WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from May 27, 2024

Listener comments!
	5:57pm ultradamno: Mark! Tectonuxes!
	🤖 6:00pm Webhamster Henry: I was in on the beginnings of Linux. Like the clean rooms that put out the rom code that turned into IBM PC clones to get around Microsoft's patents and other IP grips, Linux was made to get around the strangle hold on official Unix implementations. We're so used to free software, it's hard to imaging paying - a lot - for it. (yeas, I know you still have to pay for Windows updates and the like) there were also lots more OS choices in the Wild West days of early micro/personal computers.
	🤖 6:01pm Bas NL: Hi Mark! Hi all!
	6:02pm morphe': Plugged In ....
	🤖 6:02pm chresti: Hi Mark and tech tonics!
	🤖 6:02pm Webhamster Henry: Telling apart Linux Distros would be a good job for Machine Learning though. In fact TRAINING a Large Linux Model to build you a customized version would be great!
	🤖 6:03pm newton: HI Markum and other Fruitums
	🤖 6:03pm Ken From Hyde Park: Where's my Linux smartphone at?
	🤖 6:03pm Wendy del Formaggio: Hi Mark and everyone else!
	🤖 6:04pm Wendy del Formaggio: ↳ newton @6:03 And coconuts.
	🤖 6:04pm newton: I think the software that I use cannot run on Linux
	🤖 6:04pm PaulRobeson1924: Hi Hi Hi
	6:05pm malĥerbo (nl): Hi Mark! (and all)
	🤖 6:05pm newton: ↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:04 yes, & them
	6:05pm hoeg: good evening folks, # apt install freedom :D
	6:05pm Deb from California: Hi
	6:06pm dale: what system is running on amiga?
	🤖 6:06pm Webhamster Henry: Actually, it's call MacOS now.
	6:07pm joe_rosevear: Hello, Techies!
	6:07pm dano59: Henry: I thought Gates & Allen were OK with clones if it meant the proliferation/global use of their MS software. I’d almost prefer that (as a socialist) to Apple’s proprietary shtuff - if only Apple’s design wasn’t the more elegant. The Windows GUI is a paste-on over DOS to emulate the Mac OS
	6:07pm ness: Linux for the win. Who else is running it?
	6:07pm Dean: Is it still the case that one can run Linux on very old (10, 15 years or more) machines?
	6:08pm joe_rosevear: Sure, I use Slackware Linux!
	6:08pm Art: I've been using Linux Mint for years. I am not a computer person.
	6:08pm Deb from California: I am running Linux. (I have a "Linux tech" who helps me ... aka my husband)
	🤖 6:08pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ dale @6:06 Amigas run Amiga os, the portable non-licensed version is called AROS, there's also ApolloOS.
	🤖 6:08pm DjLorraine: Hi
	6:09pm Art: Switch to Linux -- get off the grid of corporate computing!
	6:09pm dale: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:08 i knew you could enlighten.
	6:10pm Dean: I'm with dano59, except that I do not find Apple elegant in any way. I tried to run Linux (an Ubuntu distro) on the laptop I used in law school...which was '01-'04. Didn't give it fair time and attention. The frog-in-water scenario is a myth, by the way.
	🤖 6:10pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ dale @6:09 I use the Amiga Emulator UAE on my Mac, specifically FS-UAE!
	🤖 6:10pm newton: boil a frog with the lid on the pot
	6:10pm dale: ↳ dale @6:09 can you run it on anything other than an old commodore?
	6:10pm Fuzzy: uname -r 6.6.31-2-MANJARO
	6:11pm dale: oh - beat me to it.
	🤖 6:11pm tim: Howdy Mark! I’m not a techie. I like it dumb. I’m gonna stick with it and learn!
	6:11pm sim_mobile: The important thing about Linux is the GPL, a copyleft rather than a copyright license.
	6:11pm Dean: Even if it does get technical, stick with it!
	🤖 6:11pm chresti: My son is familiar with Linux
	6:12pm Dean: Yes, tim!
	6:12pm ultradamno: Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result being the definition of anything but practice is also a myth
	6:12pm Deb from California: I love two things about Linux ... (1) You do not pay for the software ... you, of course, need to buy equipment. (But, an "OLD" Windows computer it "more than enough" to run Linux. AND (2) I have NEVER gotten any malware or viruses using Linux.
	6:12pm joe_rosevear: Actually, Dale, it doesn't run on the Commodore. I run it on a PC, but it also runs on the Raspberry Pi.
	🤖 6:12pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:10 UAE though needs the original kickstarter images... which you can get from www.amigaforever.com
	6:12pm Listener Robert: I used to use Linux, but am not currently running it. Back when I was, though, I got a phone call from a scammer from "Microsoft Technical Support" who said I was generating error messages they would try to get me to fix. When I told them truthfully that the screens they thought would come up when I followed their directions did not, he got a supervisor on the line. When I said I wasn't using Windows, he gave me instructions for MacIntosh. When I told him no, I was running Linux, he said, "Fuck you!" and hung up.
	🤖 6:13pm Bas NL: I am programming loads in vb.net. So it's Windows to me.
	🤖 6:13pm zachary: If anyone needs help with Linux, let me know. Long time supporter, advocate, and user.
	6:13pm winston legthigh: chrestikins!
	6:14pm Christina in Canada: I'm so glad I happened upon this. I am running Ubuntu 20.0.4, interested in gentle tutorials to deGoogle, upgrade or switch Os, et cetera
	6:14pm malĥerbo (nl): Linux Mint here (on a fairly old MacBook).
	🤖 6:14pm Webhamster Henry: The best is to use the embedded Linuxes in Internet Things.
	🤖 6:14pm zachary: ↳ malĥerbo (nl) @6:14 Excellent. I have Debian, Ubuntu, and Raspbian running in our house.
	6:15pm (Process) A➡(Process) B: Hi Mark & Technocrats! I've been working with my old ASUS laptop, with Windows 8, battered as it is, and will keep hanging on to it until it meets it's imminent demise, regardless of all the bugs it succumbs to (and believe me, it does often lag BIG TIME)! However, my brother has turned me on to a "mini-server" that runs on Raspberry Pi. And I am now seriously considering buying my own.
	6:15pm Dean: My guess: Peter from Switzerland is Klaus Meine from The Scorpions. Abandon Mac and Windows, and embrace the command line.
	🤖 6:15pm zachary: I'll be back. Going to eat my pizza. ;-)
	6:15pm Mark Hurst: Hi @ultradamn, @webham, @Bas, @morphe', @chresti, @newton, @KfHP, @Wendy, @PaulR, @malĥerbo, @hoeg, @Deb, @joe_r, @dano, @ness, @Dean, @Art, @DjL, @dale, @Fuzzy, @tim, @sim_m, @Robert, @winston, @Christina, @zachary, @Process - WELCOME to all of you!
	6:15pm hoeg: @Robert glorious, a free "fuck you" with every tech call
	6:16pm sim_mobile: @(Process) A➡(Process) B You would be amazed how well your old laptop performs with Linux on it.
	🤖 6:16pm zachary: ↳ (Process) A➡(Process) B @6:15 I have a 12-year old desktop that runs great with Debian on a SSD. You could probably bring your old laptop back to life with Linux.
	6:16pm Christina in Canada: Hi Mark - I boosted on Mastodon @wfmu's post about this episode.
	🤖 6:16pm zachary: ↳ Mark Hurst @6:15 Hello Mark! I was excited for the show when Joe mentioned it this morning. Happy to help you with your Linux journey.
	6:16pm winston legthigh: ✊ mark
	6:16pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Christina in Canada @6:16 Thanks for the boost!
	6:17pm (Process) A➡(Process) B: ↳ sim_mobile @6:16 I would certainly hope so & invite the opportunity to switch over!
	6:17pm joe_rosevear: Hey, Mark! It is useful to know that Android and iOS are both derived (descended) from Linux.
	🤖 6:17pm Ken From Hyde Park: ↳ Song: "Interview with Peter" Me save world! "tar -cvf file.tar /tmp/*txt"
	6:17pm Franco Twinkie: Hey Zack!
	🤖 6:17pm Webhamster Henry: Sometimes you need OSes that are really stripped down to just what you want to use it for.
