Favoriting Fiat Lux  Mio Records      1:45:11 (Pop-up)
Ennio Morricone  Passaggio terzo   Favoriting Macchie Solari  Digitmovies      1:49:27 (Pop-up)
Ennio Morricone  Preannuncio - Multipla II Pezzo   Favoriting Macchie Solari  Digitmovies      1:49:46 (Pop-up)
 
Galbraith/Nielson/Youngs  Coral   Favoriting Belsayer Time  Time-Lag      2:03:25 (Pop-up)
Insiememusicadiversa  Momento   Favoriting Insiememusicadiversa  PATEAN Records      2:13:43 (Pop-up)
Verdun  Saudades do Verdun (excerpt)   Favoriting Two Archipelagos  Eyland      2:20:39 (Pop-up)
Seht  Requiem For John Fahey   Favoriting The Voice Of The Taniwha  Last Visible Dog      2:28:31 (Pop-up)
Seht  Homage to Abbas Kiarostami's "The Runner"   Favoriting The Voice Of The Taniwha  Last Visible Dog      2:36:02 (Pop-up)
 
Catherine Christer Hennix  The Electric Harpsichord   Favoriting The Electric Harpsichord  Die Schachtel      2:50:24 (Pop-up)


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Listener comments!

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chocolate monk:

gurps!
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Cecile:

Oh, I think I know this one.
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Rev. Turnip Druid:

peace be witchaw.
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glenn:

who is this and what do you want?
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Cheri Pi:

this rings a bell too
Avatar Swag For Life Member 3:05pm
Michael 98145:

haven't heard this for awhile :)
  3:06pm
nic:

still love this !!!
Avatar 🎸 Swag For Life Member 3:06pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Party time in Giant Land!
  3:07pm
James Black:

I need a Black-eye!
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saintMichael:

omg what is this?
Avatar 3:09pm
sphere:

hello folks
Avatar 3:09pm
Cecile:

match.com really works!
Avatar 3:09pm
sphere:

James Chance and Lydia Lunch, right?
Avatar 3:09pm
βrian:

Fibrillating epiglottis!
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βrian:

It would make sense that James Chance follows James Last.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 3:12pm
Michael 98145:

Masculine Inadequacies Drive Women Nuts - blogfiles.wfmu.org...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 3:17pm
common:

good Thursday!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 3:20pm
BronwynB:

hey fabio and everyone!
Avatar 🎸 3:21pm
Rev. Turnip Druid:

vigorously approving.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 3:23pm
northguineahills:

subtle title....
  3:23pm
J Gilly:

Sexy show today ha
  3:24pm
khd:

could someone give that lady a hand with her groceries?
  3:26pm
Nellie:

Haha
  3:26pm
Orgasmatron 3000:

'did ya git any on ya?'
  3:27pm
Boy in Boston:

play some music with guys getting fucked please
Avatar Swag For Life Member 3:28pm
northguineahills:

Bob Ashley!
  3:28pm
nic:

love this !!!
  3:29pm
Ike:

@khd, I think someone was already giving that lady a hand! (Sorry, couldn't resist.)

Has Fabio ever done a premium called Fabio's Pervy Moaning-Lady Extravaganza?!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 3:29pm
Michael 98145:

dental hygiene
  3:30pm
?:

First post ever, been listening for years. Glad to post listening to this perved out stuff Fab. i'm a little uncomfortable now
Avatar Swag For Life Member 3:31pm
BronwynB:

i agree with our boy in boston
  3:31pm
Dean:

Mary Wing is seeking suggestions of songs in which the lyrics include the spelling of a word, e.g., G-L-O-R-I-A. It occurred to me that Robert Ashley's lyrics must include an instance or two of this phenomenon, but I can't think of one.
  3:31pm
Dean:

Songs with guys getting fucked? You mean like "I Fought the Law"?
  3:31pm
rw:

Gross!
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BronwynB:

