WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from June 5, 2023

Listener comments!
	🤖 6:01pm Bas NL: Hi Mark & comments panel!
	6:02pm Ciggy: I thought it was gonna be SMK
	6:02pm Bobby: Guest host, guest comments
	6:02pm chris in the redwoods: hey, Ken, Bas, Ciggy, Bobby, all!
	🤖 6:03pm David (in London): Evening Mark and all Technoids.
	6:03pm Bobby: hi chris!
	6:03pm chresti: Hi Ken and techtoniacs !
	🤖 6:03pm Bas NL: Oww, hi Ken!
	6:03pm Bob Barth: Good evening folks!
	6:05pm Ike: So, wait, they're going to nuke the entirety of Ohio from orbit? It's the only way to be sure?
	6:06pm The Butterman: Serious SMK tonight. I don’t like it one bit. I like the Wednesday morning, irreverent Ken. Just kidding. It’s like another version of the state of the station Ken. Love that Ken.
	🤖 6:06pm Wendy del Formaggio: I'd love to offer bad data about myself! That sounds like fun.
	🤖 6:06pm Wendy del Formaggio: Hi Butterman!
	6:07pm Ike: Re: offering bad data about myself: oh good, I'm already doing that. I regularly claim to be a lumberjack.
	6:07pm Bobby: This interview is already scaring the shit out of me
	6:07pm The Butterman: ↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:06 Hi Wendy.
	🤖 6:07pm Will thee Sound Guy: Hi Staysh and all!!!
	6:07pm ?: ↳ Ike @6:07 then you're OK
	🤖 6:08pm Bas NL: Don't forget to sign the petition for the 6 month pause on AI.. futureoflife.org...
	6:08pm chris in the redwoods: ↳ @6:07 he sleeps all night and works all day
	🤖 6:08pm David (in London): Boinks, it was SMK all along...
	6:09pm -жеи: Evening everybody!
	6:10pm Listener Robert: Evening, Field Marshal Ken!
	6:11pm -жеи: ↳ Listener Robert @6:10 Robert, thanks for the call to SSD last Wednesday. You sound great with your voice pitched down 5 octaves
	6:14pm Listener Robert: ↳ -жеи @6:11 Ach, you recognized me!
	🤖 6:17pm Wendy del Formaggio: It sounds like a real-life "Frankenstein" story.
	6:22pm Fredericks: Technology runs out of control; meaning dissolves, until we quit using it.
	6:22pm Listener Robert: Other thrilling NDA-requiring projects have included being part of a team coming up with a faster, cheaper way to purify plastic pellets, and stability testing of a body-building supplement -- not GHB, I worked on that with someone else.
	6:24pm iiibeat: Certain types of information have to have control mechanisms attached. If not, objectives can be lost. Without a doubt.
	6:24pm joe mulligan: ↳ Fredericks @6:22 hopefully web 3.0 tools and conveniences will be useful enough and not as damaging as social media so that we end up slowly using social media less and less until it becomes irrelevant.
	6:24pm Fredericks: I'm 102!
	6:25pm iiibeat: "Non governmental" . . Says who?? lol
	6:26pm dale: i'm self-polluting already.
	6:26pm swivs: The internet wouldn't be so bad if there weren't so many people on it
	6:28pm joe mulligan: ↳ swivs @6:26 ha!!
	6:28pm iiibeat: ↳ swivs @6:26 It could also be worse without so many people in it. I would quit, if I didn't have such a deeeeep addiction.
	6:29pm -жеи: ↳ swivs @6:26 It's true! The internet was such a great place in 1994, before everybody and their grandpa was all over it.
	6:32pm chris in the redwoods: ↳ -жеи @6:29 ahhh, the good old days of usenet.
	6:33pm Juli: I agree. I go looking for memes And I come out so depressed::: So shallow So sad:::
