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Today: Even more devices are spying on you

The page above lists examples of private family conversations that can be picked up by spy devices. As CMG puts it, its service can “detect pertinent conversations via smartphones, smart TVs, and other devices.”

Excerpt below.

Imagine This...

What could it do for your business, if you were able to target potential clients or customers who are using terms like this in their day to day conversations:

• “The car lease ends in a month – we need a plan.”

• “We need to get serious about planning for retirement.”

• “A minivan would be perfect for us.”

• “This AC is on its last leg!”

• “Do I see mold on the ceiling?”

• “We need a better mortgage rate.”

Active Listening can make that happen for you!

We know this sounds like something from the future, but we are there! We can customize your campaign to listen for any keywords/targets relevant to your business.

. . . Active Listening begins and is analyzed via AI to detect pertinent conversations via smartphones, smart TVs, and other devices.

From the slide deck recently unearthed by 404 Media:





Responses, reported by 404 Media and Futurism:

• Google: “All advertisers must comply with all applicable laws and regulations as well as our Google Ads policies, and when we identify ads or advertisers that violate these policies, we will take appropriate action.”

• Amazon: “Amazon Ads has never worked with CMG on this program and has no plans to do so.”

• Facebook: “Meta does not use your phone’s microphone for ads and we’ve been public about this for years. . . . We are reaching out to CMG to get them to clarify that their program is not based on Meta data.”




404 Media articles

Marketing Company Claims That It Actually Is Listening to Your Phone and Smart Speakers to Target Ads (by Joseph Cox, Dec 14, 2023): “Media giant Cox Media Group (CMG) says it can target adverts based on what potential customers said out loud near device microphones, and explicitly points to Facebook, Google, Amazon, and Bing as CMG partners, according to a CMG presentation obtained by 404 Media.”

Company Brags About Using Smart Device Microphone Audio to Target Ads on Their Podcast (by Jason Koebler and Joseph Cox, Dec 15, 2023): “Andy Galeshahi, one of the cofounders of [MindSift], says when discussing MindSift to potential clients: ‘I’ll say like, ‘Hey, have you ever talked about something and saw an ad for it?’ We’re the guys. That’s us.’”

Here’s the Pitch Deck for ‘Active Listening’ Ad Targeting (by Joseph Cox, Aug 26, 2024)

Futurism summary

In Leak, Facebook Partner Brags About Listening To Your Phone’s Microphone To Serve Ads For Stuff You Mention (Futurism, Sep 1, 2024): “‘We know what you’re thinking. Is this even legal?’ a since-deleted Cox blog post from November 2023 noted. ‘It is legal for phones and devices to listen to you. When a new app download or update prompts consumers with a multi-page term of use agreement somewhere in the fine print, Active Listening is often included.’”

Possible explanations

• CMG is hyping something that doesn’t exist. Devices don’t have to listen, because they get enough data from other cues (proximity to other people’s phones etc.).

    --> Google claimed in 2017 that it no longer reads Gmail to personalize ads (source).

• CMG’s feature does exist, but the Big Tech companies aren’t involved – CMG only mentions their names for hype value. (In this case: who is tapping into the microphones?)

• CMG’s feature exists, and the Big Tech companies are involved. (Though it would be SHOCKING if a Big Tech company didn’t tell the truth!)

The twist

• All of the explanations above are about what’s happening today. What’s more important is considering Big Tech’s plans for the future. For example:



• From Ars Technica (Oct 11, 2018): “Amazon has patented technology that could let Alexa analyze your voice to determine whether you are sick or depressed and sell you products based on your physical or emotional condition. The patent, titled ‘Voice-based determination of physical and emotional characteristics of users,’ was issued this week; Amazon filed the patent application in March 2017.”

• It’s already happening. Amazon-Powered AI Cameras Used to Detect Emotions of Unwitting UK Train Passengers (Wired, June 17, 2024): “Thousands of people catching trains in the United Kingdom likely had their faces scanned by Amazon software as part of widespread artificial intelligence trials, new documents reveal. The image recognition system was used to predict travelers’ age, gender, and potential emotions — with the suggestion that the data could be used in advertising systems in the future.”

More surveillance

Millions of Americans impacted by surveillance data collection in some cars (Fox News, Sep 4, 2024): featuring past Techtonic guest Albert Fox Cahn – about GM’s OnStar spying on car owners, and selling their data, without their knowledge or consent. There’s now a lawsuit from thousands of drivers.

How to escape Honda’s privacy hell (Sherwood, May 6, 2024):
So what can they collect?