	6:17pm sim_mobile: @(Process) A➡(Process) B try loading a live Linux distro on a thumb drive, like Ubuntu or Puppy Linux. You can take it for a test drive.
	6:17pm Mark Hurst: ↳ zachary @6:16 Thanks, Zachary - I've got to find the time to start the process...
	6:18pm Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: Part of the problem is though, for corporate stuff you pretty much HAVE to use Windows.
	🤖 6:18pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:17 man tar
	6:18pm coelacanth∅: i switched my laptop to linux ubuntu ~2010 but i knew absolutely nothing about computers then...did not know the language. the installer who said he'd always be available to help me was not there at all; so after several months or a year of having no usable computer i switched back. i could work with it now, but i need to get a laptop that doesn't have physical problems.
	6:18pm joe_rosevear: ... er I think that is true. I wonder now that I said it. Does anyone out there know more about this?
	🤖 6:19pm Webhamster Henry: Chromebooks have a developer "drop into Linux" mode - at least mine does.
	6:19pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:17 I'm calling you next time I'm in that situation...
	6:20pm Fuzzy: ↳ Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜 @6:18 On the rare occasion when I need to use Windows I can run it as a guest machine in Virttualbox.
	🤖 6:20pm zachary: ↳ Mark Hurst @6:17 No worries. I'll shoot you an email. I am not sure if you know or if you discuss it in the interview, but you can also test Linux out with a live CD/USB: en.wikipedia.org... You can boot to it, check it out, test your hardware, without overwriting or installing anything.
	6:21pm Art: I'm not a programmer type. When I've had issues with Linux Mint, I searched and found Linux forum posts that give you the stuff to type in the terminal to fix things.
	🤖 6:21pm Webhamster Henry: On Windows machines, I install Cygwin and ignore the native command line commands
	🤖 6:21pm zachary: ↳ Art @6:21 That's what great with free and open source software: It's very well documented. Like cooking.
	6:22pm Listener Robert: ↳ hoeg @6:15 And that was at the end of several minutes with his underling scammer and himself, and me playing dumb all along. But I also once gave some Jehova's Witnesses the Discordian trip for about 20 minutes and got them to say they couldn't spend more time and walked away.
	🤖 6:22pm tim: Free your mind and your Linux will follow!
	6:22pm (Process) A➡(Process) B: ↳ sim_mobile @6:17 Thanks! Could you post any links to sites where I can dl?
	🤖 6:22pm zachary: ↳ Fuzzy @6:20 Yes. At least isolate your Windows usage to a virtual machine instead of an entire machine that you may use for other things.
	6:23pm Dean: No, tim. ...and your OS will follow.
	6:23pm Kathleen from JC: I’ve been Linux curious, too! I’m fed up with Windows and don’t want Apple. Thanks for this segment!
	6:23pm Enflod: But what about industry-standard software that people in those fields are required to run? Graphic designers, engineers, musicians, etc. use very specific programs. There' s no Photoshop for Linux, is there?
	🤖 6:23pm zachary: ↳ (Process) A➡(Process) B @6:22 Here's the Ubuntu link: ubuntu.com... Debian: www.debian.org... General concept: ubuntu.com...
	6:23pm sim_mobile: @(Process) A➡(Process) B like our Swiss friend says, distrowatch com
	6:23pm Mark Hurst: ↳ zachary @6:20 Wasn't aware of that, thanks
	6:24pm ?: Guess it's impossible to install Linux on an iPhone? Love the iPhone hardware, but also love the Linux idea.
	🤖 6:24pm zachary: We should have a WFMU Linux Install Fest, @Mark.
	🤖 6:24pm tim: ↳ Dean @6:23 Haha! Thanks, dean! I’m learning already!
	6:25pm Listener Robert: I've configured a couple of computers dual-boot, Windows and Linux, because it was most convenient for me then. I configured the file system so one of them could read the whole disc.
	🤖 6:25pm newton: ↳ Enflod @6:23 I have windows PC specifially for am engineering program, I use that PC for nothing else.
	🤖 6:25pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ Enflod @6:23 There's the GIMP fot image editing, but you're not going to get all those kewl Photoshop plugins or subscriptions. others: alternativeto.net...
	6:25pm Mark Hurst: ↳ @6:24 That's a good question - unfortunately I don't think there's any way to get Linux onto an iPhone.
	6:26pm Dean: PopOS? No. In my hood, popos = the police.
	6:26pm Fuzzy: Linux Mint is a very good and popular distro for first-timers.
	6:27pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:21 but that's the kind of instruction that made it impossible for me to use linux, over a decade ago. people use phrases that mean nothing to most people and often don't even know of another way to phrase it! the guy who installed linux for me would say things like "native command line" and was incapable of rephrasing it in english. i had no choice but to give up. (even now, even though i can figure out almost everything that i need to now, i still don't know what a "native command line" is)
	6:27pm sim_mobile: @? Smartphones are locked down, in general. Further, Linux on phones isn't as mature as Linux on workstations.
	6:27pm Enflod: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:25 The problem isn't features—theoretically, at least, one could create a program that does everything Photohop does. The issue is, no one else in the industry will be able to work with the files. If I'm a graphic designer laying out a magazine, no one else will be able to edit my document.
	🤖 6:27pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ @6:24 Hehe I jailbroke my iPhone gen 1 and installed the POSIX command line suite and I could telnet - I think even ssh - INTO my iPhone so I could write apps. But when apps were allowed a year later, I decided to go with the "challenge of legitimacy". But iOS is really streamlined for the crazy hardware in iOS devices.
	6:27pm Art: ↳ Enflod @6:23 There are free open-source approximations/equivalents for most programs. And you can often (not always) save as different file formats that work in Windows.
	🤖 6:28pm Will thee SG OCNY: Good Evening Mark Hurst and all!!!
	6:28pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Will thee SG OCNY @6:28 Welcome, Will!
	6:29pm luca: I was an avid Linux user...until...I tried to make my newly bought mouse work with my computer...took years before I got hold of the right driver.
	🤖 6:29pm Will thee SG OCNY: I've been using open office for years...
	🤖 6:29pm chresti: winstonkins!
	🤖 6:29pm zachary: ↳ Mark Hurst @6:25 Looks possible to free iOS devices: konradybcio.pl... "How we got Linux on the iPhone, iPad and other iDevices"
	🤖 6:29pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ Art @6:27 Right ... to the extent that Windows Word files are compatible with Word Files.
	6:29pm Dean: "Command line" = a blank screen into which you enter instructions, which you have to learn, much like learning a vocabulary of a new language. "Native" command line = the tool that comes bundled with the OS, rather than a more sophisticated command line tool that you can add to your installation.
	6:29pm sim_mobile: @Enflod Adobe Creative Cloud doesn't support Linux. You could run Windows on a virtual machine and run Adobe on that.
	6:31pm joe_rosevear: Not only is open source free, but if you are careful in you choice of Linux distro and how you set it up, your computer or laptop can be free too! That is because LInux, when set up right, can run easily on older machines that are discarded by Windows users.