	6:33pm Jeff Moore: The lawyer's filing abjectly apologizing for the ChatGPT-generated brief with fake citations: acrobat.adobe.com...
	6:34pm iiibeat: ↳ -жеи @6:29 A small percentage of folks changed it for the masses . . I don't know how democratic the process has been
	6:34pm -жеи: ↳ chris in the redwoods @6:32 And darpanet. I spent a long evening with a batch of darpanet trolls at the University of Michigan in I think 1979 or so
	6:35pm dale: ↳ -жеи @6:34 i was just delving into the college's watt's line then. that was like going to the moon to me.
	6:37pm swivs: ↳ Jeff Moore @6:33 "Apologies, your honor. My robot seems to have pulled up a recipe for Raspberry Torts..."
	🤖 6:38pm Handy Haversack: Ken! Techyons! Wait, crap, gotta take the neighbor's trash out. Back in a sec.
	6:38pm -жеи: ↳ Jeff Moore @6:33 That idiot lawyer basically said "it's not my fault and I'll never do it again."
	6:38pm iiibeat: "Free" has a vast array of defining points . .
	🤖 6:42pm Ken From Hyde Park: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:38 Make sure there is no e-waste or papers with their account numbers.
	6:43pm iiibeat: 1984 is a fucking good film. Put the red envelope into the blue box the other day. "Despite all my rage, there are rats all over my face"
	6:44pm Jackie G: This is probably important. Shoulda been paying attention.
	6:45pm dale: i'm becoming haystack. like haystack calhoun.
	6:46pm iiibeat: Horses got big magnetic hearts. Saw the meme today.
	6:46pm Chris Hiatt: Really great interview!
	6:47pm Jackie G: hay foot straw foot
	6:48pm Fredericks: ChatGPT told me it could not hallucinate.
	6:49pm Franco Twinkie: Like math, tech surveillance makes me sleepy. I know, I'm doomned.
	6:49pm Listener Robert: Chatbots do seem useful as meta-search engines.
	6:50pm DanFA: Please, for the love of god, ask a question.
	6:50pm Jackie G: anthropo-morprhe?
	6:51pm Franco Twinkie: Who is THAT? No one I know.
	6:53pm Fredericks: We could be collucinating right now.
	6:54pm iiibeat: I'm half man half zombie. I'm my own worst enemy
	6:54pm lazy pierogi: william basinski enters chat
	6:54pm Doug in dc: The AI will pull the most SEO-optimized sources, all of the spammiest have-you-seen-this content, composting it for a permanent state of disinformation.
	6:55pm full_english_breakfast: yes "i am sitting in a room" is exactly what i thought when you mentioned the cassette thing ken!
	6:55pm Jackie G: Yeah, I Am Sitting in a Room. Different than the one you're in now.
	6:56pm Fredericks: I've found there's also a great deal of link rot out there on the net.
	🤖 6:57pm chresti: Truth net
	6:57pm Franco Twinkie: Who are these zombies? More mis-information, or simply confabulation of people who spend all day in front of the computer.
	6:58pm Fredericks: That's what I just said.
	6:59pm Franco Twinkie: You did. I heard you type it.
	7:00pm bleubombersune: Replica failure is inevitable for Chat GPT & similar programmmes
	🤖 7:00pm Bas NL: Thanks Ken & David!
	7:00pm Jackie G: THanjs, Ken
	7:00pm full_english_breakfast: LLMs will eventually feed on their own outputs and amplify unexpected "overtones" / "cliched sequences of words" which will swamp all genuine discourse
	7:00pm Chris Hiatt: Thanks, Ken! Great fill-in.
	🤖 7:00pm Ken From Hyde Park: Thanks, -жеи. Isn't the internet fun?
	🤖 7:00pm Will thee Sound Guy: Thank you Staysh and David!!!
	🤖 7:02pm chresti: Thanks Ken!
	7:06pm chris in the redwoods: thanks, Ken!

