WFMU: If You Lose Your Horse with Sam Segal: Playlist from September 8, 2021

Listener comments!
	10:02pm doctorjazz: Hi Sam! Check in later, quick hi (not interested in Lee Morgan, I guess...)
	10:02pm Constantly Choking: Outside by a fire so I won’t be too active on the chat but HELLO Sam and the horseless!
	10:03pm Sam Segal: Doc! Thanks for hipping me to this Lee Morgan set!
	10:03pm Sam Segal: Glad to hear you're keeping warm the old fashioned way, CC!
	10:03pm doctorjazz: Spoke too soon...(still much you didn't get to...)
	10:04pm doctorjazz: 8 CD's worth.
	10:04pm doctorjazz: Meditation time, will reconnect later...
	10:04pm Sam Segal: I know, I've got to get the rest later this week.
	10:05pm doctorjazz: (Lee's more aggressive live than you'd expect from the Studio stuff...)
	10:08pm Sam Segal: It seems like he would've continued to go further out, if he'd lived longer. There are some songs on "The Last Session" from 1971 that flirt with some more avant elements.
	10:10pm Constantly Choking: Much appreciation for the musical accompaniment Sam!
	10:25pm rw: I think I hear my horse
	10:25pm zzz: just signing on, hey to SS and all! nice to hear the roberto rodriguez.
	10:26pm Sam Segal: Thanks for recommending it, ZZZ! Such a great recording.
	10:26pm Sam Segal: RW! If you hear your horse...
	10:29pm zzz: missed the lee morgan lighthouse track. i remember going to the borders book store in middle school and first getting into jazz and my friend and i were intrigued by the big lighthouse box (3 cds?) and lee morgan looking groovy on the cover but us never quite being able to pick it up. same friend recently told me he splurged for the 12 vinyl release
	10:32pm zzz: borders jazz section in the late 90s was pretty decent actually, but then came to nyc for college and could spend hours in tower records, not to mention downtown music gallery and all the others
	10:35pm Sam Segal: I loved the CD section at Borders when I was a kid. Growing up in suburban Minneapolis, I didn't have frequent access to an independent record store until I got into my teens. Although, I don't think I was hip enough for the jazz section in the years I was shopping at Borders.
	10:38pm zzz: ooh cool! been wanting to check this out —psalms
	10:40pm Sam Segal: It is a gorgeous record, although this track isn't totally representative of the rest of the album, as this is the only song that includes any English singing. The rest of the songs are all Hebrew.
	10:43pm Constantly Choking: Yes Dude
	10:44pm Sam Segal: Haha, CC, I'm glad I'm not the only one who doesn't hate the new Kanye album.
	10:48pm Ike: I don't like Kanye, but I love Low.
	10:49pm Sam Segal: Ike! Thank you for being here. I don't begrudge anyone for not liking Kanye. He's "a bit much," to say the least.
	10:52pm Ike: How's this Low album? I haven't had a chance to check it out yet. I've heard this song a few times and at first I wasn't sure about it, but now it's really growing on me.
	10:53pm doctorjazz: Back, missed some interesting stuff, I see. I liked the Kanye (but his politics will not allow me to admit or support him in any way). Used to spend hours in Tower Records and J & R Records, at the time the places with the largest catalogs (that I know of).
	10:54pm Sam Segal: I still need to digest the full album a bit more. It seems on first glance like they've taken many of the sonic experimentation and textural weirdness from the previous record and added in some more traditional pop songwriting elements.
	10:56pm doctorjazz: You want to hear obsessive? I bought the Lee Morgan Lighthouse LP box, and got the digital version (but that was from a friend)...
	10:58pm doctorjazz: Sam-I didn't mention it earlier, but G'mar Chatimah Tova!
	10:58pm rw: A little off point, but when I was a kid I would ride my skateboard an extra couple miles to the independent record store because LPs were $3.77 as opposed to $3.99 at the major chain.
	11:00pm doctorjazz: EJ Korvettes used to have albums for about $3, if I remember correctly, a dollar cheaper if you bought the mono version.
