WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from May 6, 2024

Listener comments!
	5:56pm ultradamno: Mark! Techtolgrims!
	🤖 6:01pm Wendy del Formaggio: Hey Mark! Hey friends!
	6:01pm malĥerbo (nl): Hi! Mark! Techdinges!
	🤖 6:02pm chresti: Hi Mark and techtonians!
	6:03pm Dean: I got a bright idea! Wendy played a track from this on her show that just ended: https://markshreeve-tributealbum.bandcamp.com/album/berlin-a-tribute-album-for-mark-shreeve Some of this would be terrific Techtonic bed music!
	6:04pm Triple G: Hi Mark and SuperTonics
	6:04pm melinda: howdy!
	🤖 6:05pm Handy Haversack: Mark! Techyons!
	🤖 6:05pm MarciB: Hello Mark + all. Looking forward to this episode!
	6:06pm Triple G: Just yesterday I saw this book in the window at a famed bookstore in the North Beach area of SF
	🤖 6:06pm MarciB: I wonder if the authors are going to discuss how big tech wants us all to clone ourselves...I just read a newsletter from a biz coach who just did that with the help of Delphi AI
	6:07pm Jim the Poet: But I don't want to be a colony!
	🤖 6:07pm Handy Haversack: Colonialism has never left because it was the formative stage of extractive capitalism -- which big tech is the ultimate(?) expression of -- ultimate in the sense of last, too, it seems, as their rate of extraction should neatly doom us, workers and capitalists both, relatively quickly if left unchecked. Let's get to checking!
	6:07pm P.Welles: Transhumanistic the last frontier.
	🤖 6:10pm Handy Haversack: A scholarly publisher -- classy choice, Mark!
	🤖 6:12pm newton: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:10 hmm, it's available on Amazon.
	🤖 6:13pm Handy Haversack: ↳ newton @6:12 And from responsible sources, too.
	🤖 6:13pm Will thee SG OCNY: Hi Mark Hurst and all!!!
	6:13pm Triple G: ↳ newton @6:12 At least the publisher is (and that link here in the playlist leads to) The University of Chicago Press
	🤖 6:14pm Handy Haversack: bookshop.org... press.uchicago.edu... shop.wordbookstores.com...
	6:14pm San Pedro Girl: ↳ Triple G @6:06 I think it is the only book store in North Beach.
	6:14pm Mark Hurst: @ultra, @wendy, @malĥerbo, @Chresti, @Dean, @TripleG, @Handy, @Marci, @Jim, @P.W, @WtSG, @SanPedroGirl - welcome to all of you!
	6:15pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:10 Nicely researched book!
	6:15pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Jim the Poet @6:07 too late, Jim
	🤖 6:15pm newton: ↳ Triple G @6:13 yes, I saw. Also on Abe books (which is amazon) but another edition from a different international publisher, it says largely the same content...
	6:15pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Dean @6:03 will take a listen, thanks
	6:16pm Jim the Poet: ↳ Mark Hurst @6:15 uh oh I better get the Very Short Introduction to Being a Colony
	6:16pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Jim the Poet @6:16 Already published under the title "Google's Terms and Conditions"
	🤖 6:17pm DjLorraine: I've been looking forward to this show. Hello.
	🤖 6:17pm Handy Haversack: "The people most affected ... tend to be the same populations most affected by historical colonialism" is so key. It's the key to all of it. Colonialism and capitalism ONLY WORK by this process of the creation of the oppressed population of workers. And by dividing that population against itself. Recapitulated every day in the actions of big tech. I like this book already, Mark.
	6:18pm Mark Hurst: ↳ DjLorraine @6:17 Welcome, @DjLorraine!
	6:18pm P.Welles: Mark, and crew, my gate way into these topics was 4 arguments for the the Elimination of Television by Jerry Mander.
	6:21pm Marie in Chicago: This is great. Thank you, Mark, Ulises, and Nick.
	6:24pm P-90: I remember Jerry Mander! How many years ago was that…?
	6:25pm coelacanth∅: "ai missionaries" replacing the traditional arrogant scum known as "missionaries".
	6:25pm P.Welles: 1978
	🤖 6:26pm tim: Hey Mark and everyone!
	6:26pm Ciggy: Mark Swimming the same deep water as you is hard "The shallow drowned lose less than we"
	6:26pm Enflod: Hi Mark. Yet another reason to check out God Human Animal Machine by Meghan O'Gieblyn—she talks a lot about transhumanism and the parallels with religion. www.penguinrandomhouse.com...
