WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from February 20, 2023

Listener comments!
	🤖 6:00pm Handy Haversack: Mark! Techyons! I enthusiastically consent to listening to this program! Appreciating the irony of the NYT reporting on online privacy ... yeesh.
	🤖 6:00pm chresti: Hi Mark and techtonicians!
	🤖 6:01pm PaulRobeson1923: Good evening WFMU Land! Mark & all! I’ll be GListening intently…
	6:01pm ultradamno: Mark! Techtonatories!
	6:01pm David in London: Evening Mark and all Technoids.
	🤖 6:01pm Wendy del Formaggio: Hello Mark and friends! Another show for which I am excited.
	6:01pm JohnEBGood: Thanks Olivia! You have an awesome week ☺️
	🤖 6:02pm Handy Haversack: ↳ David in London @6:01 David "I Can See the (Roud) Music" in London! How goes, friend?
	🤖 6:03pm Wendy del Formaggio: Oh right! Happy Lundi Gras, everyone!
	🤖 6:03pm Will thee Sound Guy: Hi Mark Hurst and all!!!
	6:04pm ultradamno: Was there not thought put to feeding all episodes of this show into an AI and creating a Nothing Forever style version of this show for the premium?
	6:04pm David in London: Handles, I’m on the Roud again. All good here thanks Runza. Swings Greenpoint well?
	🤖 6:06pm Handy Haversack: ↳ David in London @6:04 Kate's away for the week, so the Monsters and I are on our own. We haven't turned to autophagy yet, so that's likely a good sign. Working on a gaming product on political revolution, so that's kind of exciting!
	🤖 6:06pm Webhamster Henry: This show should be renamed "Click to agree to surveillance"
	🤖 6:06pm Ken From Hyde Park: Greetings, Mark and consensual listeners.
	6:10pm ultradamno: It's like an NDA, can you really sign away a constitutional right to not reveal what you haven't yet seen?
	🤖 6:11pm Handy Haversack: I introduce the "yeah, right" response to all of the commercial internet. Mark shows the way.
	🤖 6:12pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ ultradamno @6:10 Legal language can say anything, like "these rights will last for eternity", but in fact there are many situations which do not stand up to legal challenges.
	6:12pm Jackie G: Mark, did you take that survey. I did. And failed like most people.
	6:13pm ultradamno: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:12 Like the Scientology agreements, yes.
	6:15pm melinda: hi Mark and friends
	🤖 6:15pm MarciB: I'm afraid to take that test, but hope that as a Tectonic listener I might pass...
	6:15pm queems: i don’t think i would pass this test
	6:16pm Carmichael: Late to the techno!
	6:17pm Annette: Good evening Mark guest
	🤖 6:17pm PaulRobeson1923: Can YoUu pasS the A C l D TEsT?
	6:18pm Carmichael: @diL, responding for The Handyman, Greenpoint swings like a pendulum do.
	6:19pm JeanM: I should have taken the survey before listening :-)
	6:19pm Franco Twinkie: I've always though television sets embedded in gas pumps was a horrible portent of the future - I mean, who want's to see a person wearing compression garments giving you the weather while you're pumping gas? The other day the gas pump wanted me to enter my zip code before we could proceed. I was so disgusted I pulled out my card and went elsewhere.
	6:22pm Mark Hurst: Hi all, thanks for joining this evening!
	🤖 6:23pm Handy Haversack: Oh, hey, Techyons, be sure to call in and pledge during Techtonic during Marathon -- I'll be on the phones the first Monday, and I know a certain other friendly listener will be on the second Monday! The best time of the year is almost here!
	6:23pm StringOFperils: When my chemical oncologist pushed the consent papers in front of me to sign, I said,"So, basically, my signature on this gives you consent to administer the most deadly poison to me, to actually put that in my body," and he said, "Yes." So it boiled down to if I wanted to go live or not, I had that choice, at that moment. I could sign, and live, or I could refuse, and not have access to any more life. I figure the choice to consent to corporate data pirates getting free access to my personal data is a bit like that. I can say yes, and be able to participate in the contemporary world, or I can F off and die. It's presented as being my choice. That's what you call freedom in a vacuum. Which is extortion.
	🤖 6:24pm MarciB: ↳ Franco Twinkie @6:19 Ugh! And to think I'm offended by the crappy music we're subjected to nonstop now - like at banks, stores, etc
	🤖 6:25pm Handy Haversack: ↳ StringOFperils @6:23 There are a lot of ways to opt out of "the contemporary world" without dying, though! Damn, I don't have a smartphone; I won't read articles on sites that reject private browsing; I run all my internet traffic through a VPN -- these are not death equivalents. We're being sold the illusion of convenience in exchange for becoming products. Opting out is just not as hard as you might think. And fuck cancer. Hope you kicked its ass.
	6:26pm ultradamno: ↳ Franco Twinkie @6:19 The overhead cameras and little monitors at grocery self-checkout stations are on par
	6:27pm Franco Twinkie: ↳ ultradamno @6:26 I like to take a picture of the cameras taking a picture of me.
	6:27pm yippie: you said nobody got every question correct on the test. but I've always been more interested in people who are able to write the wrong answer for every question on a true false test.
