WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from April 3, 2023

Listener comments!
	🤖 6:00pm Handy Haversack: Roger and all the Techyons! We're getting Dipt!
	🤖 6:01pm chresti: Hi Roger and tech recess!
	🤖 6:01pm Bas NL: Hi Roger! Hi all!
	🤖 6:01pm Webhamster Henry: Double Dip Tonic!
	6:02pm Carmichael: Recess or tech??
	6:02pm love2laf: Hi Roger, get in here, and double dip the Mark Hurst. Off to dinner, but happy to catch a hot minute to say hi.
	6:02pm Carmichael: What happened to Gen Y?
	6:03pm joe mulligan: what a great idea for the show, thanks Roger!!
	6:03pm Franco Twinkie: I'm scared! It's already sounding like a math problem.
	6:03pm joe mulligan: ↳ Carmichael @6:02 millenials are also gen Y
	🤖 6:04pm Webhamster Henry: I've figured out I'm Generation P (born in 1823)
	6:05pm Toothgrinder Tom: Will Ursa be expounding on the dangers of facial recognition software later?
	6:05pm Carmichael: My intern has never spoken on a landline telephone, and is scared to do so.
	6:06pm Toothgrinder Tom: (Just joshing around.)
	6:06pm Franco Twinkie: I'm Generation CF - complete failure.
	6:07pm chresti: My son was born in 88, is he a Y?
	6:09pm g00berz: Ugh, Gen Z….
	6:10pm g00berz: Why do all these kids have vocal fry and/or use up speak?
	6:10pm lazy pierogi: ↳ chresti @6:07 88 is millennial...i was also born in 88! :)
	6:10pm g00berz: Croaky
	6:12pm Dean: Thank the lord for up speak! It sure beats NPR's trademarked down speak.
	6:13pm Franco Twinkie: I damage relationships without the aid of social media. It's easier than you think.
	6:14pm Franco Twinkie: Kayla sounds like she has her feet on the ground.
	6:17pm coelacanth∅: sadly, very few people these people's age will wake up to their zombieness in the near future, if ever.
	🤖 6:18pm Handy Haversack: Abundant self-reflection from both the people who have shared their time and thoughts with us. Though the best way to get "them" to take away TikTok is just to dump TikTok.
	6:20pm Cooh John: This was the argument against TV when I was a child. Just turn it off and play outside with others.
	6:20pm Fredericks: I always took Doom Scrolling to be wallowing in an endless bad news cycle. But the way I hear people use it these day, it seems to have a different meaning.
	6:21pm Peter from Boonton formerly Dover NJ: Really nice discussion. Thank you, Roger and Kayla.
	6:21pm joe mulligan: I don't doom scroll so much, but def keep "channel checking" email to IG then Slack and then WFMU comments. thankfully the wfmu comments are most engaging.
	6:21pm Crank Rumpkin: 87 here. Quit social media. Life is good. Teach middle school in the Bronx. Oh my God these kids and the net - no bueno. Neil Postman's The End of Childhood rapidly coming true. But we've stopped building a real world for people and kids. Were not building an alternative for them to turn away from. Easy to rail against, lots of immediate hip cred to hating on the Apps, but there's no offline vision of the world and what we want it to be outside of consumerism and The Entertainment ® Unsolicited book recs: The Twittering Machine. Age of Misinformation. The Net Delusion. The Cult of Information. Technopoly.
	6:23pm Dean: The skepticism of the new printing press post-Gutenberg was, I think, very different from this. Then, print = information/knowledge = authority/power. Rulers did not want the plebeians accessing it. Now, rulers and their "capitalist outlook" precisely want people to access their tools.
	6:23pm Robm: After hearing these students i am so glad i am not on social media, this station is the extent of it
	6:25pm Cooh John: Is this Wild Palms coming to reality?
	6:25pm Marie in Queens: Hey Roger, great idea for a show
	🤖 6:25pm Handy Haversack: For those who don't know what a dark room is? Ouch.
	6:26pm Crank Rumpkin: That hurt
	6:26pm Roger: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:25 I made him go back and say that.
	6:27pm Jeff Moore: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:25 Yeah, that sure stuck out for me.
	6:27pm Dean: "Kids." The meaning of that word is broadening, and not for the better.
	🤖 6:28pm MarciB: Wow- I'm recalling my years as a custom darkroom printing technician in the 80s. I'm glad Adam has discovered the magic of analog and has quit social media.
