WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from June 28, 2021

Listener comments!
	6:00pm ultradamno: Mark! Techtotham and all it's Whorrors!
	6:01pm David in London: Evening Mark and all Technoids.
	🤖 6:01pm Bas NL: Hi Mark! Markonistas!
	6:01pm P-90: So are you “in the zone” Mark?
	🤖 6:02pm Webhamster Henry: Hi Mark and (downstate) New Yorkers.
	6:02pm Fredericks: Tech Tok, Tech Tok
	6:02pm Roland from Australia: Hello and looking forward to the show as always.
	6:02pm Tristan in ptown: Happy to be plinking along!
	6:02pm listener james from westwood: Evening, Mark and all!
	6:04pm Listener Robert: Aw, I was hoping for symmetry tonight Techtonic would be all about Olivia.
	6:04pm Davi from br: Night, people
	🤖 6:05pm DjLorraine: Present
	6:05pm Old Dave: Currently 102 F in Seattle... Bill Gates in in Hell?
	🤖 6:06pm tim from washington: Hi Mark and folks!
	6:06pm chris in the redwoods: hi, Mark and folks!
	🤖 6:08pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hi, Mark. CNN headline this afternoon "Facebook hits $1 trillion market cap after federal court dismisses FTC antitrust complaint" ... Lame
	🤖 6:09pm DjLorraine: I'm off google voice.
	6:09pm mrdonutsu: By early 2ks, everyone was listening to their iPods tho.
	6:10pm HyperDose: This is going to be juicy
	6:10pm David in London: A little pre pandemic I walked the entire length of a tube train (subway train), from carriage to carriage, and I didn’t see a single person reading a book. Everyone was glued to a phone screen.
	🤖 6:10pm Handy Haversack: Hey, Mark and all the Techyon Drives. My face is always in a book on the subway, but I'm never in Facebook. And my head's on a pivot.
	6:10pm Rich in Washington: Romani ite domum
	6:11pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Triangle of D.C. / Wall Street / Silicon Valley ?
	6:12pm malĥerbo (nl): The horror!
	6:12pm Megaroni: Yes Techtonic- I feel like a renegade for pulling out my New Yorker magazine on the subway these days
	🤖 6:12pm PaulRobeson1920: Hello hello hello! Warm greetings all!
	6:12pm mrdonutsu: We really need to return NYC to the siloed domain of the financiers.
	6:13pm listener james from westwood: Just imagine finally getting back into NYC and going through thickets of phone-absorbed clowns like Robert Stack blasting his way through the various cult members in the airport in Airplane!.
	🤖 6:13pm Handy Haversack: My superhero identity is Diskonnect -- my only power is a weak telekinesis just powerful enough to slap the damn smartphone out of people's hands. But my power grows the deeper underground I go. The 7 and E in Manhattan are my patrol!
	6:13pm chris in the redwoods: money power and influence from the lower east side of Manhattan, Mark?
	6:13pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: As Burroughs said - the Machine eats Quality & shits Quantity. Perhaps the Grey Goo has already begun.
	🤖 6:14pm tim from washington: Part pf the appeal of using public transportation is the opportunity to space out without any media stimuli.
	6:14pm Rich in Washington: Here in PDX (I claim Portland OR as my cultural home) we talk about how all those things that made Portland Portland are slowly and one-by-one being replaced by condos, absentee owners, big box retail and increased corporatization.
	6:14pm Mark Hurst: Hi all, thanks for joining in this evening!
	6:14pm Rich in Washington: always loved that Burroughs quite RRN63
	6:15pm Davefrom Brooklyn: Back in the 80s,way before the computer phones arrived, I was miffed at how people would get into an elevator and look up at the monitor showing what floor we were on. Eyes averted, no talking to one another.
	6:15pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: en.wikipedia.org...
	6:15pm Mark Hurst: @Rich sounds like the same story - condos, absentee owners, corporatization & all the financialization that undergirds all of those trends
	6:16pm Mark Hurst: @James from Westwood there's a fun gif animation out there showing that Airplane! scene with subtitles showing the names of all the different socmedia services
	6:17pm ultradamno: So where's the guy who wrote the article about how the city was dead some months ago?
	🤖 6:18pm tim from washington: Where did Craig move from prior to NYC?
	6:18pm Mark Hurst: @ultradamno i really enjoyed Jerry Seinfeld's riposte to that guy - www.nytimes.com...
	6:18pm Mark Hurst: @Tim if i remember right, Craig moved to NYC straight from London, though he's originally from Canada
	🤖 6:19pm tim from washington: Thanks, Mark.
