WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from July 31, 2023

Listener comments!
	🤖 6:01pm Bas NL: Hi Mark! Hi all!
	6:01pm chresti: Hi Mark and techtoniacs !
	6:02pm SM Ken: Hi all!
	6:03pm TDK60: Ho, Mark H.
	6:03pm joe_rosevear: Good evening!
	🤖 6:03pm Webhamster Henry: Bruce Schneier is a good guest!
	6:04pm DanFA: Yes, please.
	6:04pm Ike: My cat caught a tiny mouse -- can I ask a question about that? Oh wait, it's a tech show, so I guess it has to be a cyborg mouse.
	6:05pm DanFA: ↳ Ike @6:04 Is your cat a robot cat, or a flesh cat? If the former, then yes, you can ask that.
	6:06pm Bryant in TO: Hi, Mark et al!
	6:08pm Mandy: Funny you should mention taking questions for a show. We were just saying you should do a show with Ken and Andy - answering our questions so we don’t have to ask Google!
	6:08pm The Butterman: Hack my wife…Please.
	6:09pm Mark Hurst: Hi all, nice to see you on the comment board this evening.
	6:10pm joe mulligan: not a specific question, but could we have an episode or time devoted to the benefits of technology vs. the risks and dangers? i.e. some people who are neurodiverse/suffering conditions may benefit more from things like AR/VR and decide it's worth the risk of privacy to be an early adopter
	6:10pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Mandy @6:08 Heh interesting idea! Happy to do anything I can to get people away from using Google.
	🤖 6:10pm Wendy del Formaggio: Hi Mark. I'm lurking while I make dinner. Always nice to tune in live.
	🤖 6:11pm Webhamster Henry: And financial hacking techniques are called "generally accepted accounting practices"
	6:11pm wenzo: This is the first I’ve heard about the cage match. Weird.
	6:12pm The Butterman: Question for Mark: should I have my phone implanted in my ass?
	6:12pm wenzo: You should definitely set it to vibrate if you do
	6:12pm Mark Hurst: ↳ The Butterman @6:12 No. Too many butt dials. Next question.
	6:13pm The Butterman: ↳ Mark Hurst @6:12 Sorry.
	6:13pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:10 Thanks for joining right after your show, Wendy! Hope the dinner is tasty.
	6:13pm Mark Hurst: ↳ joe mulligan @6:10 Interesting idea, thanks, Joe
	6:16pm wenzo: This was in Punch Drunk Love!
	6:16pm The Butterman: Storage unit full of pudding.
	6:17pm wenzo: Adam sandler’s character is ends up with a ton of pudding & miles…
	🤖 6:17pm Webhamster Henry: Feynman has a story about Orthodox Jews saying the reason you cant flip an electric switch on Shabbos is that it might make a spark, which to them is starting a fire, which is doing work.Feynman said, if you just put a capacitor in sequence, it'll never spark. They didn't want too hear that.
	6:17pm wenzo: Yup
	6:17pm Erik (VT): Wait - isn’t that the scenario in PT Anderson’s great “punch drunk love” movie featuring Adam Sandler At his quirky best.
	🤖 6:17pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ wenzo @6:17 I was gonna say! One of the watchable Adam Sandler movies!
	🤖 6:17pm Wendy del Formaggio: Mark, what I've been thinking about a lot lately is, are we starting to see the tide turn regarding tech, surveillance, and how much rests on it? It seems like with Muskrat's purchase of Twitter, the backlash you covered last week in Toronto and other places, the AI failures Ken talked about two weeks ago, and the plethora of books warning against tech surveillance et al, people are starting to pay attention. Could this lead to some legislation and a more widespread abandonment of social media? Are there signs of hope? Maybe a discussion of that.
	6:18pm Erik (VT): Re The pudding coupon / travel scenario
	6:18pm SM Ken: Hang on. How does pudding turn into miles?
	🤖 6:18pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hello, Mark and actual intelligence!
	6:18pm joe mulligan: in sales, most of my colleagues who were the most successful were the best at taking advantage of loopholes. then once management figures they are losing money paying out commissions to a rep they make a rule and name it after that rep who usurped the loophole
	6:19pm mr 6: McDonalds Hacks fish fillet no bread is 1.00 crispy chicken is 2.00
	6:19pm The Human Wain: Sovereign is he who decides upon the exception
	6:20pm The Butterman: You spread out all the pudding, then slide at tremendous speed to the desired libation. Simple.