	🤖 6:28pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Roger @6:26 Ha! I understand. I have a good friend who's a photog. prof. at CCNY and so also teaches kids the same age the same tech. I just hadn't contemplated that many younger people just have no experience of dark rooms.
	6:28pm Dean: A teacher in my junior high school taught photography during the summer. I took the class, '71 or '72.
	6:28pm Roger: thanks for being here Handy! Chresti! Bas NL! Carmichael! love2laf! Joe Mulligan! Franco Twinkle! Webjhamster Henry! Toothgrinder Tom
	6:29pm Roger: ↳ Toothgrinder Tom @6:05 ooh, a missed opportunity
	6:29pm Peter from Boonton formerly Dover NJ: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:28 Stores that sell film cameras... I haven't seen one in years. My late uncle, avid wildlife photographer and had a darkroom in his house.
	🤖 6:30pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Peter from Boonton formerly Dover NJ @6:29 "You go to B&H"?
	6:30pm Cooh John: Handy, I spent hours in the darkroom. Built one from the ground up. My safelight was a string of red Christmas lights.
	6:32pm D Rok: This was a great idea Roger.
	6:33pm Roger: g00berz! Dean! coelacanth∅! Cooh John! Fredericks! PeterFBfDNJ! Crank Rumpkin - Love Postman Robm! Marie!- thanks! Jeff! glad you folks are here!
	6:33pm Franco Twinkie: Adam is exceptional. He'll do well banging two rocks together, because he as an analytical mind that never rests.
	6:33pm Roger: ↳ MarciB @6:28 Many many schools got rid of their darkrooms when digital appeared.
	6:33pm Dean: What art do you teach, Roger? Art practice? History?
	🤖 6:33pm Webhamster Henry: My high school built a new arts building about 20 years ago and put in nice darkrooms that were just about obsolete by the time the building was up. But the kids still can do chemical photography if they like!
	6:33pm middle aged: Thank GAWD I am not a child of the past 20 years. Social media makes me barf.
	6:34pm Roger: ↳ D Rok @6:32 D Rok Thanks
	6:34pm Roger: ↳ middle aged @6:33 ha
	6:34pm Roger: ↳ middle aged @6:33 barf is such a great word
	6:35pm G: Lotta uptalking tonight :-)
	6:35pm Cooh John: Good idea and execution, Roger. My new t-shirt: Virtual reality, not the real thing.
	6:36pm Dean: Do the students ever discuss other sources of learning? Books? Experience? Hanging with friends? My 12yo daughter has "learned" about old cultural artifacts thanks to TikTok. I'll play music from my youth and she'll report that she knows it from TT.
	6:36pm Dean: Has anybody ever confessed, "I do spend too much time reading"?
	6:37pm farter: My friend’s 15 year old spent all day on Tik Tok today. He must be so proud.
	🤖 6:37pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hi, Roger and multi-generational units!
	6:37pm Carmichael: Up speak is a series of endless questions and stream of consciousness babble. Kerouac was ahead of his time.
	6:37pm Joe Mulligan 🦀: Uptalk for now and then vocal fry later with Dan Bodah tonight!
	6:37pm Juli: Oof this is a nightmare
	🤖 6:37pm Bas NL: Zzzzzzzz....
	6:38pm Juli: I had to turn it off it felt like listening to tales from Hell lol
	6:38pm Dean: I attended a lecture today by Paul Duguid. It was drawn in part from this book: https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691179544/information Useful for all interested parties.
	6:39pm Franco Twinkie: ↳ Dean @6:36 That's hilarious! Reading as a shameful pursuit.
	🤖 6:40pm MarciB: I don't have kids but have nieces and nephews ages 13-30 that I am so concerned about with their social media consumption. And also some of their parents are addicted too!
	6:41pm Juli: Ahhhhhh I need something wholesome and unique rn
	🤖 6:41pm Ken From Hyde Park: What's the optimal number of hours per week to spend tweaking one's Geocities page?
	6:42pm merl ravenscroft: we gotta get the kids hooked the WFMU comments board
	6:42pm Cooh John: Franco, I read a book a month.
	🤖 6:42pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:41 Come on, Ken. Angelfire or nothing!
	6:42pm Dean: So far, I've not heard any evidence for Hasan's remark that "History moves so much quicker" [sic]. Quicker than what? Than the history through which I lived as a young adult? How so? Nevertheless, I have confidence in our youth, in part because I work with them and I have two kids and I know that the doomsday story is perpetuated by old farts like me.