	🤖 6:19pm Webhamster Henry: You NY Oral History fans might also like Jeff Kisseloff's YOU MUST REMEMBER THIS - with interviews from people who lived (20th c) history in different NYC neighborhoods.
	6:19pm listener james from westwood: @Mark that sounds amazing and entirely relatable. Who wouldn't want to do a judo flip on Facebook?
	6:20pm Mark Hurst: @Webham good pointer, thanks
	6:21pm The Butterman: Hey, I was assaulted on the subway in ‘97 for locking eyes for a nanosecond with a guy who was staring at me. Wish I had a cell phone to stare at back then!
	🤖 6:21pm Webhamster Henry: @Mark I am a Creative Goodnik!
	🤖 6:21pm tim from washington: This sounds like a good companion to many Studs Terkel's books.
	🤖 6:22pm Webhamster Henry: Those bus riders were humming the theme from Midnight Cowboy.
	6:24pm chris in the redwoods: i tease you, Mark for your California bashing - Per Se is owned and run by a Californian. ;)
	🤖 6:27pm Handy Haversack: Let's not forget The Dusty Show for interviews with NYCers as well. www.wfmu.org...
	6:27pm mrdonutsu: Hunh, I can set a hot pan on my granite counter top without issue. No NASA required.
	6:27pm Chris G: Hi Mark! Great intro to tonight's show and a topic we scratch our heads over often. I can only conclude that a majority of people are looking to tune out in public. I'm not sure we can blame technology any more than people's willingness to allow it to be all consuming. People seem to want to be disconnected from their surroundings. It began before smart phones. Like, Walkmans allowed people to tune out with headphones on in public. With each advancement in technology people found more ways to tune out and the smart phone has really magnified it. Crossing the street in NYC while having your phone up to your face really seems like, as a society, we've hit rock bottom.
	6:27pm Mark Hurst: @Handy yes! our own Clay Pigeon!
	6:30pm winston legthigh: good evenin mark, techies. handy!
	6:32pm chris in the redwoods: hear, hear, Mr Taylor. we need more listening and less judging/dismissing.
	6:33pm kevlicki: Good evening all, tuning in a bit late but happy to listen while weeding on the farm
	6:36pm Old Dave: On the Summer reading list Mark. You've never steered me wrong! Many thanks.
	6:38pm Mark Hurst: @Old Dave thanks! The book is really well done. Craig is modest about how skilled he is.
	6:44pm Vincent Nifigance: This is happening in many big Cities worldwide. It’s happening in Manchester, England.
	6:45pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ' To the System - a Forest has no Value until it is cut down. '
	6:45pm Mark Hurst: @Vincent yes - a global trend. Bob Ostertag in his recent Techtonic interview talked about hypergentrification in Vietnam, among other places.
	🤖 6:46pm tim from washington: I've got to split so thanks for the excellent interview, Mark. I'm really looking forward to reading this book.
	6:46pm Mark Hurst: @Tim thanks!
	6:48pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: More & More is owned by Fewer & Fewer. The Label may look the same. It is not. Temporary Autonomous Zone. We're Gypsies. Beat like old time lowdown.
	🤖 6:50pm Handy Haversack: winston! Thanks for this, Mark. Great talk. I miss the City -- that's always the lament of the NYCer.
	🤖 6:50pm Ken From Hyde Park: If they were to look up from their phones, they'd see the new Google store in Manhattan.
	6:52pm HyperDose: Wholesome
	6:53pm chris in the redwoods: thanks, Mark. you always bring us important content to consider. very grateful for your efforts and this show! i also look forward to picking up Craig Taylor's book. because, even as a Californian, i love NYC! :)
	6:54pm Erin in TO: Great interview Mark, loved it
	6:54pm listener 126464: Great listen, thanks Mark & Craig.
	6:55pm queems: plaza bagels in clifton nj are the best bagels in new york city
	6:55pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Mark! Thanks Craig! ...another book i'll have to special order from my library
	🤖 6:55pm PaulRobeson1920: Bagel Oasis exit 23? Off the Expressway. 24 hours a day
	6:55pm P-90: Thanks!
	6:55pm David in London: Thanks Mark.
	6:56pm Old Dave: As an agrarian/rural disciple of Wendell Berry I still feel compelled to understand. Peace and enjoy your time off!
	🤖 6:56pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark! Thanks Craig! And love your new T-Shirt Mark!
	6:56pm YesthatMattHall: One problem with the fetish for real estate and losing spaces like The Magic Factory involves America's loss of soft power, which was actually a vital piece of all the good parts of American geopolitical success. Like the Berlin Wall falling, and all those East Germans rushing to buy American records.
