WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from January 22, 2024

Listener comments!
	🤖 5:39pm Handy Haversack: Following on the Disability Dongle article: thebaffler.com...
	6:00pm ultradamno: Mark! Technocapable!
	🤖 6:00pm Handy Haversack: And also hello, Mark and the Techyon Particles!
	🤖 6:01pm Bas NL: Hi Mark! Hi happy webbers!
	🤖 6:01pm Will thee Sound Guy: Good evening Mark Hurst and all!!!
	🤖 6:01pm Wendy del Formaggio: Mark and Techtonicals! I'm very excited for this show today. Whadda topic!
	🤖 6:02pm Wendy del Formaggio: ↳ Handy Haversack @5:39 Handy, is that from the latest issue of the print mag, too? I'm still making my way through it, and it seems like it would fit the issue's theme.
	6:03pm ultradamno: Big day for AI in the news with deep fake Biden voter suppression robocalls
	🤖 6:03pm Wendy del Formaggio: ↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:02 Also, The Baffler is a great mag and everyone should read it!
	🤖 6:04pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:02 No, it's from I want to say last summer?
	🤖 6:05pm Wendy del Formaggio: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:04 Oh right, duh. It says it right on the header to this playlist page. I also now remember reading it. I read so much that sometimes I forget everything I've read... :-D
	🤖 6:05pm Webhamster Henry: Speaking of Disability Tech, here's the AUMI book which came out this week. You heard me talk about AUMI on Techtonic back in 2018 ( wfmu.org... ) aumiapp.com...
	🤖 6:06pm Noir Lover: ABT.....Anything But Taibbi
	🤖 6:06pm tim: Hey Mark! Hello Techtonic buddies! Looking forward to tonight’s conversation!
	6:07pm Mark Hurst: Handy, ultra, Bas, Will, Wendy, Webham, Noir Lover, and tim - thanks for joining this evening!
	🤖 6:08pm tim: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:05 Whoa, cool! I love Pauline Oliveras!
	🤖 6:08pm herb.nyc: Hola. Friend told me this - Thursday, January 25th at 8pm, returning to the First Unitarian Congregational Society in Brooklyn Heights, ISSUE's 2024 Winter Season Opening welcomes sonic outlaws and multimedia collective Negativland for the NYC premiere of their work WE CAN REALLY FEEL LIKE WE'RE HERE
	6:09pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:05 Thanks for the AUMI book pointer - cool to see
	🤖 6:09pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ tim @6:08 Issues of including all people in improv groups took up a lot of the last decade or more of her life!
	🤖 6:10pm tim: My dad was a special ed teacher. When he started teaching in the mid 60s ‘special education’ students were just physically disabled.
	🤖 6:11pm Wendy del Formaggio: I love the reminder, "Everyone is only temporarily disabled." True story.
	6:11pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:11 yes - temporarily abled
	🤖 6:11pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:11 well, temporarily abled that is!
	🤖 6:11pm Wendy del Formaggio: ↳ tim @6:10 Also, non-white and poor, depending on the district.
	🤖 6:11pm tim: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:09 People talk about inclusivity but Pauline walked the walk!
	🤖 6:12pm David (in London): Evening Msrk and all Technoids.
	🤖 6:12pm Wendy del Formaggio: ↳ Mark Hurst @6:11 D'OH! That's what I meant to write. Haha, thanks, friends, for correcting me.
	🤖 6:12pm MarciB: Our nephew needs to hear this (he's 27 with spina bifida) but alas...all he'll listen to is Blink 125 or whatever they are called.
	6:12pm Mark Hurst: ↳ David (in London) @6:12 hi DiL! thanks for joining
	🤖 6:13pm tim: ↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:11 True, that seems to still be the case today.
	🤖 6:13pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ tim @6:11 Indeed - one of her last projects was a concert for the deaf and hard of hearing in a bigg empty swimming pool in Norway!