	6:43pm Carmichael: ↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:41 Between that and my Angelfire pages, I'm busy 24/7
	🤖 6:43pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Carmichael @6:43 Playing both sides!
	6:43pm MOMMOMMOM: So thankful for this discussion. I’m saving this particular episode to show my kid when the time comes to allow her onto devices. The young people, who can critically think about about “phones”, and the myriad temptations that come with them, will mean a lot more to her than anything I’ll say. Parents now really have their work cut out for themselves.
	6:43pm Carmichael: I owe you a Pepsi, Handy
	🤖 6:44pm PaulRobeson1923: ↳ merl ravenscroft @6:42 So true Hi Hi Hu
	6:44pm Franco Twinkie: Social media is now considered an addiction on the spectrum of all other aberrant behavior. That's a breakthrough, right?
	6:45pm Dean: Capitalism isn't about "outlooks" or "mindsets"! It's about "ownership of the means of production" and related material arrangements. It's not a hegemony of opinions.
	🤖 6:45pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Carmichael @6:43 It's all I wanted.
	🤖 6:45pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Franco Twinkie @6:44 I think it's more important to recognize that social media companies intentionally employ addictive methodology.
	6:46pm Cooh John: Dean, I think Hasan is referring to the phenomenon pointed out in Toffler's "Future Shock".
	6:46pm Richy4619: This show is such the antidote.
	6:47pm Carmichael: Even my wife sees an ad on Facebook and says, "That's so weird, I was just talking about that."
	🤖 6:47pm MarciB: What's going to happen-eps t to the kids - when Apple, Goggle etc stops making phones and only offers their spyware googles?
	6:47pm Dean: I read--more like, skimmed--Toffler when it was a bestseller, a paperback resting on my mom's bed stand.
	🤖 6:48pm 2/3 of the Perrin Family: great show, thank YOU!
	🤖 6:48pm chresti: SAVE US HASAN
	🤖 6:48pm PaulRobeson1923: I wana hear about how the kids are buying drugs on the internet
	6:49pm Dean: Truly, I worry more about how older adults deal with all of this. Kids and young adults like the interviewees--they are adults, for crying out loud--at least know that one can't be too skeptical.
	6:49pm Roger: The Social Dilemma should be required viewing. Really important.
	🤖 6:49pm PaulRobeson1923: ↳ Dean @6:49 The idea of childhood is historically contingent
	🤖 6:50pm MarciB: ↳ Roger @6:49 Agreed!
	6:50pm Franco Twinkie: ↳ Dean @6:45 It's also aspirational as a personal stance with a glamourous sheen like never before. Screen enhanced envy is rampant.
	6:50pm Crank Rumpkin: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:45 The old are really addicted, especially the lonely. You see how empty the experience is and that we're all being left to. It's Bowling Alone on steroids
	6:51pm Carmichael: My friends ask me if I have a cell phone. I tell them I do, and it's in my pants pocket.
	6:51pm Dean: I have the benefit of being a misanthrope. Why would I ever want to use a tool that allows me to communicate with more people?! (He says on a comment board in conversation with a bunch of people he doesn't know...)_ At this point in history, however, a 23 year old student IS an adult, contingently, but that's we have to work with.
	6:51pm merl ravenscroft: THE Algorithm :(
	6:51pm Fredericks: Hasan sees what's going on. The problem is figuring out how to address it when the bad guys have most of the people's attention.
	6:52pm Dean: "The problem is figuring out how to address it when the bad guys have most of the people's attention." Now there's a perennial problem.
	6:52pm Franco Twinkie: ↳ Carmichael @6:51 I love whipping out my flip phone in a busy cafe!
	6:52pm Helena: Luddite over here
	6:54pm Carmichael: I'm one of those guys in Gataca, who live off the grid.
	6:54pm Dean: Mengwe gets to graduate early.
	6:54pm merl ravenscroft: at least we have wfmu to keep us warm at night
	🤖 6:54pm PaulRobeson1923: ↳ Dean @6:51 I agree! When u are able to read and drive a car- you are legally and in actuality an adult— however nowadays - many people are like children in their minds -
	6:54pm Richy4619: Reaaly appreciate you handing the mic over to some smart young ppl.
	6:54pm Franco Twinkie: Flaunt your refusal - die unplugged.
