WFMU: Blurred and Obscured with Jonathan Herweg: Playlist from May 1, 2023

Listener comments!
	🎙 12:03am Aitch: Hello obscuritors
	🎙 12:04am Aitch: and those who've heard about the blurred
	🎙 12:05am Jherweg: The “Blurred Herd”
	12:09am T GRavel: feeling blurry ... and haunted
	12:09am Blissland: greetings
	12:09am Blissland: I like that Richard Burton excerpt.
	🎙 12:10am Jherweg: Yeah it’s a good one !!
	12:11am northguineahills: oh, cool, ben vida...
	12:13am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: 🐇RABBIT 🐇RABBIT 🐇RABBIT
	12:15am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: 🌿💐Joyeux Beltane💐🌿
	12:16am northguineahills: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @12:15 now, that's what i'm talking about!
	🎙 12:16am Ken From Hyde Park: Pictured: back wall of the WFMU break room fridge. Hello!
	🎙 12:17am Ike: Meow!
	12:22am Richy4619: rabbit rabbit y'all. i know a bardo song the second i hear one.
	12:31am Blissland: Elevated cortisol is a really bad thing.
	12:33am Blissland: I've known bad alcoholics and I wouldn't accept the "disease" cop out.
	12:34am misterdavid: Thank you for your thoughts. I never met long term alcoholic who wasn’t deeply wounded and often deeply wounding.
	12:35am Blissland: ↳ misterdavid @12:34 agreed
	12:36am mr 6: The disease reference is misunderstood by you sir. The statement “It’s my disease speaking “ is also misunderstood. The 12 steps of AA make us responsible for our own actions.
	12:37am Paul: As an alchoholic, who’s in the program, it’s thought of more as a Dis Ease. As in, I am not at ease, I am in spiritual strife with myself and the world around me. Also AA is all about taking accountability for your actions and making amends for them where possible, so I feel like who ever is using the disease model as a cop out isn’t actually working the program.
	12:38am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Hm. Well - physical addiction is a distinct condition clearly. So that depends on the definition of disease. The psychology of substance abuse in relation to a definition of disease - no simple matter to consider...
	12:39am Marc15: When I turned 50, my doctor gave me a booklet of all of the ailments I can get
	12:39am Blissland: The people I've know have not tried to use that as a cop out with me, but if they did I wouldn't accept it. That's what I meant.
	12:39am Blissland: I can't speak for Jonathan.
	12:40am Paul: I haven’t met anyone in general who isn’t deeply wounded, so to pidgeon hole alchoholics as the only ones is a bad generalization to make. At least they are trying to work on themselves. It’s stigmas like these that just further pull people apart and cast stones to make oneself feel better or superior.
	🎙 12:40am Jherweg: I mean we can get in a debate about “the disease model” I think it’s an interesting topic. I’ve had plenty of friends and family who have been deeply affected by drugs and alcohol so it’s something I’ve thought tons about , but I doubt I could articulate everything I’ve thought about it over the years here . I think the disease model is flawed . All thought it does share similarities with being genetically pre disposed to disease . I’m deeply wounded .
	12:41am Blissland: Back up, no one is saying that.
	12:41am Kiki: greetings just tuned in! sounds good!💞📻🎵🎼🎙🎛🎚🎧
	12:41am Paul: If you think you aren’t wounded or better than me for being “normal” or “not an alchoholic” hooray for you.
	12:41am Paul: Mic drop.
	12:41am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: It's an important question - because I think the way to Harm Reduction is to consider addiction & substance problems Medically - not so much Legally ...& in social terms - considering it Morally is smack in the middle of the path to those...
	12:42am Blissland: ↳ Paul @12:41 I don't think anyone is implying anything like that.
	🎙 12:42am Jherweg: I do think that people reach a point in any sort of compulsive or addictive behavior that abstinence is an absolute must , so I agree with that…
	12:45am Blissland: I will not accept the idea that one should put up with unlimited abuse, belligerence, and violence from anyone regardless of their condition.
	12:45am bill hanke: I need a beer and bong hit
	12:45am Blissland: ↳ bill hanke @12:45 hehe
	12:45am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: As for an attitude of 'you should just know better' - this presumes many things about our society & about human behavior alike. It is also true that the first victims of Prohibition are usually Truth & ready access to the Facts... Otoh - everybody knows the deal with which drugs are addictive & threaten overdose & the rest, pretty much it seems ?...
	12:46am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Blissland @12:45 Well - you have Rights too.
	12:46am mr 6: JHerweg the AA concept is spiritual Mental and Physical. The facts of disease are a medically proven fact with references to addiction and mental illness. Yes it can be genetic. My known family had several addicts and alcoholics. Does it prove anything? No yet it helps those of us in recovery understand why we must surrender in order to move forward today.
	12:48am Paul: Yeah neither would I I don’t think being an alchoholic or a drug addict is a get out of jail free card, I’m responding to the deeply wounded comment - the dis ease / disease thing is a grey area in general
	12:51am Blissland: I am seriously wounded beyond repair and I don't know anyone who has not been screwed by the world in some way.
	12:51am Paul: Exactly
	12:53am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: It's an interesting question - as I think we should divert our resources towards dealing with substance problems Medically, not Legally. The latter doesn't enable Harm Reduction ...& factually that was never the Law's intent. But - Behavior & impact on others are certainly a related concern as well. Ideally - we have Laws & Mores relating to those already...
	12:53am Blissland: I've known alcoholics and junkies and I don't judge any of them. It's not my place. But neither do I put up with manipulative shit when it happens.
	12:54am misterdavid: I’m sorry if I upset people, I meant, alcoholics become deeply wounded FROM the alcohol experience. I’m not better, or worse. I want to be compassionate, I grew up with them. It takes a lot of strength to drink everyday, it takes a robust person.
	12:55am Blissland: I don't think anyone here is presuming to pass moral judgment on anyone. At least, I didn't hear that.
	🎙 12:55am Jherweg: Well there is lots of empirical evidence to suggest that alcoholism and drug addiction share many similarities with “diseases” I don’t know of many diseases where your choices are so internally tied to weather you are afflicted or not from the get go. I get the reason for the disease model, but it is entirely theoretical.. there is no actual proof that addiction is a disease : I would coin it more under the catagory of a mental disorder. But that’s neither here nor there. Wether or not one is genetically pre disposed to addiction, absolutely anyone who does enough heroin will be hopelessly addicted .. regardless. So it’s much more nuanced than the 1940 big book definition would have one believe .
	12:56am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Well - to say there is no Disease & you're simply Accountable implies a Moralism to me...
	12:57am Paul: Simply put yeah, obvi no one should tolerate abuse from an alcoholic or drug addict… but to be honest there has not been a better rehabilitation program than the dumb big book and AA which is always being revised anyway. If we knew of a better way we would take it. Who wants to be in meetings every day reading something from 1938. At the same time the pros outweigh the cons. You are like with anything, supposed to take what works and leave the rest.
	12:59am Blissland: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @12:56 I'm not getting that from what Jonathan is saying.
	12:59am Richy4619: love some lo-fi super slow'd down break beats
	12:59am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Paul @12:57 Things I have no insight about - how well AA does or does not work, on evidence. There's all the multifarious Rehabs...
	1:00am Blissland: My understanding is that he is trying to see it objectively.
	1:00am coelacanth∅: < Love that picture
	1:00am Blissland: Again though, can't speak for him.