	6:15pm yippie: A lot of cops in America are the ones who park illegally all the time blocking sidewalks bike lanes and disabled people’s areas. They let other people park illegally all the time in Brooklyn. I know in some areas of Manhattan the traffic cops watch cars like a hawk to give parking tickets.
	🤖 6:17pm DjLorraine: Myalgic encephalomyelitis. It's had better names in the past.
	🤖 6:18pm Wendy del Formaggio: @yippie: HellGateNYC does a lot of coverage on NYPD's traffic misdeeds. Here's one story to get you started: hellgatenyc.com...
	🤖 6:18pm tim: At the university building I work in I started seeing signage for ‘Crip Studies’. I couldn’t figure out what it meant so I looked it up. Crip Studies is the intersection of Disability Studies and Queer Studies.
	🤖 6:18pm Webhamster Henry: My one legged friend Ana didn't park in disabled spaces or have one of those dangling tags in her car. "Well, I'm not disabled!" she'd say. She was very quick on her crutches!
	🤖 6:21pm Wendy del Formaggio: I love that she just explained "below-knee" versus "bologna." I laughed out loud at that one!
	🤖 6:22pm Webhamster Henry: The Guthman Musical Instrument prize candidates dropped this week, there are often assistive tech projects among these: guthman.gatech.edu...
	6:22pm ledzeppelinsucks: 'world class' means deluxe
	🤖 6:23pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:18 And they link frequently to Streets Blog NYC: nyc.streetsblog.org
	🤖 6:24pm DjLorraine: ↳ DjLorraine @6:17 Dr Ron Davis found MS antibodies. And ME that leads to EDS shortens the life span.
	🤖 6:25pm Handy Haversack: And in the United States, diabetes amputations are wildly disproportionately performed on Black people.
	6:25pm castor: Hi Mark! This reminds me of what I've read about transhumanism, they take this condescending attitude and apply it to humans bodies in general, that to be made of mortal flesh itself is a "disability" that they want to "evolve" beyond.
	🤖 6:26pm Webhamster Henry: A "six million dollar man" would get you a nice cyber ankle these days.
	🤖 6:29pm Webhamster Henry: I like how new Marvel hero ECHO is a native American deaf amputee played by a native American deaf amputee.
	🤖 6:29pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:25 features.propublica.org...
	6:29pm ultradamno: In recent years, I've noticed a couple (literally two, Zyra Gorecki in La Brea and Ruth Codd in Midnight Club/Fall Of The House Of Usher) of amputee actresses on television. A line, not yet a pattern, but a good thing.
	6:30pm Mark Hurst: ↳ castor @6:25 Good point, castor. Transhumanism came up a bit on the show with Sasha Stiles, author of "Technelegy" - see the "truths of Terasem": www.wfmu.org...
	6:31pm Orthofrancis: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:25 I've done several hundred amputations for tumors/diabetes. Unfortunately being overweight significantly increases your chance of diabetes, which often can lead to amputations. Unfortunately , many of the same pts have a hard time affording their diabetes meds, or are non-compliant.
	6:32pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Orthofrancis @6:31 Thanks for weighing in, @Orthofrancis
	🤖 6:33pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Orthofrancis @6:31 That must be hard to witness.
	🤖 6:33pm tim: ↳ Mark Hurst @6:30 I’m a pretty tolerant guy. Live the lifestyle that makes you feel like a human. Transhumanism is where my tolerance ends.
	6:35pm Orthofrancis: I take the approach that the infected diabetic leg, or cancer is going to kill them, and their leg isn't worth their life, so I give them that chance. The little kids are tough though, but thankfully we can save about 95% of the limbs from cancer.
	🤖 6:35pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Orthofrancis @6:31 Seems like the Amputation Reduction and Compassion Act of 2020 has not progressed in Congress? I guess that should not be a surprise.