	🤖 6:54pm MarciB: Mengwe is my hero
	🤖 6:55pm PaulRobeson1923: Ben Franklin was an adult at 7 years old
	6:55pm Dean: In my mind, PaulRobeson1923, I'm a sumo wrestler. Still, I'm not a sumo wrestler. Franklin, Mozart, Booker Little...they don't count!
	🤖 6:56pm PaulRobeson1923: ↳ Dean @6:55 I’m bastardizing Neil Postman
	6:56pm StringOFperils: Mengwe, I see a mirror and a can of Red Bull in your future, and ...no...wait...ahhhh.....I see you are a sailor.
	6:56pm Dean: Sorry about that, PaulRobeson1923, all of my ideas are original.
	6:56pm Carmichael: ↳ PaulRobeson1923 @6:55 Lauren Boebert is still not an adult.
	🤖 6:56pm PaulRobeson1923: ↳ Dean @6:55 www.goodreads.com... This is what i am BUTCHERING
	6:56pm Fredericks: ↳ Dean @6:47 I read a couple of his books long ago. As I recall he was rather optimistic about having computers in our home. I think he thought they would be liberating, not addicting or being used as tools of surveillance. I could be remembering incorrectly.
	🤖 6:56pm Ken From Hyde Park: Thanks, Roger and interview subjects.
	🤖 6:57pm PaulRobeson1923: ↳ Dean @6:56 I love U : FMU
	6:57pm Franco Twinkie: Sleep more, type less.
	6:57pm Dean: Why is it derogatory to call somebody "not an adult," i.e., a kid?
	🤖 6:58pm Bas NL: This is a fantastic show. A time document. Thanks for gathering these stories Roger!
	6:58pm Cooh John: I don't tweeter. I am not a twit. Never did, never will.
	6:58pm Dean: For writers, Fredericks, who model that trend, see Howard Rheingold, Jonathan Zittrain, and Yochai Benkler, among others. The hype is thick.
	6:58pm Franco Twinkie: Thank you Roger. I'm going outside to stare at the sky.
	🤖 6:59pm Handy Haversack: I worry a lot about activism and organizing done on social media -- companies that clearly are happy to sell anyone out to the forces of hatred and repression for cash considerations. It seems like a massive risk. Thanks, Roger! And thanks to your students as well! Really interesting insights. Many thanks for their candor and willingness to open up to us.
	6:59pm Dean: Of course, shortly Zittrain changed his mind. Of course he did.
	6:59pm Crank Rumpkin: Nice show!
	🤖 6:59pm PaulRobeson1923: ↳ Dean @6:57 The idea of childhood is historically contingent- a Sesame Street mentality- learning has to be entertaining!! Nowadays folks can be 50 & have the world View of a child www.goodreads.com...
	6:59pm Joe Mulligan 🦀: Brilliant show, thanks roger!
	6:59pm Fishtown Mike: Great show, Roger! Thanks to you and your students for putting it together!
	6:59pm Fredericks: ↳ joe mulligan @6:21 Are we doomed to scroll endlessly for all of eternity?
	6:59pm StringOFperils: Thanks Roger.
	6:59pm listener 126464: Thanks, Roger!
	🤖 6:59pm chresti: Alright Jiwon! Thanks Roger!
	7:00pm Dean: But childhood is about competence and power imbalance. I don't vote, but I'm all for mandatory voting and voting for ALL, including infants. The problem, of course, is that parents will exploit their authority.
	7:01pm Feldy: Great show today. Thanks Roger!
	7:01pm Fredericks: Did Roger says who this was?
	🤖 7:01pm chresti: ↳ Fredericks @7:01 Jiwon
	7:02pm Fredericks: Thanks, Chresti!