	1:01am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Blissland @12:59 Well - maybe he's having cake (...just this once ...he can quit anytime...) & trying to eat it too. Saying in essence people should Just Say No ...& then adding verbiage to say it's nuanced... Well, which it is.
	1:03am Blissland: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @1:01 ok I hear that, but I still don't see how that implies a moralism i.e. value judgment.
	1:06am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Blissland @1:03 ...only in the sense that everything before the 'but' in a sentence hardly matters... But (<) I weary of the discussion.
	🎙 1:07am Jherweg: Yeah that’s all I’m doing is looking at it objectively . I’m not questioning the methods anyone uses as support or rehabilitation .
	1:09am Blissland: So when one is deeply in the throes of addiction it is unrealistic to consider it a choice that doesn't require tremendous effort to make. I think everyone can agree on that.
	1:11am coelacanth∅: some agreeing going on
	1:12am Paul: It’s May 1st. I’m going into this new month with a positive mindset. I hope everyone else does too. Have a good night.
	1:13am Blissland: ↳ Paul @1:12 pleasant dreams
	1:14am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: May Morpheus be kind.
	1:15am Blissland: I was wondering for a while what happened to Diane. I'm glad to find out she didn't die. Just moved to the other channel.
	1:16am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Song: "Untitled 1" by "Michel Henritzi" Bitchen track.
	1:17am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Blissland @1:15 I've finally set alarms on my Android to remind me of when to hop around all the streams. (Since it's so easy to do.)
	1:17am Marc15: Does sex addiction count? In my 40s, I dealt with a boyfriend’s infidelity with self destructive sex addiction
	1:17am coelacanth∅: ↳ Blissland @1:15 she was off the air for a few years though
	1:17am Blissland: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @1:17 That's a good idea. Though in the case of Diane she's on in the morning when I'm never awake.
	1:18am Blissland: ↳ coelacanth∅ @1:17 Oh I didn't know that. But somewhere in the back of my mind I was always missing her.
	1:19am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Blissland @1:17 There's always Archives. But they need a timeslot in your day too !
	1:19am Blissland: Jonathan you wanna take Marc15's question?
	1:20am Blissland: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @1:19 well I kind of want to be live with her.
	1:20am coelacanth∅: count for what? i think sex addiction is like comfort food. like grilled cheese sandwich addiction or cannabis addiction or shopping addiction... it's an escape.
	1:21am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Blissland @1:20 Yeah that makes it different as well. But I've finally got around to using Archives weekly for a couple Programs.
	1:21am Blissland: There could be a revenge component? But directed inward. Obviously I'm not a psychologist.
	1:22am Marc15: Not when it’s unprotected and could have led to a life threatening illness
	1:22am coelacanth∅: i think Diane's only been back for a month or so? maybe 2... i've only managed to catch it live once
	1:23am Blissland: ↳ Marc15 @1:22 Yeah there's name for that in psychology. Not sure exactly the term offhand.
	1:23am Marc15: Or, in my case, a suicide attempt
	🎙 1:23am Jherweg: Yes the 12 steps lump all compulsive behavior into the disease model, which I think is problematic as well. Sex and food are things that are necessities , where as drugs and alcohol are not . I think psychological disorders no matter what they are are as complex and as individual as the people who have them . We hall have different motivations or traumas that make our brains misfire.
	1:24am Blissland: People of a certain disposition will take anger and direct it inward, producing self-destructive behavior such as suicide.
	1:24am Marc15: That all happened more than 10 years ago, I am very comfortable talking about it
	1:25am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ coelacanth∅ @1:20 So much of hormonal, behavioral & psychological significance relating to sex. It's own territory altogether seems to me. Drugs probly a better comparison than grilled cheese ...but probly more primal than either one...
	1:25am Blissland: Jonathan if you knew me you wouldn't say that sex is a necessity.
	1:27am Blissland: It is for the species but not for the individual.
	1:28am Blissland: I never wanted to reproduce anyway, but I don't think that's the reason I don't get laid anymore.
	1:31am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Regarding Food - one is always presented with the model that we Evolved to ingest as much relatively scarce Fat & Sugar & Salt as we could acquire - but that wiring doesn't serve us in the present environment ...I think our situation with drugs & sex might benefit from being considered in such a model as well, in fact.
	1:32am coelacanth∅: i've been acquainted with a few 12-step zombies who aggressively accuse anyone who drinks alcohol as being an alcoholic. fail. and apparently the programmers can't see past themselves to accept that one can have a "drinking problem" without being an "alcoholic"...alcoholism being a physical addiction by definition. fail. ...but it certainly works for some and has saved lives. ... after trying 3-4 different aa groups my brother ultimately did not abstain. he was uncomfortable with the constant religion/god references.
	1:33am Blissland: I'm so fortunate to have always eaten whatever the hell I want and as much as I want, without ill effects. I attribute that mostly to genes.
	1:33am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...namely - our Deep History with psychoactive substances is under-recognized. What is Necesity to the Homo sapiens is (yet another) large topic...
	1:33am Marc15: Blidsland is correct about me. I attempted 3 times in my life.
	1:34am Marc15: Blissland**
	1:34am Blissland: ↳ coelacanth∅ @1:32 what happened to your brother?
	1:34am Richy4619: (ヘ･_･)ヘ┳━┳
	1:35am coelacanth∅: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @1:25 RR yes, all true but i think you see my point...the escapism aspect. i don't mean food but comfort food. and mentioned cannabis because it's probably not physically addictive.
	1:35am Blissland: ↳ Marc15 @1:34 I'm sorry that has happened to you. I've had such ideations for much of my life, due to relentless sorrow, and I regret that I never had the guts to act on it.
	1:35am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ coelacanth∅ @1:32 There are - for one thing - people who aren't compelled to drink on a regular schedule ...but when they Drink - it is a Problem. & I've considered them 'Problem Drinkers'...
	1:36am Blissland: I was a problem drinker until my dwi. When the judge told me a 2nd offense would be felony I ceased to be a problem drinker.
	1:38am coelacanth∅: Rabbit yes, that was me. i wasn't (and therefore am not) addicted to the substance; but if i went to the pub would keep drinking as long as i was there, because i was self-conscious about being there and NOT drinking.
	1:39am coelacanth∅: (so - a "drinking problem" that is not an addiction)
	1:39am Blissland: ↳ coelacanth∅ @1:38 Whenver I am out, to this day I really, really want to keep drinking, but I know I can't. All the fun ended in 2010.
	1:41am Blissland: I think it's time for a big group hug
	1:41am Marc15: Thank you
	1:42am fred: Hello Jonathan and all
	1:42am Blissland: Thanks Jonathan, this is all your fault. No just kidding.
	1:44am Blissland: Actually, it's a very good thing you started.
	1:45am coelacanth∅: ↳ Blissland @1:41 no. i'm addicted to misanthropy.
	1:45am Marc15: My solution to being cheated on by someone who I loved was to have random anonymous sexual encounters — a lot of them. It lasted for six years
	1:46am Blissland: ↳ coelacanth∅ @1:45 Well I certainly can't fault you for that. I'll have to read what you wrote again.
	1:47am Blissland: ↳ coelacanth∅ @1:45 Ohh, sorry, I missed the gag.
	1:47am coelacanth∅: there are several reasons people living a life of "random" anonymous sexual encounters is such a common thing, but it's not a physical thing. probably never.