	6:37pm Orthofrancis: That mostly covers diabetes. A significant amount of the amps I do are from nicotine use (peripheral vascular disease).
	🤖 6:37pm tim: What does a dongle do? Serious question. I know the term but never learned what it means.
	🤖 6:38pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Orthofrancis @6:37 Yikes. I'm about to hit eight years from quitting smoking.
	6:38pm Orthofrancis: Dongle is typically a little thing plugged into a USB port for a wireless mouse, or some other connection
	6:38pm Mark Hurst: ↳ tim @6:37 I might get to this in my comments. Basically a physical DRM tool - "plug this in to prove you have the software license"
	6:38pm Orthofrancis: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:38 remember - nicotine (vaping, chewing, patches) still has the same effect
	🤖 6:39pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Song: "Interview with Ashley Shew" Maybe we shouldn't have entrusted space exploration to military people?
	🤖 6:39pm tim: ↳ Orthofrancis @6:38 Thanks, ortho and Mark!
	6:39pm castor: ↳ tim @6:33 I do appreciate Donna Haraway's cyborg feminism tho, that sees a certain kind of liberation in transhumanism, but I feel like that's a minority of the movement.
	🤖 6:39pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Orthofrancis @6:38 Oh, I don't trust myself to be exposed to it at all! Even gave away the nice pipes I'd been gifted over the years. Quitting was insanely hard. I don't think I could manage it again.
	6:39pm Orthofrancis: Nicotine also slows down bone healing and single cigs can increase infection rates. Ok - that's the end of the orthopedics course for today - sorry
	🤖 6:40pm Webhamster Henry: Ostomie bags also need gravity.
	6:40pm chris in the redwoods: in my DEI training at work, i've seen how disabled people and cognitively divergent people make great problem solvers. its what they do all day every day. hi, Mark and folks. enjoying the interview.
	🤖 6:40pm Wendy del Formaggio: Okay, I've just learned a lot about pooping in space, and I want to know more. It's also a great name for an album.
	6:40pm Mark Hurst: ↳ chris in the redwoods @6:40 thanks, chris
	🤖 6:41pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:40 <muppets> POOPS IN SPAAAAAAAAACE </muppets>
	🤖 6:41pm Wendy del Formaggio: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:38 Thank you for quitting smoking, say those of us who want to keep you around. :-)
	🤖 6:41pm tim: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:39 You’re a Quitter, Handy! Keep it up!
	🤖 6:42pm Wendy del Formaggio: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:41 :-D :-D :-D
	🤖 6:42pm Webhamster Henry: A main thrust of my dormant Haptician project is making ways to sense motion/sound without using electronics or batteries. haptician.org Nice pic of Dr. Oliveros hugging a balloon there.
	🤖 6:42pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:41 You can pry my rhinoceros wrestling out of my cold, dead hands!
	6:46pm Dean: It isn't that our health can fail. It will fail. When folks do a quick run-down of varieties of disability, I always want to include neurodiversity, which might or might not be a disability per se, but is worth keeping in mind.
	🤖 6:46pm tim: Thanks, Ashley! Great interview and topic tonight!
	6:46pm Dean: Mr. Prog himself!
	6:46pm chris in the redwoods: DJ IDC gets his prawg on. :)
	6:47pm ultradamno: One thing to keep in mind with the going into space is that the person would have to not have any loss of bone density issues...that being an impact of being in a weightless environment for extended periods itself.
	6:48pm chris in the redwoods: we need those exoskeletons to find aliens, Mark! haven't you seen the movie????
	6:48pm P-90: Irwin? Fine. Thankfully not another Ken fill in…
	6:48pm chris in the redwoods: *fight aliens... sheesh
	🤖 6:49pm Webhamster Henry: Thanks for the clicks, Mark!
	🤖 6:49pm Handy Haversack: ↳ chris in the redwoods @6:48 Whose side are you on?!