	6:29pm StringOFperils: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:25 You are absolutely correct, Handy. You CAN opt out, and I think that's where this going. It's kind of uncharted territory, because we've been sold a bill of goods. "The first one is free," as they say on the streets, to get you hooked. But you CAN kick. ....and thanks, I scraped through that nightmare. thanks.
	6:30pm yippie: it's one of the coolest things to get every single question incorrect on a difficult true false test.
	🤖 6:31pm PaulRobeson1923: Any over the counter remedies for Thrush? Please
	6:31pm kevlicki: Hey Mark and all!
	🤖 6:32pm Handy Haversack: "All data has the potential to be sensitive": and the window on what's legal and what's illegal, what can get you interred as "Dangerous" can be shifted on us at any time. It can happen here, and allowing your data history to accumulate means that can later be shaped and represented to make any of us out as "part of the problem."
	6:33pm joe mulligan: Copy that @Sydney.
	🤖 6:33pm PaulRobeson1923: ↳ PaulRobeson1923 @6:31 Please. If anyone knows
	🤖 6:33pm Webhamster Henry: Precious. Bodily. Fluids.
	6:33pm Franco Twinkie: I often think about all the people who are given breadcrumbs of compensation to betray the human race - who are they?
	6:34pm Jackie G: Is Cologard testing suspicious?
	6:34pm StringOFperils: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:32 Also true, and as authoritarian states rise, including possibly where we ourselves reside, I regret to say, the notion that anyone's data can and will be used against them suggests that maybe they should reserve the right to remain silent in the digital world.
	6:34pm yippie: if someone got every question wrong on your test incorrect, then they are the real privacy expert
	6:34pm ultradamno: "I did it myyyyyyy waaaaaaay"
	6:35pm kevlicki: Speaking of biometrics, I recently went to Mexico and the airline said they would be scanning faces, when I got to the gate i asked if it was mandatory and the attendant immediately said “no”, so I was able to decline. However everyone else lined up and had “no problem” doing so. THEN when I was passing thru immigration the security put all the Americans in the line to get biometric scans. Fortuitously the scanner didn’t read my passport so they sent me to a person who just stamped my passport! And I was able to enter the country. I don’t understand why it’s necessary to submit to this to move about the world
	6:35pm ?: did he just use the words nasal swab and cheek swab as if they were interchangeable? or did I mishear?
	6:35pm joe mulligan: @Franco in the world of marketing it's the coupon-clipping middle-aged moms and shoppers, most of them under-educated and low income. also sweepstakes and contest entering types
	🤖 6:36pm Webhamster Henry: How come you don't start the show telling Alexa and Siri and whatever else is listening to turn out the lights?
	6:36pm kevlicki: Stringofperils I concur!
	🤖 6:36pm Handy Haversack: ↳ PaulRobeson1923 @6:33 www.mayoclinic.org... "Try warm saltwater rinses. Dissolve about 1/2 teaspoon (2.5 milliliters) of salt in 1 cup (237 milliliters) of warm water. Swish the rinse and then spit it out, but don't swallow."
	6:37pm Franco Twinkie: ↳ joe mulligan @6:35 I HATE COUPON CLIPPERS!!!
	🤖 6:37pm PaulRobeson1923: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:36 Handy. Sincerely , Thank you very much
	6:39pm joe mulligan: ↳ Franco Twinkie @6:37 ya they're just trying to get by most of the time, but there's also a cohort who "thinks they're poor." frugality doesn't always mean you don't have money.
	6:39pm melinda: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:25 These days I think it wise to have a general policy of pausing before succumbing to convenience in the digital sphere, it's how all the bad shit becomes the norm.
	6:40pm melinda: That and the promise of added security.
	🤖 6:40pm Webhamster Henry: I click the "customize your cookies" buttons and turn off most of them.
	🤖 6:40pm Handy Haversack: ↳ melinda @6:39 There are some concerts we don't get to see because the tickets are only available on an app. And I can't listen to WFMU on the go. But there just aren't any other drawbacks so far.
	🤖 6:41pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:40 It's amazing how different it is if you run a VPN through Canada or Europe. You can turn off everything!
	6:41pm kevlicki: I read an article recently that since cookies are becoming a little bit undesirable that is why most sites are asking for your email, when purchasing or applying to websites. And how that info is then sold to companies building data on you and has the potential to reveal a lot more about individuals than the cookies could
	🤖 6:41pm MarciB: Love the irony that Joe + company's survey says "This survey was funded by an unsolicited, unrestricted grant from Facebook".
	6:41pm kevlicki: She’s dare I say that article was in the NYTimes
	6:42pm joe mulligan: the people who signup for offers and opt-ins on the internet probably are also people who are willing to try clinical trials for money/use their body as a lab rat
	🤖 6:42pm Handy Haversack: ↳ kevlicki @6:41 Good e-mail providers offer "mask" e-mails so you can just use a different one for each commerce site and prevent that kind of accumulation. Any e-mail sent to the mask address will come to your real address.
	6:43pm Carmichael: My ex-neighbor, who is a lawyer (as is his wife), once proudly proclaimed, “Nothing is illegal until a judge says it is.” Welcome to America.
