WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from January 24, 2022

Listener comments!
	6:00pm ultradamno: Mark! Techccident Dummies!
	6:01pm listener james from westwood: Evening, Mark and all!
	🤖 6:01pm Handy Haversack: Mark and the Techyon Drives! Techgin needs to be refreshed, but always ready for some Techtonic! Glad to be here with youse.
	6:01pm ultradamno: Mark! Don't be telling Olivia to shut the hell up all the time!
	🤖 6:01pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hello, Mark and people looking up!
	6:01pm tak: ho
	6:02pm queems: howdy
	🤖 6:02pm chresti: Hi Mark and Techtonia!
	6:02pm chris in the redwoods: hello, Mark at home. hello, everyone.
	6:02pm listener james from westwood: Oh, man, 80s arcade games. I knew all the patterns for Excel.
	6:02pm Carmichael: Let's go get the bad guys!
	6:02pm David in London: Evening Mark and all Technoids.
	🤖 6:03pm Handy Haversack: I want to reiterate how inspiring and necessary I found Mark's passion and emotion in last week's show, and how desperately important it is to shock people into facing the price paid in blood and misery for mere convenience. This show is a mitzvah. Speaking of, evening, David!
	🤖 6:03pm tim from washington: Hi Mark! Super happy to be here for my first Techtonic of 2022!
	6:03pm Ciggy: ✌ ✌ ✌
	6:04pm chris in the redwoods: well said, Handy.
	6:04pm Old Dave: No better use of an hour than listening to and learning from this show
	🤖 6:04pm MarciB: Last week's show was epic and really ground-breaking.
	6:05pm chris in the redwoods: well writ? hey, David!
	6:05pm Rolando: My heart broke last week listening to Mark and Darren.
	6:05pm Niall: It was a good and important show last week, Mark.
	🤖 6:05pm Ken From Hyde Park: If you're on the right side of the paywall, there was a NY Times article about the /Don't Look Up/ movie yesterday. www.nytimes.com...
	🤖 6:06pm PaulRobeson1920: Warm greetings from Woodside Queens! Hello one & all!! Lady Liberty flys high @WFMU!
	6:06pm Franco Twinkie: I had a contact melt down Mark, which surprised me!
	6:06pm Sam: I never would have taken that as a meltdown. That was passion and compassion. Mark’s reaction is the normal one.
	6:06pm coelacanth∅: 5G. COMPLY.
	🤖 6:07pm DjLorraine: Good evening proper citizens
	6:07pm queems: i missed last week :/
	🤖 6:07pm Handy Haversack: WORD, Sam.
	6:07pm coelacanth∅: "meltdown" is exactly the term i thought before Marc just used it!
	🤖 6:07pm Bas NL: Hi Mark! hello Markees!
	6:08pm Marie: What China is doing to the Uighers is epically horrible. The more I learn about China, the worse it gets. But, hey, the truth allows us to take good actions
	6:08pm coelacanth∅: ...reminded me of Gary Null losing it (but with much less sanity) over the air on wbai in the 90s.
	🤖 6:08pm tim from washington: I have a dumb ass luddite question. What is 5G and why does it mess with airplanes? I've heard of 4G but I have absolutely no idea what it is.
	6:09pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: I'd like people to stop apologizing for not being sociopaths & reacting with normal human emotions.
	6:09pm David in London: Handy, chris, ultradamno, tim, Coela, Ken et al. Salutations good people.
	6:09pm coelacanth∅: (Null with less sanity)
	🤖 6:09pm chresti: 5 grand?
	🤖 6:09pm tim from washington: Hey DiL!
	6:09pm ultradamno: Hiya DiL!
	6:10pm David in London: Bas, Rev D.
	6:10pm P-90: Have not heard of this podcast. Now I have.
	6:10pm Blobs: Oh my God it's MTV VJ Dave Holmes... Hell yeah.
	🤖 6:10pm Bas NL: Hi David!
	🤖 6:11pm Handy Haversack: tim, I don't have a cell phone, so I'm not expert, but the "G" just means "generation," I think and has no actual technical meaning. It's just the latest cell network with supposedly a higher bandwidth since that's the progression of the tech. And then I guess it also has a magical property to slide seamlessly into fake conspiracy theories that right-wing money PACs create so that elections stay stupid.
	6:11pm chris in the redwoods: tim, what i have heard is the 5G (a radio signal) is at or near the same frequency as some safety features on modern aircraft. so, proximity to those 5G signals could cause interference with the safety systems.
	6:11pm Mark Hurst: Hi everyone, thanks for joining!
	6:11pm coelacanth∅: hey David (iL) tim i'm no expert but it apparently is on the same frequencies as planes' navigational devices, as well as weather-predicting devices.
	🤖 6:12pm Handy Haversack: But they ALREADY wanted phones off on planes so as not to interfere with nav equipment, no?
	6:13pm Ike: What @Handy said at 6:03. Passion about concentration camps and genocide is good and normal, not a "meltdown" IMHO.
	🤖 6:13pm Webhamster Henry: They are in matching white button-downs that is...
	🤖 6:13pm PaulRobeson1920: Oh, deep in my heart I do believe We shall overcome, some dayyyy a A!
	🤖 6:13pm tim from washington: Thanks for the 5G explanation. Makes sense.
	6:13pm Dayvid: I wonder if it’s on the Y-tube?
	6:13pm Sam: Don’t question 5G. It’s just better. Nobody knows why and it doesn’t matter. Just use it, cuz it’s new and better and cost a lot.
	6:14pm ultradamno: And now everybody points!
	6:14pm dday: @Tim. If interested : www.forbes.com...
	6:14pm DanFA: I remember Dave from the days co-hosting TRL on MTV
	🤖 6:15pm Ken From Hyde Park: 6G will be along soon enough and fix any interference issues. Hi, David.
	6:15pm coelacanth∅: Handy it's not just the phones ON the planes. we are all bathing in phone radiation at all times, and the waves travel to and from satellites, so so are the planes. nasa sent firm warnings to not let it go down but just as with the physical ecology of this planet, immediate convenience rules.
	🤖 6:16pm Webhamster Henry: European 5G near airports doed not have this problem, possibly due to better or more thought out antenna design.
