WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from September 27, 2021

Listener comments!
	6:00pm ultradamno: Mark! TechtonarryCauls!
	🤖 6:01pm chresti: Hi Mark and Techtones!
	🤖 6:01pm Bas NL: Hi Mark! Tech-challengers!
	6:02pm StringOFperils: Greets, tech heads, future-fearers, and roustabouts!
	6:02pm Carmichael: Heya Mark and Big Brother.
	🤖 6:02pm Webhamster Henry: Hi Friends! Take a look at this lovely peek at a dystopian tech: scienceandtechblog.com...
	🤖 6:02pm DjLorraine: Hi all, Great topic
	6:02pm ParUbi: Hey guys
	6:03pm StringOFperils: I should write a book on 'voice annoyance'. Lot of experience wit dat.
	6:03pm David in London: Evening Mark and all Technoids.
	🤖 6:03pm tim from washington: Hi Mark and folks! I've been AWOL as of late and happy as heck to be back.
	6:03pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...keeping saying the book title ...I want ads for it to magically appear on my fb feed...
	6:04pm TDK60: Hello Mark H.
	🤖 6:04pm PaulRobeson1920: Good evening one & all! Hi!
	6:05pm ParUbi: coal rolling? or cold rolling?
	🤖 6:06pm chresti: coal
	6:06pm ultradamno: Coal
	🤖 6:06pm Webhamster Henry: WFMU clearly needs more talk shows.
	6:06pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: *keep
	6:06pm StringOFperils: Car creep friends I had called it 'blowing the carbon out'
	6:07pm ultradamno: It all goes back to school...Be aggressive B E AGGRESSIVE
	6:07pm bedroom_punk_: Happy Monday, all
	6:08pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...oh look ads for Kohls are showing up...
	🤖 6:08pm Ken From Hyde Park: Greetings, Mark and techtocrats. Aren't most smart phones also listening for "Yo Google" or "Yo Siri" clues?
	6:08pm bedroom_punk_: Did Mark just reference the upcoming Riley Stearns film "Dual" or another movie?
	6:09pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: In USSA - Media watches you.
	🤖 6:09pm tim from washington: Ooh, luxury surveillance sounds swanky!
	6:09pm Sam: Do people honestly use Alexa just to turn the lights on? That’s so weird. How about just turn the lights on yourself? I seriously don’t get it.
	6:09pm StringOFperils: Duel. Another movie. Starring a truck. And Dennis Weaver.
	🤖 6:09pm DjLorraine: When i call a cc company the recording says its capturing answers... what can one do?
	6:10pm Marci: Thank goodness our 2013 Mini still has a CD player - makes me think we’re safe there at least
	6:10pm De Fenestrated: I teach a class in technology and all of my students even foreign students tell me how their phones and VUI are listening.... Proof is in the ADS you recieve!!!!
	6:10pm Sam: Do rental cars have cameras watching you?
	6:10pm NowhereBoy91: Thanks, Perils
	🤖 6:11pm PaulRobeson1920: It's wonderful to be here It's certainly a thrill You're such a lovely audience We'd like to take you home with us We'd love to take you home
	6:11pm queems: oh HELL no
	6:11pm Sam: I’ve never seen an Alexa in a hotel room
	6:12pm queems: i heard on a podcast that the weird coincidental ads are more about your location settings and who you are physically spending time with
	6:13pm Sam: Aren’t there laws against bugging hotel rooms?
	6:13pm David in London: Christ, checking into a hotel room is soon going to involve a Cold War style bug sweep as one’s first action.
	6:14pm StringOFperils: It's all sifted. There are what, eleven national security agencies? Echelon. Data that could mean anything. Or could be made to mean anything, if that were convenient.
	6:15pm Franco Twinkie: I'm only going to talk like Donald Duck from now on.
	🤖 6:16pm tim from washington: The Rollins' gif is funny. I guess Henry's paranoia in his song "Followed Around" was prescient.
	6:16pm The Butterman: I’m holding out for anus recognition software. Sorry. I couldn’t help myself.
	6:16pm Mark Hurst: Hi all, thanks for joining!
	🤖 6:17pm Mx. Baba Bee (e/they): hey there, Mark and folx! here for my weekly freak out!
	6:17pm StringOFperils: Just say the craziest shit you can think of all the time. Ah no, actually that'll just get you elected....hmmm...maybe the Donald Duck voice IS the way to go.
	6:17pm ultradamno: @sam "many Americans have considered whether hotels are spying on their guests in the digital age. The answer is generally no, since that would violate laws in more than a dozen states." time.com... So, yes and no
	🤖 6:17pm tim from washington: @Franco Twinkie - Exactly! The next time in a hotel room I'm going on a William Burroughs style monologue.
	6:17pm Rich in Washington: Hi Mx. BB! Hi Mark and everybodeee!
	6:18pm Mark Hurst: @queems yes, researchers' best guess today is that the phones are using location & proximity to other users in order to form ad recs. However, there's lots of anecdotal evidence that suggests listening. With that said, what's clear (as Turow will describe) is that the Big Tech companies intend for these devices to listen to us, even if they may not be listening right now.