“Pretty much everything,” said Misha Rykov, a research associate at the Mozilla Foundation, who worked on the car-privacy report. “Sex-life data, biometric data, demographic, race, sexual orientation, gender — everything.”

. . . [The car company] can notify your insurance company that you braked too hard or sped up too fast. Car companies can share your info with law enforcement without your knowledge. A domestic abuser could use it to track your whereabouts.
Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla — and they might tow it (SF Chronicle, Aug 31, 2024): “Officers now frequently seek video from bystander Teslas, and usually get the owners’ consent to download it without having to serve a warrant. Still, he said, tows are sometimes necessary, if police can’t locate a Tesla owner and need the video “to pursue all leads.” . . . In at least three instances in July and August, Oakland police sought to tow a Tesla into evidence to obtain — via a second court order — its stored video.”

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Listener comments!

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ultradamno:

Mark! Techtonimabobs!
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ultradamno:

Early surveillance tech i.pinimg.com...
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chresti:

Hi Mark and techtonicians!
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Handy Haversack:

Mark! Techyons!
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Bas NL:

There's always Hurst when you are spied upon.. Hi Mark! Hi all!
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joe_rosevear:

Tally ho, Techies!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:01pm
spodiodi:

greetings, Mark and all!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:01pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

Mark! I'm psyched for this show. Wait, don't I say this every week? Well, 'cos it's true.
Avatar 🤖 6:02pm
MarciB:

Looking forward to this show with everyone! Hi Mark + Tech peeps!
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Will thee SG OCNY:

Good evening Mark Hurst and all!!!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:02pm
DjLorraine:

Hey- hello
  6:04pm
Dean:

"Mark" is both a proper noun and a verb!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:04pm
Greg from ZONE 5:

Happy anniversary, Mark Hurst!
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Will thee SG OCNY:

Happy 7 years Mark!!!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:05pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ Dean @6:04
And an improper noun!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:05pm
Jody P:

happy birthday mark!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:05pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

Happy anniversary, Mark! Your show is definitely worth celebrating. I've learned SO SO SO much. And I've gotten my library to order a large pile of books I've heard about on your show. Mazel tov to you!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:05pm
Handy Haversack:

Happy seven-year kvetch, Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:05pm
spodiodi:

happy anniversary Mark (to 7 more)
  6:05pm
Tom from Stirling:

Thank you. For your sincere effort, Mark.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:06pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:05
It's always nice to read Yiddish in two consecutive comments.
:-)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:06pm
coelacanth∅:

Happy 331st Mark! you look great, not a day over 300!
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joe_rosevear:

The topic may be the same, but the technology has changed!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:06pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:06
Wendeleh!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:08pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:06
Handeleh!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:08pm
Handy Haversack:

Access journalism vs. activist journalism. Which do you think is on YOUR side?
Avatar 🤖 6:08pm
herb.nyc:

We so appreciate yr work, mark, and thank you very much.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:11pm
DPL:

Amazing work, Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:11pm
bleubombersune:

on my trips to China in the early '80's I always checked for monitoring devices, under lamps, under desks, behind lamp bulbs. fast forward 35yrs. my son takes my advice, takes more protection then I did
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joe_rosevear:

↳ bleubombersune @6:11
Did you ever find any monitoring devices?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:13pm
Handy Haversack:

The last line of this excellent piece on WFMU and freeform from listener Elena links to a couple of jeremiads from Irwin from almost fifty years ago on the nature of and need for freeform, and what's crucial about it in this context is that freeform has to be more than music. It's not just playing the non-hits (though give me more two Barry Manilow records played at the same time at the wrong speed, please). Speech -- and other nonmusic things -- is a crucial part. Techtonic deepens the freeform commitment of the station by a tremendous amount.

Way to go, Mark! It's an ethos!

www.radicalradio.media...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:16pm
joe mulligan:

glad you're going to go beyond the usual suspects Mark, decades ago I unsubscribed from Adbusters after a few years because they had the same message.
  6:18pm
Bort Simpson:

I really do get the point, but I'm still using a 10 year old android because I feel it's a waste to buy something new if the old thing still works
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joe_rosevear:

Sorry Mark, but this is for your own good:

dictionary.cambridge.org...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:19pm
spodiodi:

impostors abound (well, the same one)
Avatar 6:21pm
dk50b:

Of course, blaring ads for Spatula City!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:22pm
joe mulligan:

I'm sure you covered before, but during this radio schedule season I'd like to learn more about the dangers of big tech switching conservative so that government is hands off/allows them to do whatever they want with little regulation
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:23pm
spodiodi:

↳ joe mulligan @6:22
⭐️
  6:23pm
A2B (A➡B):

Good Evening Mark & Happy 7th anniversary Techtonic!