	6:31pm Dean: I still chuckle at the name of the tool dubbed Back Orifice.
	🤖 6:31pm zachary: ↳ joe_rosevear @6:31 Oh yeah! Linux can easily breathe new life into old hardware. Hear, hear, Joe!
	6:31pm Art: LibreOffice is great. (And works on Windows and I believe Macs.)
	🤖 6:32pm zachary: ↳ Dean @6:31 Classic 1990s Cult of the Dead Cow.
	🤖 6:32pm Will thee SG OCNY: I've had multi-boot set up for years on all my computers. Linux is great
	🤖 6:32pm Webhamster Henry: If you are a person like me, who writes a script if they do something three times in a row, the command line is your friend.
	6:33pm sim_mobile: @zachary ahhh, the old BackOrifice days. Pack when you could tumble cell phones with your PC
	🤖 6:34pm Webhamster Henry: There are ways to run tech like Google Docs, clouds, etc on your own servers. I want to set up a Mastodon node on my NAS.
	🤖 6:34pm newton: Ansys doesnt run on linux
	6:35pm Dean: I'll ask again, Webmaster: Who is the person depicted by your avatar? Looks familiar to me...
	6:35pm Listener Robert: A tricky thing, at least at that time, was that Windows wouldn't go in nicely as the second OS to be installed in a dual-boot system. You had to install the boot loader (GRUB then) after making the appropriate disc configuration tree, then Windows, then Linux. It was said that if you tried to install Windows last, it would over-write some of what you'd configured. Then you could modify Linux as you liked, but updating Windows was a problem.
	🤖 6:36pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ Dean @6:35 That's me, 50 years ago in High School! I'm going to my reunion next week.
	6:36pm Dean: hamster, I mean
	6:36pm sim_mobile: @newton Ansys on Ubuntu https://optics.ansys.com/hc/en-us/articles/1500005392522-Ubuntu-Linux-installation-guide#:~:text=This%20page%20shows%20the%20installation,with%20the%20default%20desktop%20environment. ans
	6:36pm Deb from California: My "change to Linux" has been ... gradual. I would advise "doing it that way".
	6:36pm Listener Robert: ↳ joe_rosevear @6:31 For a long time I was using nothing but castoff computers.
	6:37pm Zumzar: Unfortunately, Linux is impractical for vast majority of users because of relatively elaborate install and maintenance. There is a chance that some devices within or around your computer won't work - maintaining a proper set of drivers can be a chore that is not for everyone. Btw, if you think you are on some kind of 'independent path' if you are using Linux, think again - probably 95% of US corporations use Linux on their servers. From security point of view, Linux is definitely not a holy grail, Only a few months back it was discovered by pure luck that one of dependent I/O libraries contained a back door possibly installed by Chinese hackers. If this made to Linux release, this backdoor would allow access to virtually all computers running this distribution.
	🤖 6:37pm Handy Haversack: Hi, Mark, all.
	6:37pm Dean: Nice! I play recorder, too. Spent an hour yesterday playing Boismortier duets with my teacher. I avoided my 40th reunion; my 50th will be 2027. I'll likely avoid that, too.
	6:38pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:37 Welcome, Handy!
	6:38pm joe_rosevear: Mark, there are two things going on, and you are confusing them. First there is the machine/OS that you are using. And the other is the network platform you are using, if any. You don't have to use a network platform--you can pay for your own webspace and publish your own data on your own webspace. The trouble is that that is complex. Sorry, you can't have your cake and eat it too!
	6:38pm winston legthigh: handy!
	6:38pm Deb from California: ↳ Listener Robert @6:36 I have always used "castoff computers". With help from my Linux Tech ... almost any "old computer" has worked well for me.
	6:39pm Fuzzy: ↳ zachary @6:31 Yes -- I installed Manjaro on this 7+-year-old Dell Optiplex that I bought on ebay for $65 ( Core i5-6500,8GB RAM, no drive) -- throw in a $30 SSD and another 8GB of RAM and Bob's yer uncle! Runs circles around sluggish Windows 11 on my laptop!
	6:39pm Listener Robert: ↳ luca @6:29 Yes, drivers are a serious sticking point. They'll send you to a Web address to download an as-is driver, but much of the time it either isn't there or doesn't work with what you bought off the shelf that told you to go there.
	🤖 6:39pm tim: Hey Handy!
	6:39pm Mister Dobalina: Such a key point !
	🤖 6:40pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ Dean @6:37 I just bought a used wooden alto recorder cheap! I've only had plastic ones like the one in that picture. Sounds nice! Follow Team Recorder on Y-uT--e for tremendous recorder fun and info!
	6:40pm Listener Robert: ↳ Deb from California @6:38 Then again, I use castoff EVERYTHING.
	🤖 6:42pm MarciB: ↳ zachary @6:24 That's a great idea!
	6:42pm joe_rosevear: I'm hoping to get a PinePhone. It is a phone that actually runs a real Linux distro. Here is a link: pine64.org...
	6:44pm Dean: Indeed, some plastic recorders sound lovely. I have a beautiful soprano Moeck, a gift from a friend. I'm looking to buy a tenor.
	🤖 6:44pm Will thee SG OCNY: Honestly a USB Linux install with persistence is an amazing thing to have. Bring your drive/ computer everywhere
	6:45pm Mister Dobalina: Is this why we don't have phones with removal batteries no longer exist?
	🤖 6:45pm Handy Haversack: winston!
	🤖 6:46pm Handy Haversack: ↳ tim @6:39 What up, Tim!
	6:46pm Dean: I fear that the adoration of Mac and Microsoft windows GUI is based on a false premise, namely, that some people learn better with visuals. I'm not sure that's correct. But I don't know the research.
	🤖 6:46pm zachary: ↳ Zumzar @6:37 I disagree. Linux is not impractical for the vast majority of users. What was the last distribution you have used? My young children (6 and 9) both run and manage their own machines with very little, if ever, help from me in terms of updating and maintaining. It's easy enough to apt update/upgrade a machine to get the latest packages on a Debian distribution. Linux runs the vast majority of servers because POSIX design is brilliant when running services. Plus, it's free as in speech and as in beer. And yes, there are security issues and general bugs, just like any other software. The difference is in how it can be updated and patched. Some software publishes refuse to fix issues on old versions. Where as in the Linux world, its easy to keep files (if you maintained a separate home partition) and upgrade to a new OS if necessary.
	🤖 6:47pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ Dean @6:44 I've had a great Küng tenor for 50 years too. That's my solo here: mamalama.bandcamp.com... . Techtonic is now the go-to program for recorder news.
	🤖 6:47pm Deano de los Muertos: Interesting show, Mark
	🤖 6:47pm zachary: ↳ Fuzzy @6:39 Awesome! And it will probably run for years. I find the SSD makes a big difference in performance. I just added one to my 12-year old PC and it runs beautifully.
	6:48pm Mister Dobalina: I love this !
	6:48pm sim_mobile: @Zumzar Most people don't install OSes, period. They buy a machine preloaded with it. That option is available with Linux. The history of computing is rife with clever exploits. Linux is somewhat better due to open source code. The exploit you're talking about was caught because a developer noticed increase in lag time. This exploit was so long in the pipe and with a host of sock puppets, it had to be either a corp or nation state funding it. Against that kind of bad actors, most any OS is vulnerable.
	6:48pm Dean: I will listen! I haven't landed on a favorite recorder player, but there are many I admire. I adore the Telemann sonatas. You?
