WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from March 8, 2021

Listener comments!
	6:00pm ultradamno: Mark! Techsphitocates!
	🤖 6:01pm Ken From Hyde Park: Techtonicated Boom Boom!
	🤖 6:01pm Handy Haversack: Mark and Techyon Drives! The Techgin is Techrye, but I am still ready for tonic! And so glad we get to here more about Sheila B divesting from the social media industrial complex! Yo, ultradamno! Happy Marathon!
	6:01pm P-90: Greetonic!
	6:01pm djsheilab: Welcome Techtonic gang!
	6:02pm J Boogie: Sheila B!
	🤖 6:02pm Webhamster Henry: Hi Mark & Sheila B!
	6:03pm Otis Fodder: Hello Sheila and Mark and fellow Tonics!
	6:03pm Glistener MW: Happy marathon, all! I’ve upped my swag for life monthly pledge to WFMU — up yours! ^_^
	6:03pm ultradamno: Hiya Handy!
	6:03pm J Boogie: I hope we’re going to be talking about boycotting social media in favor of... WFMU community!
	🤖 6:04pm tim from champaign (now washington): Sheila B! Woohoo! Give 'em hell Sheila and Mark!
	🤖 6:04pm Handy Haversack: Yeah, Glistener MW! Way to up yours!! (Sorry to spoil the reveal -- I didn't realize it was a secret. Gah.) Yaaaaay, Sheila!
	🤖 6:04pm PaulRobeson1920: Goood evening Ya’ll! WFMU <3
	🤖 6:04pm Bas NL: Mark! Sheila! People! Marathon!
	6:04pm melinda: hi Mark, Sheila, techtons!
	6:05pm Sonderangebot: Happy Marathon Mark, Sheila and everyone.
	6:05pm harry j: olivia rules
	6:05pm J Boogie: Sheila is the best kind of DJ
	6:05pm Otis Fodder: The Boom Boom is also a long-time fav, since there was a charming cha-cha dance.
	🤖 6:06pm Handy Haversack: Bas! tim! melinda! Ken! PR1920! We have proselytized Techtonic, Sophisticated Boom Boom, and Marty McSorley to pretty much everyone we know over and over now. Bringing the passion!
	6:06pm J Boogie: Pledge! Pledge! Pledge!
	6:06pm ultradamno: Nice April March & Olivia show this week, btw!
	6:07pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Remember when SheilaB was earrrly in the morning in the middle of the week ! Great immediately of course - perfect Friday when Werk gets out...
	6:07pm -Ken: Hi everybody
	6:07pm WantageInsomniac: Mark and Sheila, thanks so much
	6:08pm Erin in TO: My first exposure to WFMU was actually during the marathon in 2019...the obvious passion of all the djs for their shows and the station in that time was part of what got me hooked. I've been a swag for lifer ever since!
	6:08pm Erin in TO: And this show is one of my faves! Mark is awesome!
	6:09pm -Ken: But Mark, you should show the back side of the shirt also, where it says "But Twitter? No problem."
	6:09pm Jim the Poet: Nice shirt
	6:10pm ultradamno: A much better sign off than "smell you later"
	6:10pm J Boogie: I wish I could break free from Amazon and Apple. But I live in a very remote area and both are kind of lifesavers at times. That said, I loathe both companies. Hey at least I’m free of Zuck
	6:10pm harry j: Wfmu the only cure
	6:10pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: 'Be seeing you'... like on The Prisoner...
	6:11pm ARB: Twitter? Forgett'er!
	6:11pm Scott67: G'day Mark & Sheila & Tech support! ✌😎🌏🌞❤
	6:11pm Otis Fodder: You got that right ARB.
	6:12pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: I'm always on faceborg. Awful I know. Need the Monopoly broken so someone can do a better job w/ it...
	6:12pm Scott67: Birds tweet!
	🤖 6:12pm PaulRobeson1920: Hahahahaahaha!!!
	6:12pm ultradamno: It's the place where you can go to be morally indignant about Pepé Le Pew and see it trend for days.
	6:12pm Otis Fodder: This is my social platform. I have a little place by the sea, just down the surf from Sheena's Jungle Room. Drop by anytime and have a cocktail.
	6:13pm J Boogie: Mark - I could check the archives but have you done a show on getting away from smartphones? I bought a Light Phone at the end of 2020 and have been incredibly impressed with the philosophy behind it and the creators (who are artists in Brooklyn). Would be a great guest. Joe... last name escapes me
	6:13pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ultrad ...two beats til I remember that's literal...
	6:13pm northguineahills: Shouldn't the shirt be called an oculus?
	🤖 6:13pm tim from champaign (now washington): Re: the photo on the playlist. A local bookstore in my town had the same signs. I live across the Puget Sound from Seattle so the bookstore had an additional sign that read "AMAZON IS NOT A LOCAL BUSINESS".
	6:14pm Scott67: Otis, I will get there one day mate! 😎🌴🌊
	6:15pm Otis Fodder: Food is on me Scott!
	6:15pm Scott Williams: J Boogie, you're thinking of Joe Hollier, Mark's guest from Dec 2019! www.wfmu.org...
	6:15pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: J Boogie I now he's discussed smartphones a great deal in various contexts - including the nasty little ways they keep one's dopamine firing compulsively... Maybe looking @ playlist can tell when...
	🤖 6:15pm Ken From Hyde Park: Next year's prize can be an iron-on patch saying "Toss Twittter" that folks can use to update the shirts.
	🤖 6:15pm Handy Haversack: Excellent, tim! Though I'm afraid you have once again activated the Drone Protocol. That's strike two, mister. Mark's being on Twitter is literally the last pathetic self-justification I can use in the dark reaches of the night for not having nuked my Gmail account yet.
	6:16pm Cp304: Hey Mark & peoples.
	6:16pm ?: What was the name of that book Mark had mentioned about family members unlocking social media accounts?
	6:16pm J Boogie: Scott Williams - huge thank you! Queued!
	🤖 6:16pm Webhamster Henry: @J Boogie: Here's the Light Phone show: www.wfmu.org...