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from June 5, 2023

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Upcoming events:

Mon. Dec 23rd, 6pm - 7pm: Don Fleming guest hosts Techtonic
Mon. Dec 30th, 6pm - 7pm: Andrew Smith, author, "Devil in the Stack" (More info...)
Writer Andrew Smith decided to learn computer programming in his 50s. What happened next is captured in his book "Devil in the Stack: A Code Odyssey," and wide-ranging tour through computer history, neuroscience, and the friendliest programming language.

June 5, 2023: David Auerbach on Meganets, AI, national digital identity apps and Clever Hans, the equine faux mathlete

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Tonight's guest: David Auerbach, author of MEGANETS: How Digital Forces Beyond Our Control Commandeer Our Daily Lives and Inner Realities

David's Substack can be found here

David refers to this news story about Chat GPT inventing non-existent court cases and decisions in a legal briefing

I found some vindication by Chris Hedges' recent article on Matt Taibbi, my controversial guest the last time I guest-hosted Techtonic.

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Listener comments!
	🤖 6:01pm Bas NL: Hi Mark & comments panel!
	6:02pm Ciggy: I thought it was gonna be SMK
	6:02pm Bobby: Guest host, guest comments
	6:02pm chris in the redwoods: hey, Ken, Bas, Ciggy, Bobby, all!
	🤖 6:03pm David (in London): Evening Mark and all Technoids.
	6:03pm Bobby: hi chris!
	6:03pm chresti: Hi Ken and techtoniacs !
	🤖 6:03pm Bas NL: Oww, hi Ken!
	6:03pm Bob Barth: Good evening folks!
	6:05pm Ike: So, wait, they're going to nuke the entirety of Ohio from orbit? It's the only way to be sure?
	6:06pm The Butterman: Serious SMK tonight. I don’t like it one bit. I like the Wednesday morning, irreverent Ken. Just kidding. It’s like another version of the state of the station Ken. Love that Ken.
	🤖 6:06pm Wendy del Formaggio: I'd love to offer bad data about myself! That sounds like fun.
	🤖 6:06pm Wendy del Formaggio: Hi Butterman!
	6:07pm Ike: Re: offering bad data about myself: oh good, I'm already doing that. I regularly claim to be a lumberjack.
	6:07pm Bobby: This interview is already scaring the shit out of me
	6:07pm The Butterman: ↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:06 Hi Wendy.
	🤖 6:07pm Will thee Sound Guy: Hi Staysh and all!!!
	6:07pm ?: ↳ Ike @6:07 then you're OK
	🤖 6:08pm Bas NL: Don't forget to sign the petition for the 6 month pause on AI.. futureoflife.org...
	6:08pm chris in the redwoods: ↳ @6:07 he sleeps all night and works all day
	🤖 6:08pm David (in London): Boinks, it was SMK all along...
	6:09pm -жеи: Evening everybody!
	6:10pm Listener Robert: Evening, Field Marshal Ken!
	6:11pm -жеи: ↳ Listener Robert @6:10 Robert, thanks for the call to SSD last Wednesday. You sound great with your voice pitched down 5 octaves
	6:14pm Listener Robert: ↳ -жеи @6:11 Ach, you recognized me!
	🤖 6:17pm Wendy del Formaggio: It sounds like a real-life "Frankenstein" story.
	6:22pm Fredericks: Technology runs out of control; meaning dissolves, until we quit using it.
	6:22pm Listener Robert: Other thrilling NDA-requiring projects have included being part of a team coming up with a faster, cheaper way to purify plastic pellets, and stability testing of a body-building supplement -- not GHB, I worked on that with someone else.
	6:24pm iiibeat: Certain types of information have to have control mechanisms attached. If not, objectives can be lost. Without a doubt.
	6:24pm joe mulligan: ↳ Fredericks @6:22 hopefully web 3.0 tools and conveniences will be useful enough and not as damaging as social media so that we end up slowly using social media less and less until it becomes irrelevant.
	6:24pm Fredericks: I'm 102!
	6:25pm iiibeat: "Non governmental" . . Says who?? lol
	6:26pm dale: i'm self-polluting already.
	6:26pm swivs: The internet wouldn't be so bad if there weren't so many people on it
	6:28pm joe mulligan: ↳ swivs @6:26 ha!!