	🤖 6:49pm tim: I’m a little emotionally thin skinned. Will an exoskeleton help me become resistant to criticism?
	🤖 6:50pm Handy Haversack: ↳ tim @6:49 You need an exegesis skeleton.
	6:50pm chris in the redwoods: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:49 i feel conflicted, tbh.
	🤖 6:51pm tim: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:50 Oh yeah, so obvious now!
	🤖 6:51pm Webhamster Henry: I consider myself disabled in that I can't see in the infra red and ultra violet like so many other animals, or hear up to 80Khz.
	🤖 6:51pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:51 I can't even figure out which muscle to flex to get my butt to light up!
	6:52pm ultradamno: Well, the idea that you can transfer yourself, your consciousness online...it's not you going on any more than a clone would be.
	6:52pm Mi-rgod: Flightless since birth, sadly
	🤖 6:53pm PaulRobeson1924: “Cyber Nugget intake” port
	🤖 6:53pm Folsom: We used serial port dongles for licensing back in the day.
	🤖 6:53pm Will thee Sound Guy: like a HASP or Sentinel key
	🤖 6:53pm Wendy del Formaggio: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:51 That could prove challenging when you need to poop in space.
	6:53pm lazy rider: SCSI, ‘scuzzy’ ports.
	🤖 6:54pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:53 Go for burn!
	6:54pm ledzeppelinsucks: PCMCIA was the credit card size slot and there was scsi or scuzzy which was a chain of jumpers
	6:54pm ms boo: I still have a dongle for my job! Video editing on Avid software.
	6:54pm Dean: "Well intended, elegant, useless"...Apple!
	🤖 6:55pm DjLorraine: Capitalistic real estate vs. ramps
	🤖 6:56pm Folsom: I have a USB dongle in my computer for licensing some software.
	🤖 6:56pm Will thee Sound Guy: designers hit their heads into walls too often
	6:56pm Mike in Crown Heights: There’s a whole lot more profit to be had in stair climbers
	🤖 6:56pm tim: The inclined plain is a simple machine, can’t argue with that!
	6:56pm Dean: Berkeley was (at least one) ground zero for disability rights, e.g., curb cut-outs.
	6:57pm bleubombersune: Mark, thanks
	🤖 6:57pm Noir Lover: Great show Mark
	🤖 6:57pm Will thee Sound Guy: but non disabled people can't walk on a ramp.,. that's crazy talk
	🤖 6:57pm Wendy del Formaggio: Another great show. Thanks, Mark!
	🤖 6:57pm Handy Haversack: Thanks, Mark! Thanks, Ashley! Really good.
	🤖 6:57pm tim: Thanks, Mark!!!
	6:58pm chris in the redwoods: great show, Mark. much thanks to you and Ashley Shew.
	🤖 6:58pm Webhamster Henry: Yes - a big problem with tech fixes is how unstable the ecosystem of tech is that is required to make them work. One more reason to go with my balloon sensing solutions....
	🤖 6:58pm Will thee Sound Guy: Thank you Mark, Ashley, and all!!!
	6:58pm P-90: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:59pm chresti: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:59pm Wendy del Formaggio: Requesting this book from my local library in 3...2...1...
	6:59pm Alexis: This guy is nuts . lol
	🤖 7:00pm Noir Lover: ↳ Song: "Kill the Internet" by "Sweat Enzo" Digital God would like a word
	🤖 7:00pm Webhamster Henry: I met a young chair user who was working up a solution to the problem that those ADA-open-the-door buttons you see are often hard for the chair bound to push!
	🤖 7:01pm Wendy del Formaggio: ↳ Webhamster Henry @7:00 They're also sometimes hard for those of us who don't use wheelchairs to use. And I have decent upper-body strength from years of carrying big heavy cheeses.
	7:02pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone!