	6:17pm Otis Fodder: Lots of fantastic prizes this fundraiser. More clothing for another year as it seems like this days inside, 50% or more of what I wear is Woof Moo branded.
	6:17pm J Boogie: Rabbit: my question was specific to the Light Phone. Happy to hear there’s already an episode
	6:18pm Otis Fodder: Speaking of tools, thanks Mark... moved from LastPass this past week to BitWarden for a Password Manager thanks to YOUR site.
	6:18pm J Boogie: Thank you Henry!
	🤖 6:19pm Handy Haversack: Techtonic is an absolute good in the world. It's shocking how much resistance I find just talking about the things that Mark delves deeply into for us. Imagine if this were some sort of podcast looking for a home. Never happen. No ad-driveb hosting platform would touch it. But we get it every week for free. Free! I am happy to send in what I can so that Techtonic can keep going out over the airwaves. I value it more than I even know how to say. Same for all of WFMU, but Techtonic feels like a secret defender, always in my corner, telling me that it's OK to stay angry, to stay skeptical, to keep insisting there are other ways. Thank you, Mark. Thank you, WFMU.
	🤖 6:19pm Webhamster Henry: @J Boogie all in a day's work for The Webhamster!
	6:20pm J Boogie: Stoked for this interview. I’ve also had such a tortured relationship with social media. It’s so toxic
	6:22pm Cp304: The need for the dopamine is what they say
	6:22pm steveo: /pedanticguy This is a podcast, too!
	6:22pm J Boogie: Yes to all of this, Sheila. It’s so awful
	🤖 6:22pm Tank Top: That was great sheila
	6:22pm northguineahills: My digital addiction issue that I comment on WFMU (sometimes to my own detriment).
	6:23pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Never bothered w/ instagram or twitter...
	6:23pm Cp304: No soc nets for me. This place a few blogs and No Agenda mastodon. I use the Twitter to keep up with dis and artists only.
	6:23pm J Boogie: This show is invaluable. Pledge! This show is also not a podcast. Pledge!
	6:24pm P-90: The sharing and posting and checking for likes produces a little rush of dopamine in your nervous system. Which reinforces the behavior in a loop. Yes, that’s a kind of addiction.
	6:25pm J Boogie: Commenting here is different. It’s more of a conversation
	6:25pm J Boogie: BUCK THE ZUCK!
	6:26pm Erin in TO: @P-90 it's the same mechanism they get you with in video games, where you get that little rush every time you check for loot, and that's definitely additive
	6:26pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: On faceborg all the time... Wishing the Monopolies could be broken - so a competitor may be more transparent - & serve us better too. A pipe dream. But nothing is impossible...
	6:26pm J Boogie: Link to that show?
	🤖 6:26pm PaulRobeson1920: Thank you Sheila & Mark! Wow
	6:26pm northguineahills: I have a twatter account (never posted), and instagram (again never posted), but use it to access other posts when applicable. i only use FB for two good friend's w/o phones to communicate w/ them, and my former Japanese neighbors...
	6:27pm Miss G: I think that William Deresiewicz interview was my first Techtonic and I was crying with gratitude
	6:27pm J Boogie: I just went back on FB for the weekend... for the express purpose of using Marketplace for a minute. Deactivated this morning
	6:27pm Miss G: my internet is out since days but i wanted to pop on and support an important show, thanks Mark Hurst and Sheila B! (streaming is wonky for me but comments are posting)
	🤖 6:27pm Handy Haversack: I share that story all the time in trying to encourage nonprofits and artists to divest from social media. Here ya go, J Boogie: www.wfmu.org...
	6:27pm Jeff Golick: This program got me to read Shoshana Zuboff's book, which I will never shut up about.
	6:27pm Cp304: Exactly, you don’t need algos
	6:27pm Martinibomb: What do folks think of non-fungible tokens for selling "original" digital art/music? I bought that book Death of the Artist too
	6:28pm J Boogie: The numbers thing is maddening to me. Instagram artists have fallen deep into that stupid game
	6:28pm Otis Fodder: Beautiful... small true audience. Those who care and we find connections. More true ones.
	6:28pm Marci: It’s difficult to divest from SM when you own a small businesses 😒
	6:29pm Martinibomb: I hate posting my art to social media I feel like I'm providing free entertainment for the Mark Zs of the world to make a buck off
	🤖 6:30pm tim from champaign (now washington): I read a recent quote from guitarist Bill McKay who said his landlord knocks off $25 from his rent whenever he shoveled the walk. He has made more money shoveling snow than from plays on Spotify.
	6:30pm J Boogie: I’m starting to shoot 35mm photography again and for a second remembered what Instagram (pre Zuck) was all about (pre algorithm) in the first place. It bummed me out. Something that I’d otherwise use to share my work with friends... I’ll just have to build my own website I guess
	6:30pm Scott67: MB, some of my friends use watermarks on their Art on Fakebook.
	6:31pm Peter from Dover NJ: Mark and Sheila. Perhaps you've covered this before, but.... your thoughts on Bandcamp?
	6:31pm J Boogie: NFTs are pretty fascinating
	6:31pm ultradamno: The guy from Ripple was on Axios yesterday. He was very intent on using the phrase "crypto industry" as much as he could, which seemed like a concerted effort to make it seem tangible. I don't know a lot about NFTs, but they seem like another way to get you to spend money on things you never really own.
	6:31pm J Boogie: Hype bubble right now though. I’m not buying
	6:31pm Martinibomb: @scott I've had work stolen and put on bags I've had other artists steal my style it's all brutal
	🤖 6:31pm Handy Haversack: I love that Sheila is not just the MC but the guest this week! Way to score the celebs, Mark! What a get! Sheila's show is fan-damn-tastic! Check it out if you don't know it and pledge to both! Yo, Peter! I can tell you I know Sheila is a fan of Bandcamp.
	6:32pm ultradamno: That said, "Crypto Industry" would be a great Helios Creed title.
	6:32pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Sorry if linking to this once again is a drag : psychedelicsalon.com... - as I often have - & it's nothing new for this Program. But - it's a great talk about what the business models of the biggest tech giant monopolies are - & even what should be done abut it.