	🤖 6:43pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:41 Those cookie options are very unstandardized! I like to have it log me in via cookie , but it's not that hard for the password manager to do it too, so you don't actually need that cookie.
	🤖 6:43pm PaulRobeson1923: Great idea!!
	6:44pm ultradamno: I can remember being creeped out the first time someone at Radio Shack asked me for my address at checkout. Seems quaint now, but....
	6:44pm kevlicki: Mark do you have any info regarding the email tracking behavior? Handy, I have noticed that service!
	6:44pm wind: Nice!
	6:44pm Ciggy: I'm ready
	🤖 6:44pm PaulRobeson1923: True
	🤖 6:45pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:43 A web-based database that we use at work recently "updated" and started basing most preferences around cookies rather than login ID, and it's just incredibly depressing. I have my browsers set to clear all cookies when tabs are closed, so it wants to force me to take the tour EVERY TIME I log in!
	6:45pm bleubombersune: true
	🤖 6:45pm Ken From Hyde Park: 1. True
	6:45pm The Butterman: Ying!
	6:45pm melinda: true
	6:45pm jello.baby: true!
	6:45pm bleubombersune: no
	🤖 6:45pm PaulRobeson1923: #2 False?
	🤖 6:45pm Ken From Hyde Park: 2. True
	🤖 6:45pm Handy Haversack: ↳ The Butterman @6:45 Fire!
	6:45pm StringOFperils: ↳ Carmichael @6:43 I worked for a couple of years as a kind of court reporter, ina big facility where all the lawyers in the region conducted examinations for discovery, in active lawsuits; and that's ehre I learned that there is a big difference between the law and justice. It's a contest of cruel logic driven by money.
	🤖 6:46pm PaulRobeson1923: 3. False
	6:46pm melinda: dunno
	🤖 6:46pm Ken From Hyde Park: 3. True
	6:46pm bleubombersune: false
	🤖 6:46pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:42 The possibility of using real.email+custompart@domain for email, where the mail server strips the +privatepart but the service that uses that email for login purposes doesn't dilutes the attack surface. However, it's way better to have a very differnt email /login for every service you use, so it can't be in any way correlated for ad targeting correlation purposes.
	🤖 6:46pm PaulRobeson1923: Oh jeez…
	6:47pm ultradamno: For future reference I'm going to pick the scariest option every time
	6:47pm Carmichael: 3 for 3
	🤖 6:47pm Handy Haversack: We had a nice discussion in Mark's Creative Good Forum about ethical newsletter services that don't track your readers' actions.
	🤖 6:47pm PaulRobeson1923: 4. False
	6:47pm bleubombersune: false
	6:47pm Carmichael: 4 false
	6:47pm jello.baby: #4 totally false
	🤖 6:47pm Ken From Hyde Park: 4. False
	6:48pm StringOFperils: False, because false pays baby!
	🤖 6:48pm MarciB: Got 4 right so far- feeling smug
	🤖 6:48pm Webhamster Henry: If you don't load images, there's no path back to the sender for email. I don't, so my sister complains that I don't read her mailchimps.
	6:49pm Carmichael: Here is our privacy policy: we don’t have one.
	🤖 6:49pm Handy Haversack: ↳ ultradamno @6:47 Tea Party lightning sharks?
	6:49pm melinda: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:48 protonmail doesn't load images
	🤖 6:49pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:48 And then open in the browser rather than reading the e-mail so that the links are cleaned.
	🤖 6:49pm PaulRobeson1923: 5. True
	6:49pm Carmichael: 5 true
	🤖 6:50pm Ken From Hyde Park: 5. True
	6:50pm ultradamno: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:49 True!
	🤖 6:50pm chresti: Is there a list of ethical websites?
	🤖 6:50pm Wendy del Formaggio: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:47 I think I started that thread! But I don't remember that we found an ethical newsletter service. Did I miss anything?
	🤖 6:50pm Webhamster Henry: My website: "This website does not use cookies. I do this to give you the best experience: the knowledge that I'm not tracking you with cookies. I'm not serving you ads, and I'm not selling anyone's contact information."
	6:50pm bleubombersune: true your in Alaska
	🤖 6:50pm DjLorraine: True
	🤖 6:50pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:49 Yep! always check those URLs first though, because : phishing.
	🤖 6:51pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:50 You did! And I don't remember either! But I enjoyed the conversation.
	6:51pm Carmichael: I need a good email system in the next few months.
	6:51pm dale: easy to get these correct. just pick the more heinous, unethical answer.
	6:51pm Carmichael: 6 false
	6:51pm Ciggy: My Google Assistant just turned on & asked me if I want to take the train. The train?
	🤖 6:51pm PaulRobeson1923: 6. True?
	🤖 6:51pm Ken From Hyde Park: 6. False
	🤖 6:52pm Wendy del Formaggio: ↳ Carmichael @6:51 I love fastmail. If you wanna know why, I'm happy to tell you.
	🤖 6:52pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ Ciggy @6:51 When a WFMU show is about to come on, my calendar tells me the traffic around Jersey City!