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from April 3, 2023

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Conversations with creators and thinkers who are charting the way forward in a tech-saturated society. In our shift to a digital future, we need alternatives to Big Tech. Homepage: techtonic.fm

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April 3, 2023: Roger guest-hosts: Gen Z Speaks (about social media)

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Artist	Track	Label	Comments	Approx. start time
Cisco, age 22, senior	"Cisco, age 22, senior"			0:00:00 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Kayla, age 23, recent graduate	"Kayla, age 23, recent graduate"	https://kaylabugeya.myportfolio.com/		0:11:12 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Adam, age 25, senior	"Adam, age 25, senior"			0:21:59 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Jiwon, age 23, recent graduate	"Jiwon, age 23, recent graduate"			0:29:50 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Hasan, age 24, senior	"Hasan, age 24, senior"			0:37:36 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Mengwe, age 22, junior	"Mengwe, age 22, junior"			0:47:13 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Jiwon	Afraid of Love (demo) "Afraid of Love (demo)" by "Jiwon"	Jiwon links. https://instagram.com/jiwons.ig?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= https://www.tiktok.com/@jiwonstiktok?_t=8bC2Z	Producer Nano Robert links: https://instagram.com/nanerts1k?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= https://www.tiktok.com/@nanoroberts?_t=8bCi3vtKuRe&_r=1igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

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Listener comments!
	🤖 6:00pm Handy Haversack: Roger and all the Techyons! We're getting Dipt!
	🤖 6:01pm chresti: Hi Roger and tech recess!
	🤖 6:01pm Bas NL: Hi Roger! Hi all!
	🤖 6:01pm Webhamster Henry: Double Dip Tonic!
	6:02pm Carmichael: Recess or tech??
	6:02pm love2laf: Hi Roger, get in here, and double dip the Mark Hurst. Off to dinner, but happy to catch a hot minute to say hi.
	6:02pm Carmichael: What happened to Gen Y?
	6:03pm joe mulligan: what a great idea for the show, thanks Roger!!
	6:03pm Franco Twinkie: I'm scared! It's already sounding like a math problem.
	6:03pm joe mulligan: ↳ Carmichael @6:02 millenials are also gen Y
	🤖 6:04pm Webhamster Henry: I've figured out I'm Generation P (born in 1823)
	6:05pm Toothgrinder Tom: Will Ursa be expounding on the dangers of facial recognition software later?
	6:05pm Carmichael: My intern has never spoken on a landline telephone, and is scared to do so.
	6:06pm Toothgrinder Tom: (Just joshing around.)
	6:06pm Franco Twinkie: I'm Generation CF - complete failure.
	6:07pm chresti: My son was born in 88, is he a Y?
	6:09pm g00berz: Ugh, Gen Z….
	6:10pm g00berz: Why do all these kids have vocal fry and/or use up speak?
	6:10pm lazy pierogi: ↳ chresti @6:07 88 is millennial...i was also born in 88! :)
	6:10pm g00berz: Croaky
	6:12pm Dean: Thank the lord for up speak! It sure beats NPR's trademarked down speak.
	6:13pm Franco Twinkie: I damage relationships without the aid of social media. It's easier than you think.
	6:14pm Franco Twinkie: Kayla sounds like she has her feet on the ground.
	6:17pm coelacanth∅: sadly, very few people these people's age will wake up to their zombieness in the near future, if ever.
	🤖 6:18pm Handy Haversack: Abundant self-reflection from both the people who have shared their time and thoughts with us. Though the best way to get "them" to take away TikTok is just to dump TikTok.
	6:20pm Cooh John: This was the argument against TV when I was a child. Just turn it off and play outside with others.
	6:20pm Fredericks: I always took Doom Scrolling to be wallowing in an endless bad news cycle. But the way I hear people use it these day, it seems to have a different meaning.
	6:21pm Peter from Boonton formerly Dover NJ: Really nice discussion. Thank you, Roger and Kayla.
	6:21pm joe mulligan: I don't doom scroll so much, but def keep "channel checking" email to IG then Slack and then WFMU comments. thankfully the wfmu comments are most engaging.
	6:21pm Crank Rumpkin: 87 here. Quit social media. Life is good. Teach middle school in the Bronx. Oh my God these kids and the net - no bueno. Neil Postman's The End of Childhood rapidly coming true. But we've stopped building a real world for people and kids. Were not building an alternative for them to turn away from. Easy to rail against, lots of immediate hip cred to hating on the Apps, but there's no offline vision of the world and what we want it to be outside of consumerism and The Entertainment ® Unsolicited book recs: The Twittering Machine. Age of Misinformation. The Net Delusion. The Cult of Information. Technopoly.
	6:23pm Dean: The skepticism of the new printing press post-Gutenberg was, I think, very different from this. Then, print = information/knowledge = authority/power. Rulers did not want the plebeians accessing it. Now, rulers and their "capitalist outlook" precisely want people to access their tools.
	6:23pm Robm: After hearing these students i am so glad i am not on social media, this station is the extent of it
	6:25pm Cooh John: Is this Wild Palms coming to reality?