	6:26pm P-90: (rhetorical question but thanks)
	6:27pm Marie in Chicago: Ur gonna be able to get yer perfect lattes delivered by small airborne devices 5 seconds after you place the order using your mind...
	6:28pm Marie in Chicago: Corporations have been buying water rights in South America for years and it just happened in Arizona
	6:28pm Jim in MA: Hi Mark and techtonians! Ready for a tech-tastic time?
	🤖 6:28pm newton: ↳ Marie in Chicago @6:27 I make coffee at home
	6:29pm P.Welles: Not for politics but Dugin just talked about this state.
	6:29pm listener 126464: Seems like NJ commercial real estate is having a data center boom also.
	🤖 6:30pm herb.nyc: This is a good talk on how tech is parasitic but it claims to be beneficial. Wait, mark has been saying such for past 5,6 yrs (aside- I went to SUNY Binghamton for college. We were the Colonials. I’ll bet it’s been changed)
	6:31pm morphe': Good older film about water in colonized places = tambien la lluvias..
	6:31pm Marie in Chicago: People want to believe in the good faith of corporations--fools!
	🤖 6:32pm Deano de los Muertos: Hey Mark and everyone…interesting show, as always
	6:32pm Marie in Chicago: The American right wants to give corporations carte blanche
	6:33pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Deano de los Muertos @6:32 Thanks, Deano
	🤖 6:33pm Will thee SG OCNY: ↳ Marie in Chicago @6:31 Most corporations want the public to think that they are good...
	6:34pm Marie in Chicago: ↳ Marie in Chicago @6:32 partially because some actually believe it is constructive, partially because that is where the money for campaigning and lobbying come from
	6:34pm P.Welles: WFMU think tank
	6:35pm Marie in Chicago: ↳ Will thee SG OCNY @6:33 yeah--PR
	6:36pm Marie in Chicago: ↳ Marie in Chicago @6:34 oh, and then there's all the anti-government rhetoric
	6:36pm traven: ↳ Marie in Chicago @6:34 Money and politics have always been intertwined - sad but true.
	6:37pm Marie in Chicago: ↳ traven @6:36 Yeah and the laws governing that have varied here in the US and they have been greatly weakened in the last 30 years, in large part by the Supreme Court
	🤖 6:38pm DjLorraine: In grade school I did a report on the my city's water quality and source. I'm on team fresh water.
	6:39pm Jim in MA: Tech industry's ethics are a hot topic, folks! Discuss away!
	6:39pm morphe': ↳ Will thee SG OCNY @6:33 A year or 2 after the Vadez oil spill Exxon became THE or one of the main sponsers of Earth Day
	🤖 6:39pm newton: the thing we are doing online is not the data they are grabbing. It is like the spike on a virus that allows it entry, the data, like the spike are not the goal they are the passe partout that gives them every keystroke and the time and what other apps you use and yout enabled extensions, how you pay what else you look at, your whole fingerprint and activity.
	6:41pm P.Welles: ↳ morphe' @6:39 people dont know that stuff. and WWF oil interestes.
	6:41pm Dean: ChatGPT could not tell me that belongng ...is a misspelling.
	6:42pm Dean: Or was it Claude...?
	🤖 6:42pm DjLorraine: At the sign of the double cross.
	🤖 6:43pm tim: I get an email once a month that reports to me how my 2nd grade daughter is using the internet at school. I don’t look at it. It goes straight into the virtual toilet which ends up in the virtual East River.
	🤖 6:43pm Handy Haversack: ↳ tim @6:43 Hey! I gotta virtual swim there!
	🤖 6:43pm newton: ↳ tim @6:43 who skims the virtual east river for the data?
	🤖 6:45pm herb.nyc: I heard “activist”. The people at c4aa.org are real good
	6:45pm traven: ↳ newton @6:43 Those who are very brave or very foolish.
	🤖 6:45pm Handy Haversack: Ditch your phones. And your platforms. You will NOT be popular. At least not yet.
	🤖 6:46pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hi, Mark and Teccies. My usual assignment was cancelled tonight, but then I had to cut the grass.
	🤖 6:46pm tim: ↳ newton @6:43 Alright you weisenheimers!