	6:52pm bleubombersune: false they don't include my choice of airline (fly my night airlines)
	🤖 6:52pm Handy Haversack: ↳ chresti @6:50 chresti, here are some ideas for ways to replace certain horrible services: goodreports.com (Mark's site!) switching.software/ (that's switching.software -- the WFMU chat doesn't make it a hyperlink)
	6:53pm bobobobob plasticland: insurance companies been charging like that where u live for fuckin years
	🤖 6:53pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:52 Me too!!
	6:53pm joe mulligan: many airlines like jetblue and southwest arent on the price aggregators
	6:53pm Mennlinn Rebarts: I think if you pick the more dystopian answer each time, you'll get at least a B.
	6:53pm Carmichael: 7 false
	6:53pm bleubombersune: false
	🤖 6:53pm Ken From Hyde Park: 7. False
	🤖 6:53pm PaulRobeson1923: 7. True?
	6:53pm Ciggy: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:52 I haven't commuted into NYC in 7 years!
	6:53pm StringOFperils: The answer is truefalse
	🤖 6:54pm chresti: Thanks Handy.
	6:54pm Fragonard: So far, 1 wrong…
	🤖 6:54pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:52 Yeah, I brought up limitations in Kenzo's URL hiding code for funny TLDs, it may get fixed some day.
	6:54pm dale: your credit rating dictates a lot of the pricing you pay too. people with a stellar rating get charged more usually.
	🤖 6:54pm herb.nyc: I’m doing pretty well. By being cynical.
	6:54pm Wind: ↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:52 I wanna know why Wendy :)
	🤖 6:54pm Handy Haversack: Well, I'm 7/7 so far. 8/8 if you count the Tea Party laser sharks.
	6:54pm bleubombersune: false
	6:54pm Carmichael: Why do you like it, Wendy?
	🤖 6:55pm PaulRobeson1923: 9. True
	🤖 6:55pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ Ciggy @6:53 I haven't eitehr (and when I didn't, never by car) but the calendar thinks I do, and I'm not about to tell it otherwise.
	🤖 6:55pm Ken From Hyde Park: 8. True
	6:55pm mndave: They're not [wink wink, nudge nudge] publishers
	🤖 6:55pm PaulRobeson1923: 8. True* anything goes- Not a publisher
	🤖 6:56pm Wendy del Formaggio: ↳ Wind @6:54 Sure! They don't collect data, there are no ads, they spam filter seems fairly robust, and they offer masked email so you can create "fake" email addresses for when you need an email address to buy something online or to join a newsletter. Handy probably has even more reasons!
	6:56pm Wind: ↳ dale @6:51 you were right dale !
	🤖 6:56pm herb.nyc: Mark said ORBITZ- I once bought orbitz drink at a tag sale. (Mark said DEATH just now)
	🤖 6:56pm Wendy del Formaggio: ↳ Carmichael @6:54 See above...
	6:56pm Carmichael: 9 false
	6:56pm Carmichael: 9 false
	6:56pm bleubombersune: false
	6:56pm Wind: 8/9
	6:57pm bobobob: fox does it all the time
	🤖 6:57pm Handy Haversack: 9/9 here.
	🤖 6:57pm PaulRobeson1923: Thank you, Mark. Good information today
	🤖 6:57pm Wendy del Formaggio: ↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:56 *THEIR spam filter
	6:57pm Carmichael: Thanks Wendy!
	6:57pm Wind: ↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:56 Thanks!
	🤖 6:57pm Handy Haversack: Thanks, Mark! Great show!
	🤖 6:57pm Will thee Sound Guy: Thank you Mark Hurst!!!
	🤖 6:57pm Handy Haversack: Happy Mardi Gras!
	🤖 6:57pm Wendy del Formaggio: Thanks, Mark! Happy Mardi Gras!
	6:57pm dale: it riles them to believe that you perceive the web the weave.... moody blues
	6:57pm StringOFperils: When all else fails, there's still prog. Data so quizzical, it's in 11/8
	6:57pm Wind: Love U Mark!!!
	6:57pm melinda: thanks Mark
	🤖 6:57pm Ken From Hyde Park: I was doing well, but got distracted. I'm in the grocery store. Do I still win a cookie?
	6:57pm Ciggy: Bon Temps Rouler
	🤖 6:57pm Wendy del Formaggio: Haha, a Second Line version of ELO. Nice.
	6:58pm Wind: Happy Mardi Gras to y'all :)
	6:58pm melinda: nice outro
	🤖 6:58pm chresti: Thanks Mark! Happy Mardi Gras!
	6:58pm StringOFperils: The 9th Ward too. Nice!
	6:59pm yippie: I think even big websites could be liable for issues related to prostitution posted to them by users even with 230
	6:59pm Franco Twinkie: Thanks Mark. I didn't do the survey because I was in the bathroom. No excuse, right?
	6:59pm Carmichael: That was prog??
	🤖 6:59pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:57 Unfortunately, you are now for sale in the grocery store. Try to relax and go stale -- they might reduce your price.
	7:00pm Annette: Thanks Mark ‼️
	7:00pm Carmichael: Let’s prog!
	7:01pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone!
	🤖 7:06pm Ken From Hyde Park: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:59 I'm day old inventory!