	6:48pm joe_rosevear: Hmmm. There are many OSs for the PinePhone, but I don't think they are derived from Android.
	🤖 6:49pm Ken From Hyde Park: If we can install Linux in our cars, we can stop the car companies from scooping up our data.
	🤖 6:49pm MarciB: ↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:49 Yes! that would be something!
	🤖 6:49pm DjLorraine: Any thoughts about Murena w/ e/OS?
	6:49pm Dean: I plan to install Linux to my bathroom.
	6:50pm Deb from California: ↳ Zumzar @6:37 Hmmmm. Thanks for your post. It seems like "pursuing privacy", if that it your reason for switching to Linux ... may not be an "ironclad" certainty.
	6:50pm Mister Dobalina: ↳ Dean @6:49 Private poops are the best poops.
	🤖 6:50pm MarciB: I have to wonder how using Linux would be go over in China. Grounds for shipping off to an internment camp?
	🤖 6:50pm Webhamster Henry: The whole icon-window-filesystem metaphor needs tossing put, and I'd love to have time to replace it on top of Linux underware.
	🤖 6:50pm Will thee SG OCNY: I have a 12 year old lenovo think pad woth 2 SSD drives and the processor and RAM is maxed out. I use it to record live shows still... Win XP, Win7, and I Ubuntu... I had hackintosh on there for a while along with several other Linux distos
	6:50pm luca: How well do devices running Linux sync with each other? (phones, tablets, computers)
	🤖 6:51pm chresti: And he doesn't panhandle
	6:51pm Listener Robert: I probably wouldn't've gotten into Linux, however, had my first experience with the Internet not been thru a Unix shell. Come to think of it, I stayed with MS-DOS beyond the point most other people could believe.
	6:52pm Mister Dobalina: Thanks, Mark.
	6:52pm Christina in Canada: Maybe a first-time guest visit to a local Linux Users Group could be beneficial
	6:52pm Dean: Well, my comments are not a great resource, but thanks for tolerating them.
	🤖 6:52pm Webhamster Henry: There are Linux ports of many professional music programs, but not everything. THere's a new plugin format called CLAM that is supposed to help with some of that.
	🤖 6:52pm zachary: ↳ luca @6:50 What kind of syncing are you looking for? Usually this type of syncing is happening over some sort of service (local or Internet).
	6:52pm sim_mobile: @Webhamster Henry China has their own version of Linux
	🤖 6:53pm DjLorraine: ↳ DjLorraine @6:49 Oh, i see it's listed on the playlist.
	🤖 6:53pm zachary: ↳ sim_mobile @6:52 Looks like maybe this one: en.wikipedia.org...
	6:53pm luca: ↳ zachary @6:52 Doing work on one device and continuing on another.
	🤖 6:53pm newton: ↳ Dean @6:48 IMSLP248689-PMLP398178-ChalumeauConcertod
	6:53pm joe_rosevear: Mark, yes, gradual is good. Don't be in a hurry. I found that it takes a long time to really learn Linux. That may be daunting, but have patience. The rewards are awesome!
	6:54pm Dean: Microsoft should forward its shots to Brewster Kahle.
	6:54pm sim_mobile: @MarciB China has their own version of Linux (Kylin)
	🤖 6:54pm zachary: ↳ Christina in Canada @6:52 Ha! I haven't been to a LUG in years. Good memories though.
	🤖 6:54pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ Dean @6:48 Just follow Team Recorder, there's lots of material there - Classical and contemporary!
	6:54pm Deb from California: ↳ luca @6:50 Ummm ... I think my answer is ... it works for me. I use a computer (at home) with Linux on it. I can browse the Internet and use my (web based) email account(s), Facebook account, etc. . If I "do something" on my email or Facebook ... it happens ... on both my computer and my cell phone. . (Is this helpful to you ... ?) .
	🤖 6:54pm zachary: Great Linux and recorder chat everyone!
	6:55pm ultradamno: Has anyone made an AI chatbox of a film noir barfly floozie that only talks to an AI chatbox of a film noir palooka? I'd look at that
	🤖 6:55pm MarciB: I suppose Microsoft is thinking this is just the ticket to get us ok with their "virtual concierge" that will be our virtual online double.
	6:55pm joe_rosevear: The way to begin is to find where the information is available online. There is a tremendous amount of it, offered up by helpful and intelligent Linux users.
	6:55pm Dean: Will do, WH. My teacher and I are especially fond of Medieval arrangements.
	🤖 6:55pm Ken From Hyde Park: Thanks, Mark. Maybe a Linux Day at Monty Hall at some point where folks bring their devices for conversion?
	6:56pm luca: ↳ Deb from California @6:54 Thanks Deb ;)
	🤖 6:56pm newton: Microsoft will make a linux emulator that make you feel like you are working in linux but is all microsoft
	🤖 6:56pm Handy Haversack: Thanks, Mark!
	6:57pm Deb from California: ↳ luca @6:56 You're welcome. Best Wishes ... Good Luck.
	🤖 6:57pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark! Thanks Peter!
	🤖 6:57pm zachary: ↳ luca @6:53 It would depend on the services. If you are using an Internet based service (e.g. FastMail, Google Docs, etc.) you can easily access them.
	6:58pm Christina in Canada: Thank you, Mark!
	🤖 6:58pm zachary: Microsoft is actually a big supporter of Linux.
	6:58pm efd: hey that's me!
	6:58pm Bea: Thanks, Mark! You’re the best!
	6:58pm Fuzzy: Good stuff Mark -- thanks!
	🤖 6:58pm chresti: Thanks Mark!
	6:58pm joe_rosevear: Thanks, Mark! That was a really great show.
	6:59pm luca: ↳ zachary @6:57 Taking pix with your Linux phone and then editing them with a computer?
	🤖 6:59pm zachary: Microsoft does a lot of Open Source software investment: en.wikipedia.org...
	🤖 6:59pm tim: Thanks, Mark and Peter! Thanks Evan “Under Urveillance” Davies for the outro!
	🤖 6:59pm zachary: ↳ luca @6:59 If you want to just connect via USB and sync, you can. Or you can upload to a service and download on the computer. I take it you are using an iPhone and sync via iTunes/iPhoto?
	7:00pm (Process) A➡(Process) B: Thanks, Mark! The first time I heard this, I was thinking "Mark Hurst should listen to this!". Then Evan later namedropped him in the back announce! Ha!
	7:00pm luca: ↳ zachary @6:59 Yes
	🤖 7:01pm zachary: ↳ luca @7:00 Looks like it is possible via these steps: discussions.apple.com...
	7:01pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone!
	🤖 7:01pm Will thee SG OCNY: Thank you Mark and Peter!!! Be well everyone!!!
	🤖 7:01pm Webhamster Henry: Linux/POSIX is no problem for me since I predate Graphic Interfaces anyway.
	🤖 7:01pm zachary: Thank you everyone!
	🤖 7:02pm zachary: ↳ Webhamster Henry @7:01 The terminal all the way! I am trying to teach my kids to use the keyboard as much as possible. So much faster.
	7:02pm Zumzar: ↳ zachary @6:46 hi zachary - I use debian, ubuntu and rapsberry pi os on some of my machines. Some of the older hardware and printers had issues that I had to fix. I am pretty sure that most of personal computer/device users use automated updates or have someone else run OS upgrades. Everything else is an unnecessary complication for them.
	🤖 7:18pm zachary: ↳ Zumzar @7:02 Hey Zumzar. Nice. I have found the opposite in my case, but I usually try and pursue hardware that is Linux compatible. The one time I needed to dive deeper was for a wireless chipset in a new laptop. Eventually Linux (the kernel) included them natively. Yes. I run too many things to have updates run automatically. In most cases, it works out for users. Glad to hear you are another Linux user. By your original comment, you said it was too much to install (we just installed Debian on my son's new computer and while we did not use it, there was an automatic disk partition routine) and maintain. I think they are less complicated if not the same as Windows machines in most cases.