	1:49am Blissland: I would only ever be monogamous. My ideal from teenage onward was to have one mate for life. Ironically I never had any very long term relationships. I guess I'm just too screwed up or weird or something.
	1:49am coelacanth∅: haha Blissland yeah i've only hugged i think 3-4 people in as many years; but i used to be a big hugger. (no less, a favorite hugger, by some people's estimation!)
	1:49am Marc15: It ended when my despair and depression took over and led me to my second attempt
	1:51am Blissland: covid 19 certainly did not help those of us who are already socially awkward.
	1:51am Marc15: I used to be a big hugger and then Covid happened
	1:51am Arvo: Howdy 🤠
	🎙 1:52am Jherweg: Hey Arvo !
	1:52am Marc15: Blissland is correct
	1:53am Blissland: Covid 19 and my dwi destroyed my social life. I'm only now at the very outset of possibly recovering something of it.
	1:53am coelacanth∅: when i visited wfmu in 2019 to drop off some office supplies and potentially volunteer, one of the only 4 people that didn't treat me like a leper was Matt Warwick - who could tell i was upset, as much as i tried to not let it show. he gave me a sweet big hug before i left.
	1:54am Blissland: ↳ coelacanth∅ @1:53 You mean late 2019?
	1:54am Marc15: I had no problem with social distancing. My psychologist told me that I invented social distancing
	1:54am Blissland: ↳ Marc15 @1:54 hehe
	1:55am coelacanth∅: october? ... maybe it was 2018. - bc, in any case.
	1:56am Blissland: There is so much to unpack and refute about the official covid-19 narrative, I'm not even going to start. Suffice to say I support RFK for president.
	1:57am Arvo: Hey I am late to the party but just wanna say, Bukowski hated Barfly mainly because of the quirkiness of Mickey Rourke. I personally enjoyed the film. However, I agree that I would have preferred a more nonchalant and quietly bitter rendition. Had it on VHS, same for "Tales of Ordinary Madness", which is probably offensive to just about everyone now, but at least translates to film fairly well.
	1:57am Blissland: Of course that's in large part just because he is a good and serious peron.
	🎙 1:59am Jherweg: I like Rourke’s weirdo performance . I kind of love that Bukowski hated the movie. Fay Dunaway is great in it too.
	1:59am coelacanth∅: i know very little about RFK, but if the election was today - yes, no question about it.
	2:00am Blissland: ↳ coelacanth∅ @1:59 Well he has a very different take on covid-19 compared to the official narrative. Is that what you meant by being treated as a "leper"?
	2:02am mr 6: Coel first off Greeting’s. Ok it’s a shame that anyone would shy away from recovery due to God concepts.Maybe I am lucky to have gotten God as Good orderly Direction .It’s a very big topic as groups know many many many of us reject religion and a god. We explain that whether we call it a higher power or a God the group is just that. Together we get sober. My higher power was always the AA group and a pot of coffee. Never was or is a religious type of God
	🎙 2:03am Jim the Poet: Jim the Poet sucks!!!!
	2:03am Blissland: ↳ Jim the Poet @2:03 agreed.
	🎙 2:04am Jim the Poet: ↳ Blissland @2:03 He's the worst!
	2:04am mr 6: In reference to the hugging topic, we had an AA group in our circuit that were very oddly suspect ( older men younger men) and we referred to the group as the Hug Rubs group
	2:05am Blissland: ↳ Jim the Poet @2:04 Are you upside down or is it the rest of us?
	2:05am mr 6: Poetic James is a liverwürst
	2:07am fred: Weird that I've never seen Joan Jett Fan Club
	2:07am Arvo: Garry Bradbury, recently deceased and early member of Severed Heads, has a track called "The Bisque was A Poem".
	2:09am Blissland: ↳ coelacanth∅ @1:53 I hope I didn't misunderstand.
	2:09am Arvo: I have never considered myself an alcoholic but I did go to AA meetings for group meditation. One of them was entirely trans folks early on, and I unwittingly attended as an incidental interloper of sorts.
	2:10am coelacanth∅: ↳ Blissland @2:00 haha, no! "BC"! just the typical prejudiced shit. ... but the official narrative is bullshit. trump's narrative is bullshit. biden's. obviously that piece of shit anthony fauci's. ...no shortage of lies. so i don't know what RFK's concepts are, but they can't be any more rooted in corruption, greed and selfishness than the official stories.
	2:11am Arvo: I used to close down the bar and put people under the table, for sure, but the core problem was insomnia.
	2:12am Blissland: ↳ coelacanth∅ @2:10 No you're right, RFK wrote a book called The Real Anthony Fauci, and another since then as a sort of follow up. You might want to look him up on youtube, he is a very sincere and good person, who has been fighting corruption for many decades, especially on the environmental front.
	2:13am coelacanth∅: ↳ Arvo @2:11 i can relate to that... and a socializing tool; and a very high tolerance.
	2:13am Arvo: Just since I am here, I will state that I have had long covid since January 2022, and for the first nine months, I really thought I was going to die. I was boosted and all that too. 30 million people with long covid. Just sweep em under the rug I guess.
	2:15am Blissland: Everyone I know who got a mrna shot got sick with covid. I only know 2 people who did not get a shot, myself and someone else, and neither of us got sick. But that is just the very tippy tip of the tip of a very sinister iceberg.
	2:16am Arvo: I know a couple anti vaxxers that got COVID. I also know that they used to say the vax didn't have any bit of the virus in it, but then they changed that narrative.
	2:17am coelacanth∅: ↳ mr 6 @2:02 hi. - 'funny thing is he had digested the bible (which none of his siblings had done) and his only meat intake was fish - he said because that's what Jesus did. (i'd become a vegetarian before then, at 16, for moral reasons) he believed in "God". ...and he said one meeting related to god in a way he appreciated, but it was too far away to go to regularly. so he tried 3-4 more before he gave up. they were all referencing "their" god.
	2:18am coelacanth∅: ↳ Blissland @2:12 oh i gotta check that out!
	2:18am Arvo: ↳ Song: "Holy Cobra Dub" by "THE THUGS" Well that was a friggin nice transition my dude 😎
	2:19am Blissland: People with immune problems will be succeptible to covid. I don't think the so-called vaccines i.e. mrna gene therapy did any good for public health, and I don't think any policy decisions were base on an interest in public health.
	🎙 2:20am Jherweg: Oh thanks Arvo, sometimes I worry that my playlists are too all over the place .
	2:20am fred: ↳ Jherweg @2:20 Is that a bad thing?
	2:21am coelacanth∅: nah herweg your segue's are always on point
	2:21am Arvo: No, I often worry that mine are too orderly. I would like to be more all over the place, but naval gazing too much ain't the way for me.
	🎙 2:22am Jherweg: Well I want things to flow in a pleasing way, sometimes abrupt juxtapositions can be jarring and I don’t like to shock people out of the music with sudden changes 😏
	2:23am Blissland: ↳ Jherweg @2:22 That hasn't happened to me tonight.
	2:24am Arvo: The idea is to make it seem coherent and thoughtful without seeming like you thought too hard about it. At least to me. I have thought about it way too much. You have a good sense of an abstract theme, whether it is predictable or not is for someone else to decide. I like variation.
	2:24am Blissland: ↳ Jherweg @2:22 Also please don't feel bad about starting the addiction debate, I thought it turned out to be very illuminating and cathartic.
	2:27am Arvo: It has been rather hard to stay out of that debate! I was certified as a hypnotherapist so I have a good amount of input that mixes psychology with ostensible woo woo for most people.