	6:20pm The Human Wain: ↳ The Human Wain @6:19 Schmidt
	6:22pm SeaCreature: Credit where it’s due: pretty awesome episode.
	6:23pm Mark Hurst: ↳ SeaCreature @6:22 Thanks!
	6:23pm Juli: That's not how it works lol
	6:24pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:17 Good question, thanks! Probably a "on the one hand, on the other hand" situation but well worth giving a shot...
	6:25pm chresti: Wait, so if you kill someone, you don’t go to hell?
	6:25pm The Butterman: Suicide by cop is another similar and heartbreaking method.
	🤖 6:25pm Bas NL: Killing oneself during confession would be simpler?
	6:26pm SM Ken: Article on the 18th century Danish “suicide - murder” hack that Bruce just mentioned: https://sciencenordic.com/christianity-crime-death/danes-killed-to-get-killed/1462820
	6:27pm The Human Wain: ↳ chresti @6:25 In almost all Xian theologies that don't believe in predestination, if you are contrite at death, then no
	6:28pm The Butterman: If I poison all the United States gold supply, then MY gold will be worth more! Wait…
	6:28pm Juli: Sigh::::{ Creating pain j creates Hell
	6:29pm The Human Wain: ↳ Juli @6:28 correct
	6:30pm The Human Wain: Why I am partial to Catholicism and the notion of purgatory
	6:31pm joe mulligan: the freeware offering from software companies changed the whole market back in the 90s, and then probably influenced current "free" ad supported consumer products like search and social media (google/yahoo/bing for searhc and facebook/twitter/instagram/tiktok for social)
	6:31pm Mr. Corey LLC: Excellent interview with an excellent guest.
	6:31pm The Human Wain: ↳ The Human Wain @6:30 at the Xian buffet
	6:32pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Mr. Corey LLC @6:31 Thanks!
	6:32pm ugh…!: Indeed … easy to sign up / hard to unsubscribe is a prolific annoyance !
	6:33pm Mark Hurst: "Addiction by Design" by Natasha Dow Schüll - recommended. Natasha spoke in Monty Hall at one of my Skeptech events back in 2017.
	6:33pm SM Ken: Outstanding interview Mark!
	6:34pm Mark Hurst: ↳ SM Ken @6:33 Thanks!
	6:35pm joe mulligan: the lead-generation industry (collecting your info to be shared with advertisers) is regulated for opt-in or opt-out, but one of the shadiest sectors of internet advertising
	6:41pm joe mulligan: the concept of AI discovered loophole hacks is INSANE, kind of like hacker fare flights but with many more uses
	6:42pm Mark Hurst: ↳ joe mulligan @6:41 Yep - things could get pretty weird.
	6:42pm Gainstager Liquid: hacky mchackenstein
	6:42pm Juli: Brushing teeth Soft Fabrics Feeling Flowers Summer Vibrant Evenings Dreamscapes
	6:43pm The Butterman: I can to that… I put on one shoe, then I put toothpaste on my tooth brush, then I clean the litter box, then I go get milk, then I start the shower, then I put my laundry in the dryer, then I …this is normal behavior and thinking. Typical day.
	6:44pm SM Ken: Breakout!!! I was such an addict
	6:44pm Juli: Wow. tho
	🤖 6:44pm chresti: ↳ The Butterman @6:43 What about shoe #2?
	6:45pm SM Ken: Steve Jobs designed Breakout. Last thing he did before Apple
	6:46pm The Butterman: ↳ chresti @6:44 Show number two is down for the count as I stepped in nasty dog poop earlier today! No joke.
	6:47pm Chris from Brooklyn: Can we have Bruce on every week as a permanent guest? Thx Bruce.
	6:47pm Gainstager Liquid: 2010 vs. 2020
	6:49pm Gainstager Liquid: Joe Rogan used to talk about a Judgement Day T2 level apocalypse.
	🤖 6:49pm Bas NL: Thanks Bruce. Interesting thoughts.
	6:50pm joe mulligan: I had to stop subscribing from Adbusters magazine because it was only "we're all gonna die" messaging/tropes. just made you feel bad about living on the planet
	🤖 6:51pm Webhamster Henry: That's a nice hopeful way to end the book, but actually we are all going to die.