	🤖 6:56pm Ken From Hyde Park: Thanks, Mark. Permission to go back to staring at my phone again?
	6:56pm HyperDose: Loyal O'Bagel boi over here
	6:56pm listener 126464: Chris Stamey Big Band!
	6:57pm Roland from Australia: Enjoyed the show, thanks
	6:57pm Jeff Moore: Hmm. I can't yet disagree with your bagel judgement because I haven't yet tried your "Absolute Bagels". To be revisited...
	6:57pm kevlicki: Thanks mark, stay cool and safe everyone!
	6:57pm winston legthigh: thanks mark. pigeons scattered not likely.
	6:58pm WR: Best bagel.. LOL. PS: When does a person become a New Yorker. I say it is in the eye of the beholder. I've lived in NYC for 30 years and still say I am from, and list several places, none of which did I live at for anywhere near 30 years.
	🤖 6:58pm Ken From Hyde Park: 400 years ago, the city was a forest. What will it be 400 years from now? Amazing to think about.
	🤖 6:59pm PaulRobeson1920: Thank you Mark! Going back to Emile Durkheim- the poor are more accessible… Lots of research on city poor folk. The wealthy are understudied
	7:00pm WR: Another entertaining factoid, 90% of the time that i am looking at my phone I am on WFMU playlists.
	7:00pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone!
	7:00pm Rich in Washington: Thanks, Mark!
	7:01pm Jeff Moore: Of course, for decades it never occurred to me to go searching for some alternative "best bagel" because we always just picked up the bagels from the Broadway & 80th H&H (GONE!), then picked up a big beautiful pile of hand-sliced nova from Zabar's next door (the old guy behind the fish counter is dead now!) and it was hard to imagine anything better.
	7:02pm Mark Hurst: Yes - H&H was a viable competitor. But now there can only be one: Absolute Bagel.
	7:03pm WR: PPS: the book sounds very interesting. Thank you Mark!
	8:00pm Erin in TO: @Androu I immediately thought of Wing too

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from June 28, 2021

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June 28, 2021: Craig Taylor, author, "New Yorkers: A City and Its People in Our Time"

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Craig Taylor on his new oral history, "New Yorkers: A City and Its People in Our Time"
Tomaš Dvořák	Game Boy Tune "Game Boy Tune" by "Tomaš Dvořák"
	Mark's intro "Mark's intro"
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Listener comments!
	6:00pm ultradamno: Mark! Techtotham and all it's Whorrors!
	6:01pm David in London: Evening Mark and all Technoids.
	🤖 6:01pm Bas NL: Hi Mark! Markonistas!
	6:01pm P-90: So are you “in the zone” Mark?
	🤖 6:02pm Webhamster Henry: Hi Mark and (downstate) New Yorkers.
	6:02pm Fredericks: Tech Tok, Tech Tok
	6:02pm Roland from Australia: Hello and looking forward to the show as always.
	6:02pm Tristan in ptown: Happy to be plinking along!
	6:02pm listener james from westwood: Evening, Mark and all!
	6:04pm Listener Robert: Aw, I was hoping for symmetry tonight Techtonic would be all about Olivia.
	6:04pm Davi from br: Night, people
	🤖 6:05pm DjLorraine: Present
	6:05pm Old Dave: Currently 102 F in Seattle... Bill Gates in in Hell?
	🤖 6:06pm tim from washington: Hi Mark and folks!
	6:06pm chris in the redwoods: hi, Mark and folks!
	🤖 6:08pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hi, Mark. CNN headline this afternoon "Facebook hits $1 trillion market cap after federal court dismisses FTC antitrust complaint" ... Lame
	🤖 6:09pm DjLorraine: I'm off google voice.
	6:09pm mrdonutsu: By early 2ks, everyone was listening to their iPods tho.
	6:10pm HyperDose: This is going to be juicy
	6:10pm David in London: A little pre pandemic I walked the entire length of a tube train (subway train), from carriage to carriage, and I didn’t see a single person reading a book. Everyone was glued to a phone screen.
	🤖 6:10pm Handy Haversack: Hey, Mark and all the Techyon Drives. My face is always in a book on the subway, but I'm never in Facebook. And my head's on a pivot.
	6:10pm Rich in Washington: Romani ite domum
	6:11pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Triangle of D.C. / Wall Street / Silicon Valley ?
	6:12pm malĥerbo (nl): The horror!