	6:18pm NowhereBoy91: Part of me really wants to get into obfuscation but also I don't have any discipline whatsoever.
	6:18pm Carmichael: I'm gonna get one of those throat voice things that people use when they have their voice box removed.
	6:19pm Aggressive Qualities: Last week a Mormon told me to go eff myself. Granted I called him an asshole for running a leaf blower in BK ffs before 8am. When the Mormons get blue you know the SHTFan fo shaw You are tracked on all things electronic. So much for singing the body thereof. Oy. And who else is getting terribly misspelled spam emails in outlook that the junk folder is incapable of deflecting. Old man issues. Oy. My prostate. The moment I hit the free hospital WiFi the ads following are quite specific.
	6:19pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ' If we change our behavior - the Terrorists have won. '
	6:19pm Little Danny: Hello Mark, hello everybody
	6:20pm yippie: good news. next time you travel no need to call your bank so they dont cancel your card for fraud protection. Cuz now the bank tracks your cell location
	6:20pm Mark Hurst: @The Butterman sorry to say, anus recognition is not a joke. There's a surveillance toilet already in development - I think I linked to it on some past show's playlist. But an embedded camera, allowing for anal recognition, is one of the stated intents.
	6:20pm Aggressive Qualities: Nice watching the sunset to Mark
	6:20pm queems: @mark hurst i had a situation in the past week- was talking about a particular mall, and then almost immediately got an instagram ad for that mall. though i also searched another location down the street from that mall, so it could have been from that. but yeah, it definitely has happened on more than one occasion and i am always suspicious
	6:21pm Mark Hurst: (I considered talking about the toilet on-air but I want to steer clear of any possible FCC issues around bodily functions etc... though I don't see this as a gross-out humor thing, but an actual news story we should pay attention to.)
	6:21pm ultradamno: Larry Flynt understood orifice personality, why shouldn't Silicon Valley?
	6:21pm The Butterman: Mark, you are a gem!
	🤖 6:21pm PaulRobeson1920: @The Butterman Hi Butterman- good to C u. Jeez, I thought years of playing Rugby we had all the anus recognition covered! “The arsehole is here to stay!!!”
	6:23pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: AI making literal the butt joke of 'cause I never forget a face'...
	6:23pm StringOFperils: Exactly. How the f*** do people think police are working today, let alone retailing? They use the available technology to surveil the populace. Wouldn't be much of a police force if they weren't. This should not be surprising or shocking at this time.
	6:23pm StringOFperils: Disturbing, yes!
	6:24pm ultradamno: That synergy is even scarier, that your robot friend is subtly manipulating you into putting all your business to ultimately the same company
	6:24pm David in London: We’re all going to need to have a Gibby Haynes style voice pitcher unit with us at all times.
	🤖 6:25pm Webhamster Henry: Here's some emotion detection research : cs229.stanford.edu...
	6:26pm des: any indie auteurs working on a "slaughterbots" style horror movie using this?
	6:26pm Franco Twinkie: I'm guess the Stasi is the working model for all these new technologies?
	6:27pm Carmichael: My next band will be Anal Recognition.
	🤖 6:27pm Webhamster Henry: At 8pm, Vocal Fry will teach you how to disguise your voice.
	6:28pm Mark Hurst: @Carmichael start the band now, because in a year or two you'd face a copyright suit from Amazon or Google ("that's the official product name of our new SmartToilet (tm)")
	6:28pm Carmichael: Unplug Alexa before you beat your spouse.
	6:28pm Si: The absolute irony of being afraid of someone stealing your recorded voice during a radio interview.
	6:29pm queems: my bf jail broke a firestick and drilled out the microphone for me before he set it up
	🤖 6:29pm Bas NL: If you think about it... kind of endearing to have an algorithm actually listening to everything you say..
	6:29pm ultradamno: ...or maybe Genius Bidet (I guess that would be Apple's)
	6:30pm The Butterman: Carmichael, I’m suing you. Or let me play banjo in the band.
	6:31pm Franco Twinkie: When your partner stops listening to you and your friends no longer return your calls take heart....
	6:31pm JP: I live out in the country-side, one night I was sitting outside enjoying the crickets when I heard faint music from a farm probably two miles away. I could barely make it out, so I wondered what would shazam hear? In less than a second it came up with “Smokin’ in boys room” how do I remember? because Shazam keeps a record of every thing I have ever used it for. does it also keep a record of what I say when I use it??
	6:33pm David in London: Ultradamno, I think Genius Bidet is actually a new series of detective novels about the titular Belgian sleuth.
	6:33pm Mark Hurst: @queems that's really cool. like a scene from a dystopian sci-fi movie
	6:35pm ultradamno: bidetgenius.com Gotta be quick in this game
	6:35pm des: constantly feels like "enemy of the state" all the time
	🤖 6:36pm Mx. Baba Bee (e/they): I'm in the band, too—playing jaw harp!