	2:27am Blissland: ↳ Arvo @2:27 woo woo?
	2:28am fred: ↳ Jherweg @2:22 Yet you are a WFMU DJ
	2:28am Arvo: Coo coo
	2:29am coelacanth∅: Blissland i got covid very bad in august off '21. 'would've killed most people,probably. i know why i got it and it had nothing to do with having a shot or not having a shot (it's not technically a vaccination; more of a genetic experiment actually) ...but i take responsibility for my sickness...something most americans refuse to do. i got sick because i screwed up too bad for too long.
	2:31am Arvo: Man I hope you get some kickbacks from those Gas people.
	2:32am Blissland: ↳ coelacanth∅ @2:29 I'm sorry to hear that. Certainly not everyone who is un-vaccinated will remain healthy. One factor is the state of one's natural immunity to begin with. But I agree completely, the vaccines are not vaccines in any traditional sense. I don't trust them, especially considering the motives of the people who are gaining at everyone else's expense.
	2:40am Arvo: What would Dracula do? 🤔
	2:41am Blissland: That reminds me of The Birthday Party
	2:41am Arvo: ↳ Song: "- a spell for the present moment (spell by adrien... This is a good comp!
	2:42am coelacanth∅: Blissland yeah i'd got a motorcycle and abruptly stopped a hearty bicycling lifestyle! that combined with acute financial stress + years of ceiling leaks in my apartment causing sleep deprivation...then there's the mold. . . then when covid happened i lost work entirely, because it was all house-calls. so, stress. i would've gotten sick, no matter what. the flu virus took the opportunity.
	2:43am Blissland: ↳ coelacanth∅ @2:42 That's a terrible confluence of developments. If mold was involved, sure that could be big.
	2:44am Blissland: ↳ coelacanth∅ @2:42 I wasn't going to ask.
	🎙 2:45am Jherweg: Thanks so much for tuning in everyone ! It was a fun and thought provoking show …
	2:45am Blissland: ↳ Jherweg @2:45 Thanks Jonathan. Excellent show.
	2:46am coelacanth∅: - but Thanks. and i don't trust it either. ...silly to trust the government. one would have to be living in a fantasy world.
	2:46am Arvo: I listen to your archives often, but rarely catch you in real time because I am always late. Always quality!
	2:48am Blissland: ↳ coelacanth∅ @2:46 They're not even making an effort anymore to disguise their utter stupidity and lack of interest in their constituents. At least in the congress. And the supreme court is fucked for the next few decades thanks to that last piece of shit in the white house.
	🎙 2:49am Jherweg: Let’s hope Trump doesn’t get re-elected . I don’t think the USA will survive 4 more years iof that madness .
	2:49am Blissland: A malignant narcissist and career criminal with no redeeming human qualities who should have been sentence to life in prison decades ago.
	2:50am Blissland: ↳ Jherweg @2:49 You are right Jonathan. But it will be hell either way. If he doesn't get elected all the magats will run ramant.
	2:51am mr 6: Politics on the board is where I step off
	2:51am coelacanth∅: i agree Jherweg. we are looking at civil war if he gets back in.
	2:51am Blissland: * rampant
	2:52am fred: ↳ Blissland @2:49 So he'll win in a landslide?
	2:52am Blissland: Well, there is politics and then there is basic human decency.
	2:52am Blissland: ↳ fred @2:52 I don't know Fred. I only know that it won't be good no matter what happens.
	2:53am coelacanth∅: i just don't understand how he wasn't unanimously despised over a decade before he even ran for president!
	🎙 2:53am Jherweg: It’s always the right wingers that don’t want to “talk politics” funny how that is …
	2:54am Blissland: I blame the Clintons and the dnc. If they had nominated Sanders I don't think we would ever have had the other guy.
	2:54am Arvo: A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush
	2:55am Blissland: ↳ Jherweg @2:53 Jonathan it's not even about politics anymore. It's right and wrong. Everyone must decide what side to be on.
	2:55am coelacanth∅: no, there's no right wing or left wing. most people who call themselves "left" or liberal are just a little "right of center" from what i can tell.
	2:57am Blissland: ↳ coelacanth∅ @2:55 The so-called liberal center has moved so far to the right since the 1970s that they are indistiguishable from neo-cons. The Clintons are the quintessential neo-liberals.
	2:58am coelacanth∅: Thanks Jonathan 'night y'all
	2:58am Blissland: Pleasant dreams.

Blurred and Obscured with Jonathan Herweg: Playlist from May 1, 2023

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An underground journey through the history of psychedelic rock, modern music, shimmering noise, free jazz, punk, funk, children's records played at the wrong speed, tape cut-up, static, the composition of decomposition, and subversive spoken word.

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Comments	Approx. start time
	Absolutely Real/Adult Entertainment/Transmission Begins				0:00:00 (Pop-up)
Mickey Rourke	Drunk Speech (Barfly)				0:01:10 (Pop-up)
Richard Burton	Booze Shame Rap "Booze Shame Rap" by "Richard Burton"			Excerpt from Dick Cavett Interview	0:01:11 (Pop-up)
AJOKKI	Memorandomy 9 "Memorandomy 9" by "AJOKKI"	Memorandomies			0:01:26 (Pop-up)
Ben Vida w/ Yarn/Wire and Nina Dante	Who's Haunting Who Here?	The Beat My Head Hit	Shelter Press		0:06:19 (Pop-up)
Monde UFO	Visions Of Fatima "Visions Of Fatima" by "Monde UFO"	Vandalized Statue To Be Replaced With A Shrine	Quindi Records		0:12:19 (Pop-up)
Speedbooth	Above The Shops "Above The Shops" by "Speedbooth"	Labyrinth of Memories	Kashual Plastik		0:16:59 (Pop-up)
Bardo Pond	New Drunks "New Drunks" by "Bardo Pond"	Split 7''	Che		0:19:03 (Pop-up)
Nadja	Venus In Gemini "Venus In Gemini" by "Nadja"	Venus Gemeni	Self Released		0:24:35 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Gas	Gas 1 "Gas 1" by "Gas"	Nah Und Fern	Kompakt		0:28:09 (Pop-up)
Lau Nau	Ostracoda "Ostracoda" by "Lau Nau"	5 x 4	Fonal Records		0:36:10 (Pop-up)
Tolerance	Osteo-Tony "Osteo-Tony" by "Tolerance"	Anomyn			0:42:05 (Pop-up)
Toshinori Kondo - Massimo Pupillo - Tony Buck	Eternal Triangle IV	Eternal Triangle	i dischi di angelica		0:46:02 (Pop-up)
Sam Weinberg Trio w/ Chris Lightcap & Tom Rainey	Any Time A Pile	Implicatures			0:50:32 (Pop-up)
Heta Bilaletdin	Varjoi "Varjoi" by "Heta Bilaletdin"	Nauhoi	Kraak		0:54:21 (Pop-up)
Ale Hop & Laura Robles	Son de los diablos	Agua Dulce	Buh Records		0:56:24 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Gas	Gas 1 "Gas 1" by "Gas"	Nah Und Fen			0:59:44 (Pop-up)
Michel Henritzi	Untitled 1 "Untitled 1" by "Michel Henritzi"	Here Lies			1:05:39 (Pop-up)
Aidan Baker	Grounded Hogs "Grounded Hogs" by "Aidan Baker"	VA-Spectrum	Cruel Nature Records	100% profits will be donated to The Toby Henderson Trust (www.ttht.co.uk), an independently funded charity in North East England which supports autistic youth and adults, as well as their families and caregivers.	1:17:40 (Pop-up)