	6:12pm Megaroni: Yes Techtonic- I feel like a renegade for pulling out my New Yorker magazine on the subway these days
	🤖 6:12pm PaulRobeson1920: Hello hello hello! Warm greetings all!
	6:12pm mrdonutsu: We really need to return NYC to the siloed domain of the financiers.
	6:13pm listener james from westwood: Just imagine finally getting back into NYC and going through thickets of phone-absorbed clowns like Robert Stack blasting his way through the various cult members in the airport in Airplane!.
	🤖 6:13pm Handy Haversack: My superhero identity is Diskonnect -- my only power is a weak telekinesis just powerful enough to slap the damn smartphone out of people's hands. But my power grows the deeper underground I go. The 7 and E in Manhattan are my patrol!
	6:13pm chris in the redwoods: money power and influence from the lower east side of Manhattan, Mark?
	6:13pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: As Burroughs said - the Machine eats Quality & shits Quantity. Perhaps the Grey Goo has already begun.
	🤖 6:14pm tim from washington: Part pf the appeal of using public transportation is the opportunity to space out without any media stimuli.
	6:14pm Rich in Washington: Here in PDX (I claim Portland OR as my cultural home) we talk about how all those things that made Portland Portland are slowly and one-by-one being replaced by condos, absentee owners, big box retail and increased corporatization.
	6:14pm Mark Hurst: Hi all, thanks for joining in this evening!
	6:14pm Rich in Washington: always loved that Burroughs quite RRN63
	6:15pm Davefrom Brooklyn: Back in the 80s,way before the computer phones arrived, I was miffed at how people would get into an elevator and look up at the monitor showing what floor we were on. Eyes averted, no talking to one another.
	6:15pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: en.wikipedia.org...
	6:15pm Mark Hurst: @Rich sounds like the same story - condos, absentee owners, corporatization & all the financialization that undergirds all of those trends
	6:16pm Mark Hurst: @James from Westwood there's a fun gif animation out there showing that Airplane! scene with subtitles showing the names of all the different socmedia services
	6:17pm ultradamno: So where's the guy who wrote the article about how the city was dead some months ago?
	🤖 6:18pm tim from washington: Where did Craig move from prior to NYC?
	6:18pm Mark Hurst: @ultradamno i really enjoyed Jerry Seinfeld's riposte to that guy - www.nytimes.com...
	6:18pm Mark Hurst: @Tim if i remember right, Craig moved to NYC straight from London, though he's originally from Canada
	🤖 6:19pm tim from washington: Thanks, Mark.
	🤖 6:19pm Webhamster Henry: You NY Oral History fans might also like Jeff Kisseloff's YOU MUST REMEMBER THIS - with interviews from people who lived (20th c) history in different NYC neighborhoods.
	6:19pm listener james from westwood: @Mark that sounds amazing and entirely relatable. Who wouldn't want to do a judo flip on Facebook?
	6:20pm Mark Hurst: @Webham good pointer, thanks
	6:21pm The Butterman: Hey, I was assaulted on the subway in ‘97 for locking eyes for a nanosecond with a guy who was staring at me. Wish I had a cell phone to stare at back then!
	🤖 6:21pm Webhamster Henry: @Mark I am a Creative Goodnik!
	🤖 6:21pm tim from washington: This sounds like a good companion to many Studs Terkel's books.
	🤖 6:22pm Webhamster Henry: Those bus riders were humming the theme from Midnight Cowboy.
	6:24pm chris in the redwoods: i tease you, Mark for your California bashing - Per Se is owned and run by a Californian. ;)
	🤖 6:27pm Handy Haversack: Let's not forget The Dusty Show for interviews with NYCers as well. www.wfmu.org...
	6:27pm mrdonutsu: Hunh, I can set a hot pan on my granite counter top without issue. No NASA required.
	6:27pm Chris G: Hi Mark! Great intro to tonight's show and a topic we scratch our heads over often. I can only conclude that a majority of people are looking to tune out in public. I'm not sure we can blame technology any more than people's willingness to allow it to be all consuming. People seem to want to be disconnected from their surroundings. It began before smart phones. Like, Walkmans allowed people to tune out with headphones on in public. With each advancement in technology people found more ways to tune out and the smart phone has really magnified it. Crossing the street in NYC while having your phone up to your face really seems like, as a society, we've hit rock bottom.
	6:27pm Mark Hurst: @Handy yes! our own Clay Pigeon!
	6:30pm winston legthigh: good evenin mark, techies. handy!
	6:32pm chris in the redwoods: hear, hear, Mr Taylor. we need more listening and less judging/dismissing.
