WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from December 19, 2022

Listener comments!
	🤖 5:57pm Handy Haversack: Mark and all the Techyon Particles! Very excited for today's show.
	6:00pm ultradamno: Mark! Techtstreet Boys!
	6:00pm listener james from westwood: Evening, Mark and all!
	🤖 6:01pm Handy Haversack: Ha, playlist image is why we are treeless this year!
	6:01pm Rolando: Greetings all
	6:02pm David in London: Evening Mark and all Technoids.
	🤖 6:02pm chresti: Hi Mark and techtonicans!
	🤖 6:03pm PaulRobeson1922: Hi Hi Hi
	6:04pm Rolando: Would love to see a pic of Mark doing his thing in the studio:)
	🤖 6:05pm herb.nyc: hey, were last week's votes properly tabulated and certified? sorry. but bring on today's FICTION (mark normally deals in non-fiction)
	6:05pm adampsyche: just hearing about Terry Hall :(
	6:05pm yippie: the Soho apple store lied to me and charged my credit card instead of my apple gift card. they make it way easier to use this gift card to download crap on itunes
	6:07pm yippie: it's no big deal just got to waste 30 minutes tomorrow returning and rebuying an SSD. the other apple stores in NY are better I think.
	6:07pm chris in the redwoods: hey, Mark and folks. here for this.
	🤖 6:08pm herb.nyc: (related - f.kafka's THE TRIAL plays at film forum. now. i hope to see)
	6:09pm steveo: @Rolando www.flickr.com...
	6:09pm wendy del formaggio: Hello Mark & friends. I’m cooking but I’m here.
	6:09pm ultradamno: Ska isn't really my thing, but I liked The Specials a lot back in the day. RIP Hall
	6:09pm tim from washington: Hi Mark and crew! And m listening intently.
	6:11pm Mark Hurst: Hi everyone, thanks for joining this evening.
	6:12pm coelacanth∅: greetings
	6:12pm Megaroni: Thank you Mark for continuing to share this important topic and giving them a voice
	6:12pm joe_rosevear: Hello, all!
	6:12pm Annette: Hi Mark!
	6:14pm Mark Hurst: @coel @Megaroni @joe_r @annette welcome!
	🤖 6:15pm Handy Haversack: So, full disclosure, my work published this book. It has got a ton of attention, which it well deserves. But it's great that Mark always points out that what China's govt. is doing to those it controls is just further along on a spectrum of choices that is abetted or even created by U.S. companies and that our govt. could use at any point on those people that it controls. Sinophobia focuses a lot of attention on what the CCP does but tends to make U.S. writers and critics ignore our systemic complicity in the same forces.
	6:17pm yippie: I was actually with my Japanese wife, and it was her account. of course I don't have my credit card numbers saved in apple store or anything
	6:17pm Ike: Hi all. @Handy, complicity is important, but IMHO all leftists should remain extremely vigilant re: those who would minimize the cruelty and viciousness of the imperialist FAKE communism of the CCP surveillance state.
	🤖 6:18pm Handy Haversack: Oh, WORD, Ike: just saying that there's a lot of willful blindness in the mass coverage of CCP sins vis-a-vis those of U.S. surveillance capitalists and their govt. enablers.
	6:21pm ultradamno: Well, now Foggy Notion is in my head.
	6:22pm coelacanth∅: and the natives of north and south america could also tell you about having their culture erased.
	🤖 6:22pm Handy Haversack: Do it again, ultradamno.
	6:28pm Rolando: Friends, this is our future too it we don’t all stand up for each other even if our ideologies differ.
	🤖 6:29pm PaulRobeson1922: @Rolando: good evening Rolando! No. you ain’t got a future just a party every night
	6:29pm tim from washington: I’m definitely seeing if my library has this book and ask them to order if it doesn’t.
	🤖 6:30pm Handy Haversack: Amazing to think of English as the language of antiracism given its (as Darren and coela said) deep imbrication in the strategy of racism. Great interview, Mark. Perception-opening.
	6:31pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, Handy.
	🤖 6:36pm herb.nyc: mark's ATLANTIC link had this - For him, numbers are a mystical code masking universal truths, possibly controlled by some ancient superpower or secret society: “Every time I saw some sort of number, I couldn’t walk away until I had forcefully memorized that number and it was stuck in my mind.” i kinda relate - i was reading and rereading about countable and uncountable infinities. from bio of math guy PAUL ERDOS. and it just blew my mind (man).
	🤖 6:38pm herb.nyc: people are numbers - many many years ago, i saw an old man with a number tattoo'd on his forearm, on subway. ugh, concentration camp survivor. glad he made it.