	6:36pm David in London: ‘Stop wiping. Be shower fresh’ is an amazing tag line.
	6:36pm StringOFperils: I have to cut down on habituation. I'm getting hairy acquiesence
	🤖 6:36pm chresti: Voices change! From now on I'll talk in my high squeaky voice.
	6:36pm Little Danny: I totally understand the resignation. Staying technologically vigilant is indeed an exhausting battle.
	🤖 6:36pm Mx. Baba Bee (e/they): we def need a didgeridoo, too
	🤖 6:37pm chresti: Mx Babakins!
	6:37pm ARB: Still wiping?
	6:38pm Little Danny: wiping is over
	🤖 6:38pm Mx. Baba Bee (e/they): CHRESTIKINS! Let's squeak together and walk with a funny gait wearing giant sombreros
	🤖 6:38pm Mx. Baba Bee (e/they): wait, I already do that
	6:38pm ultradamno: Though immediately following with "Upgrade your life" is a bit of a hat on a hat
	6:38pm yippie: now that u tell me alexa is stoopid it makes me want her even more
	🤖 6:39pm chresti: Ew smart toilets.
	6:39pm Mark Hurst: @des "Enemy of the State" (the Will Smith movie) came up explicitly in Arthur Holland Michel's "Eyes in the Sky," his history of military drones. Listen to our interview from 2019: www.wfmu.org...
	6:39pm StringOFperils: V'GER that's your second mistake!
	6:39pm ultradamno: Is there a dominatrix Alexa voice option, or just a general bad girl?
	6:40pm Franco Twinkie: I wonder if my phone was listening while I was snoring away a little while ago, it was next to me on the bed. And further more, what marketing information could it be deducing from that?
	🤖 6:40pm Ken From Hyde Park: Do those "I've fallen and can't get up" devices have surveillance microphones?
	6:41pm JP: "I don't believe that you've fallen nor that you can't get up... try better"
	🤖 6:41pm tim from washington: It is really difficult in this day and age to find truly critical reviews of anything. Most every type of review seems to be positive.
	6:41pm Mark Hurst: @KenfHP yes, they do. But there's a key difference - the user (and their family members) both know about and consent to that surveillance. Targeted use of this tech is totally fine, in my opinion. It's the broad rollout that's not known, or consented to, that's the problem.
	🤖 6:42pm chresti: Franco, you'll get a phone call from a smart CPAP machine.
	6:43pm The Butterman: Yeah, Baba Bee! Ok, we got banjo, jaw harp… who else is in?
	🤖 6:44pm chresti: I'll play harmonica!
	6:44pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Zero Transparency ...Zero Accountability - Zero Honesty - ALL of the Profit - All of the Control - No Bill of Digital Rights.
	6:44pm StringOFperils: The data on Franco's snoring will make interstellar travel possible for mole rats in 20 years or less.
	🤖 6:45pm PaulRobeson1920: I can sing! @The Butterman
	6:45pm Greg from ZONE 5: "I am very disappointed and terrified." -Marge Simpson
	🤖 6:46pm tim from washington: I predict that unintentional re-enactments of the end of The Conversation will be on the rise.
	6:46pm ultradamno: I can do intermittent disruptive electronics
	6:47pm Franco Twinkie: The only time I listen to NPR is when I'm in my twenty one year old truck. ( I am vaguely interested in the news) Otherwise I've given up on them - to much age specific target marketing. The weekend Dockers/Crocs lifestyle pieces really make me vomit.
	🤖 6:47pm PaulRobeson1920: How would a society have stopped the T.V short of legislation?
	🤖 6:47pm Mx. Baba Bee (e/they) ⚧: this is going to be my favorite band. Franco on stunt snores
	🤖 6:48pm chresti: Alexa baby sitters.
	6:48pm De Fenestrated: Alexa gets jealous. I have played music for a friend at their house when Alexa interrupted saying "can I play that song for you?" my friend woke up the next morning to Alexa playing the song. This is complete surveillance.
	6:49pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Regional NPR Programming is closer to actually being Public radio. Agree about the Bourgeois bullsh*t.
	🤖 6:49pm Bas NL: If people just stopped buying anything advertised. That would break the circle.
	🤖 6:49pm Mx. Baba Bee (e/they) ⚧: thanks, this was great!
	6:49pm The Butterman: Chresti, PaulRobeson, AND Franco on snores! Epic!
	6:49pm David in London: Great interview Mark.
	6:50pm Sam: Back to selling blood and hair like Dickensian England
	6:50pm Little Danny: Thank you Mark and Joe. Fascinating and terrifying as per usual.
	6:50pm Sonderangebot: Thanks for the show Mark. I wasn't too keen on traveling anymore, but being listened to is another deterrent.
	🤖 6:50pm PaulRobeson1920: I agree. Consumer protection. Most People do not know what is good and what is not good regarding this technology Consumer Capitalism? is premised on the idea that the consumer knows what is good and what is not good- that is why advertising to children is against the law?? Am I right about that? Unsure
	🤖 6:51pm Ken From Hyde Park: Imagine if the smart speakers were convincing people to get their vaccines.