	6:52pm Chris from Brooklyn: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:51 Immortality is overrated
	6:53pm joe_rosevear: That was interestingly depressing!
	6:53pm Juli: ↳ Chris from Brooklyn @6:52 I disagreee I rather be a fairy::but I dig humans too
	🤖 6:53pm Webhamster Henry: AI's can discover hacks because they can try billions of possibilities and not suffer from making mistakes. It only needs to make one successful hack!
	🤖 6:54pm chresti: LOL
	6:54pm Mike Sin: I saw the documentary on the dude who tried to cash in his 7 million Pepsi points for the jet!
	6:56pm Mike Sin: I think it was called "Dude, Where's My Jet?" on Netflix.
	6:56pm sophistikitsch: Pepsi, where's my jet?
	🤖 6:57pm Wendy del Formaggio: The Pepsi jet is kinda like when Bart Simpson called KBBL and demanded the elephant! Thus we have Stampy.
	6:58pm wind: Hahaha that was an interesting story!
	6:58pm The Butterman: ↳ The Butterman @6:46 Fun stuff, Mark. Thanks.
	🤖 6:58pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark!
	6:58pm joe mulligan: thanks for a great show Mark and fun chat evryone!
	🤖 6:58pm Wendy del Formaggio: Thank you as always, Mark!
	🤖 6:59pm chresti: Thanks Mark!
	6:59pm Gainstager Liquid: Bruce Schneier vs. the sociologist that everyone loved in the '10s
	6:59pm Chris from Brooklyn: ↳ Juli @6:53 After the first few centuries it’s really just a rinse repeat drag
	6:59pm Gainstager Liquid: he does the podcast with Rick Rubin
	7:01pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone!
	7:02pm Coach32sm: 1- 2 -5- 4 Prog me up

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from July 31, 2023

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July 31, 2023: Bruce Schneier, author, "A Hacker's Mind"

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• A Hacker’s Mind: How the Powerful Bend Society’s Rules, and How to Bend Them Back, by Bruce Schneier

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• US Air Force denies AI drone attacked operator in test (BBC, June 2, 2023): “A US Air Force colonel ‘mis-spoke’ when describing an experiment in which an AI-enabled drone opted to attack its operator in order to complete its mission, the service has said.” (It was a “thought experiment,” apparently.)

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Bruce Schneier, author, "A Hacker's Mind"
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Listener comments!
	🤖 6:01pm Bas NL: Hi Mark! Hi all!
	6:01pm chresti: Hi Mark and techtoniacs !
	6:02pm SM Ken: Hi all!
	6:03pm TDK60: Ho, Mark H.
	6:03pm joe_rosevear: Good evening!
	🤖 6:03pm Webhamster Henry: Bruce Schneier is a good guest!
	6:04pm DanFA: Yes, please.
	6:04pm Ike: My cat caught a tiny mouse -- can I ask a question about that? Oh wait, it's a tech show, so I guess it has to be a cyborg mouse.
	6:05pm DanFA: ↳ Ike @6:04 Is your cat a robot cat, or a flesh cat? If the former, then yes, you can ask that.
	6:06pm Bryant in TO: Hi, Mark et al!
	6:08pm Mandy: Funny you should mention taking questions for a show. We were just saying you should do a show with Ken and Andy - answering our questions so we don’t have to ask Google!
	6:08pm The Butterman: Hack my wife…Please.
	6:09pm Mark Hurst: Hi all, nice to see you on the comment board this evening.
	6:10pm joe mulligan: not a specific question, but could we have an episode or time devoted to the benefits of technology vs. the risks and dangers? i.e. some people who are neurodiverse/suffering conditions may benefit more from things like AR/VR and decide it's worth the risk of privacy to be an early adopter
	6:10pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Mandy @6:08 Heh interesting idea! Happy to do anything I can to get people away from using Google.
	🤖 6:10pm Wendy del Formaggio: Hi Mark. I'm lurking while I make dinner. Always nice to tune in live.
	🤖 6:11pm Webhamster Henry: And financial hacking techniques are called "generally accepted accounting practices"
	6:11pm wenzo: This is the first I’ve heard about the cage match. Weird.
	6:12pm The Butterman: Question for Mark: should I have my phone implanted in my ass?