	11:00pm Constantly Choking: Double Negative was amazing, can’t wait to hear the new record. Donda was way better than I expected…some tracks will disappear into history but others are total hits. In his total discography I rate it 7th best, just below Kids See Ghosts and just above 808s. Sorry for the tirade, too many beers…okay, back to my fire
	11:03pm Ike: The track title for the Alan Shawjan song seems like it's... just "Alan Shawdjan" in Cyrillic (?!).
	11:05pm rw: docjazz, did you go for the stereo or the mono versions?
	11:06pm Sam Segal: @Ike, that explains a lot. Unless this is one of those things where the artist names the song after themselves, I think that song might be more appropriately titled: "Track 7."
	11:07pm Sam Segal: Same to you, Doc! All good things for you and yours in 5782.
	11:09pm Sam Segal: @CC, I like that you give Kids See Ghosts a high rating. I need to revisit that album.
	11:12pm Sam Segal: No one should interpret the vocal sample in this track as a message from me to you.
	11:12pm Ike: BTW, I salute you for not giving into the (presumed) temptation to name this episode "If You Lose Your Horse Paste". Too obvious, right?
	11:12pm rw: Pretty interesting conversation, separating the artist from the art. Still not sure exactly where I stand on the matter. I think for me it depends on the situation. I do have a bit of trouble with K. West though and it troubles me a little.
	11:12pm Sam Segal: Finally, someone credits me for my subtlety and restraint. Thank you for truly seeing me, Ike.
	11:19pm coelacanth∅: hey Sam and all
	11:21pm Sam Segal: @RW: The separating art from artist conversation is always interesting. I don't think I have a definitive stance on the matter. It is very situational and context dependent for me. With Kanye, my instinct says that none of his attention-seeking incendiary remarks have resulted in the real world suffering of innocent people, so those misguided stunts don't really distract me from enjoying what I believe to be beautiful, complex art. But I also totally understand if people feel differently.
	11:21pm doctorjazz: rw @11:05, I think I mostly went for the stereo versions (this is WAY before the current "mono is better" wave). I was in my early teens, seemed like the hi-tech thing to do.
	11:22pm Sam Segal: Welcome, Coel! Thanks for being horseless tonight!
	11:30pm rw: docj, I would have done the same. I took a recording class in Jr. College and the teacher thought stereo was BS. Didn't agree with him at the time and still don't. (though I do understand and appreciate that more thought and effort was put into the mono mixes in the early days). But his point was that with mono you heard the mix as it was intended as opposed to stereo where the mix changes depending on where you sit in the room.
	11:34pm doctorjazz: Liked that Chabri Maki (sounds like a good sushi roll).
	11:35pm Constantly Choking: Re the question of separating the artist from the art…I don’t think it’s a matter of a blanket “should one” vs “shouldn’t”, it’s more like “can you?” Like if you can successfully separate the art from a shitty person it probably says something about either you as the consumer or the artist and if you can’t, same. I can listen to Kanye feeling like he is someone who is a mentally ill genius who shouldn’t be looked to for moral instruction, but I could never sit through The Cosby Show again without being HIGHLY disturbed and distracted
	11:38pm doctorjazz: re, audiophiles would agree with that professor-not that mono was superior, but that the "sweet spot" is where you set up your listening chair, properly spaced between the speakers, to do "serious" listening.
	11:38pm coelacanth∅: but stereo sounds better, if it's done right. it's the way we hear and mono is not. when a band is before you, playing, it is not emanating sound from a 2-dimentional point. in olden days mono mixes were usually better because they put more time into them. that doesn't make mono better; that makes those mixes better. (maybe)
	11:38pm doctorjazz: I've been banished to headphones...
	11:39pm Sam Segal: This is a good headphone track, Doc.
	11:41pm Sam Segal: I agree with your take, CC.
	11:42pm coelacanth∅: a stereo mix certainly can have the same "impact" as a mono mix -if he/she at the controls is good, and chooses that. can place the lead guitar smack in the middle, have everything spaced slightly differently but still never far apart.
	11:43pm doctorjazz: As Coel said, early mono was the version many bands/engineers payed attention to, early on it was felt stereo was just a gimmick, and the stereo mix was donebecause you had to have one to sell (and, you could charge a dollar more for it). But there are great stereo recordings, bad mono recordings, and I enjoy the sound of the musicians spread out in front of me as well (you so get some front to back separation with mono, but all in that one plane)
	11:44pm doctorjazz: This is wonderful through cans!