	6:28pm iiibeat: ↳ swivs @6:26 It could also be worse without so many people in it. I would quit, if I didn't have such a deeeeep addiction.
	6:29pm -жеи: ↳ swivs @6:26 It's true! The internet was such a great place in 1994, before everybody and their grandpa was all over it.
	6:32pm chris in the redwoods: ↳ -жеи @6:29 ahhh, the good old days of usenet.
	6:33pm Juli: I agree. I go looking for memes And I come out so depressed::: So shallow So sad:::
	6:33pm Jeff Moore: The lawyer's filing abjectly apologizing for the ChatGPT-generated brief with fake citations: acrobat.adobe.com...
	6:34pm iiibeat: ↳ -жеи @6:29 A small percentage of folks changed it for the masses . . I don't know how democratic the process has been
	6:34pm -жеи: ↳ chris in the redwoods @6:32 And darpanet. I spent a long evening with a batch of darpanet trolls at the University of Michigan in I think 1979 or so
	6:35pm dale: ↳ -жеи @6:34 i was just delving into the college's watt's line then. that was like going to the moon to me.
	6:37pm swivs: ↳ Jeff Moore @6:33 "Apologies, your honor. My robot seems to have pulled up a recipe for Raspberry Torts..."
	🤖 6:38pm Handy Haversack: Ken! Techyons! Wait, crap, gotta take the neighbor's trash out. Back in a sec.
	6:38pm -жеи: ↳ Jeff Moore @6:33 That idiot lawyer basically said "it's not my fault and I'll never do it again."
	6:38pm iiibeat: "Free" has a vast array of defining points . .
	🤖 6:42pm Ken From Hyde Park: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:38 Make sure there is no e-waste or papers with their account numbers.
	6:43pm iiibeat: 1984 is a fucking good film. Put the red envelope into the blue box the other day. "Despite all my rage, there are rats all over my face"
	6:44pm Jackie G: This is probably important. Shoulda been paying attention.
	6:45pm dale: i'm becoming haystack. like haystack calhoun.
	6:46pm iiibeat: Horses got big magnetic hearts. Saw the meme today.
	6:46pm Chris Hiatt: Really great interview!
	6:47pm Jackie G: hay foot straw foot
	6:48pm Fredericks: ChatGPT told me it could not hallucinate.
	6:49pm Franco Twinkie: Like math, tech surveillance makes me sleepy. I know, I'm doomned.
	6:49pm Listener Robert: Chatbots do seem useful as meta-search engines.
	6:50pm DanFA: Please, for the love of god, ask a question.
	6:50pm Jackie G: anthropo-morprhe?
	6:51pm Franco Twinkie: Who is THAT? No one I know.
	6:53pm Fredericks: We could be collucinating right now.
	6:54pm iiibeat: I'm half man half zombie. I'm my own worst enemy
	6:54pm lazy pierogi: william basinski enters chat
	6:54pm Doug in dc: The AI will pull the most SEO-optimized sources, all of the spammiest have-you-seen-this content, composting it for a permanent state of disinformation.
	6:55pm full_english_breakfast: yes "i am sitting in a room" is exactly what i thought when you mentioned the cassette thing ken!
	6:55pm Jackie G: Yeah, I Am Sitting in a Room. Different than the one you're in now.
	6:56pm Fredericks: I've found there's also a great deal of link rot out there on the net.
	🤖 6:57pm chresti: Truth net
	6:57pm Franco Twinkie: Who are these zombies? More mis-information, or simply confabulation of people who spend all day in front of the computer.
	6:58pm Fredericks: That's what I just said.
	6:59pm Franco Twinkie: You did. I heard you type it.
	7:00pm bleubombersune: Replica failure is inevitable for Chat GPT & similar programmmes
	🤖 7:00pm Bas NL: Thanks Ken & David!
	7:00pm Jackie G: THanjs, Ken
	7:00pm full_english_breakfast: LLMs will eventually feed on their own outputs and amplify unexpected "overtones" / "cliched sequences of words" which will swamp all genuine discourse
	7:00pm Chris Hiatt: Thanks, Ken! Great fill-in.
	🤖 7:00pm Ken From Hyde Park: Thanks, -жеи. Isn't the internet fun?
	🤖 7:00pm Will thee Sound Guy: Thank you Staysh and David!!!
	🤖 7:02pm chresti: Thanks Ken!
	7:06pm chris in the redwoods: thanks, Ken!

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from June 5, 2023

Upcoming events:

Listener comments!

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