	🤖 6:32pm tim from champaign (now washington): Handy - I just saw your post. I'm on thin ice!
	6:33pm Sonderangebot: J Boogie, flickr still exists for photosharing even though it's not as "cool" as Insta. :)
	🤖 6:33pm Handy Haversack: tim: please review your experience to help us serve you better!
	🤖 6:34pm Handy Haversack: Techtonic reading list: lombardoc4.github.io...
	6:35pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: They flat-out stole the interwebz from us. They were supposed to decentralize everything & empower us - & the opposite happened : the largest monopolies that have ever been. It boggles the mind to imagine what we could do now if it really was a free market...
	6:35pm neeelz: Thanks for link!
	6:35pm J Boogie: Martinibomb if I had licensing fees for every time some asshole stole something from me on Instagram, and profited, I’d be rich. It happens so much. Happened to me twice by artists with over 100k followers. The only way to fight back is to not participate in that grifting circle. This is also why I found the NFT thing to be so interesting.
	6:36pm Scott67: That's shitty MB! I wonder what someone would make of my Art? I don't have "friends" on Fakebook that I don't, or wouldn't have in life. So hope they wouldn't plagiarize me. Don't think they'd wanna claim my stuff as there own anyway. 😉
	6:37pm J Boogie: The wildest was when some overhyped gen z artist from Brooklyn literally made a painting of one of my photographs nd sold it for more than I probably make in a year
	6:38pm Erin in TO: Yaaaay! Thanks Mark, I'm excited for a new book endorsed by you <3
	6:38pm J Boogie: *said artist is notorious for this though and not loved by many fellow artists as a result. Social media is savage. I’m so happy to have a private life again. Only people seeing my work now is my gallery
	🤖 6:39pm Handy Haversack: Yay, Erin in TO! Congrats! Rev Rab: they sold us a bill of good and stole it. But we can keep telling them to give it back. Always: not in our names.
	6:39pm J Boogie: I’ve been thinking of just creating a photo blog from my website. And using Tinyletter to update my “followers”. Back to a mailing list
	6:40pm Martinibomb: @jBoogie I'm with ya on all this been thru it alllll - I've been really private with my work the last few years as well
	6:40pm northguineahills: Also, at $10/month S4L will give you random swag from the marathons past in the warehouse....
	6:40pm J Boogie: WFMU glistener our here in Mt Shasta CA
	6:41pm Scott67: J Boogie, that's scary man! My photos could be paintings already.
	6:42pm J Boogie: @martinibomb yeah it’s critical for an artist to not always have eyes on their process. That becomes so problematic for so many reasons. So not into that Instagram art style either... of constantly looking over your shoulder, comparing, counting likes and followers. What a clown show.
	6:42pm northguineahills: I used to get random tchotchke in the mail when I had S4L.....
	🤖 6:42pm PaulRobeson1920: Art is funny! Some of the greatest art gets washed out to sea and only a hand full of people or no people, ever get to see it
	6:43pm steveo: Handy -- i understand you can purchase additional chests, as needed, on the internet
	6:43pm northguineahills: tchottchkes....
	6:43pm Dayffid: donating to WFMU is similar to getting off instagram etc. If you examine your life to see what is really important you will see that it can indeed be done.
	6:43pm J Boogie: I am probably gonna go S4L this marathon. I already pledged (for you Sheila! And Fabio and Jesse). Just gotta see about a few things.
	6:43pm melinda: @J Boogie I have an art blog I've neglected over the years but I feel it's important to maintain my own site away from the social media platforms so I keep it up.
	6:43pm Mike W: new t-shirt idea, “i got doxxed on Techtonic”
	6:44pm J Boogie: We have the comments board. That means more than a feed
	6:44pm Martinibomb: @JBoogie 100% I've been thinking about that a lot - I think the process and just making art is more important than the end product
	6:44pm Miss G: aarggghh The page for pledging won't load so will catch y'all next week. Will look forward to the archive. Guess I'll hit my DVD of Terry Gilliam's "Brazil" tonight.
	6:44pm northguineahills: one more time, tchotchkes....
	6:44pm Dayffid: Love this DJ duo!
	6:44pm Jett: In the car, on the road but listening.@djsheilab much love to you. I love his show also.
	6:44pm Wretch: Do you do Zoom, Mark? Class of 1990 has had some recent meet ups... organized on Facebook.
	🤖 6:45pm Handy Haversack: steveo, amazing! I will use a responsible search engine to look for extra chests. Imagine if we find out that Matt W's echo machine has been recording us all along!
	🤖 6:45pm Handy Haversack: We're all in this together, Miss G!
	6:45pm J Boogie: Tumblr used to be pretty rad when it was totally NSFW haha
	6:46pm J Boogie: I feel like Tumblr is still pretty decent. Just more censored. But doesn’t seem as evil
	6:46pm Scott67: I only chuck a little Art on Fakebook for my friends to see. I never really think it would be stolen.
	6:46pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Handy in Tech anything is possible - & politics can shift as well. These monopolies are so huge though - I fear they'll kick & scream & go nuclear worse than DonaldDrumpf if we try & demote them... I think more & more people are getting wise to what social media is like & what it does to them - & what the profit motivations really are... I 'll be interested to see what the new Admin in D.C. does about the tech monopolies - & where we are after a few years... The pandemic of course intersects this massively - isolating everyone & profiting the tech titans - massively - & if we get past covid I'll be interested to see what Biden has time for... & mid-term elections - &tc.
	6:47pm J Boogie: Yeah Instagram does NOT let you go easily. I had to get back on for something quick and was so mad to see that they make you wait a week to deactivate again
	🤖 6:47pm Tank Top: it's called "hate bait"
	6:48pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Seems you can never eliminate your account - just 'shut it down' ?? :/
	🤖 6:49pm Webhamster Henry: Well, I bet you could banned pretty easily if you really want to get off Facebook. You'd lose your real-world friends who are still on Facebook if they don't get what you are doing.