@dean: no, like whole lotta love
  3:32pm
Bill Main:

I heard this track years ago and have been trying to remember the composer (Robert Ashley) ever since! Thanks for playing.
  3:34pm
bill:

yikes, where's FUV?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 3:34pm
northguineahills:

The Soft Pink Truth do some samples of guys getting fucked.
  3:34pm
J:

Ok this is a bit much
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-Ken:

My college station WCBN got into big trouble for airing this Ashley piece back in 1980 or so.
  3:34pm
khd:

intense...
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dale:

was this on a carnival cruise?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 3:35pm
northguineahills:

If think this is intense, read the backstory of this recording... (of the monologue).
  3:35pm
khd:

@ken - SOUND THE GOAT ALARM
  3:35pm
pnuthead:

hot stuff. 2nd post (forgot my name before). trigger warning fab, omg need a xanax.
  3:35pm
Boy in Boston:

is this just more male bullshit couched as avant garde..... ??
  3:36pm
Mark Williams:

a critique, which I found just now. I've not formed my own opinion yet, so this is purely fyi:

https://www.waggish.org/2003/purposeful-lady-slow-afternoon-robert-ashley/
  3:36pm
J:

*Airhorn*
Avatar Swag For Life Member 3:36pm
Debt Collector:

description of rape
  3:36pm
Dean:

Stooges, "Loose"? Or am I not adequately respecting the passive construction of "getting fucked"?
  3:37pm
Boy in Boston:

i do love that iggy song!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 3:37pm
Michael 98145:

(feat. Cynthia Liddell)
  3:37pm
Brown eye winking:

listen to more Butthole Surfers.
  3:37pm
J:

Yeah this is pretty fucking rapey Fab
Avatar Swag For Life Member 3:38pm
rsj:

Fabio must have disabled Ken's alarm before his show
Avatar Swag For Life Member 3:38pm
northguineahills:

@Boy in Boston: if it was anyone else but Robert Ashley, I'd agree w/ you.
  3:38pm
J:

@BostonBoy YUUUUUUP
  3:39pm
Boy in Boston:

context is everything
  3:40pm
Dean:

All of Ashley takes some work. We'll be extracting meaning from those operas and other pieces for a long time.
  3:40pm
nic:

i've always loved it !!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 3:41pm
rsj:

the ashley opera about the extra man, and the genesis of catsup, is awesome
  3:41pm
P:

I saw Robert Ashley at a performance of one of his works at Roulette in late 2013. Most of it was in Romansh. He sat in the front row and took time to talk to everyone in crowd. He was in good spirits despite his health.
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Lixiviated Life:

JC & the contortions no doubt
  3:43pm
Dean:

During law school I had hoped to have occasional evenings of comparative listening to, e.g., various recordings of classical works. Ex.: an evening listening to Schubert's final piano sonata. Managed to have only one such evening, and it wasn't comparative. We listened to Ashley's "Improvement."
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joe mulligan:

wow Ashely was in 1968! still timely. made me think of that NYT article going around about how porn is affecting teens these days
Avatar 🎸 Swag For Life Member 3:46pm
dale:

yes, that was pre-big sausage pizza.
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Devin B.:

Ashley re-used some lines from the "Purposeful Lady" monologue in a later opera - El Aficionado, maybe?
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pcnyc:

Ok, agree with @Boy in Boston and @J that the Ashley monolgoue was uncomfortable, triggering and exploitative. Not "beautiful" as you suggested, Fabio.
  3:47pm
Mark Williams:

I just played my copy of this Crescent 10" the other day. Crackly for some reason. It always disturbs me. Not an easy throw down, especially when the keyboards come in.
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Ken From Hyde Park:

The good part is we didn't have to sit through a bunch of loud, pointless commercials before the show started. Not like they do in the movie theaters.
  3:49pm
J:

No matter how anyone felt about it, that's the beauty of free form radio. I almost tuned out though. Lame piece
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βrian:

Apropos of nothing I wonder how often Ruth Bader Ginsburg is triggered.
  3:49pm
Mark Williams:

the Jones brothers who were in Movietone were in Crescent, btw.
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Chris from DC:

Yay, Crescent. Good to hear this.
  3:51pm
sexism:

get over it/like music anything interesting is a mixture of greatness.
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pcnyc:

It's just as creepy as that Dr. Bootygrabber gross-out that @-Ken likes to revisit.
  3:54pm
Boy in Boston:

...a mixture of greatness and....... what?
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ⓔⓘⓚ:

It *is* creepy but at least it focuses more on the woman's perception of the act rather than the man's POV...? Though the woman seems impassive and blanked-out like a pr0n lady, so I don't like that. Very confusing....
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βrian:

Yes, it's that almost out-of-body recollection that gives it such an unsettling tinge.
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-Ken:

Ashley wrote the words for that piece, so it's a man imagining rape from a woman's perspective. I've been hearing that piece for decades and it always gets a huge reaction from people.
  3:58pm
Love is how you make it:

Do not take this personal/everything is not about your sexual preference.
  3:58pm
nic:

this is great !!!
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Devin B.:

According to Kyle Gann's book on him, Ashley based the text on interviews with female friends about their real experiences with men. The idea was to present the facts of what happened without emotion.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 3:59pm
northguineahills:

Man, loving this Crescent, how have I not heard it!
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dale:

my take is if art doesn't make you squirm a little it isn't working.
  4:00pm
Dean:

By that criterion, @dale, The Police produce art, and I just won't stand for that.
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βrian:

Baby Animal makes me squirm a bit.
  4:01pm
Boy in Boston:

wait, is there something about love happening here? sexual preference? did I miss something?
  4:01pm
Dean:

Or perhaps you intended squirming as a necessary, but not sufficient, criterion.
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ⓔⓘⓚ:

@Dean, you don't like "Message in a Bottle" and "De Do Do Do, De Da Da Da"?!?
  4:03pm
Dean:

@ⓔⓘⓚ, not in public, no.
  4:03pm
rw:

I hadn't known that work but have been generally a fan of Ashley. The fact that he wrote the monologue himself as Ken points out seems a little disingenuous and makes me question that particular work.
  4:04pm
Boy in Boston:

i like When The World Keeps Running Down ...
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Chris from DC:

Going to track down the full Bernier piece. Really like this.
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pcnyc:

Impassively conveyed, like she's recounting to her therapist or something, and we're eavesdropping on a highly-sensitive and personal dialogue of confidences.
For what purpose?
And how can there be a bodily violation of another person accurately conveyed without emotion?
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dale:

don't over analyze it - it's a piece of theater.
  4:09pm
Dean:

My memory could be playing games, but Ashley's conceit reminds me of some of Peter Handke's work, its clinical accounts of crises and deep anxiety. Handke famously wrote a play, "Offending the Audience," aimed at doing just that.
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Devin B.:

Purposeful Lady grew out of a larger piece called "That Morning Thing," inspired by three friends of Ashley's, three women who didn't know each other and who each committed suicide. He says it "was an attempt to come to grips with that, to get rid of it, so you don't have to keep thinking about it all the time. It becomes something outside of you, a shield between you and whatever you think about it."
  4:12pm
khd:

as a critique of Robert Ashley, "impassively conveyed" makes me laugh
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northguineahills:

Thanks Devin, it's been awhile since I read that, I couldn't recount it,
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βrian:

The Seventh Seal (and her multicolored ball)
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dale:

i saw that bergman film on my local pbs station late at night back in the 70s, channel 17 in buffalo.
  4:15pm
J:

People know this but Last House On The Left was based on Virgin Spring, to give any indication to its brutality
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pcnyc:

"Art" that provokes and then disavows a predictable reaction? Go fuck yourself, @Dale.
  4:15pm
Pink Military:

If it was up your ass you would know.
  4:16pm
Boy in Boston:

Rock ON, pcnyc!
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Carmichael:

I'm glad this is a healthy discussion of art.
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coelacanth∅:

olá Fabio e falhas bonitas
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glenn:

who the fuck needs to buy a bible? steal one from a hotel, for christsake.
  4:19pm
Boy in Boston:

Oh, God.... don't get me started on the Bible....
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coelacanth∅:

...and just plain failures
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dale:

if you don't like the music you hear on this show or a musician's process then turn the dial. problem solved.
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joe mulligan:

At first I thought the Ashley was a court stenographer transcription from a molestation/rape trial
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Devin B.:

@northguinea: Great book! I wish there was more writing on him.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 4:21pm
coelacanth∅:

haha glenn or just...why read a bible?
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βrian:

"There I was, sitting on a bench beside myself. Whatever that means."
  4:23pm
Brendan:

I went to a radio station and a hockey game broke out.
  4:23pm
Saltonstall:

Is the estate of James Last engaging in a payola scheme with WFMU DJs. I've heard that tune so much I can't get it out of me 'ead.
  4:24pm
Boy in Boston:

Shutup, dale, I'm trying to make myself uncomfortable for art. da dee dah deee dahhhh
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βrian:

@Saltonstall: Oh, you don't want to come around at 10 a.m. on Tuesdays, then.
  4:25pm
Boy in Boston:

...and youre helping!!
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glenn:

having played many, many games of hockey in my yute, i can say that the chirping going on here pales in comparison.
  4:27pm
Beastie Banter:

fight for your right to party
  4:27pm
Saltonstall:

Last is first in my book. Only problem is I gotta work Tuesday morn.
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pcnyc:

I jumped into this because a woman's POV was important to the dialogue. And thanks for more mansplaining and a patronizing get-out-if-you-can't-handle-it comment, @dale.
Let's see, how many women are present in this dialogue right now?
  4:29pm
Saltonstall:

I uncovered about 2 dozen James Last lps at a thrift in Victoria, BC back in the day. That man was a dapper dude.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 4:29pm
northguineahills:

@joe mulligan: me too, until I read an article that had Ashley's interview where he gave his intent as Devin recounted above. It makes it darker, as there you know there was a reason her friend committed suicide, and she might have told him of the encounter. I've had friends take their lives, I wish I was talented enough the sweep that pain a little further away.
  4:30pm
J:

The only thing that would have made that Ashley piece any worse is if people starting lining up in protest outside of the station
  4:31pm
Boy in Boston:

alas, I am a dude
Avatar Swag For Life Member 4:31pm
northguineahills:

err...talented enough to sweep...
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dale:

it's freeform radio pcnyc. fabio plays what HE wants to play. whether you like it or not is irrelevant.
  4:32pm
Boy in Boston:

we are all equally irrelevant
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βrian:

A friend mentioned to her husband that she felt really cranky, but didn't know why. He replied, "I'll tell you why you feel cranky: mansplaining."
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BronwynB:

i'm a woman and was present earlier at least
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dale:

i'm not "mansplainin'" anytthing. i didn't bring gender into it.
  4:34pm
Mark Williams:

@dale. I don't think to say that a person's point of view on these comment boards is irrelevant is, well, relevant. The music plays and we all get that. The discussion in here can exist simultaneously as well as independent of that.
  4:35pm
Brendan:

Hey Fab i really like this - thanks, man.
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glenn:

geez, i'm usually the guy pissing people off. go get 'em, dale.
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Luke in PDX:

You're blowin' my mind. Great stuff Fab!
  4:37pm
Boy in Boston:

...a musican's process... that's heavy
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dale:

let's gather every copy of that ashley piece and burn them in the town square. that'll show everyone!! that piece was just as valid and deserving of an ear as anything played on this station or k rock or the latin station or npr.