	🤖 6:39pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hi, Mark and skepticons Remember to toss TikTok. www.inforum.com...
	🤖 6:40pm PaulRobeson1922: Who’s quote is this? “What use will it be to educate my children if the highest station in life they can aspire to is cook in a white gentleman's kitchen, hotel porter, ash man or coach driver?”
	🤖 6:41pm PaulRobeson1922: Night Soil man
	6:45pm Old Dave: What use will it be for me to give my daughter a private college degree if it costs me 90K a year here in the US? I made that money shoveling horse shit, only a bit better than human night soil.
	6:46pm Wind: Amazing interview!
	🤖 6:46pm Handy Haversack: Great conversation, Mark -- what the author and translator really deserve.
	🤖 6:47pm herb.nyc: imagine if the USandA made trades for the imprisoned uyghurs.
	🤖 6:47pm herb.nyc: or if the millions made by athletes (for instance) can be used to bail out the uyghurs.
	🤖 6:51pm PaulRobeson1922: Has Chemistry Degree- Is an expert in his field but cannot get a job- sound familiar? Any historical parallels?
	🤖 6:53pm Webhamster Henry: When I refer to the Surveillance state, I'm including those huge, state dominating companies and their profit motives as well.
	6:54pm StringOFperils: The novel sounds like a worthwhile read indeed. The 're-education' camps have been in the news for quite some time, but China does not suffer being told about its human rights concepts, and people hereabouts want i-phones and thousands of other things, cheap and fast and disposable, three words that increasingly apply to ourselves as well, within capitalism; we should leverage our own governments and examine our personal habits when looking at this, as these things will definitely come home to roost. Our governments are not some body existing 'over there', our governments are us.
	🤖 6:54pm Webhamster Henry: Elon got voted off the island - but it was his own election.
	🤖 6:56pm Handy Haversack: And Twitter collects a ton more info that TikTok actually does. So while tossing TikTok is a thoroughly admirable goal, we do let blind eyes form to the deep ties between our capitalists and China. Good bit in The Markup about that: themarkup.org...
	6:56pm Dano59: oh, Elmo's definitely as tight with a transnational crime syndicate as tfg was/is. see: pic with Jared & Saudi royalls in Qatar. This week. Bilionaire human rights abusers
	6:56pm Old Dave: The best thing for us all here would be a flaming crash and burn of Musk
	🤖 6:57pm Handy Haversack: And thanks, Mark! Really grateful for today's episode and the conversation -- and I hope the warning finds receptive ears because you are showing that it can happen here -- and is closer to doing so than we want to believe.
	🤖 6:57pm PaulRobeson1922: Forced Labour is what generated the primary wealth for the stocks and Bonds sold and tradded on Wall Street- insurance companies generated their primary wealth in the slave trade- Wall street’s primary wealth was generated on the plantations and the slave ships
	6:57pm wendy del formaggio: Thank you, Mark, as always. Happy holidays to you and your family.
	6:58pm Feldy: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:58pm Will thee Sound Guy: Thank you Mark Hurst!
	6:58pm joe_rosevear: Thanks for the great show.
	6:58pm Annette: Thank you Market 🔥
	🤖 6:58pm Bas NL: Hi and thanks Mark!
	6:58pm Wind: TY..Happy New Year!
	🤖 6:58pm herb.nyc: thanks for the show, enjoy yrself, mark, and all. happy newark!!!!
	6:58pm Annette: Mark
	6:58pm chris in the redwoods: thanks, Mark!
	6:59pm Rolando: CU all next week.
	6:59pm StringOFperils: Have a safe and happy holiday season, everyone. And be thankful for what you have. Thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:59pm chresti: Thanks Mark! Fuck Elon!
	7:00pm listener 126464: Thanks, Mark.
	🤖 7:00pm Ken From Hyde Park: Thanks, Mark. Happy consumer celebration holiday! 🎁
	7:00pm joe_rosevear: Interesting bit about Tesla and Elon Musk.
	7:01pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Mark! Thanks Darren!
	7:01pm joe_rosevear: It's never enough to do a good job. One has to be rich and famous as well.
	🤖 7:02pm PaulRobeson1922: I was going to edit that but c'est la vie! Peace & LovE ya’ll!
	7:05pm Old Dave: At the point where you (Musk) believe you are God's gift to humankind- well.. God will smite you
	7:08pm joe_rosevear: Could it be justfied? Is he using his wealth and fame for good?