	6:25pm Marie in Queens: Hey Roger, great idea for a show
	🤖 6:25pm Handy Haversack: For those who don't know what a dark room is? Ouch.
	6:26pm Crank Rumpkin: That hurt
	6:26pm Roger: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:25 I made him go back and say that.
	6:27pm Jeff Moore: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:25 Yeah, that sure stuck out for me.
	6:27pm Dean: "Kids." The meaning of that word is broadening, and not for the better.
	🤖 6:28pm MarciB: Wow- I'm recalling my years as a custom darkroom printing technician in the 80s. I'm glad Adam has discovered the magic of analog and has quit social media.
	🤖 6:28pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Roger @6:26 Ha! I understand. I have a good friend who's a photog. prof. at CCNY and so also teaches kids the same age the same tech. I just hadn't contemplated that many younger people just have no experience of dark rooms.
	6:28pm Dean: A teacher in my junior high school taught photography during the summer. I took the class, '71 or '72.
	6:28pm Roger: thanks for being here Handy! Chresti! Bas NL! Carmichael! love2laf! Joe Mulligan! Franco Twinkle! Webjhamster Henry! Toothgrinder Tom
	6:29pm Roger: ↳ Toothgrinder Tom @6:05 ooh, a missed opportunity
	6:29pm Peter from Boonton formerly Dover NJ: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:28 Stores that sell film cameras... I haven't seen one in years. My late uncle, avid wildlife photographer and had a darkroom in his house.
	🤖 6:30pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Peter from Boonton formerly Dover NJ @6:29 "You go to B&H"?
	6:30pm Cooh John: Handy, I spent hours in the darkroom. Built one from the ground up. My safelight was a string of red Christmas lights.
	6:32pm D Rok: This was a great idea Roger.
	6:33pm Roger: g00berz! Dean! coelacanth∅! Cooh John! Fredericks! PeterFBfDNJ! Crank Rumpkin - Love Postman Robm! Marie!- thanks! Jeff! glad you folks are here!
	6:33pm Franco Twinkie: Adam is exceptional. He'll do well banging two rocks together, because he as an analytical mind that never rests.
	6:33pm Roger: ↳ MarciB @6:28 Many many schools got rid of their darkrooms when digital appeared.
	6:33pm Dean: What art do you teach, Roger? Art practice? History?
	🤖 6:33pm Webhamster Henry: My high school built a new arts building about 20 years ago and put in nice darkrooms that were just about obsolete by the time the building was up. But the kids still can do chemical photography if they like!
	6:33pm middle aged: Thank GAWD I am not a child of the past 20 years. Social media makes me barf.
	6:34pm Roger: ↳ D Rok @6:32 D Rok Thanks
	6:34pm Roger: ↳ middle aged @6:33 ha
	6:34pm Roger: ↳ middle aged @6:33 barf is such a great word
	6:35pm G: Lotta uptalking tonight :-)
	6:35pm Cooh John: Good idea and execution, Roger. My new t-shirt: Virtual reality, not the real thing.
	6:36pm Dean: Do the students ever discuss other sources of learning? Books? Experience? Hanging with friends? My 12yo daughter has "learned" about old cultural artifacts thanks to TikTok. I'll play music from my youth and she'll report that she knows it from TT.
	6:36pm Dean: Has anybody ever confessed, "I do spend too much time reading"?
	6:37pm farter: My friend’s 15 year old spent all day on Tik Tok today. He must be so proud.
	🤖 6:37pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hi, Roger and multi-generational units!
	6:37pm Carmichael: Up speak is a series of endless questions and stream of consciousness babble. Kerouac was ahead of his time.
	6:37pm Joe Mulligan 🦀: Uptalk for now and then vocal fry later with Dan Bodah tonight!
	6:37pm Juli: Oof this is a nightmare
	🤖 6:37pm Bas NL: Zzzzzzzz....
	6:38pm Juli: I had to turn it off it felt like listening to tales from Hell lol
	6:38pm Dean: I attended a lecture today by Paul Duguid. It was drawn in part from this book: https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691179544/information Useful for all interested parties.
	6:39pm Franco Twinkie: ↳ Dean @6:36 That's hilarious! Reading as a shameful pursuit.
	🤖 6:40pm MarciB: I don't have kids but have nieces and nephews ages 13-30 that I am so concerned about with their social media consumption. And also some of their parents are addicted too!