	6:51pm ultradamno: The milk duds joke reminds me of the I Think You Should Leave hot dog car gag
	🤖 6:52pm chresti: I predict a growth industry in Darth Vader masks with the voice distorter.
	6:53pm yippie: i would just only talk like chewbacca
	6:53pm Mennlinn Rebarts: "Is Control controlled by its need to control? Answer: yes.". ― William S. Burroughs
	6:53pm Carmichael: I was hoping for an all-theremin band ...
	6:54pm Aggressive Qualities: But yes the fascism is getting thicker in the air. We need to end propaganda But I love the guys granddaughter flogging Alexa like a b
	🤖 6:54pm PaulRobeson1920: path to happiness - 1. Avoid all advertising and 2. live with your friends, have every meal with your friends etc- -Epicurus Is that possible today?
	🤖 6:54pm chresti: Carmichael will play theremin!
	6:55pm Aggressive Qualities: Glorious sunset btw
	6:55pm sim: Isn't voice really for older generations? Gen Z flat out doesn't make phone calls.
	6:55pm Franco Twinkie: One time I was at a yard sale and this guy comes up to me who I haven't seen since high school. He said "I heard your voice from fifty feet away and I knew it was you!" I'm doomed.
	6:55pm Carmichael: @Paul, that's entirely possible. Let me Yelp for a good restaurant, then we'll take pictures of the food and post reviews.
	6:56pm ultradamno: Should it be on you to opt out even if it did work?
	🤖 6:56pm tim from washington: Ooof. This was a doozy today, Mark, but thank you for Joseph Turow's interview.
	6:56pm Sam: It’s like when a journalist or a cop says you’re “off the record.”
	6:56pm Aggressive Qualities: Why can’t Jeopardy just hire Scott Rogowsky and be done with it
	6:57pm sim: What do rich people do? Because you know they don't want to be surveilled.
	6:57pm Sonderangebot: I'm going to do like Gina in Brooklyn 99 and make a soundboard with Captain Holt's voice and that will be my voice from my on.
	6:57pm Carmichael: There must be on "off" switch for the internet. There MUST be.
	6:57pm Sam: Congress has to crack down on this ultimately.
	🤖 6:57pm DjLorraine: I appreciate this show thank you
	🤖 6:57pm PaulRobeson1920: Alexa play “Over The Mountains” by Paul Robeson
	6:58pm Carmichael: I'm using the Stephen Hawking voice thing.
	6:58pm Sam: Just paying your bills, Carmichael. They’ll shut it all off.
	🤖 6:58pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark! Thanks Joe!
	6:58pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: TY DJ MarkHurst - & Joseph Turow ...doing the heavy lifting.
	🤖 6:58pm PaulRobeson1920: @carmichael - oh boy
	6:58pm ARB: Awesome Mark, thanks!
	6:58pm Franco Twinkie: ...AND keep your moth shut!
	6:58pm David in London: Thanks Mark. Good night Technoids.
	6:58pm Sam: Stop paying your bills
	6:59pm Mark Hurst: @ARB thank you!
	6:59pm Stillwell Coney Islander: Thank you Mark
	6:59pm Franco Twinkie: Mouth
	6:59pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone, good comments tonight!
	6:59pm Carmichael: Thanks, Mark. I always feel better after hearing your show. 😜
	🤖 6:59pm PaulRobeson1920: Mouth noise- Thanks Mark! Wowza
	6:59pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: We've Lost Control Again
	🤖 7:00pm chresti: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 7:00pm Ken From Hyde Park: Need an AI conversation generating speaker to keep the surveillance speaker company. Thanks, Mark!
	10:45am ALLEN McDANIEL: BEST TALK SHOW ON WOOF-MU. Only One w/Real, Actionable INFO, and IMPORTANT TOO! SHOULD HAVE MORE DAYS per WK. IT's UP to US!

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from September 27, 2021

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September 27, 2021: Joe Turow, author, "The Voice Catchers"

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The Voice Catchers, by Joe Turow

Today: Prof. Joe Turow at the Annenberg School for Communication at the University of Pennsylvania. Turow is the author of The Voice Catchers: How Marketers Listen In to Exploit Your Feelings, Your Privacy, and Your Wallet.

Links:

• Hear That? It’s Your Voice Being Taken for Profit. by Joe Turow, NYT Opinion, Sept 12, 2021

• @JoeProf (Twitter)

News:

• Washington Post profile of Chris Gilliard (Sept 17, 2021): “Mainstream pundits and politicians often talk of invasive technologies as being in need of adjustment, responsible oversight or reform. Gilliard has a different view: When it comes to technologies that are fundamentally discriminatory, he says, the goal should be ‘abolition.’”