	🤖 6:46pm newton: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:45 we are here on a platform now
	6:47pm Marie in Chicago: I saw an article (I think in the Guardian) recently that said that a lot of younger peeps are opting for non-smart phones
	6:47pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Enflod @6:26 SCREEN NEW DEAL Under Cover of Mass Death, Andrew Cuomo Calls in the Billionaires to Build a High-Tech Dystopia May 8, 2020 by Naomi Klein theintercept.com...
	🤖 6:47pm newton: ↳ tim @6:46 Im not a weisenheimer, I have no answers, only questions, and others assk better questions that I do
	6:47pm hoeg: i've been told the "fun" part of chatgpt is trying to trick it into telling you things it's not supposed to, good luck with that...
	🤖 6:48pm newton: ↳ Marie in Chicago @6:47 I saw that too, notable that they are even making new phones that aren't smart phones
	6:49pm mackeral: great interview, thanks Mark
	6:49pm P.Welles: ↳ newton @6:46 love this show. too bad its internet and not together.
	6:49pm Jim in MA: Hope everyone's navigating tech's ethical maze smoothly. Keep going!
	🤖 6:49pm Handy Haversack: But Google Classroom is really entrenched the BOE in NYC. It's seriously depressing. And what often gets ignored in all the righteous ire about platform capture and data theft and all the underlying problems is that the actual products? They SUCK! Gmail? Google Search? Google CLASSROOM?! These are terrible, time-wasting programs that in no wise provide the services their users actually need. My god, big tech is so overweening right now that they know they can keep giving us the dog food with the oil on it, and we'll just keep asking for more.
	6:50pm P-90: thanks!
	🤖 6:50pm tim: I’m gonna get more Mandl then I can handle on Thursday when I see his group Emergency Group!
	🤖 6:51pm newton: ↳ tim @6:50 details?
	🤖 6:52pm chresti: City of LA has sold it's soul to the google that's replacing the old payroll system
	🤖 6:53pm tim: Im in central Illinois. Emergency Group is playing a show at Reverberation Vinyl in Bloomington IL. Emergency Group is doing a Midwest tour. I’m pretty dang excited!
	🤖 6:53pm DjLorraine: ↳ Marie in Chicago @6:28 I remember that from the past.
	6:53pm P-90: That is def a witty and more-true-than-not definition of “dystopian fiction”
	🤖 6:54pm newton: ↳ tim @6:53 cool!, My nephew is ther at IU, I'll tellhima bout it! thanx
	6:54pm Dean: I read "people with privilege" as "people with excessive privilege." We want people to enjoy privilege! I think we need to be careful about expressing sentiments against privilege at the expense of people who could stand to enjoy some.
	6:55pm P.Welles: servers are the enemy.
	6:55pm hoeg: if only the new Dune would explain how humans had to declare jihad on AI many centuries before the events of the book could happen
	🤖 6:56pm tim: ↳ newton @6:54 Yes! Please do! It’s a free show. Donations appreciated. It’s going to be a stellar show. If he goes, tell him to look for me. I’ll wear a WFMU shirt.
	🤖 6:56pm newton: ↳ tim @6:56 will do!
	6:57pm bleubombersune: Mark Thanks
	🤖 6:57pm Handy Haversack: Thanks, Mark! This was a humdinger! Thanks, Ulises, Nick!
	6:57pm listener 126464: Thank you, Mark & guests.
	🤖 6:58pm newton: thank you Mark!
	6:58pm San Pedro Girl: Thank you, Mark.
	🤖 6:58pm chresti: Thanks Mark!
	6:59pm P-90: It’s one of the great elegant strokes of the world Herbert created, it’s better if the Butlerian Jihad is a fact in the past, and the details of how it might have happened are up to our imagination
	6:59pm hoeg: thanks Mark your commitment to spreading this information is inspiring :)
	7:00pm Jim in MA: Let's chat about the intriguing world of dystopian fiction.
	7:16pm joe_rosevear: Hello, all! I'm sad that I missed the show. I'll catch the podcast. I was busy programming--making simple tool to manage calendar and howto information in Linux.
	12:30am joe_rosevear: I listened to the podcast, and here is my reaction: Yes it does sound like trouble, but it is more of the same baloney we've been eating since almost the creation of the PC. I quit using Windows in about 2005 by switching to Linux. Switching to Linux was hard, but worth it. I know most people don't consider that to be an option. But think about it. You're either part of the solution or part of the problem.