	11:48pm rw: Okay, here's another geeky question that came up at work today. My buddy is finishing his album and trying to decide whether to mix for headphones or speakers. I said speakers because that's the way most people listen, but then he brought up earbuds. I still say speakers. I think he and I are on the same page, but other band members have different ideas...
	11:49pm rw: And I just switched to headphones. Nice.
	11:49pm Sam Segal: I think the answer to that question might depend on the kind of music your buddy's band plays, RW. Are his fans headphone types or speaker types?
	11:50pm doctorjazz: Miles Davis was mean as hell to his sidemen, as well as Charlie Parker (who tortured Miles), and Charles Mingus is supposed to have punched his Trombone player, Jimmy Knepper, twice. Still, this personal nastiness differs from artists who do bad things in the world, to some extent.
	11:51pm coelacanth∅: rw i'll say i have never given that any thought. i would say headphones is more often how people listen to music now...the relatively few people who actually listen to the music they play.
	11:51pm rw: Yeah, that's the question! I'm not sure. I like speakers because they seem more visceral.
	11:53pm rw: Plus headphones get taxing for me after a while. Both physically and psychologically.
	11:54pm doctorjazz: I'm a speaker guy, though I listen to both (maybe more to headphones, more convenient). But the Spotify world has really gone headphone, speakers are an afterthought to most people (my kids, with a nice stereo at home i let them use, listen to Spotify on their phones, with or without headphones.
	11:54pm coelacanth∅: ...i almost never listen with headphones. i have a big speaker along each of 2 walls. i hear the stereo separation right now quite nicely. the music i make, i use headphones all the way through; but after the potential final mix i'll lay down and listen to it through the speakers, before saying it's done.
	11:54pm Constantly Choking: This track is beautiful. Thanks so much for the show Sam. I hope everyone has a great night ✌️
	11:56pm rw: cc, some day we need to hear that music you're making.
	11:56pm doctorjazz: Like to fall asleep with in ear headphones and some jazz...
	11:57pm doctorjazz: Corpu curious to hear it myself, Coel, have to say...
	11:57pm coelacanth∅: ...not to contradict myself! (@1151 & @1154) i don't think i'm of the majority. but, as Sam pointed out (@1149) it depends who's going to be attracted to the music.
	11:58pm doctorjazz: Just about quitting time, great show, thanks, Sam. Night all!
	11:58pm rw: Yes. Thanks as always Sam S! I'm clapping along!
	11:59pm rw: Take care everyone! Nice hanging this evening!
	12:00am coelacanth∅: rw Thanks. i'm remixing something presently and when it's ready maybe i'll put a link to my bandcamp site back on my fmu profile
	12:01am coelacanth∅: (and dr.j) Thanks Sam! good night everyone
	12:01am Constantly Choking: Ah do it Coelacanthe, I’d be interested as well

If You Lose Your Horse with Sam Segal: Playlist from September 8, 2021

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September 8, 2021: Horses in the Landscape

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Approx. start time
Lee Morgan	Something Like This (Friday, July 10, 1970)	The Complete Live at the Lighthouse	Blue Note	0:00:00 (Pop-up)

Roberto Juan Rodríguez	El Polaco	El Danzon De Moises	Tzadik	0:19:23 (Pop-up)
Alan Shawdjan	Шоджэн Алан	Quarantine Sessions	Ored	0:23:47 (Pop-up)
Kalle Moberg	Fighting the Long Defeat	The Tokyo Sessions Volume 2: Twist	Kamo	0:27:32 (Pop-up)
Hear In Now	Requiem For Charlie Haden	Not Living In Fear	International Anthem	0:33:27 (Pop-up)
Nathan Salsburg	O You Who Sleep + Psalm 96	Psalms	No Quarter	0:36:21 (Pop-up)
Kanye West	Come to Life "Come to Life" by "Kanye West"	Donda	G.O.O.D. Music/Def Jam	0:41:08 (Pop-up)