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May 27, 2024: We should all switch to Linux

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Today: We should all switch to Linux

Microsoft’s launch of new spyware in Windows is a good reminder that Big Tech intends to exploit you via its computers and surveillance phones. A good non-corporate alternative is Linux, a free and open-source operating system.

Today we speak with “Peter Fung” (not his real name), a security expert living in Switzerland, about why, and how, we should all switch to Linux.

Below, sites mentioned in the interview:

• DistroWatch.com: comprehensive listing of Linux distributions

• Ubuntu for desktops: Linux distro OK for recent-model computers

• elementary OS: recommended Linux distro

• Zorin OS: recommended Linux distro

• Pop!_OS: recommended Linux distro

• LibreOffice: recommended alternative to Microsoft Office

• ONLYOFFICE: recommended alternative to Microsoft Office

• Apache OpenOffice: another alternative to Microsoft Office

• NextCloud: recommended alternative to Google Drive

• Element: secure communications platform (don’t use WhatsApp!)

• Session: secure messaging (seriously, don’t use WhatsApp!)

• Fairphone: “smartphones that benefit the planet”

• Murena: deGoogled smartphones

• Ubuntu Touch: Linux-based smartphone OS

• GrapheneOS: deGoogled Android OS

• LineageOS: deGoogled Android OS

• CalyxOS: deGoogled Android OS

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Listener comments!
	5:57pm ultradamno: Mark! Tectonuxes!
	🤖 6:00pm Webhamster Henry: I was in on the beginnings of Linux. Like the clean rooms that put out the rom code that turned into IBM PC clones to get around Microsoft's patents and other IP grips, Linux was made to get around the strangle hold on official Unix implementations. We're so used to free software, it's hard to imaging paying - a lot - for it. (yeas, I know you still have to pay for Windows updates and the like) there were also lots more OS choices in the Wild West days of early micro/personal computers.
	🤖 6:01pm Bas NL: Hi Mark! Hi all!
	6:02pm morphe': Plugged In ....
	🤖 6:02pm chresti: Hi Mark and tech tonics!
	🤖 6:02pm Webhamster Henry: Telling apart Linux Distros would be a good job for Machine Learning though. In fact TRAINING a Large Linux Model to build you a customized version would be great!
	🤖 6:03pm newton: HI Markum and other Fruitums
	🤖 6:03pm Ken From Hyde Park: Where's my Linux smartphone at?
	🤖 6:03pm Wendy del Formaggio: Hi Mark and everyone else!
	🤖 6:04pm Wendy del Formaggio: ↳ newton @6:03 And coconuts.
	🤖 6:04pm newton: I think the software that I use cannot run on Linux
	🤖 6:04pm PaulRobeson1924: Hi Hi Hi
	6:05pm malĥerbo (nl): Hi Mark! (and all)
	🤖 6:05pm newton: ↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:04 yes, & them
	6:05pm hoeg: good evening folks, # apt install freedom :D
	6:05pm Deb from California: Hi
	6:06pm dale: what system is running on amiga?
	🤖 6:06pm Webhamster Henry: Actually, it's call MacOS now.
	6:07pm joe_rosevear: Hello, Techies!
	6:07pm dano59: Henry: I thought Gates & Allen were OK with clones if it meant the proliferation/global use of their MS software. I’d almost prefer that (as a socialist) to Apple’s proprietary shtuff - if only Apple’s design wasn’t the more elegant. The Windows GUI is a paste-on over DOS to emulate the Mac OS
	6:07pm ness: Linux for the win. Who else is running it?
	6:07pm Dean: Is it still the case that one can run Linux on very old (10, 15 years or more) machines?
	6:08pm joe_rosevear: Sure, I use Slackware Linux!
	6:08pm Art: I've been using Linux Mint for years. I am not a computer person.
	6:08pm Deb from California: I am running Linux. (I have a "Linux tech" who helps me ... aka my husband)
	🤖 6:08pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ dale @6:06 Amigas run Amiga os, the portable non-licensed version is called AROS, there's also ApolloOS.
	🤖 6:08pm DjLorraine: Hi
	6:09pm Art: Switch to Linux -- get off the grid of corporate computing!
	6:09pm dale: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:08 i knew you could enlighten.
	6:10pm Dean: I'm with dano59, except that I do not find Apple elegant in any way. I tried to run Linux (an Ubuntu distro) on the laptop I used in law school...which was '01-'04. Didn't give it fair time and attention. The frog-in-water scenario is a myth, by the way.
	🤖 6:10pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ dale @6:09 I use the Amiga Emulator UAE on my Mac, specifically FS-UAE!
	🤖 6:10pm newton: boil a frog with the lid on the pot
	6:10pm dale: ↳ dale @6:09 can you run it on anything other than an old commodore?
	6:10pm Fuzzy: uname -r 6.6.31-2-MANJARO
	6:11pm dale: oh - beat me to it.
	🤖 6:11pm tim: Howdy Mark! I’m not a techie. I like it dumb. I’m gonna stick with it and learn!
	6:11pm sim_mobile: The important thing about Linux is the GPL, a copyleft rather than a copyright license.
	6:11pm Dean: Even if it does get technical, stick with it!
	🤖 6:11pm chresti: My son is familiar with Linux
	6:12pm Dean: Yes, tim!
	6:12pm ultradamno: Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result being the definition of anything but practice is also a myth
	6:12pm Deb from California: I love two things about Linux ... (1) You do not pay for the software ... you, of course, need to buy equipment. (But, an "OLD" Windows computer it "more than enough" to run Linux. AND (2) I have NEVER gotten any malware or viruses using Linux.
	6:12pm joe_rosevear: Actually, Dale, it doesn't run on the Commodore. I run it on a PC, but it also runs on the Raspberry Pi.
	🤖 6:12pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:10 UAE though needs the original kickstarter images... which you can get from www.amigaforever.com
	6:12pm Listener Robert: I used to use Linux, but am not currently running it. Back when I was, though, I got a phone call from a scammer from "Microsoft Technical Support" who said I was generating error messages they would try to get me to fix. When I told them truthfully that the screens they thought would come up when I followed their directions did not, he got a supervisor on the line. When I said I wasn't using Windows, he gave me instructions for MacIntosh. When I told him no, I was running Linux, he said, "Fuck you!" and hung up.
	🤖 6:13pm Bas NL: I am programming loads in vb.net. So it's Windows to me.
	🤖 6:13pm zachary: If anyone needs help with Linux, let me know. Long time supporter, advocate, and user.
	6:13pm winston legthigh: chrestikins!
	6:14pm Christina in Canada: I'm so glad I happened upon this. I am running Ubuntu 20.0.4, interested in gentle tutorials to deGoogle, upgrade or switch Os, et cetera
	6:14pm malĥerbo (nl): Linux Mint here (on a fairly old MacBook).
	🤖 6:14pm Webhamster Henry: The best is to use the embedded Linuxes in Internet Things.
	🤖 6:14pm zachary: ↳ malĥerbo (nl) @6:14 Excellent. I have Debian, Ubuntu, and Raspbian running in our house.
	6:15pm (Process) A➡(Process) B: Hi Mark & Technocrats! I've been working with my old ASUS laptop, with Windows 8, battered as it is, and will keep hanging on to it until it meets it's imminent demise, regardless of all the bugs it succumbs to (and believe me, it does often lag BIG TIME)! However, my brother has turned me on to a "mini-server" that runs on Raspberry Pi. And I am now seriously considering buying my own.
	6:15pm Dean: My guess: Peter from Switzerland is Klaus Meine from The Scorpions. Abandon Mac and Windows, and embrace the command line.
	🤖 6:15pm zachary: I'll be back. Going to eat my pizza. ;-)
	6:15pm Mark Hurst: Hi @ultradamn, @webham, @Bas, @morphe', @chresti, @newton, @KfHP, @Wendy, @PaulR, @malĥerbo, @hoeg, @Deb, @joe_r, @dano, @ness, @Dean, @Art, @DjL, @dale, @Fuzzy, @tim, @sim_m, @Robert, @winston, @Christina, @zachary, @Process - WELCOME to all of you!
	6:15pm hoeg: @Robert glorious, a free "fuck you" with every tech call
	6:16pm sim_mobile: @(Process) A➡(Process) B You would be amazed how well your old laptop performs with Linux on it.