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from February 20, 2023

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• Americans Flunked This Test on Online Privacy (by Natasha Singer and Jason Karaian, NYT, Feb 7, 2023): “Seventy-seven percent of the participants got nine or fewer of the 17 true-or-false questions right, amounting to an F grade, the report said.”

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Listener comments!
	🤖 6:00pm Handy Haversack: Mark! Techyons! I enthusiastically consent to listening to this program! Appreciating the irony of the NYT reporting on online privacy ... yeesh.
	🤖 6:00pm chresti: Hi Mark and techtonicians!
	🤖 6:01pm PaulRobeson1923: Good evening WFMU Land! Mark & all! I’ll be GListening intently…
	6:01pm ultradamno: Mark! Techtonatories!
	6:01pm David in London: Evening Mark and all Technoids.
	🤖 6:01pm Wendy del Formaggio: Hello Mark and friends! Another show for which I am excited.
	6:01pm JohnEBGood: Thanks Olivia! You have an awesome week ☺️
	🤖 6:02pm Handy Haversack: ↳ David in London @6:01 David "I Can See the (Roud) Music" in London! How goes, friend?
	🤖 6:03pm Wendy del Formaggio: Oh right! Happy Lundi Gras, everyone!
	🤖 6:03pm Will thee Sound Guy: Hi Mark Hurst and all!!!
	6:04pm ultradamno: Was there not thought put to feeding all episodes of this show into an AI and creating a Nothing Forever style version of this show for the premium?
	6:04pm David in London: Handles, I’m on the Roud again. All good here thanks Runza. Swings Greenpoint well?
	🤖 6:06pm Handy Haversack: ↳ David in London @6:04 Kate's away for the week, so the Monsters and I are on our own. We haven't turned to autophagy yet, so that's likely a good sign. Working on a gaming product on political revolution, so that's kind of exciting!
	🤖 6:06pm Webhamster Henry: This show should be renamed "Click to agree to surveillance"
	🤖 6:06pm Ken From Hyde Park: Greetings, Mark and consensual listeners.
	6:10pm ultradamno: It's like an NDA, can you really sign away a constitutional right to not reveal what you haven't yet seen?
	🤖 6:11pm Handy Haversack: I introduce the "yeah, right" response to all of the commercial internet. Mark shows the way.
	🤖 6:12pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ ultradamno @6:10 Legal language can say anything, like "these rights will last for eternity", but in fact there are many situations which do not stand up to legal challenges.
	6:12pm Jackie G: Mark, did you take that survey. I did. And failed like most people.
	6:13pm ultradamno: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:12 Like the Scientology agreements, yes.
	6:15pm melinda: hi Mark and friends
	🤖 6:15pm MarciB: I'm afraid to take that test, but hope that as a Tectonic listener I might pass...
	6:15pm queems: i don’t think i would pass this test
	6:16pm Carmichael: Late to the techno!
	6:17pm Annette: Good evening Mark guest
	🤖 6:17pm PaulRobeson1923: Can YoUu pasS the A C l D TEsT?
	6:18pm Carmichael: @diL, responding for The Handyman, Greenpoint swings like a pendulum do.
	6:19pm JeanM: I should have taken the survey before listening :-)
	6:19pm Franco Twinkie: I've always though television sets embedded in gas pumps was a horrible portent of the future - I mean, who want's to see a person wearing compression garments giving you the weather while you're pumping gas? The other day the gas pump wanted me to enter my zip code before we could proceed. I was so disgusted I pulled out my card and went elsewhere.
	6:22pm Mark Hurst: Hi all, thanks for joining this evening!
	🤖 6:23pm Handy Haversack: Oh, hey, Techyons, be sure to call in and pledge during Techtonic during Marathon -- I'll be on the phones the first Monday, and I know a certain other friendly listener will be on the second Monday! The best time of the year is almost here!
	6:23pm StringOFperils: When my chemical oncologist pushed the consent papers in front of me to sign, I said,"So, basically, my signature on this gives you consent to administer the most deadly poison to me, to actually put that in my body," and he said, "Yes." So it boiled down to if I wanted to go live or not, I had that choice, at that moment. I could sign, and live, or I could refuse, and not have access to any more life. I figure the choice to consent to corporate data pirates getting free access to my personal data is a bit like that. I can say yes, and be able to participate in the contemporary world, or I can F off and die. It's presented as being my choice. That's what you call freedom in a vacuum. Which is extortion.
	🤖 6:24pm MarciB: ↳ Franco Twinkie @6:19 Ugh! And to think I'm offended by the crappy music we're subjected to nonstop now - like at banks, stores, etc
	🤖 6:25pm Handy Haversack: ↳ StringOFperils @6:23 There are a lot of ways to opt out of "the contemporary world" without dying, though! Damn, I don't have a smartphone; I won't read articles on sites that reject private browsing; I run all my internet traffic through a VPN -- these are not death equivalents. We're being sold the illusion of convenience in exchange for becoming products. Opting out is just not as hard as you might think. And fuck cancer. Hope you kicked its ass.
	6:26pm ultradamno: ↳ Franco Twinkie @6:19 The overhead cameras and little monitors at grocery self-checkout stations are on par
	6:27pm Franco Twinkie: ↳ ultradamno @6:26 I like to take a picture of the cameras taking a picture of me.