Low	Days Like These "Days Like These" by "Low"	HEY WHAT	Sub Pop	0:46:15 (Pop-up)
Roger Eno	Days Like This "Days Like This" by "Roger Eno"	Little Things Left Behind 1988-1998	All Saints	0:51:22 (Pop-up)

Hoavi	Flay "Flay" by "Hoavi"	Invariant	Peak Oil	1:03:39 (Pop-up)
Area	Bourbon Skies (St. Petersburg Three-Four Blues)	Queerifications & Ruins - Collected Remixes By DJ Sprinkles	Mule Musiq	1:10:53 (Pop-up)
Lion Merry	ヴァカボンドヴァーレスク・蜃気楼を見る・	ドン・キホーテの従者 (Don Quixote’s Squire)	Chū	1:17:43 (Pop-up)
Model Home + Saint Abdullah	24 hours	Invasive Inclinations	PTP	1:21:10 (Pop-up)
Ora Clementi	Dialogue Between A Grandmaster Of The Knights Hospitaller And A Genoese Sea-Captain	Sylva Sylvarum	Black Truffle	1:24:45 (Pop-up)
Piętnastka	Chabry maki "Chabry maki" by "Piętnastka"	Kambium	Mondoj	1:28:20 (Pop-up)

Stuart Chalmers	Air "Air" by "Stuart Chalmers"	The Heart of Nature	Opal Tapes	1:39:06 (Pop-up)
Josh Medina	Among the Magnolias "Among the Magnolias" by "Josh Medina"	Drifting Toward the Absolute	Eiderdown	1:45:31 (Pop-up)
Amelia Cuni	Devino Amor "Devino Amor" by "Amelia Cuni"	Parampara Festival 13.3.1992	Black Truffle	1:51:17 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	10:02pm doctorjazz: Hi Sam! Check in later, quick hi (not interested in Lee Morgan, I guess...)
	10:02pm Constantly Choking: Outside by a fire so I won’t be too active on the chat but HELLO Sam and the horseless!
	10:03pm Sam Segal: Doc! Thanks for hipping me to this Lee Morgan set!
	10:03pm Sam Segal: Glad to hear you're keeping warm the old fashioned way, CC!
	10:03pm doctorjazz: Spoke too soon...(still much you didn't get to...)
	10:04pm doctorjazz: 8 CD's worth.
	10:04pm doctorjazz: Meditation time, will reconnect later...
	10:04pm Sam Segal: I know, I've got to get the rest later this week.
	10:05pm doctorjazz: (Lee's more aggressive live than you'd expect from the Studio stuff...)
	10:08pm Sam Segal: It seems like he would've continued to go further out, if he'd lived longer. There are some songs on "The Last Session" from 1971 that flirt with some more avant elements.
	10:10pm Constantly Choking: Much appreciation for the musical accompaniment Sam!
	10:25pm rw: I think I hear my horse
	10:25pm zzz: just signing on, hey to SS and all! nice to hear the roberto rodriguez.
	10:26pm Sam Segal: Thanks for recommending it, ZZZ! Such a great recording.
	10:26pm Sam Segal: RW! If you hear your horse...
	10:29pm zzz: missed the lee morgan lighthouse track. i remember going to the borders book store in middle school and first getting into jazz and my friend and i were intrigued by the big lighthouse box (3 cds?) and lee morgan looking groovy on the cover but us never quite being able to pick it up. same friend recently told me he splurged for the 12 vinyl release
	10:32pm zzz: borders jazz section in the late 90s was pretty decent actually, but then came to nyc for college and could spend hours in tower records, not to mention downtown music gallery and all the others
	10:35pm Sam Segal: I loved the CD section at Borders when I was a kid. Growing up in suburban Minneapolis, I didn't have frequent access to an independent record store until I got into my teens. Although, I don't think I was hip enough for the jazz section in the years I was shopping at Borders.
	10:38pm zzz: ooh cool! been wanting to check this out —psalms
	10:40pm Sam Segal: It is a gorgeous record, although this track isn't totally representative of the rest of the album, as this is the only song that includes any English singing. The rest of the songs are all Hebrew.
	10:43pm Constantly Choking: Yes Dude
	10:44pm Sam Segal: Haha, CC, I'm glad I'm not the only one who doesn't hate the new Kanye album.
	10:48pm Ike: I don't like Kanye, but I love Low.
	10:49pm Sam Segal: Ike! Thank you for being here. I don't begrudge anyone for not liking Kanye. He's "a bit much," to say the least.