	🤖 6:16pm zachary: ↳ (Process) A➡(Process) B @6:15 I have a 12-year old desktop that runs great with Debian on a SSD. You could probably bring your old laptop back to life with Linux.
	6:16pm Christina in Canada: Hi Mark - I boosted on Mastodon @wfmu's post about this episode.
	🤖 6:16pm zachary: ↳ Mark Hurst @6:15 Hello Mark! I was excited for the show when Joe mentioned it this morning. Happy to help you with your Linux journey.
	6:16pm winston legthigh: ✊ mark
	6:16pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Christina in Canada @6:16 Thanks for the boost!
	6:17pm (Process) A➡(Process) B: ↳ sim_mobile @6:16 I would certainly hope so & invite the opportunity to switch over!
	6:17pm joe_rosevear: Hey, Mark! It is useful to know that Android and iOS are both derived (descended) from Linux.
	🤖 6:17pm Ken From Hyde Park: ↳ Song: "Interview with Peter" Me save world! "tar -cvf file.tar /tmp/*txt"
	6:17pm Franco Twinkie: Hey Zack!
	🤖 6:17pm Webhamster Henry: Sometimes you need OSes that are really stripped down to just what you want to use it for.
	6:17pm sim_mobile: @(Process) A➡(Process) B try loading a live Linux distro on a thumb drive, like Ubuntu or Puppy Linux. You can take it for a test drive.
	6:17pm Mark Hurst: ↳ zachary @6:16 Thanks, Zachary - I've got to find the time to start the process...
	6:18pm Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: Part of the problem is though, for corporate stuff you pretty much HAVE to use Windows.
	🤖 6:18pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:17 man tar
	6:18pm coelacanth∅: i switched my laptop to linux ubuntu ~2010 but i knew absolutely nothing about computers then...did not know the language. the installer who said he'd always be available to help me was not there at all; so after several months or a year of having no usable computer i switched back. i could work with it now, but i need to get a laptop that doesn't have physical problems.
	6:18pm joe_rosevear: ... er I think that is true. I wonder now that I said it. Does anyone out there know more about this?
	🤖 6:19pm Webhamster Henry: Chromebooks have a developer "drop into Linux" mode - at least mine does.
	6:19pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:17 I'm calling you next time I'm in that situation...
	6:20pm Fuzzy: ↳ Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜 @6:18 On the rare occasion when I need to use Windows I can run it as a guest machine in Virttualbox.
	🤖 6:20pm zachary: ↳ Mark Hurst @6:17 No worries. I'll shoot you an email. I am not sure if you know or if you discuss it in the interview, but you can also test Linux out with a live CD/USB: en.wikipedia.org... You can boot to it, check it out, test your hardware, without overwriting or installing anything.
	6:21pm Art: I'm not a programmer type. When I've had issues with Linux Mint, I searched and found Linux forum posts that give you the stuff to type in the terminal to fix things.
	🤖 6:21pm Webhamster Henry: On Windows machines, I install Cygwin and ignore the native command line commands
	🤖 6:21pm zachary: ↳ Art @6:21 That's what great with free and open source software: It's very well documented. Like cooking.
	6:22pm Listener Robert: ↳ hoeg @6:15 And that was at the end of several minutes with his underling scammer and himself, and me playing dumb all along. But I also once gave some Jehova's Witnesses the Discordian trip for about 20 minutes and got them to say they couldn't spend more time and walked away.
	🤖 6:22pm tim: Free your mind and your Linux will follow!
	6:22pm (Process) A➡(Process) B: ↳ sim_mobile @6:17 Thanks! Could you post any links to sites where I can dl?
	🤖 6:22pm zachary: ↳ Fuzzy @6:20 Yes. At least isolate your Windows usage to a virtual machine instead of an entire machine that you may use for other things.
	6:23pm Dean: No, tim. ...and your OS will follow.
	6:23pm Kathleen from JC: I’ve been Linux curious, too! I’m fed up with Windows and don’t want Apple. Thanks for this segment!
	6:23pm Enflod: But what about industry-standard software that people in those fields are required to run? Graphic designers, engineers, musicians, etc. use very specific programs. There' s no Photoshop for Linux, is there?
	🤖 6:23pm zachary: ↳ (Process) A➡(Process) B @6:22 Here's the Ubuntu link: ubuntu.com... Debian: www.debian.org... General concept: ubuntu.com...
	6:23pm sim_mobile: @(Process) A➡(Process) B like our Swiss friend says, distrowatch com
	6:23pm Mark Hurst: ↳ zachary @6:20 Wasn't aware of that, thanks
	6:24pm ?: Guess it's impossible to install Linux on an iPhone? Love the iPhone hardware, but also love the Linux idea.
	🤖 6:24pm zachary: We should have a WFMU Linux Install Fest, @Mark.
	🤖 6:24pm tim: ↳ Dean @6:23 Haha! Thanks, dean! I’m learning already!
	6:25pm Listener Robert: I've configured a couple of computers dual-boot, Windows and Linux, because it was most convenient for me then. I configured the file system so one of them could read the whole disc.
	🤖 6:25pm newton: ↳ Enflod @6:23 I have windows PC specifially for am engineering program, I use that PC for nothing else.
	🤖 6:25pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ Enflod @6:23 There's the GIMP fot image editing, but you're not going to get all those kewl Photoshop plugins or subscriptions. others: alternativeto.net...
	6:25pm Mark Hurst: ↳ @6:24 That's a good question - unfortunately I don't think there's any way to get Linux onto an iPhone.
	6:26pm Dean: PopOS? No. In my hood, popos = the police.
	6:26pm Fuzzy: Linux Mint is a very good and popular distro for first-timers.
	6:27pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:21 but that's the kind of instruction that made it impossible for me to use linux, over a decade ago. people use phrases that mean nothing to most people and often don't even know of another way to phrase it! the guy who installed linux for me would say things like "native command line" and was incapable of rephrasing it in english. i had no choice but to give up. (even now, even though i can figure out almost everything that i need to now, i still don't know what a "native command line" is)
	6:27pm sim_mobile: @? Smartphones are locked down, in general. Further, Linux on phones isn't as mature as Linux on workstations.
	6:27pm Enflod: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:25 The problem isn't features—theoretically, at least, one could create a program that does everything Photohop does. The issue is, no one else in the industry will be able to work with the files. If I'm a graphic designer laying out a magazine, no one else will be able to edit my document.
	🤖 6:27pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ @6:24 Hehe I jailbroke my iPhone gen 1 and installed the POSIX command line suite and I could telnet - I think even ssh - INTO my iPhone so I could write apps. But when apps were allowed a year later, I decided to go with the "challenge of legitimacy". But iOS is really streamlined for the crazy hardware in iOS devices.
	6:27pm Art: ↳ Enflod @6:23 There are free open-source approximations/equivalents for most programs. And you can often (not always) save as different file formats that work in Windows.
	🤖 6:28pm Will thee SG OCNY: Good Evening Mark Hurst and all!!!
	6:28pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Will thee SG OCNY @6:28 Welcome, Will!
	6:29pm luca: I was an avid Linux user...until...I tried to make my newly bought mouse work with my computer...took years before I got hold of the right driver.
	🤖 6:29pm Will thee SG OCNY: I've been using open office for years...
	🤖 6:29pm chresti: winstonkins!
	🤖 6:29pm zachary: ↳ Mark Hurst @6:25 Looks possible to free iOS devices: konradybcio.pl... "How we got Linux on the iPhone, iPad and other iDevices"
	🤖 6:29pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ Art @6:27 Right ... to the extent that Windows Word files are compatible with Word Files.