• Facebook is delaying an Instagram app for users under the age of 13 (Sept 27, 2021): “Facebook said on Monday that it had paused development of an “Instagram Kids” service that would be tailored for children 13 years old or younger, as the social network increasingly faces questions about the app’s effect on young people’s mental health. The pullback comes ahead of a congressional hearing this week about internal research conducted by Facebook, and reported in The Wall Street Journal, that showed the company knew of the harmful mental health effects that Instagram was having on teenage girls. The revelations have set off a public relations crisis for the Silicon Valley company and led to a fresh round of calls for new regulation.”

• “When you ‘Ask app not to track,’ some iPhone apps keep snooping anyway (Washington Post, Sept 23, 2021): “Among the apps Lockdown investigated, tapping the don’t track button made no difference at all to the total number of third-party trackers the apps reached out to. And the number of times the apps attempted to send out data to these companies declined just 13 percent. ‘When it comes to stopping third-party trackers, App Tracking Transparency is a dud. Worse, giving users the option to tap an Ask App Not To Track button may even give users a false sense of privacy,’ said Lockdown co-founder Johnny Lin, a former Apple iCloud engineer.”

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Listener comments!
	6:00pm ultradamno: Mark! TechtonarryCauls!
	🤖 6:01pm chresti: Hi Mark and Techtones!
	🤖 6:01pm Bas NL: Hi Mark! Tech-challengers!
	6:02pm StringOFperils: Greets, tech heads, future-fearers, and roustabouts!
	6:02pm Carmichael: Heya Mark and Big Brother.
	🤖 6:02pm Webhamster Henry: Hi Friends! Take a look at this lovely peek at a dystopian tech: scienceandtechblog.com...
	🤖 6:02pm DjLorraine: Hi all, Great topic
	6:02pm ParUbi: Hey guys
	6:03pm StringOFperils: I should write a book on 'voice annoyance'. Lot of experience wit dat.
	6:03pm David in London: Evening Mark and all Technoids.
	🤖 6:03pm tim from washington: Hi Mark and folks! I've been AWOL as of late and happy as heck to be back.
	6:03pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...keeping saying the book title ...I want ads for it to magically appear on my fb feed...
	6:04pm TDK60: Hello Mark H.
	🤖 6:04pm PaulRobeson1920: Good evening one & all! Hi!
	6:05pm ParUbi: coal rolling? or cold rolling?
	🤖 6:06pm chresti: coal
	6:06pm ultradamno: Coal
	🤖 6:06pm Webhamster Henry: WFMU clearly needs more talk shows.
	6:06pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: *keep
	6:06pm StringOFperils: Car creep friends I had called it 'blowing the carbon out'
	6:07pm ultradamno: It all goes back to school...Be aggressive B E AGGRESSIVE
	6:07pm bedroom_punk_: Happy Monday, all
	6:08pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...oh look ads for Kohls are showing up...
	🤖 6:08pm Ken From Hyde Park: Greetings, Mark and techtocrats. Aren't most smart phones also listening for "Yo Google" or "Yo Siri" clues?
	6:08pm bedroom_punk_: Did Mark just reference the upcoming Riley Stearns film "Dual" or another movie?
	6:09pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: In USSA - Media watches you.
	🤖 6:09pm tim from washington: Ooh, luxury surveillance sounds swanky!
	6:09pm Sam: Do people honestly use Alexa just to turn the lights on? That’s so weird. How about just turn the lights on yourself? I seriously don’t get it.
	6:09pm StringOFperils: Duel. Another movie. Starring a truck. And Dennis Weaver.
	🤖 6:09pm DjLorraine: When i call a cc company the recording says its capturing answers... what can one do?
	6:10pm Marci: Thank goodness our 2013 Mini still has a CD player - makes me think we’re safe there at least
	6:10pm De Fenestrated: I teach a class in technology and all of my students even foreign students tell me how their phones and VUI are listening.... Proof is in the ADS you recieve!!!!
	6:10pm Sam: Do rental cars have cameras watching you?
	6:10pm NowhereBoy91: Thanks, Perils
	🤖 6:11pm PaulRobeson1920: It's wonderful to be here It's certainly a thrill You're such a lovely audience We'd like to take you home with us We'd love to take you home
	6:11pm queems: oh HELL no
	6:11pm Sam: I’ve never seen an Alexa in a hotel room
	6:12pm queems: i heard on a podcast that the weird coincidental ads are more about your location settings and who you are physically spending time with
	6:13pm Sam: Aren’t there laws against bugging hotel rooms?
	6:13pm David in London: Christ, checking into a hotel room is soon going to involve a Cold War style bug sweep as one’s first action.
	6:14pm StringOFperils: It's all sifted. There are what, eleven national security agencies? Echelon. Data that could mean anything. Or could be made to mean anything, if that were convenient.
	6:15pm Franco Twinkie: I'm only going to talk like Donald Duck from now on.
	🤖 6:16pm tim from washington: The Rollins' gif is funny. I guess Henry's paranoia in his song "Followed Around" was prescient.
	6:16pm The Butterman: I’m holding out for anus recognition software. Sorry. I couldn’t help myself.