	6:12pm wenzo: You should definitely set it to vibrate if you do
	6:12pm Mark Hurst: ↳ The Butterman @6:12 No. Too many butt dials. Next question.
	6:13pm The Butterman: ↳ Mark Hurst @6:12 Sorry.
	6:13pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:10 Thanks for joining right after your show, Wendy! Hope the dinner is tasty.
	6:13pm Mark Hurst: ↳ joe mulligan @6:10 Interesting idea, thanks, Joe
	6:16pm wenzo: This was in Punch Drunk Love!
	6:16pm The Butterman: Storage unit full of pudding.
	6:17pm wenzo: Adam sandler’s character is ends up with a ton of pudding & miles…
	🤖 6:17pm Webhamster Henry: Feynman has a story about Orthodox Jews saying the reason you cant flip an electric switch on Shabbos is that it might make a spark, which to them is starting a fire, which is doing work.Feynman said, if you just put a capacitor in sequence, it'll never spark. They didn't want too hear that.
	6:17pm wenzo: Yup
	6:17pm Erik (VT): Wait - isn’t that the scenario in PT Anderson’s great “punch drunk love” movie featuring Adam Sandler At his quirky best.
	🤖 6:17pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ wenzo @6:17 I was gonna say! One of the watchable Adam Sandler movies!
	🤖 6:17pm Wendy del Formaggio: Mark, what I've been thinking about a lot lately is, are we starting to see the tide turn regarding tech, surveillance, and how much rests on it? It seems like with Muskrat's purchase of Twitter, the backlash you covered last week in Toronto and other places, the AI failures Ken talked about two weeks ago, and the plethora of books warning against tech surveillance et al, people are starting to pay attention. Could this lead to some legislation and a more widespread abandonment of social media? Are there signs of hope? Maybe a discussion of that.
	6:18pm Erik (VT): Re The pudding coupon / travel scenario
	6:18pm SM Ken: Hang on. How does pudding turn into miles?
	🤖 6:18pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hello, Mark and actual intelligence!
	6:18pm joe mulligan: in sales, most of my colleagues who were the most successful were the best at taking advantage of loopholes. then once management figures they are losing money paying out commissions to a rep they make a rule and name it after that rep who usurped the loophole
	6:19pm mr 6: McDonalds Hacks fish fillet no bread is 1.00 crispy chicken is 2.00
	6:19pm The Human Wain: Sovereign is he who decides upon the exception
	6:20pm The Butterman: You spread out all the pudding, then slide at tremendous speed to the desired libation. Simple.
	6:20pm The Human Wain: ↳ The Human Wain @6:19 Schmidt
	6:22pm SeaCreature: Credit where it’s due: pretty awesome episode.
	6:23pm Mark Hurst: ↳ SeaCreature @6:22 Thanks!
	6:23pm Juli: That's not how it works lol
	6:24pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:17 Good question, thanks! Probably a "on the one hand, on the other hand" situation but well worth giving a shot...
	6:25pm chresti: Wait, so if you kill someone, you don’t go to hell?
	6:25pm The Butterman: Suicide by cop is another similar and heartbreaking method.
	🤖 6:25pm Bas NL: Killing oneself during confession would be simpler?
	6:26pm SM Ken: Article on the 18th century Danish “suicide - murder” hack that Bruce just mentioned: https://sciencenordic.com/christianity-crime-death/danes-killed-to-get-killed/1462820
	6:27pm The Human Wain: ↳ chresti @6:25 In almost all Xian theologies that don't believe in predestination, if you are contrite at death, then no
	6:28pm The Butterman: If I poison all the United States gold supply, then MY gold will be worth more! Wait…
	6:28pm Juli: Sigh::::{ Creating pain j creates Hell
	6:29pm The Human Wain: ↳ Juli @6:28 correct
	6:30pm The Human Wain: Why I am partial to Catholicism and the notion of purgatory
	6:31pm joe mulligan: the freeware offering from software companies changed the whole market back in the 90s, and then probably influenced current "free" ad supported consumer products like search and social media (google/yahoo/bing for searhc and facebook/twitter/instagram/tiktok for social)
	6:31pm Mr. Corey LLC: Excellent interview with an excellent guest.