	6:29pm Dean: "Command line" = a blank screen into which you enter instructions, which you have to learn, much like learning a vocabulary of a new language. "Native" command line = the tool that comes bundled with the OS, rather than a more sophisticated command line tool that you can add to your installation.
	6:29pm sim_mobile: @Enflod Adobe Creative Cloud doesn't support Linux. You could run Windows on a virtual machine and run Adobe on that.
	6:31pm joe_rosevear: Not only is open source free, but if you are careful in you choice of Linux distro and how you set it up, your computer or laptop can be free too! That is because LInux, when set up right, can run easily on older machines that are discarded by Windows users.
	6:31pm Dean: I still chuckle at the name of the tool dubbed Back Orifice.
	🤖 6:31pm zachary: ↳ joe_rosevear @6:31 Oh yeah! Linux can easily breathe new life into old hardware. Hear, hear, Joe!
	6:31pm Art: LibreOffice is great. (And works on Windows and I believe Macs.)
	🤖 6:32pm zachary: ↳ Dean @6:31 Classic 1990s Cult of the Dead Cow.
	🤖 6:32pm Will thee SG OCNY: I've had multi-boot set up for years on all my computers. Linux is great
	🤖 6:32pm Webhamster Henry: If you are a person like me, who writes a script if they do something three times in a row, the command line is your friend.
	6:33pm sim_mobile: @zachary ahhh, the old BackOrifice days. Pack when you could tumble cell phones with your PC
	🤖 6:34pm Webhamster Henry: There are ways to run tech like Google Docs, clouds, etc on your own servers. I want to set up a Mastodon node on my NAS.
	🤖 6:34pm newton: Ansys doesnt run on linux
	6:35pm Dean: I'll ask again, Webmaster: Who is the person depicted by your avatar? Looks familiar to me...
	6:35pm Listener Robert: A tricky thing, at least at that time, was that Windows wouldn't go in nicely as the second OS to be installed in a dual-boot system. You had to install the boot loader (GRUB then) after making the appropriate disc configuration tree, then Windows, then Linux. It was said that if you tried to install Windows last, it would over-write some of what you'd configured. Then you could modify Linux as you liked, but updating Windows was a problem.
	🤖 6:36pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ Dean @6:35 That's me, 50 years ago in High School! I'm going to my reunion next week.
	6:36pm Dean: hamster, I mean
	6:36pm sim_mobile: @newton Ansys on Ubuntu https://optics.ansys.com/hc/en-us/articles/1500005392522-Ubuntu-Linux-installation-guide#:~:text=This%20page%20shows%20the%20installation,with%20the%20default%20desktop%20environment. ans
	6:36pm Deb from California: My "change to Linux" has been ... gradual. I would advise "doing it that way".
	6:36pm Listener Robert: ↳ joe_rosevear @6:31 For a long time I was using nothing but castoff computers.
	6:37pm Zumzar: Unfortunately, Linux is impractical for vast majority of users because of relatively elaborate install and maintenance. There is a chance that some devices within or around your computer won't work - maintaining a proper set of drivers can be a chore that is not for everyone. Btw, if you think you are on some kind of 'independent path' if you are using Linux, think again - probably 95% of US corporations use Linux on their servers. From security point of view, Linux is definitely not a holy grail, Only a few months back it was discovered by pure luck that one of dependent I/O libraries contained a back door possibly installed by Chinese hackers. If this made to Linux release, this backdoor would allow access to virtually all computers running this distribution.
	🤖 6:37pm Handy Haversack: Hi, Mark, all.
	6:37pm Dean: Nice! I play recorder, too. Spent an hour yesterday playing Boismortier duets with my teacher. I avoided my 40th reunion; my 50th will be 2027. I'll likely avoid that, too.
	6:38pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:37 Welcome, Handy!
	6:38pm joe_rosevear: Mark, there are two things going on, and you are confusing them. First there is the machine/OS that you are using. And the other is the network platform you are using, if any. You don't have to use a network platform--you can pay for your own webspace and publish your own data on your own webspace. The trouble is that that is complex. Sorry, you can't have your cake and eat it too!
	6:38pm winston legthigh: handy!
	6:38pm Deb from California: ↳ Listener Robert @6:36 I have always used "castoff computers". With help from my Linux Tech ... almost any "old computer" has worked well for me.
	6:39pm Fuzzy: ↳ zachary @6:31 Yes -- I installed Manjaro on this 7+-year-old Dell Optiplex that I bought on ebay for $65 ( Core i5-6500,8GB RAM, no drive) -- throw in a $30 SSD and another 8GB of RAM and Bob's yer uncle! Runs circles around sluggish Windows 11 on my laptop!
	6:39pm Listener Robert: ↳ luca @6:29 Yes, drivers are a serious sticking point. They'll send you to a Web address to download an as-is driver, but much of the time it either isn't there or doesn't work with what you bought off the shelf that told you to go there.
	🤖 6:39pm tim: Hey Handy!
	6:39pm Mister Dobalina: Such a key point !
	🤖 6:40pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ Dean @6:37 I just bought a used wooden alto recorder cheap! I've only had plastic ones like the one in that picture. Sounds nice! Follow Team Recorder on Y-uT--e for tremendous recorder fun and info!
	6:40pm Listener Robert: ↳ Deb from California @6:38 Then again, I use castoff EVERYTHING.
	🤖 6:42pm MarciB: ↳ zachary @6:24 That's a great idea!
	6:42pm joe_rosevear: I'm hoping to get a PinePhone. It is a phone that actually runs a real Linux distro. Here is a link: pine64.org...
	6:44pm Dean: Indeed, some plastic recorders sound lovely. I have a beautiful soprano Moeck, a gift from a friend. I'm looking to buy a tenor.
	🤖 6:44pm Will thee SG OCNY: Honestly a USB Linux install with persistence is an amazing thing to have. Bring your drive/ computer everywhere
	6:45pm Mister Dobalina: Is this why we don't have phones with removal batteries no longer exist?
	🤖 6:45pm Handy Haversack: winston!
	🤖 6:46pm Handy Haversack: ↳ tim @6:39 What up, Tim!
	6:46pm Dean: I fear that the adoration of Mac and Microsoft windows GUI is based on a false premise, namely, that some people learn better with visuals. I'm not sure that's correct. But I don't know the research.
	🤖 6:46pm zachary: ↳ Zumzar @6:37 I disagree. Linux is not impractical for the vast majority of users. What was the last distribution you have used? My young children (6 and 9) both run and manage their own machines with very little, if ever, help from me in terms of updating and maintaining. It's easy enough to apt update/upgrade a machine to get the latest packages on a Debian distribution. Linux runs the vast majority of servers because POSIX design is brilliant when running services. Plus, it's free as in speech and as in beer. And yes, there are security issues and general bugs, just like any other software. The difference is in how it can be updated and patched. Some software publishes refuse to fix issues on old versions. Where as in the Linux world, its easy to keep files (if you maintained a separate home partition) and upgrade to a new OS if necessary.
	🤖 6:47pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ Dean @6:44 I've had a great Küng tenor for 50 years too. That's my solo here: mamalama.bandcamp.com... . Techtonic is now the go-to program for recorder news.
	🤖 6:47pm Deano de los Muertos: Interesting show, Mark
	🤖 6:47pm zachary: ↳ Fuzzy @6:39 Awesome! And it will probably run for years. I find the SSD makes a big difference in performance. I just added one to my 12-year old PC and it runs beautifully.
	6:48pm Mister Dobalina: I love this !
	6:48pm sim_mobile: @Zumzar Most people don't install OSes, period. They buy a machine preloaded with it. That option is available with Linux. The history of computing is rife with clever exploits. Linux is somewhat better due to open source code. The exploit you're talking about was caught because a developer noticed increase in lag time. This exploit was so long in the pipe and with a host of sock puppets, it had to be either a corp or nation state funding it. Against that kind of bad actors, most any OS is vulnerable.