	6:27pm yippie: you said nobody got every question correct on the test. but I've always been more interested in people who are able to write the wrong answer for every question on a true false test.
	6:29pm StringOFperils: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:25 You are absolutely correct, Handy. You CAN opt out, and I think that's where this going. It's kind of uncharted territory, because we've been sold a bill of goods. "The first one is free," as they say on the streets, to get you hooked. But you CAN kick. ....and thanks, I scraped through that nightmare. thanks.
	6:30pm yippie: it's one of the coolest things to get every single question incorrect on a difficult true false test.
	🤖 6:31pm PaulRobeson1923: Any over the counter remedies for Thrush? Please
	6:31pm kevlicki: Hey Mark and all!
	🤖 6:32pm Handy Haversack: "All data has the potential to be sensitive": and the window on what's legal and what's illegal, what can get you interred as "Dangerous" can be shifted on us at any time. It can happen here, and allowing your data history to accumulate means that can later be shaped and represented to make any of us out as "part of the problem."
	6:33pm joe mulligan: Copy that @Sydney.
	🤖 6:33pm PaulRobeson1923: ↳ PaulRobeson1923 @6:31 Please. If anyone knows
	🤖 6:33pm Webhamster Henry: Precious. Bodily. Fluids.
	6:33pm Franco Twinkie: I often think about all the people who are given breadcrumbs of compensation to betray the human race - who are they?
	6:34pm Jackie G: Is Cologard testing suspicious?
	6:34pm StringOFperils: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:32 Also true, and as authoritarian states rise, including possibly where we ourselves reside, I regret to say, the notion that anyone's data can and will be used against them suggests that maybe they should reserve the right to remain silent in the digital world.
	6:34pm yippie: if someone got every question wrong on your test incorrect, then they are the real privacy expert
	6:34pm ultradamno: "I did it myyyyyyy waaaaaaay"
	6:35pm kevlicki: Speaking of biometrics, I recently went to Mexico and the airline said they would be scanning faces, when I got to the gate i asked if it was mandatory and the attendant immediately said “no”, so I was able to decline. However everyone else lined up and had “no problem” doing so. THEN when I was passing thru immigration the security put all the Americans in the line to get biometric scans. Fortuitously the scanner didn’t read my passport so they sent me to a person who just stamped my passport! And I was able to enter the country. I don’t understand why it’s necessary to submit to this to move about the world
	6:35pm ?: did he just use the words nasal swab and cheek swab as if they were interchangeable? or did I mishear?
	6:35pm joe mulligan: @Franco in the world of marketing it's the coupon-clipping middle-aged moms and shoppers, most of them under-educated and low income. also sweepstakes and contest entering types
	🤖 6:36pm Webhamster Henry: How come you don't start the show telling Alexa and Siri and whatever else is listening to turn out the lights?
	6:36pm kevlicki: Stringofperils I concur!
	🤖 6:36pm Handy Haversack: ↳ PaulRobeson1923 @6:33 www.mayoclinic.org... "Try warm saltwater rinses. Dissolve about 1/2 teaspoon (2.5 milliliters) of salt in 1 cup (237 milliliters) of warm water. Swish the rinse and then spit it out, but don't swallow."
	6:37pm Franco Twinkie: ↳ joe mulligan @6:35 I HATE COUPON CLIPPERS!!!
	🤖 6:37pm PaulRobeson1923: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:36 Handy. Sincerely , Thank you very much
	6:39pm joe mulligan: ↳ Franco Twinkie @6:37 ya they're just trying to get by most of the time, but there's also a cohort who "thinks they're poor." frugality doesn't always mean you don't have money.
	6:39pm melinda: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:25 These days I think it wise to have a general policy of pausing before succumbing to convenience in the digital sphere, it's how all the bad shit becomes the norm.
	6:40pm melinda: That and the promise of added security.
	🤖 6:40pm Webhamster Henry: I click the "customize your cookies" buttons and turn off most of them.
	🤖 6:40pm Handy Haversack: ↳ melinda @6:39 There are some concerts we don't get to see because the tickets are only available on an app. And I can't listen to WFMU on the go. But there just aren't any other drawbacks so far.
	🤖 6:41pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:40 It's amazing how different it is if you run a VPN through Canada or Europe. You can turn off everything!
	6:41pm kevlicki: I read an article recently that since cookies are becoming a little bit undesirable that is why most sites are asking for your email, when purchasing or applying to websites. And how that info is then sold to companies building data on you and has the potential to reveal a lot more about individuals than the cookies could
	🤖 6:41pm MarciB: Love the irony that Joe + company's survey says "This survey was funded by an unsolicited, unrestricted grant from Facebook".
	6:41pm kevlicki: She’s dare I say that article was in the NYTimes
	6:42pm joe mulligan: the people who signup for offers and opt-ins on the internet probably are also people who are willing to try clinical trials for money/use their body as a lab rat
	🤖 6:42pm Handy Haversack: ↳ kevlicki @6:41 Good e-mail providers offer "mask" e-mails so you can just use a different one for each commerce site and prevent that kind of accumulation. Any e-mail sent to the mask address will come to your real address.