Dali Muru & The Polyphonic Swarm	Swaddledidaf	Dali Muru & The Polyphonic Swarm	Stroom		1:21:13 (Pop-up)
Zonderwerk	Monoloog 2+ "Monoloog 2+" by "Zonderwerk"	Babel			1:23:42 (Pop-up)
Kyle Bruckmann	Paroxysm E "Paroxysm E" by "Kyle Bruckmann"	Usage	Already Dead Tapes		1:28:30 (Pop-up)
Amelia Tabei	L'or "L'or" by "Amelia Tabei"	Brucia La Neve			1:29:25 (Pop-up)
Clara Engel	Nothing Here Is Mine "Nothing Here Is Mine" by "Clara Engel"	VA-Spectrum	Cruel Nature Records		1:41:09 (Pop-up)
Tacoma Park	Circles As A Path As A Valley	Tacoma Park			1:45:57 (Pop-up)
Zeno van den Broek	Interlude 2 "Interlude 2" by "Zeno van den Broek"	Breach			1:54:07 (Pop-up)
Jan Jelinek	Do Dekor "Do Dekor" by "Jan Jelinek"	Loop Finding Jazz Records			1:56:16 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Gas	Gas 1 "Gas 1" by "Gas"	Nah Und Fen			2:01:54 (Pop-up)
Joan Jett Fan Club	Diwali "Diwali" by "Joan Jett Fan Club"	Tribute	Scum Yr Earth		2:05:29 (Pop-up)
THE THUGS	Holy Cobra Dub "Holy Cobra Dub" by "THE THUGS"	Holy Cobra Dub	Love Boat Records & Buttons		2:16:02 (Pop-up)
People Skills	Blight "Blight" by "People Skills"	"Former January Ending Through 52 Weeks"	Sophomore Lounge		2:18:52 (Pop-up)
Max de Wardener	Blueshift "Blueshift" by "Max de Wardener"	Music For Detuned Pianos			2:23:22 (Pop-up)
Missing Organs	To The Headland "To The Headland" by "Missing Organs"	Old Speakers			2:26:36 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Gas	Gas 1 "Gas 1" by "Gas"	Nah Und Fern			2:34:21 (Pop-up)
Ken Ikeda	Hearsay "Hearsay" by "Ken Ikeda"	Sparse Memory			2:34:23 (Pop-up)
Beverly Glenn-Copeland	- a spell for the present moment (spell by adrienne maree brown)	VA-Incantations			2:40:57 (Pop-up)
Narwal	Track 1 "Track 1" by "Narwal"	Nirvana			2:42:14 (Pop-up)
You Can Can	Can Can "Can Can" by "You Can Can"	You Can Can			2:49:29 (Pop-up)
Droneroom	Blood Goes Warm "Blood Goes Warm" by "Droneroom"	Rusted Lung			2:51:12 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	🎙 12:03am Aitch: Hello obscuritors
	🎙 12:04am Aitch: and those who've heard about the blurred
	🎙 12:05am Jherweg: The “Blurred Herd”
	12:09am T GRavel: feeling blurry ... and haunted
	12:09am Blissland: greetings
	12:09am Blissland: I like that Richard Burton excerpt.
	🎙 12:10am Jherweg: Yeah it’s a good one !!
	12:11am northguineahills: oh, cool, ben vida...
	12:13am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: 🐇RABBIT 🐇RABBIT 🐇RABBIT
	12:15am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: 🌿💐Joyeux Beltane💐🌿
	12:16am northguineahills: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @12:15 now, that's what i'm talking about!
	🎙 12:16am Ken From Hyde Park: Pictured: back wall of the WFMU break room fridge. Hello!
	🎙 12:17am Ike: Meow!
	12:22am Richy4619: rabbit rabbit y'all. i know a bardo song the second i hear one.
	12:31am Blissland: Elevated cortisol is a really bad thing.
	12:33am Blissland: I've known bad alcoholics and I wouldn't accept the "disease" cop out.
	12:34am misterdavid: Thank you for your thoughts. I never met long term alcoholic who wasn’t deeply wounded and often deeply wounding.
	12:35am Blissland: ↳ misterdavid @12:34 agreed
	12:36am mr 6: The disease reference is misunderstood by you sir. The statement “It’s my disease speaking “ is also misunderstood. The 12 steps of AA make us responsible for our own actions.
	12:37am Paul: As an alchoholic, who’s in the program, it’s thought of more as a Dis Ease. As in, I am not at ease, I am in spiritual strife with myself and the world around me. Also AA is all about taking accountability for your actions and making amends for them where possible, so I feel like who ever is using the disease model as a cop out isn’t actually working the program.
	12:38am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Hm. Well - physical addiction is a distinct condition clearly. So that depends on the definition of disease. The psychology of substance abuse in relation to a definition of disease - no simple matter to consider...
	12:39am Marc15: When I turned 50, my doctor gave me a booklet of all of the ailments I can get
	12:39am Blissland: The people I've know have not tried to use that as a cop out with me, but if they did I wouldn't accept it. That's what I meant.
	12:39am Blissland: I can't speak for Jonathan.
	12:40am Paul: I haven’t met anyone in general who isn’t deeply wounded, so to pidgeon hole alchoholics as the only ones is a bad generalization to make. At least they are trying to work on themselves. It’s stigmas like these that just further pull people apart and cast stones to make oneself feel better or superior.
	🎙 12:40am Jherweg: I mean we can get in a debate about “the disease model” I think it’s an interesting topic. I’ve had plenty of friends and family who have been deeply affected by drugs and alcohol so it’s something I’ve thought tons about , but I doubt I could articulate everything I’ve thought about it over the years here . I think the disease model is flawed . All thought it does share similarities with being genetically pre disposed to disease . I’m deeply wounded .
	12:41am Blissland: Back up, no one is saying that.
	12:41am Kiki: greetings just tuned in! sounds good!💞📻🎵🎼🎙🎛🎚🎧
	12:41am Paul: If you think you aren’t wounded or better than me for being “normal” or “not an alchoholic” hooray for you.
	12:41am Paul: Mic drop.
	12:41am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: It's an important question - because I think the way to Harm Reduction is to consider addiction & substance problems Medically - not so much Legally ...& in social terms - considering it Morally is smack in the middle of the path to those...
	12:42am Blissland: ↳ Paul @12:41 I don't think anyone is implying anything like that.
	🎙 12:42am Jherweg: I do think that people reach a point in any sort of compulsive or addictive behavior that abstinence is an absolute must , so I agree with that…
	12:45am Blissland: I will not accept the idea that one should put up with unlimited abuse, belligerence, and violence from anyone regardless of their condition.
	12:45am bill hanke: I need a beer and bong hit
	12:45am Blissland: ↳ bill hanke @12:45 hehe
	12:45am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: As for an attitude of 'you should just know better' - this presumes many things about our society & about human behavior alike. It is also true that the first victims of Prohibition are usually Truth & ready access to the Facts... Otoh - everybody knows the deal with which drugs are addictive & threaten overdose & the rest, pretty much it seems ?...
	12:46am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Blissland @12:45 Well - you have Rights too.