	6:41pm Juli: Ahhhhhh I need something wholesome and unique rn
	🤖 6:41pm Ken From Hyde Park: What's the optimal number of hours per week to spend tweaking one's Geocities page?
	6:42pm merl ravenscroft: we gotta get the kids hooked the WFMU comments board
	6:42pm Cooh John: Franco, I read a book a month.
	🤖 6:42pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:41 Come on, Ken. Angelfire or nothing!
	6:42pm Dean: So far, I've not heard any evidence for Hasan's remark that "History moves so much quicker" [sic]. Quicker than what? Than the history through which I lived as a young adult? How so? Nevertheless, I have confidence in our youth, in part because I work with them and I have two kids and I know that the doomsday story is perpetuated by old farts like me.
	6:43pm Carmichael: ↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:41 Between that and my Angelfire pages, I'm busy 24/7
	🤖 6:43pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Carmichael @6:43 Playing both sides!
	6:43pm MOMMOMMOM: So thankful for this discussion. I’m saving this particular episode to show my kid when the time comes to allow her onto devices. The young people, who can critically think about about “phones”, and the myriad temptations that come with them, will mean a lot more to her than anything I’ll say. Parents now really have their work cut out for themselves.
	6:43pm Carmichael: I owe you a Pepsi, Handy
	🤖 6:44pm PaulRobeson1923: ↳ merl ravenscroft @6:42 So true Hi Hi Hu
	6:44pm Franco Twinkie: Social media is now considered an addiction on the spectrum of all other aberrant behavior. That's a breakthrough, right?
	6:45pm Dean: Capitalism isn't about "outlooks" or "mindsets"! It's about "ownership of the means of production" and related material arrangements. It's not a hegemony of opinions.
	🤖 6:45pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Carmichael @6:43 It's all I wanted.
	🤖 6:45pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Franco Twinkie @6:44 I think it's more important to recognize that social media companies intentionally employ addictive methodology.
	6:46pm Cooh John: Dean, I think Hasan is referring to the phenomenon pointed out in Toffler's "Future Shock".
	6:46pm Richy4619: This show is such the antidote.
	6:47pm Carmichael: Even my wife sees an ad on Facebook and says, "That's so weird, I was just talking about that."
	🤖 6:47pm MarciB: What's going to happen-eps t to the kids - when Apple, Goggle etc stops making phones and only offers their spyware googles?
	6:47pm Dean: I read--more like, skimmed--Toffler when it was a bestseller, a paperback resting on my mom's bed stand.
	🤖 6:48pm 2/3 of the Perrin Family: great show, thank YOU!
	🤖 6:48pm chresti: SAVE US HASAN
	🤖 6:48pm PaulRobeson1923: I wana hear about how the kids are buying drugs on the internet
	6:49pm Dean: Truly, I worry more about how older adults deal with all of this. Kids and young adults like the interviewees--they are adults, for crying out loud--at least know that one can't be too skeptical.
	6:49pm Roger: The Social Dilemma should be required viewing. Really important.
	🤖 6:49pm PaulRobeson1923: ↳ Dean @6:49 The idea of childhood is historically contingent
	🤖 6:50pm MarciB: ↳ Roger @6:49 Agreed!
	6:50pm Franco Twinkie: ↳ Dean @6:45 It's also aspirational as a personal stance with a glamourous sheen like never before. Screen enhanced envy is rampant.
	6:50pm Crank Rumpkin: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:45 The old are really addicted, especially the lonely. You see how empty the experience is and that we're all being left to. It's Bowling Alone on steroids
	6:51pm Carmichael: My friends ask me if I have a cell phone. I tell them I do, and it's in my pants pocket.
	6:51pm Dean: I have the benefit of being a misanthrope. Why would I ever want to use a tool that allows me to communicate with more people?! (He says on a comment board in conversation with a bunch of people he doesn't know...)_ At this point in history, however, a 23 year old student IS an adult, contingently, but that's we have to work with.
	6:51pm merl ravenscroft: THE Algorithm :(
	6:51pm Fredericks: Hasan sees what's going on. The problem is figuring out how to address it when the bad guys have most of the people's attention.
	6:52pm Dean: "The problem is figuring out how to address it when the bad guys have most of the people's attention." Now there's a perennial problem.
	6:52pm Franco Twinkie: ↳ Carmichael @6:51 I love whipping out my flip phone in a busy cafe!