	6:17pm Claire from Montclair: Makes me think of the Always Sunny episode where they all get sick
	🤖 6:17pm Handy Haversack: If I'm gonna bathe in all this radiation, do I still have to bathe in water, too? Is there some kind of synergy here that will get me in the capitalist pool parties?
	6:18pm Sam: Nothing like doing a cannonball into a big pool of capital
	6:18pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: I gather 5G uses higher frequencies - or the more actually master 5G does. What Handy says about it not actually being a technical designation probly relevant here... Whether it is actually faster &/or more reliable - for all the pay-in that's already happened - another question... I've heard it may interfere with altimeters in planes...
	6:18pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: actually *Faster
	6:18pm coelacanth∅: Handy now we're on the same page! except bringing beer wont do any more; it has to ne good scotch or hennessy.
	🤖 6:18pm Bas NL: I've heard most mobile phone frequencies interfere with weather radar.
	🤖 6:19pm PaulRobeson1920: Booz is a drug… Alcohol is a strong drug
	6:19pm tak: rip meat loaf. not trolling, he had many thoughts about this
	6:20pm Blobs: I enjoy this point of view from Dave.
	6:20pm coelacanth∅: Bas that seems logical
	🤖 6:21pm Handy Haversack: (Also going to feel extra smug using the ol' rotary phone tonight.)
	6:21pm coelacanth∅: "music" television? i thought it stood for "mindless" television!
	6:22pm (Murakami Whywolf))): Fellow-autists: Are you, too, seemingly lacking this 'hole' that makes people not like what they want? Every time I get what I want I like it; I just wish it happened more.
	🤖 6:22pm PaulRobeson1920: “I don't believe in money Fortune, fame, or dirty lies…”
	6:22pm Ciggy: As per Boost mobile (Sprint), I'm being forced to buy a new cellphone from my dumbest smartphone (3G) to a 5G within the next month or two.
	🤖 6:23pm Webhamster Henry: There was this story in the NYTimes about hedge funders competing with each other and feeling bad at the million dollar salary and benefits level because someone else was making more.
	6:23pm ian: this is so relevant for me because after 20 years of trying, I am about to start my first job working on a Hollywood movie with famous actors next month, and I'm already preparing for the disappointment
	🤖 6:23pm Ken From Hyde Park: Nina Blackwood ruled!
	🤖 6:23pm Folsom: The problem with the altimeters is that the filtering on the altimeter antenna may not filter the 5G signal enough. To keep the 5G signal from interfering with the altimeter they would have to install additional filters on every plane, and I guess that is impractical. There was a similar case from a company called LightSquared, that would interfere with GPS, they had to stop their development.
	🤖 6:23pm Webhamster Henry: ... you don't have to kill those people, just tax them into equality.
	6:24pm Mark Hurst: @ian congrats on making it to that project - interested to hear how it goes!
	6:24pm Sam: Yeah, all of a sudden your private island isn’t good enough. It doesn’t even have a rainforest!
	🤖 6:25pm Webhamster Henry: They all need to read the Grimms' "The Fisherman and his Wife".
	6:25pm DaveHolmes: Hey Techtonic Nation! I’m a bit late, but I’m happy to be with you.
	6:25pm (((Murakami Whywolf): Beside all the other reasons, I think musicians, actors, and artists tend to be on the Left side of things because any honest such know in their guts that for every 'success' there are at least ten 'also-rans' of equal or superior ability. Even the 'successes', modulo a few nuts (who tend to be rightists) know that luck played a big part in their success.
	6:25pm Mark Hurst: @DaveHolmes welcome! Thanks for joining us.
	6:25pm Claire from Montclair: I have the podcast cued up on stitcher!
	6:25pm Rolando: Marks recommendations are always a safe bet.
	🤖 6:26pm Bas NL: (Queue Frank Sinatra)
	6:26pm coelacanth∅: Ciggy that just happened to me, with tracphone. i let it sit on the kitchen table for a week then turned it on and disabled almost everything on it. then i tried to transfer my phone # and it wouldn't work i had no phone for a couple days. ultimately i got it working, after several calls to them; no google and shit (though it wont let me delete it completely) but the camera wont work without the microphone enabled. so no camera.
	6:27pm Vince: It’s easier, especially being raised in capitalism, to always be focused on what we don’t have, when we should be focused on what we do have and be grateful and appreciate the work we did to get what we do have.
	🤖 6:27pm PaulRobeson1920: We shall, we shall not be moved!
	6:28pm Sam: Greetings Dave Holmes!
	6:28pm (Murakami Whywolf))): Ciggy: For GSM phones, at least one doesn't seem to have to get a 5G phone, a phone which can handle VoLTE on Band 12 will do. At least that's what Ting say for their clients, I think they use TMobile towers.
	6:28pm Dayvid: Hey guys
	🤖 6:30pm PaulRobeson1920: A grateful disposition is free!
	6:30pm Sam: Kurt Loder was the man
	6:30pm adampsyche: he sure was
	6:30pm Blobs: @DaveHolmes - thank you for the childhood memories, you were a great VJ! What ever happened to Jesse Camp...? I will need to listen to the pod, I guess.
	🤖 6:31pm MarciB: I can't wait to listen to this podcast with @DaveHolmes!
	6:31pm Fox: Lyme Disease went undiagnosed and wrecked me for decades, using up my 20s and 30s looking for answers, ultimately resulting in my being on disability. The greatest silver lining of this is my inability to compare myself to others, or judge my personal success on outside validation. Any art I make is after decades of nerve damage and brain inflammation. Comparison is useless. Everything I do or create is for the making, it's all for me. I am free of traditional competitive ambition, and it's pretty great. I'm just happy to exist and feel capable of joy.