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from January 22, 2024

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• Disability Dongle (April 19, 2022), by Liz Jackson, Alex Haagaard, and Rua Williams. “Disability Dongle: A well intended elegant, yet useless solution to a problem we never knew we had. Disability Dongles are most often conceived of and created in design schools and at IDEO.”

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Listener comments!
	🤖 5:39pm Handy Haversack: Following on the Disability Dongle article: thebaffler.com...
	6:00pm ultradamno: Mark! Technocapable!
	🤖 6:00pm Handy Haversack: And also hello, Mark and the Techyon Particles!
	🤖 6:01pm Bas NL: Hi Mark! Hi happy webbers!
	🤖 6:01pm Will thee Sound Guy: Good evening Mark Hurst and all!!!
	🤖 6:01pm Wendy del Formaggio: Mark and Techtonicals! I'm very excited for this show today. Whadda topic!
	🤖 6:02pm Wendy del Formaggio: ↳ Handy Haversack @5:39 Handy, is that from the latest issue of the print mag, too? I'm still making my way through it, and it seems like it would fit the issue's theme.
	6:03pm ultradamno: Big day for AI in the news with deep fake Biden voter suppression robocalls
	🤖 6:03pm Wendy del Formaggio: ↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:02 Also, The Baffler is a great mag and everyone should read it!
	🤖 6:04pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:02 No, it's from I want to say last summer?
	🤖 6:05pm Wendy del Formaggio: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:04 Oh right, duh. It says it right on the header to this playlist page. I also now remember reading it. I read so much that sometimes I forget everything I've read... :-D
	🤖 6:05pm Webhamster Henry: Speaking of Disability Tech, here's the AUMI book which came out this week. You heard me talk about AUMI on Techtonic back in 2018 ( wfmu.org... ) aumiapp.com...
	🤖 6:06pm Noir Lover: ABT.....Anything But Taibbi
	🤖 6:06pm tim: Hey Mark! Hello Techtonic buddies! Looking forward to tonight’s conversation!
	6:07pm Mark Hurst: Handy, ultra, Bas, Will, Wendy, Webham, Noir Lover, and tim - thanks for joining this evening!
	🤖 6:08pm tim: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:05 Whoa, cool! I love Pauline Oliveras!
	🤖 6:08pm herb.nyc: Hola. Friend told me this - Thursday, January 25th at 8pm, returning to the First Unitarian Congregational Society in Brooklyn Heights, ISSUE's 2024 Winter Season Opening welcomes sonic outlaws and multimedia collective Negativland for the NYC premiere of their work WE CAN REALLY FEEL LIKE WE'RE HERE
	6:09pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:05 Thanks for the AUMI book pointer - cool to see
	🤖 6:09pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ tim @6:08 Issues of including all people in improv groups took up a lot of the last decade or more of her life!
	🤖 6:10pm tim: My dad was a special ed teacher. When he started teaching in the mid 60s ‘special education’ students were just physically disabled.
	🤖 6:11pm Wendy del Formaggio: I love the reminder, "Everyone is only temporarily disabled." True story.
	6:11pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:11 yes - temporarily abled
	🤖 6:11pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:11 well, temporarily abled that is!
	🤖 6:11pm Wendy del Formaggio: ↳ tim @6:10 Also, non-white and poor, depending on the district.
	🤖 6:11pm tim: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:09 People talk about inclusivity but Pauline walked the walk!
	🤖 6:12pm David (in London): Evening Msrk and all Technoids.
	🤖 6:12pm Wendy del Formaggio: ↳ Mark Hurst @6:11 D'OH! That's what I meant to write. Haha, thanks, friends, for correcting me.
	🤖 6:12pm MarciB: Our nephew needs to hear this (he's 27 with spina bifida) but alas...all he'll listen to is Blink 125 or whatever they are called.
	6:12pm Mark Hurst: ↳ David (in London) @6:12 hi DiL! thanks for joining
	🤖 6:13pm tim: ↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:11 True, that seems to still be the case today.