	6:16pm Mark Hurst: Hi all, thanks for joining!
	🤖 6:17pm Mx. Baba Bee (e/they): hey there, Mark and folx! here for my weekly freak out!
	6:17pm StringOFperils: Just say the craziest shit you can think of all the time. Ah no, actually that'll just get you elected....hmmm...maybe the Donald Duck voice IS the way to go.
	6:17pm ultradamno: @sam "many Americans have considered whether hotels are spying on their guests in the digital age. The answer is generally no, since that would violate laws in more than a dozen states." time.com... So, yes and no
	🤖 6:17pm tim from washington: @Franco Twinkie - Exactly! The next time in a hotel room I'm going on a William Burroughs style monologue.
	6:17pm Rich in Washington: Hi Mx. BB! Hi Mark and everybodeee!
	6:18pm Mark Hurst: @queems yes, researchers' best guess today is that the phones are using location & proximity to other users in order to form ad recs. However, there's lots of anecdotal evidence that suggests listening. With that said, what's clear (as Turow will describe) is that the Big Tech companies intend for these devices to listen to us, even if they may not be listening right now.
	6:18pm NowhereBoy91: Part of me really wants to get into obfuscation but also I don't have any discipline whatsoever.
	6:18pm Carmichael: I'm gonna get one of those throat voice things that people use when they have their voice box removed.
	6:19pm Aggressive Qualities: Last week a Mormon told me to go eff myself. Granted I called him an asshole for running a leaf blower in BK ffs before 8am. When the Mormons get blue you know the SHTFan fo shaw You are tracked on all things electronic. So much for singing the body thereof. Oy. And who else is getting terribly misspelled spam emails in outlook that the junk folder is incapable of deflecting. Old man issues. Oy. My prostate. The moment I hit the free hospital WiFi the ads following are quite specific.
	6:19pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ' If we change our behavior - the Terrorists have won. '
	6:19pm Little Danny: Hello Mark, hello everybody
	6:20pm yippie: good news. next time you travel no need to call your bank so they dont cancel your card for fraud protection. Cuz now the bank tracks your cell location
	6:20pm Mark Hurst: @The Butterman sorry to say, anus recognition is not a joke. There's a surveillance toilet already in development - I think I linked to it on some past show's playlist. But an embedded camera, allowing for anal recognition, is one of the stated intents.
	6:20pm Aggressive Qualities: Nice watching the sunset to Mark
	6:20pm queems: @mark hurst i had a situation in the past week- was talking about a particular mall, and then almost immediately got an instagram ad for that mall. though i also searched another location down the street from that mall, so it could have been from that. but yeah, it definitely has happened on more than one occasion and i am always suspicious
	6:21pm Mark Hurst: (I considered talking about the toilet on-air but I want to steer clear of any possible FCC issues around bodily functions etc... though I don't see this as a gross-out humor thing, but an actual news story we should pay attention to.)
	6:21pm ultradamno: Larry Flynt understood orifice personality, why shouldn't Silicon Valley?
	6:21pm The Butterman: Mark, you are a gem!
	🤖 6:21pm PaulRobeson1920: @The Butterman Hi Butterman- good to C u. Jeez, I thought years of playing Rugby we had all the anus recognition covered! “The arsehole is here to stay!!!”
	6:23pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: AI making literal the butt joke of 'cause I never forget a face'...
	6:23pm StringOFperils: Exactly. How the f*** do people think police are working today, let alone retailing? They use the available technology to surveil the populace. Wouldn't be much of a police force if they weren't. This should not be surprising or shocking at this time.
	6:23pm StringOFperils: Disturbing, yes!
	6:24pm ultradamno: That synergy is even scarier, that your robot friend is subtly manipulating you into putting all your business to ultimately the same company
	6:24pm David in London: We’re all going to need to have a Gibby Haynes style voice pitcher unit with us at all times.
	🤖 6:25pm Webhamster Henry: Here's some emotion detection research : cs229.stanford.edu...
	6:26pm des: any indie auteurs working on a "slaughterbots" style horror movie using this?
	6:26pm Franco Twinkie: I'm guess the Stasi is the working model for all these new technologies?
	6:27pm Carmichael: My next band will be Anal Recognition.
	🤖 6:27pm Webhamster Henry: At 8pm, Vocal Fry will teach you how to disguise your voice.
	6:28pm Mark Hurst: @Carmichael start the band now, because in a year or two you'd face a copyright suit from Amazon or Google ("that's the official product name of our new SmartToilet (tm)")
	6:28pm Carmichael: Unplug Alexa before you beat your spouse.
	6:28pm Si: The absolute irony of being afraid of someone stealing your recorded voice during a radio interview.
	6:29pm queems: my bf jail broke a firestick and drilled out the microphone for me before he set it up
	🤖 6:29pm Bas NL: If you think about it... kind of endearing to have an algorithm actually listening to everything you say..