	6:43pm Carmichael: My ex-neighbor, who is a lawyer (as is his wife), once proudly proclaimed, “Nothing is illegal until a judge says it is.” Welcome to America.
	🤖 6:43pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:41 Those cookie options are very unstandardized! I like to have it log me in via cookie , but it's not that hard for the password manager to do it too, so you don't actually need that cookie.
	🤖 6:43pm PaulRobeson1923: Great idea!!
	6:44pm ultradamno: I can remember being creeped out the first time someone at Radio Shack asked me for my address at checkout. Seems quaint now, but....
	6:44pm kevlicki: Mark do you have any info regarding the email tracking behavior? Handy, I have noticed that service!
	6:44pm wind: Nice!
	6:44pm Ciggy: I'm ready
	🤖 6:44pm PaulRobeson1923: True
	🤖 6:45pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:43 A web-based database that we use at work recently "updated" and started basing most preferences around cookies rather than login ID, and it's just incredibly depressing. I have my browsers set to clear all cookies when tabs are closed, so it wants to force me to take the tour EVERY TIME I log in!
	6:45pm bleubombersune: true
	🤖 6:45pm Ken From Hyde Park: 1. True
	6:45pm The Butterman: Ying!
	6:45pm melinda: true
	6:45pm jello.baby: true!
	6:45pm bleubombersune: no
	🤖 6:45pm PaulRobeson1923: #2 False?
	🤖 6:45pm Ken From Hyde Park: 2. True
	🤖 6:45pm Handy Haversack: ↳ The Butterman @6:45 Fire!
	6:45pm StringOFperils: ↳ Carmichael @6:43 I worked for a couple of years as a kind of court reporter, ina big facility where all the lawyers in the region conducted examinations for discovery, in active lawsuits; and that's ehre I learned that there is a big difference between the law and justice. It's a contest of cruel logic driven by money.
	🤖 6:46pm PaulRobeson1923: 3. False
	6:46pm melinda: dunno
	🤖 6:46pm Ken From Hyde Park: 3. True
	6:46pm bleubombersune: false
	🤖 6:46pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:42 The possibility of using real.email+custompart@domain for email, where the mail server strips the +privatepart but the service that uses that email for login purposes doesn't dilutes the attack surface. However, it's way better to have a very differnt email /login for every service you use, so it can't be in any way correlated for ad targeting correlation purposes.
	🤖 6:46pm PaulRobeson1923: Oh jeez…
	6:47pm ultradamno: For future reference I'm going to pick the scariest option every time
	6:47pm Carmichael: 3 for 3
	🤖 6:47pm Handy Haversack: We had a nice discussion in Mark's Creative Good Forum about ethical newsletter services that don't track your readers' actions.
	🤖 6:47pm PaulRobeson1923: 4. False
	6:47pm bleubombersune: false
	6:47pm Carmichael: 4 false
	6:47pm jello.baby: #4 totally false
	🤖 6:47pm Ken From Hyde Park: 4. False
	6:48pm StringOFperils: False, because false pays baby!
	🤖 6:48pm MarciB: Got 4 right so far- feeling smug
	🤖 6:48pm Webhamster Henry: If you don't load images, there's no path back to the sender for email. I don't, so my sister complains that I don't read her mailchimps.
	6:49pm Carmichael: Here is our privacy policy: we don’t have one.
	🤖 6:49pm Handy Haversack: ↳ ultradamno @6:47 Tea Party lightning sharks?
	6:49pm melinda: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:48 protonmail doesn't load images
	🤖 6:49pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:48 And then open in the browser rather than reading the e-mail so that the links are cleaned.
	🤖 6:49pm PaulRobeson1923: 5. True
	6:49pm Carmichael: 5 true
	🤖 6:50pm Ken From Hyde Park: 5. True
	6:50pm ultradamno: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:49 True!
	🤖 6:50pm chresti: Is there a list of ethical websites?
	🤖 6:50pm Wendy del Formaggio: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:47 I think I started that thread! But I don't remember that we found an ethical newsletter service. Did I miss anything?
	🤖 6:50pm Webhamster Henry: My website: "This website does not use cookies. I do this to give you the best experience: the knowledge that I'm not tracking you with cookies. I'm not serving you ads, and I'm not selling anyone's contact information."
	6:50pm bleubombersune: true your in Alaska
	🤖 6:50pm DjLorraine: True
	🤖 6:50pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:49 Yep! always check those URLs first though, because : phishing.
	🤖 6:51pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:50 You did! And I don't remember either! But I enjoyed the conversation.
	6:51pm Carmichael: I need a good email system in the next few months.
	6:51pm dale: easy to get these correct. just pick the more heinous, unethical answer.
	6:51pm Carmichael: 6 false
	6:51pm Ciggy: My Google Assistant just turned on & asked me if I want to take the train. The train?
	🤖 6:51pm PaulRobeson1923: 6. True?
	🤖 6:51pm Ken From Hyde Park: 6. False
	🤖 6:52pm Wendy del Formaggio: ↳ Carmichael @6:51 I love fastmail. If you wanna know why, I'm happy to tell you.
	🤖 6:52pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ Ciggy @6:51 When a WFMU show is about to come on, my calendar tells me the traffic around Jersey City!