	10:52pm Ike: How's this Low album? I haven't had a chance to check it out yet. I've heard this song a few times and at first I wasn't sure about it, but now it's really growing on me.
	10:53pm doctorjazz: Back, missed some interesting stuff, I see. I liked the Kanye (but his politics will not allow me to admit or support him in any way). Used to spend hours in Tower Records and J & R Records, at the time the places with the largest catalogs (that I know of).
	10:54pm Sam Segal: I still need to digest the full album a bit more. It seems on first glance like they've taken many of the sonic experimentation and textural weirdness from the previous record and added in some more traditional pop songwriting elements.
	10:56pm doctorjazz: You want to hear obsessive? I bought the Lee Morgan Lighthouse LP box, and got the digital version (but that was from a friend)...
	10:58pm doctorjazz: Sam-I didn't mention it earlier, but G'mar Chatimah Tova!
	10:58pm rw: A little off point, but when I was a kid I would ride my skateboard an extra couple miles to the independent record store because LPs were $3.77 as opposed to $3.99 at the major chain.
	11:00pm doctorjazz: EJ Korvettes used to have albums for about $3, if I remember correctly, a dollar cheaper if you bought the mono version.
	11:00pm Constantly Choking: Double Negative was amazing, can’t wait to hear the new record. Donda was way better than I expected…some tracks will disappear into history but others are total hits. In his total discography I rate it 7th best, just below Kids See Ghosts and just above 808s. Sorry for the tirade, too many beers…okay, back to my fire
	11:03pm Ike: The track title for the Alan Shawjan song seems like it's... just "Alan Shawdjan" in Cyrillic (?!).
	11:05pm rw: docjazz, did you go for the stereo or the mono versions?
	11:06pm Sam Segal: @Ike, that explains a lot. Unless this is one of those things where the artist names the song after themselves, I think that song might be more appropriately titled: "Track 7."
	11:07pm Sam Segal: Same to you, Doc! All good things for you and yours in 5782.
	11:09pm Sam Segal: @CC, I like that you give Kids See Ghosts a high rating. I need to revisit that album.
	11:12pm Sam Segal: No one should interpret the vocal sample in this track as a message from me to you.
	11:12pm Ike: BTW, I salute you for not giving into the (presumed) temptation to name this episode "If You Lose Your Horse Paste". Too obvious, right?
	11:12pm rw: Pretty interesting conversation, separating the artist from the art. Still not sure exactly where I stand on the matter. I think for me it depends on the situation. I do have a bit of trouble with K. West though and it troubles me a little.
	11:12pm Sam Segal: Finally, someone credits me for my subtlety and restraint. Thank you for truly seeing me, Ike.
	11:19pm coelacanth∅: hey Sam and all
	11:21pm Sam Segal: @RW: The separating art from artist conversation is always interesting. I don't think I have a definitive stance on the matter. It is very situational and context dependent for me. With Kanye, my instinct says that none of his attention-seeking incendiary remarks have resulted in the real world suffering of innocent people, so those misguided stunts don't really distract me from enjoying what I believe to be beautiful, complex art. But I also totally understand if people feel differently.
	11:21pm doctorjazz: rw @11:05, I think I mostly went for the stereo versions (this is WAY before the current "mono is better" wave). I was in my early teens, seemed like the hi-tech thing to do.
	11:22pm Sam Segal: Welcome, Coel! Thanks for being horseless tonight!
	11:30pm rw: docj, I would have done the same. I took a recording class in Jr. College and the teacher thought stereo was BS. Didn't agree with him at the time and still don't. (though I do understand and appreciate that more thought and effort was put into the mono mixes in the early days). But his point was that with mono you heard the mix as it was intended as opposed to stereo where the mix changes depending on where you sit in the room.
	11:34pm doctorjazz: Liked that Chabri Maki (sounds like a good sushi roll).
	11:35pm Constantly Choking: Re the question of separating the artist from the art…I don’t think it’s a matter of a blanket “should one” vs “shouldn’t”, it’s more like “can you?” Like if you can successfully separate the art from a shitty person it probably says something about either you as the consumer or the artist and if you can’t, same. I can listen to Kanye feeling like he is someone who is a mentally ill genius who shouldn’t be looked to for moral instruction, but I could never sit through The Cosby Show again without being HIGHLY disturbed and distracted
	11:38pm doctorjazz: re, audiophiles would agree with that professor-not that mono was superior, but that the "sweet spot" is where you set up your listening chair, properly spaced between the speakers, to do "serious" listening.