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from December 19, 2022

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December 19, 2022: Darren Byler, co-translator of "The Backstreets: A Novel from Xinjiang"

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Today: Darren Byler, co-translator, “The Backstreets: A Novel from Xinjiang”

Darren Byler was on Techtonic on January 17, 2022 talking about the Uyghurs in western China and his book “In the Camps: China’s High-Tech Penal Colony.” Byler returns to Techtonic to discuss “The Backstreets,” a novel by Uyghur author Perhat Tursun. Byler translated the novel into English after the author, and Darren’s Uyghur co-translator, were sent to the camps.

• The Backstreets: A Novel from Xinjiang from Columbia University Press – also on Indiebound

• Becoming Vermin: Perhat Tursun as a Franz Kafka Character, by Darren Byler in the Columbia University Press blog (Sep 22, 2022)

• 'The Backstreets’ by Perhat Tursun: A Xinjiang novel before its time by Darren Byler for The China Project (Sep 15, 2022): “‘The Backstreets’ is a masterful work of stream-of-consciousness fiction that has recently become available outside China, the first Uyghur-language novel to be translated into English.”

• Xinjiang Has Produced Its James Joyce: “And he’s now sitting in a prison camp.” Review of The Backstreets in The Atlantic by (past Techtonic guest!) Ed Park (Sep 21, 2022).

• Listen also to: March 28, 2022 (Ethan Gutmann on digital spycraft in human rights work in China), June 7, 2021 (Amelia Pang on her book “Made in China”), November 28, 2022 (Why you shouldn’t trust Apple), April 22, 2019 (Paul Mozur on surveillance in China), and of course January 17, 2022 (Darren Byler on his book “In The Camps”).