	6:29pm ultradamno: ...or maybe Genius Bidet (I guess that would be Apple's)
	6:30pm The Butterman: Carmichael, I’m suing you. Or let me play banjo in the band.
	6:31pm Franco Twinkie: When your partner stops listening to you and your friends no longer return your calls take heart....
	6:31pm JP: I live out in the country-side, one night I was sitting outside enjoying the crickets when I heard faint music from a farm probably two miles away. I could barely make it out, so I wondered what would shazam hear? In less than a second it came up with “Smokin’ in boys room” how do I remember? because Shazam keeps a record of every thing I have ever used it for. does it also keep a record of what I say when I use it??
	6:33pm David in London: Ultradamno, I think Genius Bidet is actually a new series of detective novels about the titular Belgian sleuth.
	6:33pm Mark Hurst: @queems that's really cool. like a scene from a dystopian sci-fi movie
	6:35pm ultradamno: bidetgenius.com Gotta be quick in this game
	6:35pm des: constantly feels like "enemy of the state" all the time
	🤖 6:36pm Mx. Baba Bee (e/they): I'm in the band, too—playing jaw harp!
	6:36pm David in London: ‘Stop wiping. Be shower fresh’ is an amazing tag line.
	6:36pm StringOFperils: I have to cut down on habituation. I'm getting hairy acquiesence
	🤖 6:36pm chresti: Voices change! From now on I'll talk in my high squeaky voice.
	6:36pm Little Danny: I totally understand the resignation. Staying technologically vigilant is indeed an exhausting battle.
	🤖 6:36pm Mx. Baba Bee (e/they): we def need a didgeridoo, too
	🤖 6:37pm chresti: Mx Babakins!
	6:37pm ARB: Still wiping?
	6:38pm Little Danny: wiping is over
	🤖 6:38pm Mx. Baba Bee (e/they): CHRESTIKINS! Let's squeak together and walk with a funny gait wearing giant sombreros
	🤖 6:38pm Mx. Baba Bee (e/they): wait, I already do that
	6:38pm ultradamno: Though immediately following with "Upgrade your life" is a bit of a hat on a hat
	6:38pm yippie: now that u tell me alexa is stoopid it makes me want her even more
	🤖 6:39pm chresti: Ew smart toilets.
	6:39pm Mark Hurst: @des "Enemy of the State" (the Will Smith movie) came up explicitly in Arthur Holland Michel's "Eyes in the Sky," his history of military drones. Listen to our interview from 2019: www.wfmu.org...
	6:39pm StringOFperils: V'GER that's your second mistake!
	6:39pm ultradamno: Is there a dominatrix Alexa voice option, or just a general bad girl?
	6:40pm Franco Twinkie: I wonder if my phone was listening while I was snoring away a little while ago, it was next to me on the bed. And further more, what marketing information could it be deducing from that?
	🤖 6:40pm Ken From Hyde Park: Do those "I've fallen and can't get up" devices have surveillance microphones?
	6:41pm JP: "I don't believe that you've fallen nor that you can't get up... try better"
	🤖 6:41pm tim from washington: It is really difficult in this day and age to find truly critical reviews of anything. Most every type of review seems to be positive.
	6:41pm Mark Hurst: @KenfHP yes, they do. But there's a key difference - the user (and their family members) both know about and consent to that surveillance. Targeted use of this tech is totally fine, in my opinion. It's the broad rollout that's not known, or consented to, that's the problem.
	🤖 6:42pm chresti: Franco, you'll get a phone call from a smart CPAP machine.
	6:43pm The Butterman: Yeah, Baba Bee! Ok, we got banjo, jaw harp… who else is in?
	🤖 6:44pm chresti: I'll play harmonica!
	6:44pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Zero Transparency ...Zero Accountability - Zero Honesty - ALL of the Profit - All of the Control - No Bill of Digital Rights.
	6:44pm StringOFperils: The data on Franco's snoring will make interstellar travel possible for mole rats in 20 years or less.
	🤖 6:45pm PaulRobeson1920: I can sing! @The Butterman
	6:45pm Greg from ZONE 5: "I am very disappointed and terrified." -Marge Simpson
	🤖 6:46pm tim from washington: I predict that unintentional re-enactments of the end of The Conversation will be on the rise.
	6:46pm ultradamno: I can do intermittent disruptive electronics
	6:47pm Franco Twinkie: The only time I listen to NPR is when I'm in my twenty one year old truck. ( I am vaguely interested in the news) Otherwise I've given up on them - to much age specific target marketing. The weekend Dockers/Crocs lifestyle pieces really make me vomit.
	🤖 6:47pm PaulRobeson1920: How would a society have stopped the T.V short of legislation?
	🤖 6:47pm Mx. Baba Bee (e/they) ⚧: this is going to be my favorite band. Franco on stunt snores
	🤖 6:48pm chresti: Alexa baby sitters.
	6:48pm De Fenestrated: Alexa gets jealous. I have played music for a friend at their house when Alexa interrupted saying "can I play that song for you?" my friend woke up the next morning to Alexa playing the song. This is complete surveillance.