	12:46am mr 6: JHerweg the AA concept is spiritual Mental and Physical. The facts of disease are a medically proven fact with references to addiction and mental illness. Yes it can be genetic. My known family had several addicts and alcoholics. Does it prove anything? No yet it helps those of us in recovery understand why we must surrender in order to move forward today.
	12:48am Paul: Yeah neither would I I don’t think being an alchoholic or a drug addict is a get out of jail free card, I’m responding to the deeply wounded comment - the dis ease / disease thing is a grey area in general
	12:51am Blissland: I am seriously wounded beyond repair and I don't know anyone who has not been screwed by the world in some way.
	12:51am Paul: Exactly
	12:53am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: It's an interesting question - as I think we should divert our resources towards dealing with substance problems Medically, not Legally. The latter doesn't enable Harm Reduction ...& factually that was never the Law's intent. But - Behavior & impact on others are certainly a related concern as well. Ideally - we have Laws & Mores relating to those already...
	12:53am Blissland: I've known alcoholics and junkies and I don't judge any of them. It's not my place. But neither do I put up with manipulative shit when it happens.
	12:54am misterdavid: I’m sorry if I upset people, I meant, alcoholics become deeply wounded FROM the alcohol experience. I’m not better, or worse. I want to be compassionate, I grew up with them. It takes a lot of strength to drink everyday, it takes a robust person.
	12:55am Blissland: I don't think anyone here is presuming to pass moral judgment on anyone. At least, I didn't hear that.
	🎙 12:55am Jherweg: Well there is lots of empirical evidence to suggest that alcoholism and drug addiction share many similarities with “diseases” I don’t know of many diseases where your choices are so internally tied to weather you are afflicted or not from the get go. I get the reason for the disease model, but it is entirely theoretical.. there is no actual proof that addiction is a disease : I would coin it more under the catagory of a mental disorder. But that’s neither here nor there. Wether or not one is genetically pre disposed to addiction, absolutely anyone who does enough heroin will be hopelessly addicted .. regardless. So it’s much more nuanced than the 1940 big book definition would have one believe .
	12:56am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Well - to say there is no Disease & you're simply Accountable implies a Moralism to me...
	12:57am Paul: Simply put yeah, obvi no one should tolerate abuse from an alcoholic or drug addict… but to be honest there has not been a better rehabilitation program than the dumb big book and AA which is always being revised anyway. If we knew of a better way we would take it. Who wants to be in meetings every day reading something from 1938. At the same time the pros outweigh the cons. You are like with anything, supposed to take what works and leave the rest.
	12:59am Blissland: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @12:56 I'm not getting that from what Jonathan is saying.
	12:59am Richy4619: love some lo-fi super slow'd down break beats
	12:59am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Paul @12:57 Things I have no insight about - how well AA does or does not work, on evidence. There's all the multifarious Rehabs...
	1:00am Blissland: My understanding is that he is trying to see it objectively.
	1:00am coelacanth∅: < Love that picture
	1:00am Blissland: Again though, can't speak for him.
	1:01am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Blissland @12:59 Well - maybe he's having cake (...just this once ...he can quit anytime...) & trying to eat it too. Saying in essence people should Just Say No ...& then adding verbiage to say it's nuanced... Well, which it is.
	1:03am Blissland: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @1:01 ok I hear that, but I still don't see how that implies a moralism i.e. value judgment.
	1:06am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Blissland @1:03 ...only in the sense that everything before the 'but' in a sentence hardly matters... But (<) I weary of the discussion.
	🎙 1:07am Jherweg: Yeah that’s all I’m doing is looking at it objectively . I’m not questioning the methods anyone uses as support or rehabilitation .
	1:09am Blissland: So when one is deeply in the throes of addiction it is unrealistic to consider it a choice that doesn't require tremendous effort to make. I think everyone can agree on that.
	1:11am coelacanth∅: some agreeing going on
	1:12am Paul: It’s May 1st. I’m going into this new month with a positive mindset. I hope everyone else does too. Have a good night.
	1:13am Blissland: ↳ Paul @1:12 pleasant dreams
	1:14am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: May Morpheus be kind.
	1:15am Blissland: I was wondering for a while what happened to Diane. I'm glad to find out she didn't die. Just moved to the other channel.
	1:16am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Song: "Untitled 1" by "Michel Henritzi" Bitchen track.
	1:17am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Blissland @1:15 I've finally set alarms on my Android to remind me of when to hop around all the streams. (Since it's so easy to do.)
	1:17am Marc15: Does sex addiction count? In my 40s, I dealt with a boyfriend’s infidelity with self destructive sex addiction
	1:17am coelacanth∅: ↳ Blissland @1:15 she was off the air for a few years though
	1:17am Blissland: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @1:17 That's a good idea. Though in the case of Diane she's on in the morning when I'm never awake.
	1:18am Blissland: ↳ coelacanth∅ @1:17 Oh I didn't know that. But somewhere in the back of my mind I was always missing her.
	1:19am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Blissland @1:17 There's always Archives. But they need a timeslot in your day too !
	1:19am Blissland: Jonathan you wanna take Marc15's question?
	1:20am Blissland: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @1:19 well I kind of want to be live with her.
	1:20am coelacanth∅: count for what? i think sex addiction is like comfort food. like grilled cheese sandwich addiction or cannabis addiction or shopping addiction... it's an escape.
	1:21am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Blissland @1:20 Yeah that makes it different as well. But I've finally got around to using Archives weekly for a couple Programs.
	1:21am Blissland: There could be a revenge component? But directed inward. Obviously I'm not a psychologist.
	1:22am Marc15: Not when it’s unprotected and could have led to a life threatening illness
	1:22am coelacanth∅: i think Diane's only been back for a month or so? maybe 2... i've only managed to catch it live once
	1:23am Blissland: ↳ Marc15 @1:22 Yeah there's name for that in psychology. Not sure exactly the term offhand.
	1:23am Marc15: Or, in my case, a suicide attempt
	🎙 1:23am Jherweg: Yes the 12 steps lump all compulsive behavior into the disease model, which I think is problematic as well. Sex and food are things that are necessities , where as drugs and alcohol are not . I think psychological disorders no matter what they are are as complex and as individual as the people who have them . We hall have different motivations or traumas that make our brains misfire.
	1:24am Blissland: People of a certain disposition will take anger and direct it inward, producing self-destructive behavior such as suicide.
	1:24am Marc15: That all happened more than 10 years ago, I am very comfortable talking about it
	1:25am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ coelacanth∅ @1:20 So much of hormonal, behavioral & psychological significance relating to sex. It's own territory altogether seems to me. Drugs probly a better comparison than grilled cheese ...but probly more primal than either one...
	1:25am Blissland: Jonathan if you knew me you wouldn't say that sex is a necessity.
	1:27am Blissland: It is for the species but not for the individual.
	1:28am Blissland: I never wanted to reproduce anyway, but I don't think that's the reason I don't get laid anymore.
	1:31am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Regarding Food - one is always presented with the model that we Evolved to ingest as much relatively scarce Fat & Sugar & Salt as we could acquire - but that wiring doesn't serve us in the present environment ...I think our situation with drugs & sex might benefit from being considered in such a model as well, in fact.
	1:32am coelacanth∅: i've been acquainted with a few 12-step zombies who aggressively accuse anyone who drinks alcohol as being an alcoholic. fail. and apparently the programmers can't see past themselves to accept that one can have a "drinking problem" without being an "alcoholic"...alcoholism being a physical addiction by definition. fail. ...but it certainly works for some and has saved lives. ... after trying 3-4 different aa groups my brother ultimately did not abstain. he was uncomfortable with the constant religion/god references.