	11:38pm coelacanth∅: but stereo sounds better, if it's done right. it's the way we hear and mono is not. when a band is before you, playing, it is not emanating sound from a 2-dimentional point. in olden days mono mixes were usually better because they put more time into them. that doesn't make mono better; that makes those mixes better. (maybe)
	11:38pm doctorjazz: I've been banished to headphones...
	11:39pm Sam Segal: This is a good headphone track, Doc.
	11:41pm Sam Segal: I agree with your take, CC.
	11:42pm coelacanth∅: a stereo mix certainly can have the same "impact" as a mono mix -if he/she at the controls is good, and chooses that. can place the lead guitar smack in the middle, have everything spaced slightly differently but still never far apart.
	11:43pm doctorjazz: As Coel said, early mono was the version many bands/engineers payed attention to, early on it was felt stereo was just a gimmick, and the stereo mix was donebecause you had to have one to sell (and, you could charge a dollar more for it). But there are great stereo recordings, bad mono recordings, and I enjoy the sound of the musicians spread out in front of me as well (you so get some front to back separation with mono, but all in that one plane)
	11:44pm doctorjazz: This is wonderful through cans!
	11:48pm rw: Okay, here's another geeky question that came up at work today. My buddy is finishing his album and trying to decide whether to mix for headphones or speakers. I said speakers because that's the way most people listen, but then he brought up earbuds. I still say speakers. I think he and I are on the same page, but other band members have different ideas...
	11:49pm rw: And I just switched to headphones. Nice.
	11:49pm Sam Segal: I think the answer to that question might depend on the kind of music your buddy's band plays, RW. Are his fans headphone types or speaker types?
	11:50pm doctorjazz: Miles Davis was mean as hell to his sidemen, as well as Charlie Parker (who tortured Miles), and Charles Mingus is supposed to have punched his Trombone player, Jimmy Knepper, twice. Still, this personal nastiness differs from artists who do bad things in the world, to some extent.
	11:51pm coelacanth∅: rw i'll say i have never given that any thought. i would say headphones is more often how people listen to music now...the relatively few people who actually listen to the music they play.
	11:51pm rw: Yeah, that's the question! I'm not sure. I like speakers because they seem more visceral.
	11:53pm rw: Plus headphones get taxing for me after a while. Both physically and psychologically.
	11:54pm doctorjazz: I'm a speaker guy, though I listen to both (maybe more to headphones, more convenient). But the Spotify world has really gone headphone, speakers are an afterthought to most people (my kids, with a nice stereo at home i let them use, listen to Spotify on their phones, with or without headphones.
	11:54pm coelacanth∅: ...i almost never listen with headphones. i have a big speaker along each of 2 walls. i hear the stereo separation right now quite nicely. the music i make, i use headphones all the way through; but after the potential final mix i'll lay down and listen to it through the speakers, before saying it's done.
	11:54pm Constantly Choking: This track is beautiful. Thanks so much for the show Sam. I hope everyone has a great night ✌️
	11:56pm rw: cc, some day we need to hear that music you're making.
	11:56pm doctorjazz: Like to fall asleep with in ear headphones and some jazz...
	11:57pm doctorjazz: Corpu curious to hear it myself, Coel, have to say...
	11:57pm coelacanth∅: ...not to contradict myself! (@1151 & @1154) i don't think i'm of the majority. but, as Sam pointed out (@1149) it depends who's going to be attracted to the music.
	11:58pm doctorjazz: Just about quitting time, great show, thanks, Sam. Night all!
	11:58pm rw: Yes. Thanks as always Sam S! I'm clapping along!
	11:59pm rw: Take care everyone! Nice hanging this evening!
	12:00am coelacanth∅: rw Thanks. i'm remixing something presently and when it's ready maybe i'll put a link to my bandcamp site back on my fmu profile
	12:01am coelacanth∅: (and dr.j) Thanks Sam! good night everyone
	12:01am Constantly Choking: Ah do it Coelacanthe, I’d be interested as well

If You Lose Your Horse with Sam Segal: Playlist from September 8, 2021

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