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from May 6, 2024

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Listener comments!
	5:56pm ultradamno: Mark! Techtolgrims!
	🤖 6:01pm Wendy del Formaggio: Hey Mark! Hey friends!
	6:01pm malĥerbo (nl): Hi! Mark! Techdinges!
	🤖 6:02pm chresti: Hi Mark and techtonians!
	6:03pm Dean: I got a bright idea! Wendy played a track from this on her show that just ended: https://markshreeve-tributealbum.bandcamp.com/album/berlin-a-tribute-album-for-mark-shreeve Some of this would be terrific Techtonic bed music!
	6:04pm Triple G: Hi Mark and SuperTonics
	6:04pm melinda: howdy!
	🤖 6:05pm Handy Haversack: Mark! Techyons!
	🤖 6:05pm MarciB: Hello Mark + all. Looking forward to this episode!
	6:06pm Triple G: Just yesterday I saw this book in the window at a famed bookstore in the North Beach area of SF
	🤖 6:06pm MarciB: I wonder if the authors are going to discuss how big tech wants us all to clone ourselves...I just read a newsletter from a biz coach who just did that with the help of Delphi AI
	6:07pm Jim the Poet: But I don't want to be a colony!
	🤖 6:07pm Handy Haversack: Colonialism has never left because it was the formative stage of extractive capitalism -- which big tech is the ultimate(?) expression of -- ultimate in the sense of last, too, it seems, as their rate of extraction should neatly doom us, workers and capitalists both, relatively quickly if left unchecked. Let's get to checking!
	6:07pm P.Welles: Transhumanistic the last frontier.
	🤖 6:10pm Handy Haversack: A scholarly publisher -- classy choice, Mark!
	🤖 6:12pm newton: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:10 hmm, it's available on Amazon.
	🤖 6:13pm Handy Haversack: ↳ newton @6:12 And from responsible sources, too.
	🤖 6:13pm Will thee SG OCNY: Hi Mark Hurst and all!!!
	6:13pm Triple G: ↳ newton @6:12 At least the publisher is (and that link here in the playlist leads to) The University of Chicago Press
	🤖 6:14pm Handy Haversack: bookshop.org... press.uchicago.edu... shop.wordbookstores.com...
	6:14pm San Pedro Girl: ↳ Triple G @6:06 I think it is the only book store in North Beach.
	6:14pm Mark Hurst: @ultra, @wendy, @malĥerbo, @Chresti, @Dean, @TripleG, @Handy, @Marci, @Jim, @P.W, @WtSG, @SanPedroGirl - welcome to all of you!
	6:15pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:10 Nicely researched book!
	6:15pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Jim the Poet @6:07 too late, Jim
	🤖 6:15pm newton: ↳ Triple G @6:13 yes, I saw. Also on Abe books (which is amazon) but another edition from a different international publisher, it says largely the same content...
	6:15pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Dean @6:03 will take a listen, thanks
	6:16pm Jim the Poet: ↳ Mark Hurst @6:15 uh oh I better get the Very Short Introduction to Being a Colony
	6:16pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Jim the Poet @6:16 Already published under the title "Google's Terms and Conditions"
	🤖 6:17pm DjLorraine: I've been looking forward to this show. Hello.
	🤖 6:17pm Handy Haversack: "The people most affected ... tend to be the same populations most affected by historical colonialism" is so key. It's the key to all of it. Colonialism and capitalism ONLY WORK by this process of the creation of the oppressed population of workers. And by dividing that population against itself. Recapitulated every day in the actions of big tech. I like this book already, Mark.
	6:18pm Mark Hurst: ↳ DjLorraine @6:17 Welcome, @DjLorraine!
	6:18pm P.Welles: Mark, and crew, my gate way into these topics was 4 arguments for the the Elimination of Television by Jerry Mander.
	6:21pm Marie in Chicago: This is great. Thank you, Mark, Ulises, and Nick.
	6:24pm P-90: I remember Jerry Mander! How many years ago was that…?
	6:25pm coelacanth∅: "ai missionaries" replacing the traditional arrogant scum known as "missionaries".
	6:25pm P.Welles: 1978
	🤖 6:26pm tim: Hey Mark and everyone!
	6:26pm Ciggy: Mark Swimming the same deep water as you is hard "The shallow drowned lose less than we"
	6:26pm Enflod: Hi Mark. Yet another reason to check out God Human Animal Machine by Meghan O'Gieblyn—she talks a lot about transhumanism and the parallels with religion. www.penguinrandomhouse.com...