	6:32pm Fox: This whole podcast reminds me of the Alan Watts buddhist tale with the farmer who repeatedly says "maybe" to everything that happens, never taking a stance of events as being good or bad as we never know what will happen as a result.
	6:33pm (((Murakami Whywolf): Vince: At this risibly primitive level of technology it's inevitable that a lot of people will be unhappy regardless of how we try to divide-up the unhappiness, we're just that inept. We have to get even better at manipulating the matter and forces that make us and everything we need for survival. Keep us from deteriorating and dying, usually well before only a century, free even more of us from horribly mandatory labour in agriculture and then in offices, and so free us from bosses as some of us have been freed from the worst of political hierarchy and despots, and then maybe we can talk about some chance of feeling good.
	6:34pm Ciggy: @coelacanth∅ ~ I only talk & text - but there is that temptation / feeling to have what are perceived to be necessary Apps.
	6:35pm upstatesean: So Mark doesn’t always talk about technology anymore? It’s been a while since I’ve heard the show
	6:36pm Mark Hurst: @Fox thanks for sharing your story
	6:36pm Old Dave: Hey Fox that's a hard story and appreciate your sharing. Sure you know why fox are important in Lyme control? They eat the damn mice...
	6:36pm coelacanth∅: Ciggy i'm considering switching companies to tello - $7/month, no contract. (now that i got tracphone to send me a new phone!)
	🤖 6:37pm PaulRobeson1920: “Whether or not it draws on new scientific research, technology is a branch of moral philosophy, not of science…” All our inventions are but improved means to an unimproved end - Neil Postman
	6:37pm (Murakami Whywolf))): I'm basically Victorian in outlook: I'm very alert to things claiming to be 'healing' or 'self-care' that look to me more like advanced-level excuses. I want the dignity of setting high standards for myself and knowing that I have failed when I have. (This is very different to accepting the ones imposed on me externally, screw them.)
	6:38pm Dayvid: Hey Dave Holmes. This is weirdly specifically helpful to me in relation to my new job. Thanks for sharing
	6:39pm Ike: @coel, as far as I can determine, for someone like me who rarely uses talk OR text OR data, the absolute cheapest plans are H2O (the pay-as-you-go plans) or maybe Page Plus or Virgin Mobile. www.h2owireless.com...
	6:39pm Rolando: I love the journey, there is no way I'm going to skip forward.
	🤖 6:40pm PaulRobeson1920: @Rolando: Hi! Nice to make your acquaintance !
	6:40pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Bucky Fuller & Terence McKenna posited that humanity has reached a point where we have the means to house & feed everyone & reduce much suffering ...IF that was really our species' values & motivation. We should be Celebrating. Instead - environmental degradation, war, economic injustice continue...
	6:41pm ?: @sam Kurt Loder remains the man.
	6:41pm WR: Margaret Cho is part of the journey, I'm there.
	6:41pm coelacanth∅: Ike i used virgin mobile for a minute and liked it but when i moved to where i live now it wouldn't work here.
	6:42pm DaveHolmes: @dayvid I’m so glad to hear it! Break a leg in the new job.
	🤖 6:43pm Ken From Hyde Park: I'd like to see them bring back Headbangers Ball. That was a hoot.
	6:43pm Mark Hurst: @WR she appears in ep10. but make sure to listen to eps1-9 first!
	🤖 6:43pm PaulRobeson1920: All together now! We shall, we shall not be moved!
	6:44pm coelacanth∅: i don't want a payasyougo thing. tracfone takes $35 from my bank account every 2 months and i have far more minutes than i need. one less thing to think about.
	6:44pm Blobs: Very thoughtful interview - thank you, Mark & Dave.
	🤖 6:45pm Handy Haversack: Gonna be cooking, so I'll go ahead and say thanks now, Mark! I don't know how to fit a podcast into my deliciously decadent urban lifestyle choices (and WFMU addiction), but I have enjoyed the conversation. Glad to see you, Fox!
	6:45pm coelacanth∅: ...but i hate that they only have dumbphones, and i hate that the only free ones are touch-screen.
	6:45pm castor: Dave, I just wanna say I was a huge teenage TRL fan and remember watching that contest btwn you and that other crazy guy. I liked both of you for different reasons and was glad that you ended up on MTV in the end!
	🤖 6:45pm PaulRobeson1920: We shall not, we shall not be moved! We shall not, we shall not be moved Just like a tree that's planted by the waters We shall not be moved!
	6:45pm Rolando: @PaulRobeson1920 Likewise nice to meet you.
	6:46pm Ike: @coel, I always bring my own phone. Virgin Mobile uses Sprint's network, which is generally thought to be one of the worst. H2O uses AT&T's network. Last I heard, Page Plus uses Verizon's network, probably the best one.
	6:46pm DaveHolmes: Thank you, @castor! It all worked out in the end.
	🤖 6:46pm PaulRobeson1920: @Rolando I’m wondering, do you have a day job? & it’s ok U don’t have to answer
	6:47pm (((Murakami Whywolf): Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Some are on top and want to stay there, which is understandable. Scarcity put them there, and as such they likely can't believe that it could be over, and even if they could a lot of us couldn't, because it's _dangerous_ to think Scarcity is over when it isn't—I think that was the hippies' main mistake, the morality post- _must_ be very different to the anti–free-rider morality during. (Someone wrote that fear of free riders is all that made mutual aid possible when things were very scarce.)