mark - true. i didn't get personal though by telling her to go fuck herself like she did with me. yet.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 4:38pm
chris:

i just had lunch, although not as tasty as this electric sandwich... i see i've missed alot.
  4:39pm
Boy in Boston:

well, there ya have it!
  4:39pm
Boy in Boston:

This song is cool!
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βrian:

Turboprop drones. Nice.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 4:41pm
northguineahills:

oh, and per my earlier comment near the beginning of ths show. The Soft Pink Truth is a Matmos gay house side project (they got their start doing soundtracks for gay porn in grad school in cali)
  4:43pm
Boy in Boston:

Groovy
  4:44pm
Mark Williams:

that Galbraith/Nielson/Youngs is an absolute fave of mine. One side features Youngs' inimitable and wonderful voice, the other not. It's so good. I predict a reissue for that some day.
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Lixiviated Life:

Some failures are easier to face than others
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Devin B.:

@pcnyc: Totally agree w/r/t the fallacy of removing emotion from such a charged scenario. It creeps me the hell out too. For what it's worth, Ashley also says that vision for the piece was a failure. Hope it didn't feel like I was arguing with you. It's not often I'm able to contribute relevant knowledge on these boards - particularly on this show!
  4:50pm
Mark Williams:

@Devin B - it's interesting what you say Ashley said about it. Because a critique that I linked to earlier (scroll up) suggested that the Liddell's delivery (vocalist) started to stray into "performance," and whether or not he asked this of her or not is one of the things I'm not clear on. But in doing so, it went into very difficult and arguably shock-value territory. And these days, we're just not in need of that anymore (if we ever were).
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pcnyc:

Being more aware and sensitive of how others sense and interpret events is what #metoo is about.
How about you all practice more care?
  4:51pm
Prog Porn:

Bring on the sax.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 4:53pm
steveo:

...and violins
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βrian:

... get it? Mansplaining?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 4:56pm
melinda:

hi people!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 4:58pm
Rich in Washington:

Did you hear about the mansplainer who died?
  4:58pm
Boy in Boston:

Devin B √
pcnyc √
Mark Williams √
Avatar Swag For Life Member 4:58pm
Rich in Washington:

They say he walked into an open manhole...
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βrian:

@Rich: Why, no!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 4:59pm
Rich in Washington:

...but it was a well, actually.
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glenn:

huh. i thought metoo was about women not accepting harassment any more, but what do i know?
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βrian:

Ah, I see.
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Jack:

I don't get it! Can you explain?
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βrian:

@glen: Well, actually ...
  5:02pm
Brendan:

Careful of fusion - it can lead to smooth jazz
Avatar Swag For Life Member 5:03pm
Rich in Washington:

ugh. came back from a long meeting. was totally unaware of what was going on in the comment board.
  5:03pm
Zetti:

Hi Fabio ;)
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joe mulligan:

@NGH wow that is heavier context!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 5:03pm
steveo:

was the meeting about Robert Ashley?
Avatar 5:04pm
glenn:

see? you go away and all hell breaks loose.
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Rev. Turnip Druid:

Who has carrot cake?
  5:05pm
MUWFInMA:

and careful of confusion it hides in all read words
  5:08pm
rw:

Fucking Valentines day. Did somebody say carrot cake?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 5:08pm
melinda:

@Rich that was funny
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Ooh...capital idea. I should bring carrot cake to the meet-up on Saturday.
Avatar 🎸 Swag For Life Member 5:10pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Also, how do you make carrot cake?
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TDK60:

Sorry I'm late, failed to get here in time, was at a film.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 5:10pm
northguineahills:

I leave my house to go back to work after lunch, and Galbraith/Nielson/Youngs was playing, get back to work, Galbraith/Nielson/Youngs is playing.
  5:10pm
khd:

the failure of promptness
  5:11pm
Dean:

[Well, actually,] Being aware and sensitive of how others sense and interpret events is what many human enterprises are about: education, anti-discrimination struggles, literature and other arts... Not being on Twitter, I don't know how the #metoo discussion is progressing, though I read bits and pieces in the news, usually related to the (to my mind not surprising, but still shocking) stories of abuses by (relatively) powerful men of women with whom they work. If that's so, then #metoo is also about abuses of power, male entitlement, and patriarchy, pace Andrea Dworkin. Dworkin confronted the problems she saw head-on. Her book Pornography meticulously, graphically, and painfully analyzes common tropes of hatred and intimidation in porn. Like many of her works, it is unsettling. How would Dworkin have heard the Ashley piece? I don't know.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 5:11pm
northguineahills:

(And yes, I'm on EDT, I just eat late)
  5:12pm
Devin B.:

@Mark W: Missed that link earlier! I think the critique is pretty on point although I think the author’s tone is unnecessarily combative.
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TDK60:

Guess I missed some controversy, will have to go back and read but can't right away.
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Rev. Turnip Druid:

Carrot Cake is the great peacemaker.
#revsplaining
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northguineahills:

I can take some revsplaining...
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TDK60:

The film? "In The Intense Now." Okay I suppose. Just for the record, I am pro-feminist.
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northguineahills:

Sounds like Jim O'Rourke's "Happy Days".
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northguineahills:

Verdun, new to me and makes my eye holes spangle-dancey!

same w/ Seht!
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northguineahills:

Moar info on Seht, Proszę!
  5:32pm
nic:

love this show +++
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pcnyc:

I am satisfied in having raised my concern of "art" that reconstructs violent and tragic scenarios.
Proceed at your own level of understanding and interest. Happy to dialogue more with those individuals who have a genuine interest. There is no "silly" "bickering", Fabio.
I've art to go see. Peace out.
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glenn:

all righty then.
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northguineahills:

it's all good pcnyc, a good conversation is always needed in discussing these issues. It's better then going w/ one's pre-determined feelings and gut instinct.
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northguineahills:

(dialogue is always important)
  5:37pm
CarrotHead:

more Faust&Porn soundtracks.less political correctness?
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TDK60:

"Political correctness?" Maybe you really mean sexism is okay?
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dale:

wow - the sh*t is being flung in EVERY direction. glad gig talk is coming up cuz i gotta tune out.
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Rev. Turnip Druid:

That ol'Bob Ashley; quite the uniter of the people, no?
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queems:

when people complain about political correctness all i hear is "i'm mad that i can't be a total piece of shit and get away with it"
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dale:

a comment board for the ages fabio.
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Philthy woman:

Good show Fabio. Diggin a lot of this stuff. Especially current drone. I thought that Ashley piece was intense and it made me wonder what the process of making it was. As someone who has been raped I did not assume however that it was necessarily intentionally harmful or sexist just because the piece came from a man and involved explicit violent content. We don't know how or why people make art and just because it is hard to stomach doesn't mean intentions are neccisarily bad or that they are intending to use violence in a salacious way. I really wonder though and will have to research the making of that one...
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chris:

i'm one of those who believes in freedom of expression and in the US, the first amendment applies. i'm thoroughly disgusted with recent decisions with institutions in Berkeley, for instance, to stifle expression and therefore stifle open dialogue, which is also under increasing attack. we might say there's a dark side to "politicial correctness" if it stifles dialogue. art is a very useful tool, in my opinion, for fostering dialogue. yes, someone who is picking on someone or stereotyping someone or being bigoted is an asshole. should we not be able to dialogue with them? at the very least, can we not use that opportunity to understand why they think what they think? it may help reach common ground, though not always easy.
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TDK60:

Sorry Dale, I'm not an ostrich.
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fake george W:

'I'm a uniter not divider'
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Rev. Turnip Druid:

Better to strive to be a unider, i reckon.
  5:51pm
Dean:

Erwin Chemerinsky & Howard Gillman, Free Speech on Campus
https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300226560/free-speech-campus
  5:52pm
Brendan:

Thanks Fabio?
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chris:

oooo, thanks, Dean!
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TDK60:

"Free speech" on campus, while they quietly fire the leftist profs.
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northguineahills:

Well, it looks like I clicky starred this already! I need some more Catherine Christer Hennix (i have none, I need to remedy that!)

true, queems...
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chris:

thanks, Fabio! always outstanding tunes. and great comments board!
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dale:

no one was being sexist on the board that i could see TDK. however my opinion as to what art might encompass got me told to go fuck myself - rude, insulting and disparaging. she inserted the gender bias into the conversation.
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coelacanth∅:

exactly what chris said.
- and,"political correctness" is not always correct and reduced freedom to "protect" others from feeling or dealing with the harshness that is the reality of this world is just another step toward total control by a government that will be oppressive and otherwise malevolent far beyond most people's imaginations.
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northguineahills:

Fabio has been carrying this around..., yeah, for like 5 years (you played this in 2013!) Thank you Fabio!
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northguineahills:

I didn't understand that comment directed at you either, dale.
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coelacanth∅:

(i say this though i did not hear that robert ashley piece, and wont go out of my way to listen to it)
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Fabio:

@ Philthy woman: Thanks for your thoughtful and measured comment on this. It's my understanding that Ashley interview a number of women for their views on sexual encounters of varying degrees. He wanted to present the woman's point of view in a way that was't emotionally weighted. It is a tough piece amnd I have aired it many times, but I also think it is quite beautiful and powerful and gives the woman a voice that she might not have had otherwise. I don't normally "defend" anything I play on the air but your comment I thought warranted my input. Someone else pointed out that Ashley himself thought this was not a successful piece. I'm am uncertain as to where this comes from but I will have to do some digging myself on that... thanks again...
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Michael 98145:

thanks again, Fabio.
for thought-provoking radio.
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coelacanth∅:

...and Philthy, i'm sorry to hear you went through that.
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duke:

Great show
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nic:

beautiful !!!
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dale:

i just came for some atonal droning. didn't want a black eye.
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BronwynB:

@coel: with all due respect (for real- i always enjoy your contributions) i think political correctness at this point in time is not a step towards control by a malevolent government, at least in the us, because the malevolent government currently in power is actually headed by people who like to bray about their opposition to political correctness. so a PC-related government takeover is probably the least of our worries right now
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Ken From Hyde Park:

This was quite the emotional support hamster kind of a show today. Thankfully, without the flushing.
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coelacanth∅:

Thanks Fabio
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Dean:

I like the Ashley. I understand how it might shock, even repulse, others. I don't understand how "willing suspension of disbelief" works for horror movies or Wagner, but not for Ashley, when it comes to "reconstruct[ion of] violent and tragic scenarios." But I can empathize with anybody who finds something so "creepy" that it crosses a line for them. I do not agree that by virtue of crossing that line, art becomes "art" in scare quotes.
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coelacanth∅:

Bronwyn, you are correct. i mean that in an indirect route....but this is a lot to get into.
  6:05pm
Devin B.:

Great show as always, Fabio. I think you were referring to my comment earlier that Ashley thought he had been unsuccessful at capturing the scene absent of emotion. I’m taking this from a quick re-read of what Kyle Gann’s book says on the origin of the piece. Your recollection of Ashley’s method and purpose is pretty much the same as what Gann says.
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Devin B.:

Gann book: https://www.press.uillinois.edu/books/catalog/67qrm8wc9780252035494.html
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pcnyc:

This remark of yours, @dale, is what provoked my ire: "don't over analyze it - it's a piece of theater."
I am entitled to stand in my own truth..and you've no business discounting how i respond to a description of sexual violence.
I would have messaged you directly about this, but didn't want to hear you have an issue with that, either, somewhere down the line.
This piece is offensive and needs to be rethought as being fully acceptable for broadcast, in the same way other exploitative work is. These are changing times and I, for one, will -- in no uncertain terms -- speak out against such insensitivity.
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Joel St. Germain:

Fabio is a king!!
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