	6:26pm P-90: (rhetorical question but thanks)
	6:27pm Marie in Chicago: Ur gonna be able to get yer perfect lattes delivered by small airborne devices 5 seconds after you place the order using your mind...
	6:28pm Marie in Chicago: Corporations have been buying water rights in South America for years and it just happened in Arizona
	6:28pm Jim in MA: Hi Mark and techtonians! Ready for a tech-tastic time?
	🤖 6:28pm newton: ↳ Marie in Chicago @6:27 I make coffee at home
	6:29pm P.Welles: Not for politics but Dugin just talked about this state.
	6:29pm listener 126464: Seems like NJ commercial real estate is having a data center boom also.
	🤖 6:30pm herb.nyc: This is a good talk on how tech is parasitic but it claims to be beneficial. Wait, mark has been saying such for past 5,6 yrs (aside- I went to SUNY Binghamton for college. We were the Colonials. I’ll bet it’s been changed)
	6:31pm morphe': Good older film about water in colonized places = tambien la lluvias..
	6:31pm Marie in Chicago: People want to believe in the good faith of corporations--fools!
	🤖 6:32pm Deano de los Muertos: Hey Mark and everyone…interesting show, as always
	6:32pm Marie in Chicago: The American right wants to give corporations carte blanche
	6:33pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Deano de los Muertos @6:32 Thanks, Deano
	🤖 6:33pm Will thee SG OCNY: ↳ Marie in Chicago @6:31 Most corporations want the public to think that they are good...
	6:34pm Marie in Chicago: ↳ Marie in Chicago @6:32 partially because some actually believe it is constructive, partially because that is where the money for campaigning and lobbying come from
	6:34pm P.Welles: WFMU think tank
	6:35pm Marie in Chicago: ↳ Will thee SG OCNY @6:33 yeah--PR
	6:36pm Marie in Chicago: ↳ Marie in Chicago @6:34 oh, and then there's all the anti-government rhetoric
	6:36pm traven: ↳ Marie in Chicago @6:34 Money and politics have always been intertwined - sad but true.
	6:37pm Marie in Chicago: ↳ traven @6:36 Yeah and the laws governing that have varied here in the US and they have been greatly weakened in the last 30 years, in large part by the Supreme Court
	🤖 6:38pm DjLorraine: In grade school I did a report on the my city's water quality and source. I'm on team fresh water.
	6:39pm Jim in MA: Tech industry's ethics are a hot topic, folks! Discuss away!
	6:39pm morphe': ↳ Will thee SG OCNY @6:33 A year or 2 after the Vadez oil spill Exxon became THE or one of the main sponsers of Earth Day
	🤖 6:39pm newton: the thing we are doing online is not the data they are grabbing. It is like the spike on a virus that allows it entry, the data, like the spike are not the goal they are the passe partout that gives them every keystroke and the time and what other apps you use and yout enabled extensions, how you pay what else you look at, your whole fingerprint and activity.
	6:41pm P.Welles: ↳ morphe' @6:39 people dont know that stuff. and WWF oil interestes.
	6:41pm Dean: ChatGPT could not tell me that belongng ...is a misspelling.
	6:42pm Dean: Or was it Claude...?
	🤖 6:42pm DjLorraine: At the sign of the double cross.
	🤖 6:43pm tim: I get an email once a month that reports to me how my 2nd grade daughter is using the internet at school. I don’t look at it. It goes straight into the virtual toilet which ends up in the virtual East River.
	🤖 6:43pm Handy Haversack: ↳ tim @6:43 Hey! I gotta virtual swim there!
	🤖 6:43pm newton: ↳ tim @6:43 who skims the virtual east river for the data?
	🤖 6:45pm herb.nyc: I heard “activist”. The people at c4aa.org are real good
	6:45pm traven: ↳ newton @6:43 Those who are very brave or very foolish.
	🤖 6:45pm Handy Haversack: Ditch your phones. And your platforms. You will NOT be popular. At least not yet.
	🤖 6:46pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hi, Mark and Teccies. My usual assignment was cancelled tonight, but then I had to cut the grass.
	🤖 6:46pm tim: ↳ newton @6:43 Alright you weisenheimers!