	6:49pm Martinibomb: @Jboogie I have a show on Sheenas/WFMU and am planning to add more art talk into it - def wanna interview ya
	6:49pm Dayffid: I am ready to get off. I have been for while I think, and this show has really given me the desire to JUST DO IT
	6:49pm neeelz: It's so hard to get off IG. Turning off notifications has been a helpful step.
	6:49pm Ike: So eloquently put, Sheila!
	🤖 6:50pm Webhamster Henry: It's kind of like how I suddenly had hours of time available after I stopped watching TV in th late 70s.
	6:51pm J Boogie: That’s right Sheila!
	6:51pm Dayffid: Listening to Sheila, I feel excited about the rest of my life for the first time in while
	6:52pm J Boogie: @martinibomb would love to. You can send me an email to... wait can I do that here? When’s your show?
	6:52pm listener james from westwood: Been silent so far but HEAR HEAR, SHEILA, and well said!!
	🤖 6:52pm tim from champaign (now washington): At the risk of sounding self-righteous, a huge reason for not engaging digitally while I'm at home is to set a good example for my young kids. I'm sure it's a losing battle but I want them to know that the world exists outside of the phone, not on it.
	6:52pm Martinibomb: @Jboogie yeh just go to my wfmu profile and you can email me. I'm on hiatus right now but coming back next month.
	6:53pm J Boogie: I didn’t find Instagram hard to get off of this time. I relate to Sheila’s experience. The moment I logged off the final time it felt like I could breathe again
	6:54pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Think my experience is so different... I'm not Urban. I'm poor. I'm not 'popular' - online or off... On faceborg - I connect w/ 'friends' I don't expect to ever meet in meatspace. That's true right here as well ! ...All of you, more or less... faceborg is the new telephone, the new television, the new magazine publisher, the new newspaper... only it's also - not one of those simultaneously...
	6:54pm J Boogie: @martinibomb got it! Will be in touch. Thanks!
	6:54pm Martinibomb: @jBoogie Looking fwd to chatting with you in the future
	6:55pm J Boogie: Likewise Martinibomb!
	6:55pm Otis Fodder: Thanks Mark & Sheila and WFMU community, see you soon in another woof moo magical chat. Wonderful fund drive we have here.
	6:55pm neeelz: I finally stopped using Amazon then I was gifted a Kindle -_-
	6:56pm J Boogie: Rabbit: same here and I totally see that utility in social media. It’s just that it’s been overrun by algorithms and other nonsense that turns me off personally
	🤖 6:57pm Handy Haversack: You're popular right damn here, Rev Rab! In this apartment at least! Great team-up, Mark and Sheila! Even better than Spider-man and Colossus! Quake, O ye forces of oppression, coercion, surveillance, and capital! For the double-headed beast of awareness has awakened on WFMU, and it knows what you've been up to! Be well, friends. Stay mad.
	6:57pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Amazon & Unions (GA) of course a major headline right now...
	6:57pm Sonderangebot: me scrambling to find the best way to buy the listed books in the most ethical way in Canada thanks Mark & Sheila!
	6:57pm J Boogie: I’m activating my Light Phone pretty soon. As soon as I get my iPad fixed because my iPhone is on its last legs haha.
	6:57pm Otis Fodder: Me too Sonder
	6:58pm Mary: Lynette Yiodem- Boakye She copied a photo of a dance I had made in agreement with the choreographer and dancers; she made my photo into a painting, Everything inc the edge of the frame- hands toward edge, exact same clothing, lighting and hair bounce. She did change the skin tone and used the medium of paint. The choreographer felt violated too. We sought legal advice and did not have the $ to pursue. Though there was a chance we would have won, I'm sort of known in this small scene. LYB "found it on the internet" so "It's mine" LY-B always says she makes paintings from her imagination" on her gallery site and in interview's in NYT et al . I and choreographer understand art stuff- about homage, appropriation , collaboration etc. This outright stealing with the artist yakking about her imagination was/is, can u tell? infuriating. A copyright lawyer told me to never post on Instagram. I never have. and won't
	6:58pm Rich in Washington: Thanks, Mark and Sheila B!
	6:58pm Scott67: Thanks Mark & Sheila! For the knowledge & passion. 😎🤙🌏
	6:58pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Bernie says everyone looks to D.C. to change things - but WallStreet has @ least as much Power. Of course Silicon Valley is another corner of the triangle... Not elected, unimpeachable, no competition possible...
	🤖 6:59pm PaulRobeson1920: Yellow Journalism sold like hot cakes... similar dynamic at play with facebook sensationalism/click bate? @Webhamster Henry nice. Neil Postman helped me to turn off the T.V for good in 2014/2015
	6:59pm watchpocket: The Free Software Foundation and EFF highlight these issues for geeks, but Mark is the only one highlighting them for ordinary mortals. thanks, Mark!
	🤖 6:59pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark & Sheila! Keep fighting the good fight!
	6:59pm Dayffid: Mark and Sheila = Dream Team
	6:59pm Erin in TO: Thanks Mark & Sheila!
	🤖 6:59pm tim from champaign (now washington): Great job Sheila and Mark! Way to go!
	6:59pm P-90: Congratulations and thanks @ Mark and Sheila B!
	🤖 6:59pm PaulRobeson1920: Thank you Mark and Sheila and Skeltons! Peace and LoVe One and All! <3
	6:59pm neeelz: Thanks Mark and Sheila! !
	🤖 7:00pm Handy Haversack: Yes, Ruth! Yes, Scott! Thanks, WFMU!
	7:00pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: watchpocket - that is on point.
	🤖 7:00pm DjLorraine: 💕
	7:00pm J Boogie: @Mary I’m sorry that happened. Ugh. These people. Jamain Julian Villani was the artist that stole my photo
	7:00pm J Boogie: Great show guys
	🤖 7:00pm Ken From Hyde Park: Yay, thank you!
	🤖 7:00pm Webhamster Henry: ... and trash Twitter

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from March 8, 2021

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Year	Format	Comments	Images	New * / Special ***	Approx. start time
Fundraising marathon show w/cohost Sheila B, who talks about getting off social media.