	1:33am Blissland: I'm so fortunate to have always eaten whatever the hell I want and as much as I want, without ill effects. I attribute that mostly to genes.
	1:33am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...namely - our Deep History with psychoactive substances is under-recognized. What is Necesity to the Homo sapiens is (yet another) large topic...
	1:33am Marc15: Blidsland is correct about me. I attempted 3 times in my life.
	1:34am Marc15: Blissland**
	1:34am Blissland: ↳ coelacanth∅ @1:32 what happened to your brother?
	1:34am Richy4619: (ヘ･_･)ヘ┳━┳
	1:35am coelacanth∅: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @1:25 RR yes, all true but i think you see my point...the escapism aspect. i don't mean food but comfort food. and mentioned cannabis because it's probably not physically addictive.
	1:35am Blissland: ↳ Marc15 @1:34 I'm sorry that has happened to you. I've had such ideations for much of my life, due to relentless sorrow, and I regret that I never had the guts to act on it.
	1:35am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ coelacanth∅ @1:32 There are - for one thing - people who aren't compelled to drink on a regular schedule ...but when they Drink - it is a Problem. & I've considered them 'Problem Drinkers'...
	1:36am Blissland: I was a problem drinker until my dwi. When the judge told me a 2nd offense would be felony I ceased to be a problem drinker.
	1:38am coelacanth∅: Rabbit yes, that was me. i wasn't (and therefore am not) addicted to the substance; but if i went to the pub would keep drinking as long as i was there, because i was self-conscious about being there and NOT drinking.
	1:39am coelacanth∅: (so - a "drinking problem" that is not an addiction)
	1:39am Blissland: ↳ coelacanth∅ @1:38 Whenver I am out, to this day I really, really want to keep drinking, but I know I can't. All the fun ended in 2010.
	1:41am Blissland: I think it's time for a big group hug
	1:41am Marc15: Thank you
	1:42am fred: Hello Jonathan and all
	1:42am Blissland: Thanks Jonathan, this is all your fault. No just kidding.
	1:44am Blissland: Actually, it's a very good thing you started.
	1:45am coelacanth∅: ↳ Blissland @1:41 no. i'm addicted to misanthropy.
	1:45am Marc15: My solution to being cheated on by someone who I loved was to have random anonymous sexual encounters — a lot of them. It lasted for six years
	1:46am Blissland: ↳ coelacanth∅ @1:45 Well I certainly can't fault you for that. I'll have to read what you wrote again.
	1:47am Blissland: ↳ coelacanth∅ @1:45 Ohh, sorry, I missed the gag.
	1:47am coelacanth∅: there are several reasons people living a life of "random" anonymous sexual encounters is such a common thing, but it's not a physical thing. probably never.
	1:49am Blissland: I would only ever be monogamous. My ideal from teenage onward was to have one mate for life. Ironically I never had any very long term relationships. I guess I'm just too screwed up or weird or something.
	1:49am coelacanth∅: haha Blissland yeah i've only hugged i think 3-4 people in as many years; but i used to be a big hugger. (no less, a favorite hugger, by some people's estimation!)
	1:49am Marc15: It ended when my despair and depression took over and led me to my second attempt
	1:51am Blissland: covid 19 certainly did not help those of us who are already socially awkward.
	1:51am Marc15: I used to be a big hugger and then Covid happened
	1:51am Arvo: Howdy 🤠
	🎙 1:52am Jherweg: Hey Arvo !
	1:52am Marc15: Blissland is correct
	1:53am Blissland: Covid 19 and my dwi destroyed my social life. I'm only now at the very outset of possibly recovering something of it.
	1:53am coelacanth∅: when i visited wfmu in 2019 to drop off some office supplies and potentially volunteer, one of the only 4 people that didn't treat me like a leper was Matt Warwick - who could tell i was upset, as much as i tried to not let it show. he gave me a sweet big hug before i left.
	1:54am Blissland: ↳ coelacanth∅ @1:53 You mean late 2019?
	1:54am Marc15: I had no problem with social distancing. My psychologist told me that I invented social distancing
	1:54am Blissland: ↳ Marc15 @1:54 hehe
	1:55am coelacanth∅: october? ... maybe it was 2018. - bc, in any case.
	1:56am Blissland: There is so much to unpack and refute about the official covid-19 narrative, I'm not even going to start. Suffice to say I support RFK for president.
	1:57am Arvo: Hey I am late to the party but just wanna say, Bukowski hated Barfly mainly because of the quirkiness of Mickey Rourke. I personally enjoyed the film. However, I agree that I would have preferred a more nonchalant and quietly bitter rendition. Had it on VHS, same for "Tales of Ordinary Madness", which is probably offensive to just about everyone now, but at least translates to film fairly well.
	1:57am Blissland: Of course that's in large part just because he is a good and serious peron.
	🎙 1:59am Jherweg: I like Rourke’s weirdo performance . I kind of love that Bukowski hated the movie. Fay Dunaway is great in it too.
	1:59am coelacanth∅: i know very little about RFK, but if the election was today - yes, no question about it.
	2:00am Blissland: ↳ coelacanth∅ @1:59 Well he has a very different take on covid-19 compared to the official narrative. Is that what you meant by being treated as a "leper"?
	2:02am mr 6: Coel first off Greeting’s. Ok it’s a shame that anyone would shy away from recovery due to God concepts.Maybe I am lucky to have gotten God as Good orderly Direction .It’s a very big topic as groups know many many many of us reject religion and a god. We explain that whether we call it a higher power or a God the group is just that. Together we get sober. My higher power was always the AA group and a pot of coffee. Never was or is a religious type of God
	🎙 2:03am Jim the Poet: Jim the Poet sucks!!!!
	2:03am Blissland: ↳ Jim the Poet @2:03 agreed.
	🎙 2:04am Jim the Poet: ↳ Blissland @2:03 He's the worst!
	2:04am mr 6: In reference to the hugging topic, we had an AA group in our circuit that were very oddly suspect ( older men younger men) and we referred to the group as the Hug Rubs group
	2:05am Blissland: ↳ Jim the Poet @2:04 Are you upside down or is it the rest of us?
	2:05am mr 6: Poetic James is a liverwürst
	2:07am fred: Weird that I've never seen Joan Jett Fan Club
	2:07am Arvo: Garry Bradbury, recently deceased and early member of Severed Heads, has a track called "The Bisque was A Poem".
	2:09am Blissland: ↳ coelacanth∅ @1:53 I hope I didn't misunderstand.
	2:09am Arvo: I have never considered myself an alcoholic but I did go to AA meetings for group meditation. One of them was entirely trans folks early on, and I unwittingly attended as an incidental interloper of sorts.
	2:10am coelacanth∅: ↳ Blissland @2:00 haha, no! "BC"! just the typical prejudiced shit. ... but the official narrative is bullshit. trump's narrative is bullshit. biden's. obviously that piece of shit anthony fauci's. ...no shortage of lies. so i don't know what RFK's concepts are, but they can't be any more rooted in corruption, greed and selfishness than the official stories.
	2:11am Arvo: I used to close down the bar and put people under the table, for sure, but the core problem was insomnia.