	6:47pm Ike: Some of the Pay As You Go plans refill automatically, thought I've had some trouble with H2O with that, so I don't recommend them if you want the most hands-off way to go. It doesn't always refill every 90 days like it's supposed to. I think Page Plus is more reliable for that.
	🤖 6:49pm Webhamster Henry: Of interest to Techtonic listeners: Got a few hours? This is fantastic! It also covers the 2008 crisis and Crypto currencies and lots and lots more! Caution: really long even though he talks really fast. www.youtube.com...
	6:49pm upstatesean: Great connection
	6:50pm coelacanth∅: i'll check it out anyway. i'm pretty okay with tello's unlimited minutes, $7/month plan. i think it uses verizon towers. ...but i have to find out if tracphone will unlock the phone they gave me. probably not.
	6:50pm DaveHolmes: Top notch teasing, Mark!
	6:51pm Rolando: After listening to last weeks podcast you have to be a massive optimist to believe that we can get off the trajectory we have been on for the past 10 years or so. Thank you Mark for your years and years of excellent service and encouragement.
	6:52pm coelacanth∅: Marc, for the record, i called it a meltdown, as you did; but that doesn't mean i don't appreciate it and respect it.
	6:52pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: @Whywolf: Thx for response. Interesting - but I kind of lose you about halfway cause indefinite references & broke down sentence structure...
	🤖 6:53pm tim from washington: I'd like to see Tesla become the new PT Cruiser.
	6:54pm coelacanth∅: haha
	6:55pm coelacanth∅: the tesla car itself is a surveillance device.
	🤖 6:55pm PaulRobeson1920: @RevRabbit63 : Bucky Fuller wrote we must invest in Livingry rather than Killingry
	🤖 6:55pm Bas NL: Tesla sets you free.
	6:55pm Franco Twinkie: Technology is like drugs or guns - by themselves, what, inert stuff? I don't know what to call it. You know where I'm going with this, so I'll just shut up and go get a cup of coffee.
	6:55pm Sam: You’ve got NBA stars apologizing, in mandarin, for daring to say Taiwan was a country. You think anyone powerful is going to call out the death camps?
	6:56pm ultradamno: Have even the Sacklers said anything comparable to that about the opioid crises?...I'm sure they think it, but the gall...
	6:56pm Sam: Back to the paper 1040 form I guess. Staple those W2’s on there. Way simpler.
	🤖 6:56pm DjLorraine: Truth, my friend had to do the facial recognition
	6:57pm wendy del formaggio: OMG Mark! I think my mom is struggling with IDMe right now in order to collect unemployment from the NJ DOL. This is fucked up!
	6:57pm Ike: @coel, I've never tried Tello. Looking into that now, thanks. Oh, interesting, good prices, and you can build your own plan with just 100 minutes and no data per month, or just 500 MB per month, etc. Looks like it's on the T-Mobile network.
	6:57pm castor: Mark, I have been reading “The Dawn of Everything” and think there’s a lot in there that you can make connections with on your show, esp regarding the role of tech in society and possibilities for a better future. Just putting it out there as a recommended reading and that if you’re interested you should see about getting David Wengrow on your show!
	6:57pm listener 126464: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:57pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark & Dave!
	6:57pm ultradamno: See you in two weeks.
	6:58pm listener james from westwood: Take care, Mark, and enjoy the well-earned break!
	🤖 6:58pm tim from washington: Thanks, Mark! Have a good week off. I'll stay tuned for Staysh!
	🤖 6:58pm PaulRobeson1920: Peace&Love Ya’ll!! Thank you Mark & WFMU
	6:58pm coelacanth∅: gee, there's a shocker. and thank you shithead biden, by the way, for being of the wealthy people, for the wealthy people.
	6:58pm David in London: Thanks Mark. Night all.
	6:58pm StringOFperils: Thanks Mark! Keep ridin' shotgun on the robot frontier.
	6:58pm DaveHolmes: Thank you for having me, Mark! Have a great 2022 y’all.
	6:58pm Rolando: Try having four children and pretending this does not affect you or your children, it gets exponentially more frightening. I am feeling it here in Australia (like you won't believe) it is honestly like 1984, even my church has been giving me the cold shoulder. Remember I'm an ordinary peaceful chap, just living my life with my family and doing my best to say out of trouble.
	🤖 6:58pm chresti: Thanks Mark and Dave!
	🤖 6:58pm Webhamster Henry: Thanks Mark & Dave!
	🤖 6:58pm Ken From Hyde Park: Will it be the Piña Colada song?
	6:58pm WR: Thank you Mark and guest David Holmes.
	6:59pm Sam: Great show, thanks!
	6:59pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone! Special thanks to @DaveHolmes for being with us. Everyone should listen to "Waiting for Impact"!
	6:59pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: @Franco: I posit that - a drug with a low threshold for overdose & addiction is not quite equivalent to a psychedelic - nor is a gun to a spoon... As for Tech, who controls them & what effects the things themselves have on human & societies - I do see as two different questions - which obviously relate...
	🤖 6:59pm Will the Sound Guy: Thank you Mark!!!! Enjoy the week off
	6:59pm castor: Thanks Mark and Dave!
	6:59pm Sam: Next week Pauly Shore?
	6:59pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:59pm Will the Sound Guy: Thank you Dave for your time and input!
	🤖 6:59pm PaulRobeson1920: Thank you, Dave! Good stuff!!! A grateful disposition is free baby. Feed your head
	🤖 7:00pm Webhamster Henry: id.me will be an excellent DOS target.
	7:00pm ultradamno: Did he just say the devil is in his pants?
	🤖 7:00pm Ken From Hyde Park: Neat, I had one of those water donut game thingies. Thanks, Mark & Dave. Good luck!