	6:31pm The Human Wain: ↳ The Human Wain @6:30 at the Xian buffet
	6:32pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Mr. Corey LLC @6:31 Thanks!
	6:32pm ugh…!: Indeed … easy to sign up / hard to unsubscribe is a prolific annoyance !
	6:33pm Mark Hurst: "Addiction by Design" by Natasha Dow Schüll - recommended. Natasha spoke in Monty Hall at one of my Skeptech events back in 2017.
	6:33pm SM Ken: Outstanding interview Mark!
	6:34pm Mark Hurst: ↳ SM Ken @6:33 Thanks!
	6:35pm joe mulligan: the lead-generation industry (collecting your info to be shared with advertisers) is regulated for opt-in or opt-out, but one of the shadiest sectors of internet advertising
	6:41pm joe mulligan: the concept of AI discovered loophole hacks is INSANE, kind of like hacker fare flights but with many more uses
	6:42pm Mark Hurst: ↳ joe mulligan @6:41 Yep - things could get pretty weird.
	6:42pm Gainstager Liquid: hacky mchackenstein
	6:42pm Juli: Brushing teeth Soft Fabrics Feeling Flowers Summer Vibrant Evenings Dreamscapes
	6:43pm The Butterman: I can to that… I put on one shoe, then I put toothpaste on my tooth brush, then I clean the litter box, then I go get milk, then I start the shower, then I put my laundry in the dryer, then I …this is normal behavior and thinking. Typical day.
	6:44pm SM Ken: Breakout!!! I was such an addict
	6:44pm Juli: Wow. tho
	🤖 6:44pm chresti: ↳ The Butterman @6:43 What about shoe #2?
	6:45pm SM Ken: Steve Jobs designed Breakout. Last thing he did before Apple
	6:46pm The Butterman: ↳ chresti @6:44 Show number two is down for the count as I stepped in nasty dog poop earlier today! No joke.
	6:47pm Chris from Brooklyn: Can we have Bruce on every week as a permanent guest? Thx Bruce.
	6:47pm Gainstager Liquid: 2010 vs. 2020
	6:49pm Gainstager Liquid: Joe Rogan used to talk about a Judgement Day T2 level apocalypse.
	🤖 6:49pm Bas NL: Thanks Bruce. Interesting thoughts.
	6:50pm joe mulligan: I had to stop subscribing from Adbusters magazine because it was only "we're all gonna die" messaging/tropes. just made you feel bad about living on the planet
	🤖 6:51pm Webhamster Henry: That's a nice hopeful way to end the book, but actually we are all going to die.
	6:52pm Chris from Brooklyn: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:51 Immortality is overrated
	6:53pm joe_rosevear: That was interestingly depressing!
	6:53pm Juli: ↳ Chris from Brooklyn @6:52 I disagreee I rather be a fairy::but I dig humans too
	🤖 6:53pm Webhamster Henry: AI's can discover hacks because they can try billions of possibilities and not suffer from making mistakes. It only needs to make one successful hack!
	🤖 6:54pm chresti: LOL
	6:54pm Mike Sin: I saw the documentary on the dude who tried to cash in his 7 million Pepsi points for the jet!
	6:56pm Mike Sin: I think it was called "Dude, Where's My Jet?" on Netflix.
	6:56pm sophistikitsch: Pepsi, where's my jet?
	🤖 6:57pm Wendy del Formaggio: The Pepsi jet is kinda like when Bart Simpson called KBBL and demanded the elephant! Thus we have Stampy.
	6:58pm wind: Hahaha that was an interesting story!
	6:58pm The Butterman: ↳ The Butterman @6:46 Fun stuff, Mark. Thanks.
	🤖 6:58pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark!
	6:58pm joe mulligan: thanks for a great show Mark and fun chat evryone!
	🤖 6:58pm Wendy del Formaggio: Thank you as always, Mark!
	🤖 6:59pm chresti: Thanks Mark!
	6:59pm Gainstager Liquid: Bruce Schneier vs. the sociologist that everyone loved in the '10s
	6:59pm Chris from Brooklyn: ↳ Juli @6:53 After the first few centuries it’s really just a rinse repeat drag
	6:59pm Gainstager Liquid: he does the podcast with Rick Rubin
	7:01pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone!
	7:02pm Coach32sm: 1- 2 -5- 4 Prog me up

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from July 31, 2023

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