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Listener comments!
	🤖 5:57pm Handy Haversack: Mark and all the Techyon Particles! Very excited for today's show.
	6:00pm ultradamno: Mark! Techtstreet Boys!
	6:00pm listener james from westwood: Evening, Mark and all!
	🤖 6:01pm Handy Haversack: Ha, playlist image is why we are treeless this year!
	6:01pm Rolando: Greetings all
	6:02pm David in London: Evening Mark and all Technoids.
	🤖 6:02pm chresti: Hi Mark and techtonicans!
	🤖 6:03pm PaulRobeson1922: Hi Hi Hi
	6:04pm Rolando: Would love to see a pic of Mark doing his thing in the studio:)
	🤖 6:05pm herb.nyc: hey, were last week's votes properly tabulated and certified? sorry. but bring on today's FICTION (mark normally deals in non-fiction)
	6:05pm adampsyche: just hearing about Terry Hall :(
	6:05pm yippie: the Soho apple store lied to me and charged my credit card instead of my apple gift card. they make it way easier to use this gift card to download crap on itunes
	6:07pm yippie: it's no big deal just got to waste 30 minutes tomorrow returning and rebuying an SSD. the other apple stores in NY are better I think.
	6:07pm chris in the redwoods: hey, Mark and folks. here for this.
	🤖 6:08pm herb.nyc: (related - f.kafka's THE TRIAL plays at film forum. now. i hope to see)
	6:09pm steveo: @Rolando www.flickr.com...
	6:09pm wendy del formaggio: Hello Mark & friends. I’m cooking but I’m here.
	6:09pm ultradamno: Ska isn't really my thing, but I liked The Specials a lot back in the day. RIP Hall
	6:09pm tim from washington: Hi Mark and crew! And m listening intently.
	6:11pm Mark Hurst: Hi everyone, thanks for joining this evening.
	6:12pm coelacanth∅: greetings
	6:12pm Megaroni: Thank you Mark for continuing to share this important topic and giving them a voice
	6:12pm joe_rosevear: Hello, all!
	6:12pm Annette: Hi Mark!
	6:14pm Mark Hurst: @coel @Megaroni @joe_r @annette welcome!
	🤖 6:15pm Handy Haversack: So, full disclosure, my work published this book. It has got a ton of attention, which it well deserves. But it's great that Mark always points out that what China's govt. is doing to those it controls is just further along on a spectrum of choices that is abetted or even created by U.S. companies and that our govt. could use at any point on those people that it controls. Sinophobia focuses a lot of attention on what the CCP does but tends to make U.S. writers and critics ignore our systemic complicity in the same forces.
	6:17pm yippie: I was actually with my Japanese wife, and it was her account. of course I don't have my credit card numbers saved in apple store or anything
	6:17pm Ike: Hi all. @Handy, complicity is important, but IMHO all leftists should remain extremely vigilant re: those who would minimize the cruelty and viciousness of the imperialist FAKE communism of the CCP surveillance state.
	🤖 6:18pm Handy Haversack: Oh, WORD, Ike: just saying that there's a lot of willful blindness in the mass coverage of CCP sins vis-a-vis those of U.S. surveillance capitalists and their govt. enablers.
	6:21pm ultradamno: Well, now Foggy Notion is in my head.
	6:22pm coelacanth∅: and the natives of north and south america could also tell you about having their culture erased.
	🤖 6:22pm Handy Haversack: Do it again, ultradamno.
	6:28pm Rolando: Friends, this is our future too it we don’t all stand up for each other even if our ideologies differ.
	🤖 6:29pm PaulRobeson1922: @Rolando: good evening Rolando! No. you ain’t got a future just a party every night
	6:29pm tim from washington: I’m definitely seeing if my library has this book and ask them to order if it doesn’t.
	🤖 6:30pm Handy Haversack: Amazing to think of English as the language of antiracism given its (as Darren and coela said) deep imbrication in the strategy of racism. Great interview, Mark. Perception-opening.
	6:31pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, Handy.
	🤖 6:36pm herb.nyc: mark's ATLANTIC link had this - For him, numbers are a mystical code masking universal truths, possibly controlled by some ancient superpower or secret society: “Every time I saw some sort of number, I couldn’t walk away until I had forcefully memorized that number and it was stuck in my mind.” i kinda relate - i was reading and rereading about countable and uncountable infinities. from bio of math guy PAUL ERDOS. and it just blew my mind (man).
	🤖 6:38pm herb.nyc: people are numbers - many many years ago, i saw an old man with a number tattoo'd on his forearm, on subway. ugh, concentration camp survivor. glad he made it.