Tomaš Dvořák	Game Boy Tune "Game Boy Tune" by "Tomaš Dvořák"
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Listener comments!
	6:00pm ultradamno: Mark! Techsphitocates!
	🤖 6:01pm Ken From Hyde Park: Techtonicated Boom Boom!
	🤖 6:01pm Handy Haversack: Mark and Techyon Drives! The Techgin is Techrye, but I am still ready for tonic! And so glad we get to here more about Sheila B divesting from the social media industrial complex! Yo, ultradamno! Happy Marathon!
	6:01pm P-90: Greetonic!
	6:01pm djsheilab: Welcome Techtonic gang!
	6:02pm J Boogie: Sheila B!
	🤖 6:02pm Webhamster Henry: Hi Mark & Sheila B!
	6:03pm Otis Fodder: Hello Sheila and Mark and fellow Tonics!
	6:03pm Glistener MW: Happy marathon, all! I’ve upped my swag for life monthly pledge to WFMU — up yours! ^_^
	6:03pm ultradamno: Hiya Handy!
	6:03pm J Boogie: I hope we’re going to be talking about boycotting social media in favor of... WFMU community!
	🤖 6:04pm tim from champaign (now washington): Sheila B! Woohoo! Give 'em hell Sheila and Mark!
	🤖 6:04pm Handy Haversack: Yeah, Glistener MW! Way to up yours!! (Sorry to spoil the reveal -- I didn't realize it was a secret. Gah.) Yaaaaay, Sheila!
	🤖 6:04pm PaulRobeson1920: Goood evening Ya’ll! WFMU <3
	🤖 6:04pm Bas NL: Mark! Sheila! People! Marathon!
	6:04pm melinda: hi Mark, Sheila, techtons!
	6:05pm Sonderangebot: Happy Marathon Mark, Sheila and everyone.
	6:05pm harry j: olivia rules
	6:05pm J Boogie: Sheila is the best kind of DJ
	6:05pm Otis Fodder: The Boom Boom is also a long-time fav, since there was a charming cha-cha dance.
	🤖 6:06pm Handy Haversack: Bas! tim! melinda! Ken! PR1920! We have proselytized Techtonic, Sophisticated Boom Boom, and Marty McSorley to pretty much everyone we know over and over now. Bringing the passion!
	6:06pm J Boogie: Pledge! Pledge! Pledge!
	6:06pm ultradamno: Nice April March & Olivia show this week, btw!
	6:07pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Remember when SheilaB was earrrly in the morning in the middle of the week ! Great immediately of course - perfect Friday when Werk gets out...
	6:07pm -Ken: Hi everybody
	6:07pm WantageInsomniac: Mark and Sheila, thanks so much
	6:08pm Erin in TO: My first exposure to WFMU was actually during the marathon in 2019...the obvious passion of all the djs for their shows and the station in that time was part of what got me hooked. I've been a swag for lifer ever since!
	6:08pm Erin in TO: And this show is one of my faves! Mark is awesome!
	6:09pm -Ken: But Mark, you should show the back side of the shirt also, where it says "But Twitter? No problem."
	6:09pm Jim the Poet: Nice shirt
	6:10pm ultradamno: A much better sign off than "smell you later"
	6:10pm J Boogie: I wish I could break free from Amazon and Apple. But I live in a very remote area and both are kind of lifesavers at times. That said, I loathe both companies. Hey at least I’m free of Zuck
	6:10pm harry j: Wfmu the only cure
	6:10pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: 'Be seeing you'... like on The Prisoner...
	6:11pm ARB: Twitter? Forgett'er!
	6:11pm Scott67: G'day Mark & Sheila & Tech support! ✌😎🌏🌞❤
	6:11pm Otis Fodder: You got that right ARB.
	6:12pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: I'm always on faceborg. Awful I know. Need the Monopoly broken so someone can do a better job w/ it...
	6:12pm Scott67: Birds tweet!
	🤖 6:12pm PaulRobeson1920: Hahahahaahaha!!!
	6:12pm ultradamno: It's the place where you can go to be morally indignant about Pepé Le Pew and see it trend for days.
	6:12pm Otis Fodder: This is my social platform. I have a little place by the sea, just down the surf from Sheena's Jungle Room. Drop by anytime and have a cocktail.
	6:13pm J Boogie: Mark - I could check the archives but have you done a show on getting away from smartphones? I bought a Light Phone at the end of 2020 and have been incredibly impressed with the philosophy behind it and the creators (who are artists in Brooklyn). Would be a great guest. Joe... last name escapes me
	6:13pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ultrad ...two beats til I remember that's literal...
	6:13pm northguineahills: Shouldn't the shirt be called an oculus?
	🤖 6:13pm tim from champaign (now washington): Re: the photo on the playlist. A local bookstore in my town had the same signs. I live across the Puget Sound from Seattle so the bookstore had an additional sign that read "AMAZON IS NOT A LOCAL BUSINESS".
	6:14pm Scott67: Otis, I will get there one day mate! 😎🌴🌊
	6:15pm Otis Fodder: Food is on me Scott!
	6:15pm Scott Williams: J Boogie, you're thinking of Joe Hollier, Mark's guest from Dec 2019! www.wfmu.org...
	6:15pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: J Boogie I now he's discussed smartphones a great deal in various contexts - including the nasty little ways they keep one's dopamine firing compulsively... Maybe looking @ playlist can tell when...
	🤖 6:15pm Ken From Hyde Park: Next year's prize can be an iron-on patch saying "Toss Twittter" that folks can use to update the shirts.
	🤖 6:15pm Handy Haversack: Excellent, tim! Though I'm afraid you have once again activated the Drone Protocol. That's strike two, mister. Mark's being on Twitter is literally the last pathetic self-justification I can use in the dark reaches of the night for not having nuked my Gmail account yet.
	6:16pm Cp304: Hey Mark & peoples.
	6:16pm ?: What was the name of that book Mark had mentioned about family members unlocking social media accounts?
	6:16pm J Boogie: Scott Williams - huge thank you! Queued!