	6:48pm Dean: I will listen! I haven't landed on a favorite recorder player, but there are many I admire. I adore the Telemann sonatas. You?
	6:48pm joe_rosevear: Hmmm. There are many OSs for the PinePhone, but I don't think they are derived from Android.
	🤖 6:49pm Ken From Hyde Park: If we can install Linux in our cars, we can stop the car companies from scooping up our data.
	🤖 6:49pm MarciB: ↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:49 Yes! that would be something!
	🤖 6:49pm DjLorraine: Any thoughts about Murena w/ e/OS?
	6:49pm Dean: I plan to install Linux to my bathroom.
	6:50pm Deb from California: ↳ Zumzar @6:37 Hmmmm. Thanks for your post. It seems like "pursuing privacy", if that it your reason for switching to Linux ... may not be an "ironclad" certainty.
	6:50pm Mister Dobalina: ↳ Dean @6:49 Private poops are the best poops.
	🤖 6:50pm MarciB: I have to wonder how using Linux would be go over in China. Grounds for shipping off to an internment camp?
	🤖 6:50pm Webhamster Henry: The whole icon-window-filesystem metaphor needs tossing put, and I'd love to have time to replace it on top of Linux underware.
	🤖 6:50pm Will thee SG OCNY: I have a 12 year old lenovo think pad woth 2 SSD drives and the processor and RAM is maxed out. I use it to record live shows still... Win XP, Win7, and I Ubuntu... I had hackintosh on there for a while along with several other Linux distos
	6:50pm luca: How well do devices running Linux sync with each other? (phones, tablets, computers)
	🤖 6:51pm chresti: And he doesn't panhandle
	6:51pm Listener Robert: I probably wouldn't've gotten into Linux, however, had my first experience with the Internet not been thru a Unix shell. Come to think of it, I stayed with MS-DOS beyond the point most other people could believe.
	6:52pm Mister Dobalina: Thanks, Mark.
	6:52pm Christina in Canada: Maybe a first-time guest visit to a local Linux Users Group could be beneficial
	6:52pm Dean: Well, my comments are not a great resource, but thanks for tolerating them.
	🤖 6:52pm Webhamster Henry: There are Linux ports of many professional music programs, but not everything. THere's a new plugin format called CLAM that is supposed to help with some of that.
	🤖 6:52pm zachary: ↳ luca @6:50 What kind of syncing are you looking for? Usually this type of syncing is happening over some sort of service (local or Internet).
	6:52pm sim_mobile: @Webhamster Henry China has their own version of Linux
	🤖 6:53pm DjLorraine: ↳ DjLorraine @6:49 Oh, i see it's listed on the playlist.
	🤖 6:53pm zachary: ↳ sim_mobile @6:52 Looks like maybe this one: en.wikipedia.org...
	6:53pm luca: ↳ zachary @6:52 Doing work on one device and continuing on another.
	🤖 6:53pm newton: ↳ Dean @6:48 IMSLP248689-PMLP398178-ChalumeauConcertod
	6:53pm joe_rosevear: Mark, yes, gradual is good. Don't be in a hurry. I found that it takes a long time to really learn Linux. That may be daunting, but have patience. The rewards are awesome!
	6:54pm Dean: Microsoft should forward its shots to Brewster Kahle.
	6:54pm sim_mobile: @MarciB China has their own version of Linux (Kylin)
	🤖 6:54pm zachary: ↳ Christina in Canada @6:52 Ha! I haven't been to a LUG in years. Good memories though.
	🤖 6:54pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ Dean @6:48 Just follow Team Recorder, there's lots of material there - Classical and contemporary!
	6:54pm Deb from California: ↳ luca @6:50 Ummm ... I think my answer is ... it works for me. I use a computer (at home) with Linux on it. I can browse the Internet and use my (web based) email account(s), Facebook account, etc. . If I "do something" on my email or Facebook ... it happens ... on both my computer and my cell phone. . (Is this helpful to you ... ?) .
	🤖 6:54pm zachary: Great Linux and recorder chat everyone!
	6:55pm ultradamno: Has anyone made an AI chatbox of a film noir barfly floozie that only talks to an AI chatbox of a film noir palooka? I'd look at that
	🤖 6:55pm MarciB: I suppose Microsoft is thinking this is just the ticket to get us ok with their "virtual concierge" that will be our virtual online double.
	6:55pm joe_rosevear: The way to begin is to find where the information is available online. There is a tremendous amount of it, offered up by helpful and intelligent Linux users.
	6:55pm Dean: Will do, WH. My teacher and I are especially fond of Medieval arrangements.
	🤖 6:55pm Ken From Hyde Park: Thanks, Mark. Maybe a Linux Day at Monty Hall at some point where folks bring their devices for conversion?
	6:56pm luca: ↳ Deb from California @6:54 Thanks Deb ;)
	🤖 6:56pm newton: Microsoft will make a linux emulator that make you feel like you are working in linux but is all microsoft
	🤖 6:56pm Handy Haversack: Thanks, Mark!
	6:57pm Deb from California: ↳ luca @6:56 You're welcome. Best Wishes ... Good Luck.
	🤖 6:57pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark! Thanks Peter!
	🤖 6:57pm zachary: ↳ luca @6:53 It would depend on the services. If you are using an Internet based service (e.g. FastMail, Google Docs, etc.) you can easily access them.
	6:58pm Christina in Canada: Thank you, Mark!
	🤖 6:58pm zachary: Microsoft is actually a big supporter of Linux.
	6:58pm efd: hey that's me!
	6:58pm Bea: Thanks, Mark! You’re the best!
	6:58pm Fuzzy: Good stuff Mark -- thanks!
	🤖 6:58pm chresti: Thanks Mark!
	6:58pm joe_rosevear: Thanks, Mark! That was a really great show.
	6:59pm luca: ↳ zachary @6:57 Taking pix with your Linux phone and then editing them with a computer?
	🤖 6:59pm zachary: Microsoft does a lot of Open Source software investment: en.wikipedia.org...
	🤖 6:59pm tim: Thanks, Mark and Peter! Thanks Evan “Under Urveillance” Davies for the outro!
	🤖 6:59pm zachary: ↳ luca @6:59 If you want to just connect via USB and sync, you can. Or you can upload to a service and download on the computer. I take it you are using an iPhone and sync via iTunes/iPhoto?
	7:00pm (Process) A➡(Process) B: Thanks, Mark! The first time I heard this, I was thinking "Mark Hurst should listen to this!". Then Evan later namedropped him in the back announce! Ha!
	7:00pm luca: ↳ zachary @6:59 Yes
	🤖 7:01pm zachary: ↳ luca @7:00 Looks like it is possible via these steps: discussions.apple.com...
	7:01pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone!
	🤖 7:01pm Will thee SG OCNY: Thank you Mark and Peter!!! Be well everyone!!!
	🤖 7:01pm Webhamster Henry: Linux/POSIX is no problem for me since I predate Graphic Interfaces anyway.
	🤖 7:01pm zachary: Thank you everyone!
	🤖 7:02pm zachary: ↳ Webhamster Henry @7:01 The terminal all the way! I am trying to teach my kids to use the keyboard as much as possible. So much faster.
	7:02pm Zumzar: ↳ zachary @6:46 hi zachary - I use debian, ubuntu and rapsberry pi os on some of my machines. Some of the older hardware and printers had issues that I had to fix. I am pretty sure that most of personal computer/device users use automated updates or have someone else run OS upgrades. Everything else is an unnecessary complication for them.
	🤖 7:18pm zachary: ↳ Zumzar @7:02 Hey Zumzar. Nice. I have found the opposite in my case, but I usually try and pursue hardware that is Linux compatible. The one time I needed to dive deeper was for a wireless chipset in a new laptop. Eventually Linux (the kernel) included them natively. Yes. I run too many things to have updates run automatically. In most cases, it works out for users. Glad to hear you are another Linux user. By your original comment, you said it was too much to install (we just installed Debian on my son's new computer and while we did not use it, there was an automatic disk partition routine) and maintain. I think they are less complicated if not the same as Windows machines in most cases.

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