	🤖 6:13pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ tim @6:11 Indeed - one of her last projects was a concert for the deaf and hard of hearing in a bigg empty swimming pool in Norway!
	6:15pm yippie: A lot of cops in America are the ones who park illegally all the time blocking sidewalks bike lanes and disabled people’s areas. They let other people park illegally all the time in Brooklyn. I know in some areas of Manhattan the traffic cops watch cars like a hawk to give parking tickets.
	🤖 6:17pm DjLorraine: Myalgic encephalomyelitis. It's had better names in the past.
	🤖 6:18pm Wendy del Formaggio: @yippie: HellGateNYC does a lot of coverage on NYPD's traffic misdeeds. Here's one story to get you started: hellgatenyc.com...
	🤖 6:18pm tim: At the university building I work in I started seeing signage for ‘Crip Studies’. I couldn’t figure out what it meant so I looked it up. Crip Studies is the intersection of Disability Studies and Queer Studies.
	🤖 6:18pm Webhamster Henry: My one legged friend Ana didn't park in disabled spaces or have one of those dangling tags in her car. "Well, I'm not disabled!" she'd say. She was very quick on her crutches!
	🤖 6:21pm Wendy del Formaggio: I love that she just explained "below-knee" versus "bologna." I laughed out loud at that one!
	🤖 6:22pm Webhamster Henry: The Guthman Musical Instrument prize candidates dropped this week, there are often assistive tech projects among these: guthman.gatech.edu...
	6:22pm ledzeppelinsucks: 'world class' means deluxe
	🤖 6:23pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:18 And they link frequently to Streets Blog NYC: nyc.streetsblog.org
	🤖 6:24pm DjLorraine: ↳ DjLorraine @6:17 Dr Ron Davis found MS antibodies. And ME that leads to EDS shortens the life span.
	🤖 6:25pm Handy Haversack: And in the United States, diabetes amputations are wildly disproportionately performed on Black people.
	6:25pm castor: Hi Mark! This reminds me of what I've read about transhumanism, they take this condescending attitude and apply it to humans bodies in general, that to be made of mortal flesh itself is a "disability" that they want to "evolve" beyond.
	🤖 6:26pm Webhamster Henry: A "six million dollar man" would get you a nice cyber ankle these days.
	🤖 6:29pm Webhamster Henry: I like how new Marvel hero ECHO is a native American deaf amputee played by a native American deaf amputee.
	🤖 6:29pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:25 features.propublica.org...
	6:29pm ultradamno: In recent years, I've noticed a couple (literally two, Zyra Gorecki in La Brea and Ruth Codd in Midnight Club/Fall Of The House Of Usher) of amputee actresses on television. A line, not yet a pattern, but a good thing.
	6:30pm Mark Hurst: ↳ castor @6:25 Good point, castor. Transhumanism came up a bit on the show with Sasha Stiles, author of "Technelegy" - see the "truths of Terasem": www.wfmu.org...
	6:31pm Orthofrancis: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:25 I've done several hundred amputations for tumors/diabetes. Unfortunately being overweight significantly increases your chance of diabetes, which often can lead to amputations. Unfortunately , many of the same pts have a hard time affording their diabetes meds, or are non-compliant.
	6:32pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Orthofrancis @6:31 Thanks for weighing in, @Orthofrancis
	🤖 6:33pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Orthofrancis @6:31 That must be hard to witness.
	🤖 6:33pm tim: ↳ Mark Hurst @6:30 I’m a pretty tolerant guy. Live the lifestyle that makes you feel like a human. Transhumanism is where my tolerance ends.
	6:35pm Orthofrancis: I take the approach that the infected diabetic leg, or cancer is going to kill them, and their leg isn't worth their life, so I give them that chance. The little kids are tough though, but thankfully we can save about 95% of the limbs from cancer.
	🤖 6:35pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Orthofrancis @6:31 Seems like the Amputation Reduction and Compassion Act of 2020 has not progressed in Congress? I guess that should not be a surprise.