	🤖 6:46pm newton: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:45 we are here on a platform now
	6:47pm Marie in Chicago: I saw an article (I think in the Guardian) recently that said that a lot of younger peeps are opting for non-smart phones
	6:47pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Enflod @6:26 SCREEN NEW DEAL Under Cover of Mass Death, Andrew Cuomo Calls in the Billionaires to Build a High-Tech Dystopia May 8, 2020 by Naomi Klein theintercept.com...
	🤖 6:47pm newton: ↳ tim @6:46 Im not a weisenheimer, I have no answers, only questions, and others assk better questions that I do
	6:47pm hoeg: i've been told the "fun" part of chatgpt is trying to trick it into telling you things it's not supposed to, good luck with that...
	🤖 6:48pm newton: ↳ Marie in Chicago @6:47 I saw that too, notable that they are even making new phones that aren't smart phones
	6:49pm mackeral: great interview, thanks Mark
	6:49pm P.Welles: ↳ newton @6:46 love this show. too bad its internet and not together.
	6:49pm Jim in MA: Hope everyone's navigating tech's ethical maze smoothly. Keep going!
	🤖 6:49pm Handy Haversack: But Google Classroom is really entrenched the BOE in NYC. It's seriously depressing. And what often gets ignored in all the righteous ire about platform capture and data theft and all the underlying problems is that the actual products? They SUCK! Gmail? Google Search? Google CLASSROOM?! These are terrible, time-wasting programs that in no wise provide the services their users actually need. My god, big tech is so overweening right now that they know they can keep giving us the dog food with the oil on it, and we'll just keep asking for more.
	6:50pm P-90: thanks!
	🤖 6:50pm tim: I’m gonna get more Mandl then I can handle on Thursday when I see his group Emergency Group!
	🤖 6:51pm newton: ↳ tim @6:50 details?
	🤖 6:52pm chresti: City of LA has sold it's soul to the google that's replacing the old payroll system
	🤖 6:53pm tim: Im in central Illinois. Emergency Group is playing a show at Reverberation Vinyl in Bloomington IL. Emergency Group is doing a Midwest tour. I’m pretty dang excited!
	🤖 6:53pm DjLorraine: ↳ Marie in Chicago @6:28 I remember that from the past.
	6:53pm P-90: That is def a witty and more-true-than-not definition of “dystopian fiction”
	🤖 6:54pm newton: ↳ tim @6:53 cool!, My nephew is ther at IU, I'll tellhima bout it! thanx
	6:54pm Dean: I read "people with privilege" as "people with excessive privilege." We want people to enjoy privilege! I think we need to be careful about expressing sentiments against privilege at the expense of people who could stand to enjoy some.
	6:55pm P.Welles: servers are the enemy.
	6:55pm hoeg: if only the new Dune would explain how humans had to declare jihad on AI many centuries before the events of the book could happen
	🤖 6:56pm tim: ↳ newton @6:54 Yes! Please do! It’s a free show. Donations appreciated. It’s going to be a stellar show. If he goes, tell him to look for me. I’ll wear a WFMU shirt.
	🤖 6:56pm newton: ↳ tim @6:56 will do!
	6:57pm bleubombersune: Mark Thanks
	🤖 6:57pm Handy Haversack: Thanks, Mark! This was a humdinger! Thanks, Ulises, Nick!
	6:57pm listener 126464: Thank you, Mark & guests.
	🤖 6:58pm newton: thank you Mark!
	6:58pm San Pedro Girl: Thank you, Mark.
	🤖 6:58pm chresti: Thanks Mark!
	6:59pm P-90: It’s one of the great elegant strokes of the world Herbert created, it’s better if the Butlerian Jihad is a fact in the past, and the details of how it might have happened are up to our imagination
	6:59pm hoeg: thanks Mark your commitment to spreading this information is inspiring :)
	7:00pm Jim in MA: Let's chat about the intriguing world of dystopian fiction.
	7:16pm joe_rosevear: Hello, all! I'm sad that I missed the show. I'll catch the podcast. I was busy programming--making simple tool to manage calendar and howto information in Linux.
	12:30am joe_rosevear: I listened to the podcast, and here is my reaction: Yes it does sound like trouble, but it is more of the same baloney we've been eating since almost the creation of the PC. I quit using Windows in about 2005 by switching to Linux. Switching to Linux was hard, but worth it. I know most people don't consider that to be an option. But think about it. You're either part of the solution or part of the problem.

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from May 6, 2024

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