	🤖 6:16pm Webhamster Henry: @J Boogie: Here's the Light Phone show: www.wfmu.org...
	6:17pm Otis Fodder: Lots of fantastic prizes this fundraiser. More clothing for another year as it seems like this days inside, 50% or more of what I wear is Woof Moo branded.
	6:17pm J Boogie: Rabbit: my question was specific to the Light Phone. Happy to hear there’s already an episode
	6:18pm Otis Fodder: Speaking of tools, thanks Mark... moved from LastPass this past week to BitWarden for a Password Manager thanks to YOUR site.
	6:18pm J Boogie: Thank you Henry!
	🤖 6:19pm Handy Haversack: Techtonic is an absolute good in the world. It's shocking how much resistance I find just talking about the things that Mark delves deeply into for us. Imagine if this were some sort of podcast looking for a home. Never happen. No ad-driveb hosting platform would touch it. But we get it every week for free. Free! I am happy to send in what I can so that Techtonic can keep going out over the airwaves. I value it more than I even know how to say. Same for all of WFMU, but Techtonic feels like a secret defender, always in my corner, telling me that it's OK to stay angry, to stay skeptical, to keep insisting there are other ways. Thank you, Mark. Thank you, WFMU.
	🤖 6:19pm Webhamster Henry: @J Boogie all in a day's work for The Webhamster!
	6:20pm J Boogie: Stoked for this interview. I’ve also had such a tortured relationship with social media. It’s so toxic
	6:22pm Cp304: The need for the dopamine is what they say
	6:22pm steveo: /pedanticguy This is a podcast, too!
	6:22pm J Boogie: Yes to all of this, Sheila. It’s so awful
	🤖 6:22pm Tank Top: That was great sheila
	6:22pm northguineahills: My digital addiction issue that I comment on WFMU (sometimes to my own detriment).
	6:23pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Never bothered w/ instagram or twitter...
	6:23pm Cp304: No soc nets for me. This place a few blogs and No Agenda mastodon. I use the Twitter to keep up with dis and artists only.
	6:23pm J Boogie: This show is invaluable. Pledge! This show is also not a podcast. Pledge!
	6:24pm P-90: The sharing and posting and checking for likes produces a little rush of dopamine in your nervous system. Which reinforces the behavior in a loop. Yes, that’s a kind of addiction.
	6:25pm J Boogie: Commenting here is different. It’s more of a conversation
	6:25pm J Boogie: BUCK THE ZUCK!
	6:26pm Erin in TO: @P-90 it's the same mechanism they get you with in video games, where you get that little rush every time you check for loot, and that's definitely additive
	6:26pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: On faceborg all the time... Wishing the Monopolies could be broken - so a competitor may be more transparent - & serve us better too. A pipe dream. But nothing is impossible...
	6:26pm J Boogie: Link to that show?
	🤖 6:26pm PaulRobeson1920: Thank you Sheila & Mark! Wow
	6:26pm northguineahills: I have a twatter account (never posted), and instagram (again never posted), but use it to access other posts when applicable. i only use FB for two good friend's w/o phones to communicate w/ them, and my former Japanese neighbors...
	6:27pm Miss G: I think that William Deresiewicz interview was my first Techtonic and I was crying with gratitude
	6:27pm J Boogie: I just went back on FB for the weekend... for the express purpose of using Marketplace for a minute. Deactivated this morning
	6:27pm Miss G: my internet is out since days but i wanted to pop on and support an important show, thanks Mark Hurst and Sheila B! (streaming is wonky for me but comments are posting)
	🤖 6:27pm Handy Haversack: I share that story all the time in trying to encourage nonprofits and artists to divest from social media. Here ya go, J Boogie: www.wfmu.org...
	6:27pm Jeff Golick: This program got me to read Shoshana Zuboff's book, which I will never shut up about.
	6:27pm Cp304: Exactly, you don’t need algos
	6:27pm Martinibomb: What do folks think of non-fungible tokens for selling "original" digital art/music? I bought that book Death of the Artist too
	6:28pm J Boogie: The numbers thing is maddening to me. Instagram artists have fallen deep into that stupid game
	6:28pm Otis Fodder: Beautiful... small true audience. Those who care and we find connections. More true ones.
	6:28pm Marci: It’s difficult to divest from SM when you own a small businesses 😒
	6:29pm Martinibomb: I hate posting my art to social media I feel like I'm providing free entertainment for the Mark Zs of the world to make a buck off
	🤖 6:30pm tim from champaign (now washington): I read a recent quote from guitarist Bill McKay who said his landlord knocks off $25 from his rent whenever he shoveled the walk. He has made more money shoveling snow than from plays on Spotify.
	6:30pm J Boogie: I’m starting to shoot 35mm photography again and for a second remembered what Instagram (pre Zuck) was all about (pre algorithm) in the first place. It bummed me out. Something that I’d otherwise use to share my work with friends... I’ll just have to build my own website I guess
	6:30pm Scott67: MB, some of my friends use watermarks on their Art on Fakebook.
	6:31pm Peter from Dover NJ: Mark and Sheila. Perhaps you've covered this before, but.... your thoughts on Bandcamp?
	6:31pm J Boogie: NFTs are pretty fascinating
	6:31pm ultradamno: The guy from Ripple was on Axios yesterday. He was very intent on using the phrase "crypto industry" as much as he could, which seemed like a concerted effort to make it seem tangible. I don't know a lot about NFTs, but they seem like another way to get you to spend money on things you never really own.
	6:31pm J Boogie: Hype bubble right now though. I’m not buying
	6:31pm Martinibomb: @scott I've had work stolen and put on bags I've had other artists steal my style it's all brutal
	🤖 6:31pm Handy Haversack: I love that Sheila is not just the MC but the guest this week! Way to score the celebs, Mark! What a get! Sheila's show is fan-damn-tastic! Check it out if you don't know it and pledge to both! Yo, Peter! I can tell you I know Sheila is a fan of Bandcamp.
	6:32pm ultradamno: That said, "Crypto Industry" would be a great Helios Creed title.