	6:33pm kevlicki: Good evening all, tuning in a bit late but happy to listen while weeding on the farm
	6:36pm Old Dave: On the Summer reading list Mark. You've never steered me wrong! Many thanks.
	6:38pm Mark Hurst: @Old Dave thanks! The book is really well done. Craig is modest about how skilled he is.
	6:44pm Vincent Nifigance: This is happening in many big Cities worldwide. It’s happening in Manchester, England.
	6:45pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ' To the System - a Forest has no Value until it is cut down. '
	6:45pm Mark Hurst: @Vincent yes - a global trend. Bob Ostertag in his recent Techtonic interview talked about hypergentrification in Vietnam, among other places.
	🤖 6:46pm tim from washington: I've got to split so thanks for the excellent interview, Mark. I'm really looking forward to reading this book.
	6:46pm Mark Hurst: @Tim thanks!
	6:48pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: More & More is owned by Fewer & Fewer. The Label may look the same. It is not. Temporary Autonomous Zone. We're Gypsies. Beat like old time lowdown.
	🤖 6:50pm Handy Haversack: winston! Thanks for this, Mark. Great talk. I miss the City -- that's always the lament of the NYCer.
	🤖 6:50pm Ken From Hyde Park: If they were to look up from their phones, they'd see the new Google store in Manhattan.
	6:52pm HyperDose: Wholesome
	6:53pm chris in the redwoods: thanks, Mark. you always bring us important content to consider. very grateful for your efforts and this show! i also look forward to picking up Craig Taylor's book. because, even as a Californian, i love NYC! :)
	6:54pm Erin in TO: Great interview Mark, loved it
	6:54pm listener 126464: Great listen, thanks Mark & Craig.
	6:55pm queems: plaza bagels in clifton nj are the best bagels in new york city
	6:55pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Mark! Thanks Craig! ...another book i'll have to special order from my library
	🤖 6:55pm PaulRobeson1920: Bagel Oasis exit 23? Off the Expressway. 24 hours a day
	6:55pm P-90: Thanks!
	6:55pm David in London: Thanks Mark.
	6:56pm Old Dave: As an agrarian/rural disciple of Wendell Berry I still feel compelled to understand. Peace and enjoy your time off!
	🤖 6:56pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark! Thanks Craig! And love your new T-Shirt Mark!
	6:56pm YesthatMattHall: One problem with the fetish for real estate and losing spaces like The Magic Factory involves America's loss of soft power, which was actually a vital piece of all the good parts of American geopolitical success. Like the Berlin Wall falling, and all those East Germans rushing to buy American records.
	🤖 6:56pm Ken From Hyde Park: Thanks, Mark. Permission to go back to staring at my phone again?
	6:56pm HyperDose: Loyal O'Bagel boi over here
	6:56pm listener 126464: Chris Stamey Big Band!
	6:57pm Roland from Australia: Enjoyed the show, thanks
	6:57pm Jeff Moore: Hmm. I can't yet disagree with your bagel judgement because I haven't yet tried your "Absolute Bagels". To be revisited...
	6:57pm kevlicki: Thanks mark, stay cool and safe everyone!
	6:57pm winston legthigh: thanks mark. pigeons scattered not likely.
	6:58pm WR: Best bagel.. LOL. PS: When does a person become a New Yorker. I say it is in the eye of the beholder. I've lived in NYC for 30 years and still say I am from, and list several places, none of which did I live at for anywhere near 30 years.
	🤖 6:58pm Ken From Hyde Park: 400 years ago, the city was a forest. What will it be 400 years from now? Amazing to think about.
	🤖 6:59pm PaulRobeson1920: Thank you Mark! Going back to Emile Durkheim- the poor are more accessible… Lots of research on city poor folk. The wealthy are understudied
	7:00pm WR: Another entertaining factoid, 90% of the time that i am looking at my phone I am on WFMU playlists.
	7:00pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone!
	7:00pm Rich in Washington: Thanks, Mark!
	7:01pm Jeff Moore: Of course, for decades it never occurred to me to go searching for some alternative "best bagel" because we always just picked up the bagels from the Broadway & 80th H&H (GONE!), then picked up a big beautiful pile of hand-sliced nova from Zabar's next door (the old guy behind the fish counter is dead now!) and it was hard to imagine anything better.
	7:02pm Mark Hurst: Yes - H&H was a viable competitor. But now there can only be one: Absolute Bagel.
	7:03pm WR: PPS: the book sounds very interesting. Thank you Mark!
	8:00pm Erin in TO: @Androu I immediately thought of Wing too

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