	6:52pm Helena: Luddite over here
	6:54pm Carmichael: I'm one of those guys in Gataca, who live off the grid.
	6:54pm Dean: Mengwe gets to graduate early.
	6:54pm merl ravenscroft: at least we have wfmu to keep us warm at night
	🤖 6:54pm PaulRobeson1923: ↳ Dean @6:51 I agree! When u are able to read and drive a car- you are legally and in actuality an adult— however nowadays - many people are like children in their minds -
	6:54pm Richy4619: Reaaly appreciate you handing the mic over to some smart young ppl.
	6:54pm Franco Twinkie: Flaunt your refusal - die unplugged.
	🤖 6:54pm MarciB: Mengwe is my hero
	🤖 6:55pm PaulRobeson1923: Ben Franklin was an adult at 7 years old
	6:55pm Dean: In my mind, PaulRobeson1923, I'm a sumo wrestler. Still, I'm not a sumo wrestler. Franklin, Mozart, Booker Little...they don't count!
	🤖 6:56pm PaulRobeson1923: ↳ Dean @6:55 I’m bastardizing Neil Postman
	6:56pm StringOFperils: Mengwe, I see a mirror and a can of Red Bull in your future, and ...no...wait...ahhhh.....I see you are a sailor.
	6:56pm Dean: Sorry about that, PaulRobeson1923, all of my ideas are original.
	6:56pm Carmichael: ↳ PaulRobeson1923 @6:55 Lauren Boebert is still not an adult.
	🤖 6:56pm PaulRobeson1923: ↳ Dean @6:55 www.goodreads.com... This is what i am BUTCHERING
	6:56pm Fredericks: ↳ Dean @6:47 I read a couple of his books long ago. As I recall he was rather optimistic about having computers in our home. I think he thought they would be liberating, not addicting or being used as tools of surveillance. I could be remembering incorrectly.
	🤖 6:56pm Ken From Hyde Park: Thanks, Roger and interview subjects.
	🤖 6:57pm PaulRobeson1923: ↳ Dean @6:56 I love U : FMU
	6:57pm Franco Twinkie: Sleep more, type less.
	6:57pm Dean: Why is it derogatory to call somebody "not an adult," i.e., a kid?
	🤖 6:58pm Bas NL: This is a fantastic show. A time document. Thanks for gathering these stories Roger!
	6:58pm Cooh John: I don't tweeter. I am not a twit. Never did, never will.
	6:58pm Dean: For writers, Fredericks, who model that trend, see Howard Rheingold, Jonathan Zittrain, and Yochai Benkler, among others. The hype is thick.
	6:58pm Franco Twinkie: Thank you Roger. I'm going outside to stare at the sky.
	🤖 6:59pm Handy Haversack: I worry a lot about activism and organizing done on social media -- companies that clearly are happy to sell anyone out to the forces of hatred and repression for cash considerations. It seems like a massive risk. Thanks, Roger! And thanks to your students as well! Really interesting insights. Many thanks for their candor and willingness to open up to us.
	6:59pm Dean: Of course, shortly Zittrain changed his mind. Of course he did.
	6:59pm Crank Rumpkin: Nice show!
	🤖 6:59pm PaulRobeson1923: ↳ Dean @6:57 The idea of childhood is historically contingent- a Sesame Street mentality- learning has to be entertaining!! Nowadays folks can be 50 & have the world View of a child www.goodreads.com...
	6:59pm Joe Mulligan 🦀: Brilliant show, thanks roger!
	6:59pm Fishtown Mike: Great show, Roger! Thanks to you and your students for putting it together!
	6:59pm Fredericks: ↳ joe mulligan @6:21 Are we doomed to scroll endlessly for all of eternity?
	6:59pm StringOFperils: Thanks Roger.
	6:59pm listener 126464: Thanks, Roger!
	🤖 6:59pm chresti: Alright Jiwon! Thanks Roger!
	7:00pm Dean: But childhood is about competence and power imbalance. I don't vote, but I'm all for mandatory voting and voting for ALL, including infants. The problem, of course, is that parents will exploit their authority.
	7:01pm Feldy: Great show today. Thanks Roger!
	7:01pm Fredericks: Did Roger says who this was?
	🤖 7:01pm chresti: ↳ Fredericks @7:01 Jiwon
	7:02pm Fredericks: Thanks, Chresti!

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