	6:37pm Orthofrancis: That mostly covers diabetes. A significant amount of the amps I do are from nicotine use (peripheral vascular disease).
	🤖 6:37pm tim: What does a dongle do? Serious question. I know the term but never learned what it means.
	🤖 6:38pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Orthofrancis @6:37 Yikes. I'm about to hit eight years from quitting smoking.
	6:38pm Orthofrancis: Dongle is typically a little thing plugged into a USB port for a wireless mouse, or some other connection
	6:38pm Mark Hurst: ↳ tim @6:37 I might get to this in my comments. Basically a physical DRM tool - "plug this in to prove you have the software license"
	6:38pm Orthofrancis: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:38 remember - nicotine (vaping, chewing, patches) still has the same effect
	🤖 6:39pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Song: "Interview with Ashley Shew" Maybe we shouldn't have entrusted space exploration to military people?
	🤖 6:39pm tim: ↳ Orthofrancis @6:38 Thanks, ortho and Mark!
	6:39pm castor: ↳ tim @6:33 I do appreciate Donna Haraway's cyborg feminism tho, that sees a certain kind of liberation in transhumanism, but I feel like that's a minority of the movement.
	🤖 6:39pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Orthofrancis @6:38 Oh, I don't trust myself to be exposed to it at all! Even gave away the nice pipes I'd been gifted over the years. Quitting was insanely hard. I don't think I could manage it again.
	6:39pm Orthofrancis: Nicotine also slows down bone healing and single cigs can increase infection rates. Ok - that's the end of the orthopedics course for today - sorry
	🤖 6:40pm Webhamster Henry: Ostomie bags also need gravity.
	6:40pm chris in the redwoods: in my DEI training at work, i've seen how disabled people and cognitively divergent people make great problem solvers. its what they do all day every day. hi, Mark and folks. enjoying the interview.
	🤖 6:40pm Wendy del Formaggio: Okay, I've just learned a lot about pooping in space, and I want to know more. It's also a great name for an album.
	6:40pm Mark Hurst: ↳ chris in the redwoods @6:40 thanks, chris
	🤖 6:41pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:40 <muppets> POOPS IN SPAAAAAAAAACE </muppets>
	🤖 6:41pm Wendy del Formaggio: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:38 Thank you for quitting smoking, say those of us who want to keep you around. :-)
	🤖 6:41pm tim: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:39 You’re a Quitter, Handy! Keep it up!
	🤖 6:42pm Wendy del Formaggio: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:41 :-D :-D :-D
	🤖 6:42pm Webhamster Henry: A main thrust of my dormant Haptician project is making ways to sense motion/sound without using electronics or batteries. haptician.org Nice pic of Dr. Oliveros hugging a balloon there.
	🤖 6:42pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:41 You can pry my rhinoceros wrestling out of my cold, dead hands!
	6:46pm Dean: It isn't that our health can fail. It will fail. When folks do a quick run-down of varieties of disability, I always want to include neurodiversity, which might or might not be a disability per se, but is worth keeping in mind.
	🤖 6:46pm tim: Thanks, Ashley! Great interview and topic tonight!
	6:46pm Dean: Mr. Prog himself!
	6:46pm chris in the redwoods: DJ IDC gets his prawg on. :)
	6:47pm ultradamno: One thing to keep in mind with the going into space is that the person would have to not have any loss of bone density issues...that being an impact of being in a weightless environment for extended periods itself.
	6:48pm chris in the redwoods: we need those exoskeletons to find aliens, Mark! haven't you seen the movie????
	6:48pm P-90: Irwin? Fine. Thankfully not another Ken fill in…
	6:48pm chris in the redwoods: *fight aliens... sheesh
	🤖 6:49pm Webhamster Henry: Thanks for the clicks, Mark!