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from January 24, 2022

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January 24, 2022: Dave Holmes, creator, "Waiting for Impact" podcast

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Tonight: Dave Holmes, creator and host of the 10-episode "Waiting for Impact" podcast

Links:

• Waiting for Impact: A Dave Holmes Passion Project (podcast homepage)

• @DaveHolmes (Twitter)

• Dave Holmes writing in Esquire

• Party of One: A Memoir in 21 Songs, by Dave Holmes (2016 book)

• Motownphilly video, by Boyz II Men (or you can jump to Sudden Impact pointing)

• Dog's Eye View - Everything Falls Apart, featuring Peter Stuart

• MargaretCho.com

• MichaelHearst.com (you can also listen to Mark's interview of Michael on the Jan 1, 2022 Double-Dip Recess)

• IRS face recognition program raises hackles (Axios, today, January 24, 2022) - summarizing a Jan 19 post by Brian Krebs: “by the summer of 2022, the only way to log in to irs.gov will be through ID.me, an online identity verification service that requires applicants to submit copies of bills and identity documents, as well as a live video feed of their faces via a mobile device.”

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Listener comments!
	6:00pm ultradamno: Mark! Techccident Dummies!
	6:01pm listener james from westwood: Evening, Mark and all!
	🤖 6:01pm Handy Haversack: Mark and the Techyon Drives! Techgin needs to be refreshed, but always ready for some Techtonic! Glad to be here with youse.
	6:01pm ultradamno: Mark! Don't be telling Olivia to shut the hell up all the time!
	🤖 6:01pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hello, Mark and people looking up!
	6:01pm tak: ho
	6:02pm queems: howdy
	🤖 6:02pm chresti: Hi Mark and Techtonia!
	6:02pm chris in the redwoods: hello, Mark at home. hello, everyone.
	6:02pm listener james from westwood: Oh, man, 80s arcade games. I knew all the patterns for Excel.
	6:02pm Carmichael: Let's go get the bad guys!
	6:02pm David in London: Evening Mark and all Technoids.
	🤖 6:03pm Handy Haversack: I want to reiterate how inspiring and necessary I found Mark's passion and emotion in last week's show, and how desperately important it is to shock people into facing the price paid in blood and misery for mere convenience. This show is a mitzvah. Speaking of, evening, David!
	🤖 6:03pm tim from washington: Hi Mark! Super happy to be here for my first Techtonic of 2022!
	6:03pm Ciggy: ✌ ✌ ✌
	6:04pm chris in the redwoods: well said, Handy.
	6:04pm Old Dave: No better use of an hour than listening to and learning from this show
	🤖 6:04pm MarciB: Last week's show was epic and really ground-breaking.
	6:05pm chris in the redwoods: well writ? hey, David!
	6:05pm Rolando: My heart broke last week listening to Mark and Darren.
	6:05pm Niall: It was a good and important show last week, Mark.
	🤖 6:05pm Ken From Hyde Park: If you're on the right side of the paywall, there was a NY Times article about the /Don't Look Up/ movie yesterday. www.nytimes.com...
	🤖 6:06pm PaulRobeson1920: Warm greetings from Woodside Queens! Hello one & all!! Lady Liberty flys high @WFMU!
	6:06pm Franco Twinkie: I had a contact melt down Mark, which surprised me!
	6:06pm Sam: I never would have taken that as a meltdown. That was passion and compassion. Mark’s reaction is the normal one.
	6:06pm coelacanth∅: 5G. COMPLY.
	🤖 6:07pm DjLorraine: Good evening proper citizens
	6:07pm queems: i missed last week :/
	🤖 6:07pm Handy Haversack: WORD, Sam.
	6:07pm coelacanth∅: "meltdown" is exactly the term i thought before Marc just used it!
	🤖 6:07pm Bas NL: Hi Mark! hello Markees!
	6:08pm Marie: What China is doing to the Uighers is epically horrible. The more I learn about China, the worse it gets. But, hey, the truth allows us to take good actions
	6:08pm coelacanth∅: ...reminded me of Gary Null losing it (but with much less sanity) over the air on wbai in the 90s.
	🤖 6:08pm tim from washington: I have a dumb ass luddite question. What is 5G and why does it mess with airplanes? I've heard of 4G but I have absolutely no idea what it is.
	6:09pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: I'd like people to stop apologizing for not being sociopaths & reacting with normal human emotions.
	6:09pm David in London: Handy, chris, ultradamno, tim, Coela, Ken et al. Salutations good people.
	6:09pm coelacanth∅: (Null with less sanity)
	🤖 6:09pm chresti: 5 grand?
	🤖 6:09pm tim from washington: Hey DiL!
	6:09pm ultradamno: Hiya DiL!
	6:10pm David in London: Bas, Rev D.
	6:10pm P-90: Have not heard of this podcast. Now I have.
	6:10pm Blobs: Oh my God it's MTV VJ Dave Holmes... Hell yeah.
	🤖 6:10pm Bas NL: Hi David!
	🤖 6:11pm Handy Haversack: tim, I don't have a cell phone, so I'm not expert, but the "G" just means "generation," I think and has no actual technical meaning. It's just the latest cell network with supposedly a higher bandwidth since that's the progression of the tech. And then I guess it also has a magical property to slide seamlessly into fake conspiracy theories that right-wing money PACs create so that elections stay stupid.
	6:11pm chris in the redwoods: tim, what i have heard is the 5G (a radio signal) is at or near the same frequency as some safety features on modern aircraft. so, proximity to those 5G signals could cause interference with the safety systems.
	6:11pm Mark Hurst: Hi everyone, thanks for joining!
	6:11pm coelacanth∅: hey David (iL) tim i'm no expert but it apparently is on the same frequencies as planes' navigational devices, as well as weather-predicting devices.
	🤖 6:12pm Handy Haversack: But they ALREADY wanted phones off on planes so as not to interfere with nav equipment, no?
	6:13pm Ike: What @Handy said at 6:03. Passion about concentration camps and genocide is good and normal, not a "meltdown" IMHO.
	🤖 6:13pm Webhamster Henry: They are in matching white button-downs that is...
	🤖 6:13pm PaulRobeson1920: Oh, deep in my heart I do believe We shall overcome, some dayyyy a A!
	🤖 6:13pm tim from washington: Thanks for the 5G explanation. Makes sense.