	🤖 6:39pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hi, Mark and skepticons Remember to toss TikTok. www.inforum.com...
	🤖 6:40pm PaulRobeson1922: Who’s quote is this? “What use will it be to educate my children if the highest station in life they can aspire to is cook in a white gentleman's kitchen, hotel porter, ash man or coach driver?”
	🤖 6:41pm PaulRobeson1922: Night Soil man
	6:45pm Old Dave: What use will it be for me to give my daughter a private college degree if it costs me 90K a year here in the US? I made that money shoveling horse shit, only a bit better than human night soil.
	6:46pm Wind: Amazing interview!
	🤖 6:46pm Handy Haversack: Great conversation, Mark -- what the author and translator really deserve.
	🤖 6:47pm herb.nyc: imagine if the USandA made trades for the imprisoned uyghurs.
	🤖 6:47pm herb.nyc: or if the millions made by athletes (for instance) can be used to bail out the uyghurs.
	🤖 6:51pm PaulRobeson1922: Has Chemistry Degree- Is an expert in his field but cannot get a job- sound familiar? Any historical parallels?
	🤖 6:53pm Webhamster Henry: When I refer to the Surveillance state, I'm including those huge, state dominating companies and their profit motives as well.
	6:54pm StringOFperils: The novel sounds like a worthwhile read indeed. The 're-education' camps have been in the news for quite some time, but China does not suffer being told about its human rights concepts, and people hereabouts want i-phones and thousands of other things, cheap and fast and disposable, three words that increasingly apply to ourselves as well, within capitalism; we should leverage our own governments and examine our personal habits when looking at this, as these things will definitely come home to roost. Our governments are not some body existing 'over there', our governments are us.
	🤖 6:54pm Webhamster Henry: Elon got voted off the island - but it was his own election.
	🤖 6:56pm Handy Haversack: And Twitter collects a ton more info that TikTok actually does. So while tossing TikTok is a thoroughly admirable goal, we do let blind eyes form to the deep ties between our capitalists and China. Good bit in The Markup about that: themarkup.org...
	6:56pm Dano59: oh, Elmo's definitely as tight with a transnational crime syndicate as tfg was/is. see: pic with Jared & Saudi royalls in Qatar. This week. Bilionaire human rights abusers
	6:56pm Old Dave: The best thing for us all here would be a flaming crash and burn of Musk
	🤖 6:57pm Handy Haversack: And thanks, Mark! Really grateful for today's episode and the conversation -- and I hope the warning finds receptive ears because you are showing that it can happen here -- and is closer to doing so than we want to believe.
	🤖 6:57pm PaulRobeson1922: Forced Labour is what generated the primary wealth for the stocks and Bonds sold and tradded on Wall Street- insurance companies generated their primary wealth in the slave trade- Wall street’s primary wealth was generated on the plantations and the slave ships
	6:57pm wendy del formaggio: Thank you, Mark, as always. Happy holidays to you and your family.
	6:58pm Feldy: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:58pm Will thee Sound Guy: Thank you Mark Hurst!
	6:58pm joe_rosevear: Thanks for the great show.
	6:58pm Annette: Thank you Market 🔥
	🤖 6:58pm Bas NL: Hi and thanks Mark!
	6:58pm Wind: TY..Happy New Year!
	🤖 6:58pm herb.nyc: thanks for the show, enjoy yrself, mark, and all. happy newark!!!!
	6:58pm Annette: Mark
	6:58pm chris in the redwoods: thanks, Mark!
	6:59pm Rolando: CU all next week.
	6:59pm StringOFperils: Have a safe and happy holiday season, everyone. And be thankful for what you have. Thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:59pm chresti: Thanks Mark! Fuck Elon!
	7:00pm listener 126464: Thanks, Mark.
	🤖 7:00pm Ken From Hyde Park: Thanks, Mark. Happy consumer celebration holiday! 🎁
	7:00pm joe_rosevear: Interesting bit about Tesla and Elon Musk.
	7:01pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Mark! Thanks Darren!
	7:01pm joe_rosevear: It's never enough to do a good job. One has to be rich and famous as well.
	🤖 7:02pm PaulRobeson1922: I was going to edit that but c'est la vie! Peace & LovE ya’ll!
	7:05pm Old Dave: At the point where you (Musk) believe you are God's gift to humankind- well.. God will smite you
	7:08pm joe_rosevear: Could it be justfied? Is he using his wealth and fame for good?

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from December 19, 2022

Upcoming events:

Listener comments!

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