	🤖 6:49pm Handy Haversack: ↳ chris in the redwoods @6:48 Whose side are you on?!
	🤖 6:49pm tim: I’m a little emotionally thin skinned. Will an exoskeleton help me become resistant to criticism?
	🤖 6:50pm Handy Haversack: ↳ tim @6:49 You need an exegesis skeleton.
	6:50pm chris in the redwoods: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:49 i feel conflicted, tbh.
	🤖 6:51pm tim: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:50 Oh yeah, so obvious now!
	🤖 6:51pm Webhamster Henry: I consider myself disabled in that I can't see in the infra red and ultra violet like so many other animals, or hear up to 80Khz.
	🤖 6:51pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:51 I can't even figure out which muscle to flex to get my butt to light up!
	6:52pm ultradamno: Well, the idea that you can transfer yourself, your consciousness online...it's not you going on any more than a clone would be.
	6:52pm Mi-rgod: Flightless since birth, sadly
	🤖 6:53pm PaulRobeson1924: “Cyber Nugget intake” port
	🤖 6:53pm Folsom: We used serial port dongles for licensing back in the day.
	🤖 6:53pm Will thee Sound Guy: like a HASP or Sentinel key
	🤖 6:53pm Wendy del Formaggio: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:51 That could prove challenging when you need to poop in space.
	6:53pm lazy rider: SCSI, ‘scuzzy’ ports.
	🤖 6:54pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:53 Go for burn!
	6:54pm ledzeppelinsucks: PCMCIA was the credit card size slot and there was scsi or scuzzy which was a chain of jumpers
	6:54pm ms boo: I still have a dongle for my job! Video editing on Avid software.
	6:54pm Dean: "Well intended, elegant, useless"...Apple!
	🤖 6:55pm DjLorraine: Capitalistic real estate vs. ramps
	🤖 6:56pm Folsom: I have a USB dongle in my computer for licensing some software.
	🤖 6:56pm Will thee Sound Guy: designers hit their heads into walls too often
	6:56pm Mike in Crown Heights: There’s a whole lot more profit to be had in stair climbers
	🤖 6:56pm tim: The inclined plain is a simple machine, can’t argue with that!
	6:56pm Dean: Berkeley was (at least one) ground zero for disability rights, e.g., curb cut-outs.
	6:57pm bleubombersune: Mark, thanks
	🤖 6:57pm Noir Lover: Great show Mark
	🤖 6:57pm Will thee Sound Guy: but non disabled people can't walk on a ramp.,. that's crazy talk
	🤖 6:57pm Wendy del Formaggio: Another great show. Thanks, Mark!
	🤖 6:57pm Handy Haversack: Thanks, Mark! Thanks, Ashley! Really good.
	🤖 6:57pm tim: Thanks, Mark!!!
	6:58pm chris in the redwoods: great show, Mark. much thanks to you and Ashley Shew.
	🤖 6:58pm Webhamster Henry: Yes - a big problem with tech fixes is how unstable the ecosystem of tech is that is required to make them work. One more reason to go with my balloon sensing solutions....
	🤖 6:58pm Will thee Sound Guy: Thank you Mark, Ashley, and all!!!
	6:58pm P-90: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:59pm chresti: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:59pm Wendy del Formaggio: Requesting this book from my local library in 3...2...1...
	6:59pm Alexis: This guy is nuts . lol
	🤖 7:00pm Noir Lover: ↳ Song: "Kill the Internet" by "Sweat Enzo" Digital God would like a word
	🤖 7:00pm Webhamster Henry: I met a young chair user who was working up a solution to the problem that those ADA-open-the-door buttons you see are often hard for the chair bound to push!
	🤖 7:01pm Wendy del Formaggio: ↳ Webhamster Henry @7:00 They're also sometimes hard for those of us who don't use wheelchairs to use. And I have decent upper-body strength from years of carrying big heavy cheeses.
	7:02pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone!

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