	6:13pm Dayvid: I wonder if it’s on the Y-tube?
	6:13pm Sam: Don’t question 5G. It’s just better. Nobody knows why and it doesn’t matter. Just use it, cuz it’s new and better and cost a lot.
	6:14pm ultradamno: And now everybody points!
	6:14pm dday: @Tim. If interested : www.forbes.com...
	6:14pm DanFA: I remember Dave from the days co-hosting TRL on MTV
	🤖 6:15pm Ken From Hyde Park: 6G will be along soon enough and fix any interference issues. Hi, David.
	6:15pm coelacanth∅: Handy it's not just the phones ON the planes. we are all bathing in phone radiation at all times, and the waves travel to and from satellites, so so are the planes. nasa sent firm warnings to not let it go down but just as with the physical ecology of this planet, immediate convenience rules.
	🤖 6:16pm Webhamster Henry: European 5G near airports doed not have this problem, possibly due to better or more thought out antenna design.
	6:17pm Claire from Montclair: Makes me think of the Always Sunny episode where they all get sick
	🤖 6:17pm Handy Haversack: If I'm gonna bathe in all this radiation, do I still have to bathe in water, too? Is there some kind of synergy here that will get me in the capitalist pool parties?
	6:18pm Sam: Nothing like doing a cannonball into a big pool of capital
	6:18pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: I gather 5G uses higher frequencies - or the more actually master 5G does. What Handy says about it not actually being a technical designation probly relevant here... Whether it is actually faster &/or more reliable - for all the pay-in that's already happened - another question... I've heard it may interfere with altimeters in planes...
	6:18pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: actually *Faster
	6:18pm coelacanth∅: Handy now we're on the same page! except bringing beer wont do any more; it has to ne good scotch or hennessy.
	🤖 6:18pm Bas NL: I've heard most mobile phone frequencies interfere with weather radar.
	🤖 6:19pm PaulRobeson1920: Booz is a drug… Alcohol is a strong drug
	6:19pm tak: rip meat loaf. not trolling, he had many thoughts about this
	6:20pm Blobs: I enjoy this point of view from Dave.
	6:20pm coelacanth∅: Bas that seems logical
	🤖 6:21pm Handy Haversack: (Also going to feel extra smug using the ol' rotary phone tonight.)
	6:21pm coelacanth∅: "music" television? i thought it stood for "mindless" television!
	6:22pm (Murakami Whywolf))): Fellow-autists: Are you, too, seemingly lacking this 'hole' that makes people not like what they want? Every time I get what I want I like it; I just wish it happened more.
	🤖 6:22pm PaulRobeson1920: “I don't believe in money Fortune, fame, or dirty lies…”
	6:22pm Ciggy: As per Boost mobile (Sprint), I'm being forced to buy a new cellphone from my dumbest smartphone (3G) to a 5G within the next month or two.
	🤖 6:23pm Webhamster Henry: There was this story in the NYTimes about hedge funders competing with each other and feeling bad at the million dollar salary and benefits level because someone else was making more.
	6:23pm ian: this is so relevant for me because after 20 years of trying, I am about to start my first job working on a Hollywood movie with famous actors next month, and I'm already preparing for the disappointment
	🤖 6:23pm Ken From Hyde Park: Nina Blackwood ruled!
	🤖 6:23pm Folsom: The problem with the altimeters is that the filtering on the altimeter antenna may not filter the 5G signal enough. To keep the 5G signal from interfering with the altimeter they would have to install additional filters on every plane, and I guess that is impractical. There was a similar case from a company called LightSquared, that would interfere with GPS, they had to stop their development.
	🤖 6:23pm Webhamster Henry: ... you don't have to kill those people, just tax them into equality.
	6:24pm Mark Hurst: @ian congrats on making it to that project - interested to hear how it goes!
	6:24pm Sam: Yeah, all of a sudden your private island isn’t good enough. It doesn’t even have a rainforest!
	🤖 6:25pm Webhamster Henry: They all need to read the Grimms' "The Fisherman and his Wife".
	6:25pm DaveHolmes: Hey Techtonic Nation! I’m a bit late, but I’m happy to be with you.
	6:25pm (((Murakami Whywolf): Beside all the other reasons, I think musicians, actors, and artists tend to be on the Left side of things because any honest such know in their guts that for every 'success' there are at least ten 'also-rans' of equal or superior ability. Even the 'successes', modulo a few nuts (who tend to be rightists) know that luck played a big part in their success.
	6:25pm Mark Hurst: @DaveHolmes welcome! Thanks for joining us.
	6:25pm Claire from Montclair: I have the podcast cued up on stitcher!
	6:25pm Rolando: Marks recommendations are always a safe bet.
	🤖 6:26pm Bas NL: (Queue Frank Sinatra)
	6:26pm coelacanth∅: Ciggy that just happened to me, with tracphone. i let it sit on the kitchen table for a week then turned it on and disabled almost everything on it. then i tried to transfer my phone # and it wouldn't work i had no phone for a couple days. ultimately i got it working, after several calls to them; no google and shit (though it wont let me delete it completely) but the camera wont work without the microphone enabled. so no camera.
	6:27pm Vince: It’s easier, especially being raised in capitalism, to always be focused on what we don’t have, when we should be focused on what we do have and be grateful and appreciate the work we did to get what we do have.
	🤖 6:27pm PaulRobeson1920: We shall, we shall not be moved!
	6:28pm Sam: Greetings Dave Holmes!
	6:28pm (Murakami Whywolf))): Ciggy: For GSM phones, at least one doesn't seem to have to get a 5G phone, a phone which can handle VoLTE on Band 12 will do. At least that's what Ting say for their clients, I think they use TMobile towers.
	6:28pm Dayvid: Hey guys
	🤖 6:30pm PaulRobeson1920: A grateful disposition is free!
	6:30pm Sam: Kurt Loder was the man
	6:30pm adampsyche: he sure was