	6:52pm bleubombersune: false they don't include my choice of airline (fly my night airlines)
	🤖 6:52pm Handy Haversack: ↳ chresti @6:50 chresti, here are some ideas for ways to replace certain horrible services: goodreports.com (Mark's site!) switching.software/ (that's switching.software -- the WFMU chat doesn't make it a hyperlink)
	6:53pm bobobobob plasticland: insurance companies been charging like that where u live for fuckin years
	🤖 6:53pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:52 Me too!!
	6:53pm joe mulligan: many airlines like jetblue and southwest arent on the price aggregators
	6:53pm Mennlinn Rebarts: I think if you pick the more dystopian answer each time, you'll get at least a B.
	6:53pm Carmichael: 7 false
	6:53pm bleubombersune: false
	🤖 6:53pm Ken From Hyde Park: 7. False
	🤖 6:53pm PaulRobeson1923: 7. True?
	6:53pm Ciggy: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:52 I haven't commuted into NYC in 7 years!
	6:53pm StringOFperils: The answer is truefalse
	🤖 6:54pm chresti: Thanks Handy.
	6:54pm Fragonard: So far, 1 wrong…
	🤖 6:54pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:52 Yeah, I brought up limitations in Kenzo's URL hiding code for funny TLDs, it may get fixed some day.
	6:54pm dale: your credit rating dictates a lot of the pricing you pay too. people with a stellar rating get charged more usually.
	🤖 6:54pm herb.nyc: I’m doing pretty well. By being cynical.
	6:54pm Wind: ↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:52 I wanna know why Wendy :)
	🤖 6:54pm Handy Haversack: Well, I'm 7/7 so far. 8/8 if you count the Tea Party laser sharks.
	6:54pm bleubombersune: false
	6:54pm Carmichael: Why do you like it, Wendy?
	🤖 6:55pm PaulRobeson1923: 9. True
	🤖 6:55pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ Ciggy @6:53 I haven't eitehr (and when I didn't, never by car) but the calendar thinks I do, and I'm not about to tell it otherwise.
	🤖 6:55pm Ken From Hyde Park: 8. True
	6:55pm mndave: They're not [wink wink, nudge nudge] publishers
	🤖 6:55pm PaulRobeson1923: 8. True* anything goes- Not a publisher
	🤖 6:56pm Wendy del Formaggio: ↳ Wind @6:54 Sure! They don't collect data, there are no ads, they spam filter seems fairly robust, and they offer masked email so you can create "fake" email addresses for when you need an email address to buy something online or to join a newsletter. Handy probably has even more reasons!
	6:56pm Wind: ↳ dale @6:51 you were right dale !
	🤖 6:56pm herb.nyc: Mark said ORBITZ- I once bought orbitz drink at a tag sale. (Mark said DEATH just now)
	🤖 6:56pm Wendy del Formaggio: ↳ Carmichael @6:54 See above...
	6:56pm Carmichael: 9 false
	6:56pm Carmichael: 9 false
	6:56pm bleubombersune: false
	6:56pm Wind: 8/9
	6:57pm bobobob: fox does it all the time
	🤖 6:57pm Handy Haversack: 9/9 here.
	🤖 6:57pm PaulRobeson1923: Thank you, Mark. Good information today
	🤖 6:57pm Wendy del Formaggio: ↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:56 *THEIR spam filter
	6:57pm Carmichael: Thanks Wendy!
	6:57pm Wind: ↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:56 Thanks!
	🤖 6:57pm Handy Haversack: Thanks, Mark! Great show!
	🤖 6:57pm Will thee Sound Guy: Thank you Mark Hurst!!!
	🤖 6:57pm Handy Haversack: Happy Mardi Gras!
	🤖 6:57pm Wendy del Formaggio: Thanks, Mark! Happy Mardi Gras!
	6:57pm dale: it riles them to believe that you perceive the web the weave.... moody blues
	6:57pm StringOFperils: When all else fails, there's still prog. Data so quizzical, it's in 11/8
	6:57pm Wind: Love U Mark!!!
	6:57pm melinda: thanks Mark
	🤖 6:57pm Ken From Hyde Park: I was doing well, but got distracted. I'm in the grocery store. Do I still win a cookie?
	6:57pm Ciggy: Bon Temps Rouler
	🤖 6:57pm Wendy del Formaggio: Haha, a Second Line version of ELO. Nice.
	6:58pm Wind: Happy Mardi Gras to y'all :)
	6:58pm melinda: nice outro
	🤖 6:58pm chresti: Thanks Mark! Happy Mardi Gras!
	6:58pm StringOFperils: The 9th Ward too. Nice!
	6:59pm yippie: I think even big websites could be liable for issues related to prostitution posted to them by users even with 230
	6:59pm Franco Twinkie: Thanks Mark. I didn't do the survey because I was in the bathroom. No excuse, right?
	6:59pm Carmichael: That was prog??
	🤖 6:59pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:57 Unfortunately, you are now for sale in the grocery store. Try to relax and go stale -- they might reduce your price.
	7:00pm Annette: Thanks Mark ‼️
	7:00pm Carmichael: Let’s prog!
	7:01pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone!
	🤖 7:06pm Ken From Hyde Park: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:59 I'm day old inventory!

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