	2:12am Blissland: ↳ coelacanth∅ @2:10 No you're right, RFK wrote a book called The Real Anthony Fauci, and another since then as a sort of follow up. You might want to look him up on youtube, he is a very sincere and good person, who has been fighting corruption for many decades, especially on the environmental front.
	2:13am coelacanth∅: ↳ Arvo @2:11 i can relate to that... and a socializing tool; and a very high tolerance.
	2:13am Arvo: Just since I am here, I will state that I have had long covid since January 2022, and for the first nine months, I really thought I was going to die. I was boosted and all that too. 30 million people with long covid. Just sweep em under the rug I guess.
	2:15am Blissland: Everyone I know who got a mrna shot got sick with covid. I only know 2 people who did not get a shot, myself and someone else, and neither of us got sick. But that is just the very tippy tip of the tip of a very sinister iceberg.
	2:16am Arvo: I know a couple anti vaxxers that got COVID. I also know that they used to say the vax didn't have any bit of the virus in it, but then they changed that narrative.
	2:17am coelacanth∅: ↳ mr 6 @2:02 hi. - 'funny thing is he had digested the bible (which none of his siblings had done) and his only meat intake was fish - he said because that's what Jesus did. (i'd become a vegetarian before then, at 16, for moral reasons) he believed in "God". ...and he said one meeting related to god in a way he appreciated, but it was too far away to go to regularly. so he tried 3-4 more before he gave up. they were all referencing "their" god.
	2:18am coelacanth∅: ↳ Blissland @2:12 oh i gotta check that out!
	2:18am Arvo: ↳ Song: "Holy Cobra Dub" by "THE THUGS" Well that was a friggin nice transition my dude 😎
	2:19am Blissland: People with immune problems will be succeptible to covid. I don't think the so-called vaccines i.e. mrna gene therapy did any good for public health, and I don't think any policy decisions were base on an interest in public health.
	🎙 2:20am Jherweg: Oh thanks Arvo, sometimes I worry that my playlists are too all over the place .
	2:20am fred: ↳ Jherweg @2:20 Is that a bad thing?
	2:21am coelacanth∅: nah herweg your segue's are always on point
	2:21am Arvo: No, I often worry that mine are too orderly. I would like to be more all over the place, but naval gazing too much ain't the way for me.
	🎙 2:22am Jherweg: Well I want things to flow in a pleasing way, sometimes abrupt juxtapositions can be jarring and I don’t like to shock people out of the music with sudden changes 😏
	2:23am Blissland: ↳ Jherweg @2:22 That hasn't happened to me tonight.
	2:24am Arvo: The idea is to make it seem coherent and thoughtful without seeming like you thought too hard about it. At least to me. I have thought about it way too much. You have a good sense of an abstract theme, whether it is predictable or not is for someone else to decide. I like variation.
	2:24am Blissland: ↳ Jherweg @2:22 Also please don't feel bad about starting the addiction debate, I thought it turned out to be very illuminating and cathartic.
	2:27am Arvo: It has been rather hard to stay out of that debate! I was certified as a hypnotherapist so I have a good amount of input that mixes psychology with ostensible woo woo for most people.
	2:27am Blissland: ↳ Arvo @2:27 woo woo?
	2:28am fred: ↳ Jherweg @2:22 Yet you are a WFMU DJ
	2:28am Arvo: Coo coo
	2:29am coelacanth∅: Blissland i got covid very bad in august off '21. 'would've killed most people,probably. i know why i got it and it had nothing to do with having a shot or not having a shot (it's not technically a vaccination; more of a genetic experiment actually) ...but i take responsibility for my sickness...something most americans refuse to do. i got sick because i screwed up too bad for too long.
	2:31am Arvo: Man I hope you get some kickbacks from those Gas people.
	2:32am Blissland: ↳ coelacanth∅ @2:29 I'm sorry to hear that. Certainly not everyone who is un-vaccinated will remain healthy. One factor is the state of one's natural immunity to begin with. But I agree completely, the vaccines are not vaccines in any traditional sense. I don't trust them, especially considering the motives of the people who are gaining at everyone else's expense.
	2:40am Arvo: What would Dracula do? 🤔
	2:41am Blissland: That reminds me of The Birthday Party
	2:41am Arvo: ↳ Song: "- a spell for the present moment (spell by adrien... This is a good comp!
	2:42am coelacanth∅: Blissland yeah i'd got a motorcycle and abruptly stopped a hearty bicycling lifestyle! that combined with acute financial stress + years of ceiling leaks in my apartment causing sleep deprivation...then there's the mold. . . then when covid happened i lost work entirely, because it was all house-calls. so, stress. i would've gotten sick, no matter what. the flu virus took the opportunity.
	2:43am Blissland: ↳ coelacanth∅ @2:42 That's a terrible confluence of developments. If mold was involved, sure that could be big.
	2:44am Blissland: ↳ coelacanth∅ @2:42 I wasn't going to ask.
	🎙 2:45am Jherweg: Thanks so much for tuning in everyone ! It was a fun and thought provoking show …
	2:45am Blissland: ↳ Jherweg @2:45 Thanks Jonathan. Excellent show.
	2:46am coelacanth∅: - but Thanks. and i don't trust it either. ...silly to trust the government. one would have to be living in a fantasy world.
	2:46am Arvo: I listen to your archives often, but rarely catch you in real time because I am always late. Always quality!
	2:48am Blissland: ↳ coelacanth∅ @2:46 They're not even making an effort anymore to disguise their utter stupidity and lack of interest in their constituents. At least in the congress. And the supreme court is fucked for the next few decades thanks to that last piece of shit in the white house.
	🎙 2:49am Jherweg: Let’s hope Trump doesn’t get re-elected . I don’t think the USA will survive 4 more years iof that madness .
	2:49am Blissland: A malignant narcissist and career criminal with no redeeming human qualities who should have been sentence to life in prison decades ago.
	2:50am Blissland: ↳ Jherweg @2:49 You are right Jonathan. But it will be hell either way. If he doesn't get elected all the magats will run ramant.
	2:51am mr 6: Politics on the board is where I step off
	2:51am coelacanth∅: i agree Jherweg. we are looking at civil war if he gets back in.
	2:51am Blissland: * rampant
	2:52am fred: ↳ Blissland @2:49 So he'll win in a landslide?
	2:52am Blissland: Well, there is politics and then there is basic human decency.
	2:52am Blissland: ↳ fred @2:52 I don't know Fred. I only know that it won't be good no matter what happens.
	2:53am coelacanth∅: i just don't understand how he wasn't unanimously despised over a decade before he even ran for president!
	🎙 2:53am Jherweg: It’s always the right wingers that don’t want to “talk politics” funny how that is …
	2:54am Blissland: I blame the Clintons and the dnc. If they had nominated Sanders I don't think we would ever have had the other guy.
	2:54am Arvo: A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush
	2:55am Blissland: ↳ Jherweg @2:53 Jonathan it's not even about politics anymore. It's right and wrong. Everyone must decide what side to be on.
	2:55am coelacanth∅: no, there's no right wing or left wing. most people who call themselves "left" or liberal are just a little "right of center" from what i can tell.
	2:57am Blissland: ↳ coelacanth∅ @2:55 The so-called liberal center has moved so far to the right since the 1970s that they are indistiguishable from neo-cons. The Clintons are the quintessential neo-liberals.
	2:58am coelacanth∅: Thanks Jonathan 'night y'all
	2:58am Blissland: Pleasant dreams.

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