	6:30pm Blobs: @DaveHolmes - thank you for the childhood memories, you were a great VJ! What ever happened to Jesse Camp...? I will need to listen to the pod, I guess.
	🤖 6:31pm MarciB: I can't wait to listen to this podcast with @DaveHolmes!
	6:31pm Fox: Lyme Disease went undiagnosed and wrecked me for decades, using up my 20s and 30s looking for answers, ultimately resulting in my being on disability. The greatest silver lining of this is my inability to compare myself to others, or judge my personal success on outside validation. Any art I make is after decades of nerve damage and brain inflammation. Comparison is useless. Everything I do or create is for the making, it's all for me. I am free of traditional competitive ambition, and it's pretty great. I'm just happy to exist and feel capable of joy.
	6:32pm Fox: This whole podcast reminds me of the Alan Watts buddhist tale with the farmer who repeatedly says "maybe" to everything that happens, never taking a stance of events as being good or bad as we never know what will happen as a result.
	6:33pm (((Murakami Whywolf): Vince: At this risibly primitive level of technology it's inevitable that a lot of people will be unhappy regardless of how we try to divide-up the unhappiness, we're just that inept. We have to get even better at manipulating the matter and forces that make us and everything we need for survival. Keep us from deteriorating and dying, usually well before only a century, free even more of us from horribly mandatory labour in agriculture and then in offices, and so free us from bosses as some of us have been freed from the worst of political hierarchy and despots, and then maybe we can talk about some chance of feeling good.
	6:34pm Ciggy: @coelacanth∅ ~ I only talk & text - but there is that temptation / feeling to have what are perceived to be necessary Apps.
	6:35pm upstatesean: So Mark doesn’t always talk about technology anymore? It’s been a while since I’ve heard the show
	6:36pm Mark Hurst: @Fox thanks for sharing your story
	6:36pm Old Dave: Hey Fox that's a hard story and appreciate your sharing. Sure you know why fox are important in Lyme control? They eat the damn mice...
	6:36pm coelacanth∅: Ciggy i'm considering switching companies to tello - $7/month, no contract. (now that i got tracphone to send me a new phone!)
	🤖 6:37pm PaulRobeson1920: “Whether or not it draws on new scientific research, technology is a branch of moral philosophy, not of science…” All our inventions are but improved means to an unimproved end - Neil Postman
	6:37pm (Murakami Whywolf))): I'm basically Victorian in outlook: I'm very alert to things claiming to be 'healing' or 'self-care' that look to me more like advanced-level excuses. I want the dignity of setting high standards for myself and knowing that I have failed when I have. (This is very different to accepting the ones imposed on me externally, screw them.)
	6:38pm Dayvid: Hey Dave Holmes. This is weirdly specifically helpful to me in relation to my new job. Thanks for sharing
	6:39pm Ike: @coel, as far as I can determine, for someone like me who rarely uses talk OR text OR data, the absolute cheapest plans are H2O (the pay-as-you-go plans) or maybe Page Plus or Virgin Mobile. www.h2owireless.com...
	6:39pm Rolando: I love the journey, there is no way I'm going to skip forward.
	🤖 6:40pm PaulRobeson1920: @Rolando: Hi! Nice to make your acquaintance !
	6:40pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Bucky Fuller & Terence McKenna posited that humanity has reached a point where we have the means to house & feed everyone & reduce much suffering ...IF that was really our species' values & motivation. We should be Celebrating. Instead - environmental degradation, war, economic injustice continue...
	6:41pm ?: @sam Kurt Loder remains the man.
	6:41pm WR: Margaret Cho is part of the journey, I'm there.
	6:41pm coelacanth∅: Ike i used virgin mobile for a minute and liked it but when i moved to where i live now it wouldn't work here.
	6:42pm DaveHolmes: @dayvid I’m so glad to hear it! Break a leg in the new job.
	🤖 6:43pm Ken From Hyde Park: I'd like to see them bring back Headbangers Ball. That was a hoot.
	6:43pm Mark Hurst: @WR she appears in ep10. but make sure to listen to eps1-9 first!
	🤖 6:43pm PaulRobeson1920: All together now! We shall, we shall not be moved!
	6:44pm coelacanth∅: i don't want a payasyougo thing. tracfone takes $35 from my bank account every 2 months and i have far more minutes than i need. one less thing to think about.
	6:44pm Blobs: Very thoughtful interview - thank you, Mark & Dave.
	🤖 6:45pm Handy Haversack: Gonna be cooking, so I'll go ahead and say thanks now, Mark! I don't know how to fit a podcast into my deliciously decadent urban lifestyle choices (and WFMU addiction), but I have enjoyed the conversation. Glad to see you, Fox!
	6:45pm coelacanth∅: ...but i hate that they only have dumbphones, and i hate that the only free ones are touch-screen.
	6:45pm castor: Dave, I just wanna say I was a huge teenage TRL fan and remember watching that contest btwn you and that other crazy guy. I liked both of you for different reasons and was glad that you ended up on MTV in the end!
	🤖 6:45pm PaulRobeson1920: We shall not, we shall not be moved! We shall not, we shall not be moved Just like a tree that's planted by the waters We shall not be moved!
	6:45pm Rolando: @PaulRobeson1920 Likewise nice to meet you.
	6:46pm Ike: @coel, I always bring my own phone. Virgin Mobile uses Sprint's network, which is generally thought to be one of the worst. H2O uses AT&T's network. Last I heard, Page Plus uses Verizon's network, probably the best one.
	6:46pm DaveHolmes: Thank you, @castor! It all worked out in the end.
	🤖 6:46pm PaulRobeson1920: @Rolando I’m wondering, do you have a day job? & it’s ok U don’t have to answer
	6:47pm (((Murakami Whywolf): Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Some are on top and want to stay there, which is understandable. Scarcity put them there, and as such they likely can't believe that it could be over, and even if they could a lot of us couldn't, because it's _dangerous_ to think Scarcity is over when it isn't—I think that was the hippies' main mistake, the morality post- _must_ be very different to the anti–free-rider morality during. (Someone wrote that fear of free riders is all that made mutual aid possible when things were very scarce.)