	6:32pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Sorry if linking to this once again is a drag : psychedelicsalon.com... - as I often have - & it's nothing new for this Program. But - it's a great talk about what the business models of the biggest tech giant monopolies are - & even what should be done abut it.
	🤖 6:32pm tim from champaign (now washington): Handy - I just saw your post. I'm on thin ice!
	6:33pm Sonderangebot: J Boogie, flickr still exists for photosharing even though it's not as "cool" as Insta. :)
	🤖 6:33pm Handy Haversack: tim: please review your experience to help us serve you better!
	🤖 6:34pm Handy Haversack: Techtonic reading list: lombardoc4.github.io...
	6:35pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: They flat-out stole the interwebz from us. They were supposed to decentralize everything & empower us - & the opposite happened : the largest monopolies that have ever been. It boggles the mind to imagine what we could do now if it really was a free market...
	6:35pm neeelz: Thanks for link!
	6:35pm J Boogie: Martinibomb if I had licensing fees for every time some asshole stole something from me on Instagram, and profited, I’d be rich. It happens so much. Happened to me twice by artists with over 100k followers. The only way to fight back is to not participate in that grifting circle. This is also why I found the NFT thing to be so interesting.
	6:36pm Scott67: That's shitty MB! I wonder what someone would make of my Art? I don't have "friends" on Fakebook that I don't, or wouldn't have in life. So hope they wouldn't plagiarize me. Don't think they'd wanna claim my stuff as there own anyway. 😉
	6:37pm J Boogie: The wildest was when some overhyped gen z artist from Brooklyn literally made a painting of one of my photographs nd sold it for more than I probably make in a year
	6:38pm Erin in TO: Yaaaay! Thanks Mark, I'm excited for a new book endorsed by you <3
	6:38pm J Boogie: *said artist is notorious for this though and not loved by many fellow artists as a result. Social media is savage. I’m so happy to have a private life again. Only people seeing my work now is my gallery
	🤖 6:39pm Handy Haversack: Yay, Erin in TO! Congrats! Rev Rab: they sold us a bill of good and stole it. But we can keep telling them to give it back. Always: not in our names.
	6:39pm J Boogie: I’ve been thinking of just creating a photo blog from my website. And using Tinyletter to update my “followers”. Back to a mailing list
	6:40pm Martinibomb: @jBoogie I'm with ya on all this been thru it alllll - I've been really private with my work the last few years as well
	6:40pm northguineahills: Also, at $10/month S4L will give you random swag from the marathons past in the warehouse....
	6:40pm J Boogie: WFMU glistener our here in Mt Shasta CA
	6:41pm Scott67: J Boogie, that's scary man! My photos could be paintings already.
	6:42pm J Boogie: @martinibomb yeah it’s critical for an artist to not always have eyes on their process. That becomes so problematic for so many reasons. So not into that Instagram art style either... of constantly looking over your shoulder, comparing, counting likes and followers. What a clown show.
	6:42pm northguineahills: I used to get random tchotchke in the mail when I had S4L.....
	🤖 6:42pm PaulRobeson1920: Art is funny! Some of the greatest art gets washed out to sea and only a hand full of people or no people, ever get to see it
	6:43pm steveo: Handy -- i understand you can purchase additional chests, as needed, on the internet
	6:43pm northguineahills: tchottchkes....
	6:43pm Dayffid: donating to WFMU is similar to getting off instagram etc. If you examine your life to see what is really important you will see that it can indeed be done.
	6:43pm J Boogie: I am probably gonna go S4L this marathon. I already pledged (for you Sheila! And Fabio and Jesse). Just gotta see about a few things.
	6:43pm melinda: @J Boogie I have an art blog I've neglected over the years but I feel it's important to maintain my own site away from the social media platforms so I keep it up.
	6:43pm Mike W: new t-shirt idea, “i got doxxed on Techtonic”
	6:44pm J Boogie: We have the comments board. That means more than a feed
	6:44pm Martinibomb: @JBoogie 100% I've been thinking about that a lot - I think the process and just making art is more important than the end product
	6:44pm Miss G: aarggghh The page for pledging won't load so will catch y'all next week. Will look forward to the archive. Guess I'll hit my DVD of Terry Gilliam's "Brazil" tonight.
	6:44pm northguineahills: one more time, tchotchkes....
	6:44pm Dayffid: Love this DJ duo!
	6:44pm Jett: In the car, on the road but listening.@djsheilab much love to you. I love his show also.
	6:44pm Wretch: Do you do Zoom, Mark? Class of 1990 has had some recent meet ups... organized on Facebook.
	🤖 6:45pm Handy Haversack: steveo, amazing! I will use a responsible search engine to look for extra chests. Imagine if we find out that Matt W's echo machine has been recording us all along!
	🤖 6:45pm Handy Haversack: We're all in this together, Miss G!
	6:45pm J Boogie: Tumblr used to be pretty rad when it was totally NSFW haha
	6:46pm J Boogie: I feel like Tumblr is still pretty decent. Just more censored. But doesn’t seem as evil
	6:46pm Scott67: I only chuck a little Art on Fakebook for my friends to see. I never really think it would be stolen.
	6:46pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Handy in Tech anything is possible - & politics can shift as well. These monopolies are so huge though - I fear they'll kick & scream & go nuclear worse than DonaldDrumpf if we try & demote them... I think more & more people are getting wise to what social media is like & what it does to them - & what the profit motivations really are... I 'll be interested to see what the new Admin in D.C. does about the tech monopolies - & where we are after a few years... The pandemic of course intersects this massively - isolating everyone & profiting the tech titans - massively - & if we get past covid I'll be interested to see what Biden has time for... & mid-term elections - &tc.
	6:47pm J Boogie: Yeah Instagram does NOT let you go easily. I had to get back on for something quick and was so mad to see that they make you wait a week to deactivate again
	🤖 6:47pm Tank Top: it's called "hate bait"
	6:48pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Seems you can never eliminate your account - just 'shut it down' ?? :/
	🤖 6:49pm Webhamster Henry: Well, I bet you could banned pretty easily if you really want to get off Facebook. You'd lose your real-world friends who are still on Facebook if they don't get what you are doing.