	6:49pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Regional NPR Programming is closer to actually being Public radio. Agree about the Bourgeois bullsh*t.
	🤖 6:49pm Bas NL: If people just stopped buying anything advertised. That would break the circle.
	🤖 6:49pm Mx. Baba Bee (e/they) ⚧: thanks, this was great!
	6:49pm The Butterman: Chresti, PaulRobeson, AND Franco on snores! Epic!
	6:49pm David in London: Great interview Mark.
	6:50pm Sam: Back to selling blood and hair like Dickensian England
	6:50pm Little Danny: Thank you Mark and Joe. Fascinating and terrifying as per usual.
	6:50pm Sonderangebot: Thanks for the show Mark. I wasn't too keen on traveling anymore, but being listened to is another deterrent.
	🤖 6:50pm PaulRobeson1920: I agree. Consumer protection. Most People do not know what is good and what is not good regarding this technology Consumer Capitalism? is premised on the idea that the consumer knows what is good and what is not good- that is why advertising to children is against the law?? Am I right about that? Unsure
	🤖 6:51pm Ken From Hyde Park: Imagine if the smart speakers were convincing people to get their vaccines.
	6:51pm ultradamno: The milk duds joke reminds me of the I Think You Should Leave hot dog car gag
	🤖 6:52pm chresti: I predict a growth industry in Darth Vader masks with the voice distorter.
	6:53pm yippie: i would just only talk like chewbacca
	6:53pm Mennlinn Rebarts: "Is Control controlled by its need to control? Answer: yes.". ― William S. Burroughs
	6:53pm Carmichael: I was hoping for an all-theremin band ...
	6:54pm Aggressive Qualities: But yes the fascism is getting thicker in the air. We need to end propaganda But I love the guys granddaughter flogging Alexa like a b
	🤖 6:54pm PaulRobeson1920: path to happiness - 1. Avoid all advertising and 2. live with your friends, have every meal with your friends etc- -Epicurus Is that possible today?
	🤖 6:54pm chresti: Carmichael will play theremin!
	6:55pm Aggressive Qualities: Glorious sunset btw
	6:55pm sim: Isn't voice really for older generations? Gen Z flat out doesn't make phone calls.
	6:55pm Franco Twinkie: One time I was at a yard sale and this guy comes up to me who I haven't seen since high school. He said "I heard your voice from fifty feet away and I knew it was you!" I'm doomed.
	6:55pm Carmichael: @Paul, that's entirely possible. Let me Yelp for a good restaurant, then we'll take pictures of the food and post reviews.
	6:56pm ultradamno: Should it be on you to opt out even if it did work?
	🤖 6:56pm tim from washington: Ooof. This was a doozy today, Mark, but thank you for Joseph Turow's interview.
	6:56pm Sam: It’s like when a journalist or a cop says you’re “off the record.”
	6:56pm Aggressive Qualities: Why can’t Jeopardy just hire Scott Rogowsky and be done with it
	6:57pm sim: What do rich people do? Because you know they don't want to be surveilled.
	6:57pm Sonderangebot: I'm going to do like Gina in Brooklyn 99 and make a soundboard with Captain Holt's voice and that will be my voice from my on.
	6:57pm Carmichael: There must be on "off" switch for the internet. There MUST be.
	6:57pm Sam: Congress has to crack down on this ultimately.
	🤖 6:57pm DjLorraine: I appreciate this show thank you
	🤖 6:57pm PaulRobeson1920: Alexa play “Over The Mountains” by Paul Robeson
	6:58pm Carmichael: I'm using the Stephen Hawking voice thing.
	6:58pm Sam: Just paying your bills, Carmichael. They’ll shut it all off.
	🤖 6:58pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark! Thanks Joe!
	6:58pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: TY DJ MarkHurst - & Joseph Turow ...doing the heavy lifting.
	🤖 6:58pm PaulRobeson1920: @carmichael - oh boy
	6:58pm ARB: Awesome Mark, thanks!
	6:58pm Franco Twinkie: ...AND keep your moth shut!
	6:58pm David in London: Thanks Mark. Good night Technoids.
	6:58pm Sam: Stop paying your bills
	6:59pm Mark Hurst: @ARB thank you!
	6:59pm Stillwell Coney Islander: Thank you Mark
	6:59pm Franco Twinkie: Mouth
	6:59pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone, good comments tonight!
	6:59pm Carmichael: Thanks, Mark. I always feel better after hearing your show. 😜
	🤖 6:59pm PaulRobeson1920: Mouth noise- Thanks Mark! Wowza
	6:59pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: We've Lost Control Again
	🤖 7:00pm chresti: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 7:00pm Ken From Hyde Park: Need an AI conversation generating speaker to keep the surveillance speaker company. Thanks, Mark!
	10:45am ALLEN McDANIEL: BEST TALK SHOW ON WOOF-MU. Only One w/Real, Actionable INFO, and IMPORTANT TOO! SHOULD HAVE MORE DAYS per WK. IT's UP to US!

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