	6:47pm Ike: Some of the Pay As You Go plans refill automatically, thought I've had some trouble with H2O with that, so I don't recommend them if you want the most hands-off way to go. It doesn't always refill every 90 days like it's supposed to. I think Page Plus is more reliable for that.
	🤖 6:49pm Webhamster Henry: Of interest to Techtonic listeners: Got a few hours? This is fantastic! It also covers the 2008 crisis and Crypto currencies and lots and lots more! Caution: really long even though he talks really fast. www.youtube.com...
	6:49pm upstatesean: Great connection
	6:50pm coelacanth∅: i'll check it out anyway. i'm pretty okay with tello's unlimited minutes, $7/month plan. i think it uses verizon towers. ...but i have to find out if tracphone will unlock the phone they gave me. probably not.
	6:50pm DaveHolmes: Top notch teasing, Mark!
	6:51pm Rolando: After listening to last weeks podcast you have to be a massive optimist to believe that we can get off the trajectory we have been on for the past 10 years or so. Thank you Mark for your years and years of excellent service and encouragement.
	6:52pm coelacanth∅: Marc, for the record, i called it a meltdown, as you did; but that doesn't mean i don't appreciate it and respect it.
	6:52pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: @Whywolf: Thx for response. Interesting - but I kind of lose you about halfway cause indefinite references & broke down sentence structure...
	🤖 6:53pm tim from washington: I'd like to see Tesla become the new PT Cruiser.
	6:54pm coelacanth∅: haha
	6:55pm coelacanth∅: the tesla car itself is a surveillance device.
	🤖 6:55pm PaulRobeson1920: @RevRabbit63 : Bucky Fuller wrote we must invest in Livingry rather than Killingry
	🤖 6:55pm Bas NL: Tesla sets you free.
	6:55pm Franco Twinkie: Technology is like drugs or guns - by themselves, what, inert stuff? I don't know what to call it. You know where I'm going with this, so I'll just shut up and go get a cup of coffee.
	6:55pm Sam: You’ve got NBA stars apologizing, in mandarin, for daring to say Taiwan was a country. You think anyone powerful is going to call out the death camps?
	6:56pm ultradamno: Have even the Sacklers said anything comparable to that about the opioid crises?...I'm sure they think it, but the gall...
	6:56pm Sam: Back to the paper 1040 form I guess. Staple those W2’s on there. Way simpler.
	🤖 6:56pm DjLorraine: Truth, my friend had to do the facial recognition
	6:57pm wendy del formaggio: OMG Mark! I think my mom is struggling with IDMe right now in order to collect unemployment from the NJ DOL. This is fucked up!
	6:57pm Ike: @coel, I've never tried Tello. Looking into that now, thanks. Oh, interesting, good prices, and you can build your own plan with just 100 minutes and no data per month, or just 500 MB per month, etc. Looks like it's on the T-Mobile network.
	6:57pm castor: Mark, I have been reading “The Dawn of Everything” and think there’s a lot in there that you can make connections with on your show, esp regarding the role of tech in society and possibilities for a better future. Just putting it out there as a recommended reading and that if you’re interested you should see about getting David Wengrow on your show!
	6:57pm listener 126464: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:57pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark & Dave!
	6:57pm ultradamno: See you in two weeks.
	6:58pm listener james from westwood: Take care, Mark, and enjoy the well-earned break!
	🤖 6:58pm tim from washington: Thanks, Mark! Have a good week off. I'll stay tuned for Staysh!
	🤖 6:58pm PaulRobeson1920: Peace&Love Ya’ll!! Thank you Mark & WFMU
	6:58pm coelacanth∅: gee, there's a shocker. and thank you shithead biden, by the way, for being of the wealthy people, for the wealthy people.
	6:58pm David in London: Thanks Mark. Night all.
	6:58pm StringOFperils: Thanks Mark! Keep ridin' shotgun on the robot frontier.
	6:58pm DaveHolmes: Thank you for having me, Mark! Have a great 2022 y’all.
	6:58pm Rolando: Try having four children and pretending this does not affect you or your children, it gets exponentially more frightening. I am feeling it here in Australia (like you won't believe) it is honestly like 1984, even my church has been giving me the cold shoulder. Remember I'm an ordinary peaceful chap, just living my life with my family and doing my best to say out of trouble.
	🤖 6:58pm chresti: Thanks Mark and Dave!
	🤖 6:58pm Webhamster Henry: Thanks Mark & Dave!
	🤖 6:58pm Ken From Hyde Park: Will it be the Piña Colada song?
	6:58pm WR: Thank you Mark and guest David Holmes.
	6:59pm Sam: Great show, thanks!
	6:59pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone! Special thanks to @DaveHolmes for being with us. Everyone should listen to "Waiting for Impact"!
	6:59pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: @Franco: I posit that - a drug with a low threshold for overdose & addiction is not quite equivalent to a psychedelic - nor is a gun to a spoon... As for Tech, who controls them & what effects the things themselves have on human & societies - I do see as two different questions - which obviously relate...
	🤖 6:59pm Will the Sound Guy: Thank you Mark!!!! Enjoy the week off
	6:59pm castor: Thanks Mark and Dave!
	6:59pm Sam: Next week Pauly Shore?
	6:59pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:59pm Will the Sound Guy: Thank you Dave for your time and input!
	🤖 6:59pm PaulRobeson1920: Thank you, Dave! Good stuff!!! A grateful disposition is free baby. Feed your head
	🤖 7:00pm Webhamster Henry: id.me will be an excellent DOS target.
	7:00pm ultradamno: Did he just say the devil is in his pants?
	🤖 7:00pm Ken From Hyde Park: Neat, I had one of those water donut game thingies. Thanks, Mark & Dave. Good luck!

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