	6:49pm Martinibomb: @Jboogie I have a show on Sheenas/WFMU and am planning to add more art talk into it - def wanna interview ya
	6:49pm Dayffid: I am ready to get off. I have been for while I think, and this show has really given me the desire to JUST DO IT
	6:49pm neeelz: It's so hard to get off IG. Turning off notifications has been a helpful step.
	6:49pm Ike: So eloquently put, Sheila!
	🤖 6:50pm Webhamster Henry: It's kind of like how I suddenly had hours of time available after I stopped watching TV in th late 70s.
	6:51pm J Boogie: That’s right Sheila!
	6:51pm Dayffid: Listening to Sheila, I feel excited about the rest of my life for the first time in while
	6:52pm J Boogie: @martinibomb would love to. You can send me an email to... wait can I do that here? When’s your show?
	6:52pm listener james from westwood: Been silent so far but HEAR HEAR, SHEILA, and well said!!
	🤖 6:52pm tim from champaign (now washington): At the risk of sounding self-righteous, a huge reason for not engaging digitally while I'm at home is to set a good example for my young kids. I'm sure it's a losing battle but I want them to know that the world exists outside of the phone, not on it.
	6:52pm Martinibomb: @Jboogie yeh just go to my wfmu profile and you can email me. I'm on hiatus right now but coming back next month.
	6:53pm J Boogie: I didn’t find Instagram hard to get off of this time. I relate to Sheila’s experience. The moment I logged off the final time it felt like I could breathe again
	6:54pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Think my experience is so different... I'm not Urban. I'm poor. I'm not 'popular' - online or off... On faceborg - I connect w/ 'friends' I don't expect to ever meet in meatspace. That's true right here as well ! ...All of you, more or less... faceborg is the new telephone, the new television, the new magazine publisher, the new newspaper... only it's also - not one of those simultaneously...
	6:54pm J Boogie: @martinibomb got it! Will be in touch. Thanks!
	6:54pm Martinibomb: @jBoogie Looking fwd to chatting with you in the future
	6:55pm J Boogie: Likewise Martinibomb!
	6:55pm Otis Fodder: Thanks Mark & Sheila and WFMU community, see you soon in another woof moo magical chat. Wonderful fund drive we have here.
	6:55pm neeelz: I finally stopped using Amazon then I was gifted a Kindle -_-
	6:56pm J Boogie: Rabbit: same here and I totally see that utility in social media. It’s just that it’s been overrun by algorithms and other nonsense that turns me off personally
	🤖 6:57pm Handy Haversack: You're popular right damn here, Rev Rab! In this apartment at least! Great team-up, Mark and Sheila! Even better than Spider-man and Colossus! Quake, O ye forces of oppression, coercion, surveillance, and capital! For the double-headed beast of awareness has awakened on WFMU, and it knows what you've been up to! Be well, friends. Stay mad.
	6:57pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Amazon & Unions (GA) of course a major headline right now...
	6:57pm Sonderangebot: me scrambling to find the best way to buy the listed books in the most ethical way in Canada thanks Mark & Sheila!
	6:57pm J Boogie: I’m activating my Light Phone pretty soon. As soon as I get my iPad fixed because my iPhone is on its last legs haha.
	6:57pm Otis Fodder: Me too Sonder
	6:58pm Mary: Lynette Yiodem- Boakye She copied a photo of a dance I had made in agreement with the choreographer and dancers; she made my photo into a painting, Everything inc the edge of the frame- hands toward edge, exact same clothing, lighting and hair bounce. She did change the skin tone and used the medium of paint. The choreographer felt violated too. We sought legal advice and did not have the $ to pursue. Though there was a chance we would have won, I'm sort of known in this small scene. LYB "found it on the internet" so "It's mine" LY-B always says she makes paintings from her imagination" on her gallery site and in interview's in NYT et al . I and choreographer understand art stuff- about homage, appropriation , collaboration etc. This outright stealing with the artist yakking about her imagination was/is, can u tell? infuriating. A copyright lawyer told me to never post on Instagram. I never have. and won't
	6:58pm Rich in Washington: Thanks, Mark and Sheila B!
	6:58pm Scott67: Thanks Mark & Sheila! For the knowledge & passion. 😎🤙🌏
	6:58pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Bernie says everyone looks to D.C. to change things - but WallStreet has @ least as much Power. Of course Silicon Valley is another corner of the triangle... Not elected, unimpeachable, no competition possible...
	🤖 6:59pm PaulRobeson1920: Yellow Journalism sold like hot cakes... similar dynamic at play with facebook sensationalism/click bate? @Webhamster Henry nice. Neil Postman helped me to turn off the T.V for good in 2014/2015
	6:59pm watchpocket: The Free Software Foundation and EFF highlight these issues for geeks, but Mark is the only one highlighting them for ordinary mortals. thanks, Mark!
	🤖 6:59pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark & Sheila! Keep fighting the good fight!
	6:59pm Dayffid: Mark and Sheila = Dream Team
	6:59pm Erin in TO: Thanks Mark & Sheila!
	🤖 6:59pm tim from champaign (now washington): Great job Sheila and Mark! Way to go!
	6:59pm P-90: Congratulations and thanks @ Mark and Sheila B!
	🤖 6:59pm PaulRobeson1920: Thank you Mark and Sheila and Skeltons! Peace and LoVe One and All! <3
	6:59pm neeelz: Thanks Mark and Sheila! !
	🤖 7:00pm Handy Haversack: Yes, Ruth! Yes, Scott! Thanks, WFMU!
	7:00pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: watchpocket - that is on point.
	🤖 7:00pm DjLorraine: 💕
	7:00pm J Boogie: @Mary I’m sorry that happened. Ugh. These people. Jamain Julian Villani was the artist that stole my photo
	7:00pm J Boogie: Great show guys
	🤖 7:00pm Ken From Hyde Park: Yay, thank you!
	🤖 7:00pm Webhamster Henry: ... and trash Twitter

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