Somewhat relevant news for this show's main topic:

Workers at Samsung's India plant are striking over demand to have salaries raised, and it's hitting the plant's production hard.

https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=9c1215c32903149fJmltdHM9MTcyNTg0MDAwMCZpZ3VpZD0xZjU3M2ViOS05OWUyLTYwZWUtM2QwNy0zMTQwOTg4MDYxZmEmaW5zaWQ9NTQ5Nw&ptn=3&ver=2&hsh=3&fclid=1f573eb9-99e2-60ee-3d07-3140988061fa&psq=Samsung+India+strike&u=a1aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cubXNuLmNvbS9lbi1pbi9uZXdzL0luZGlhL3dvcmtlcnMtYXQtc2Ftc3VuZ3MtaW5kaWEtdW5pdC1nby1vbi1pbmRlZmluaXRlLXN0cmlrZS9hci1BQTFxaG9naD9vY2lkPUJpbmdOZXdzU2VycA&ntb=1
  6:24pm
Joey C says:

Congratulations on 7 years of Techtonic. I’m sure that most, if not all, of us listeners agree that no one does what you do better and it is important that this show keeps going, on and on, like this run on sentence.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:25pm
Handy Haversack:

I have a relationship with the local electronics store where I have to remind them every time, "And give me the dumbest one you have." Finally had to give up my CRT TV a few years ago, but the little flatscreen I got is definitely never going to be connected to the internet.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:25pm
Vanejsa:

What? who hasn't had the targeted ads from conversations? that was like day 1 and I have had turned of Siri and any voice activated function ever since. I can't imagine anyone with a smartphone who hasn't! I didn't realize they never confirmed it, as if it's needed, lol.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:25pm
Peter from Saranac Lake NY:

↳ Bort Simpson @6:18
I just finished paying for my mobile tracking device, and ATT wants me to upgrade. I think not.
  6:31pm
Dean:

I'm madly trying to find reports about this, acknowledging that Mark already identified no relevant reporting. But I did learn that CMG is the trading abbreviation for Chipotle Mexican Grill.
  6:32pm
sensisio:

Wholefoods aka Amazon-you can now pay w your frickin hand!! How cool Amazon...creeptastic
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:33pm
mariano:

Mind syph?
  6:33pm
Dean:

I always pay with my hand. "That'll be $42.19." I put $45 in my hand, pass it to the cashier, and accept, with my hand, $2.81 change.
  6:34pm
sensisio:

@Dean very smart! Wait...yes!
  6:35pm
Dean:

Of course, I also write my SSN, birth date, address, phone number, and mother's maiden name on all of my currency.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:36pm
spodiodi:

Mark,i love what you're doing, as i've said many times over the years... from way back to when i couldn't listen to your show, as i was aware of everything you talk about, and it all makes me sick... and i agree with your mantra gett off google, etc.... but i've been troubled that i think you're giving wfmUsers a false sense of security in using the WFMU.org website... because of the google tracking that is embedded on every page...

... this stuff:
<script type="text/javascript">function highslide_attach(selector_prefix = ""){jQuery(selector_prefix + " a.highslide").attr("onclick", "return hs.expand(this)").not("[title]").attr("title", "Click to enlarge");}highslide_attach();</script><!-- async google analytics code MA 2011-02-25 -->
<script type="text/javascript">
var _gaq = _gaq || [];
_gaq.push(['_setAccount', 'UA-446006-1']);
_gaq.push(['_trackPageview']);
_gaq.push(['_trackPageLoadTime']);
(function() {
var ga = document.createElement('script'); ga.type = 'text/javascript'; ga.async = true;
ga.src = ('https:' == document.location.protocol ? 'https://ssl' : 'http://www') + '.google-analytics.com/ga.js';
var s = document.getElementsByTagName('script')[0]; s.parentNode.insertBefore(ga, s);
})();
</script>
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NotARealDoctor in Norfolk VA:

Cox is the only available Internet provider in my neighborhood aha 😅
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Fredericks:

Don't I remember people laughing at members of Congress for asking tech exes about this very topic?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:38pm
spodiodi:

feels a lot like do as we say, not as we do
  6:38pm
Dean:

Huh, spodiodi. DuckDuckGo tells me that there are "No Tracking Requests Found" on this page. Is DDG missing something obvious?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:39pm
spodiodi:

vie source, Dean
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:40pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ spodiodi @6:36
Yo, spodi!

Blacklight says that a specific Google Analytics feature is not found on WFMU. And that no ad-tech companies work is on the site, which I remember being different from the first time I checked -- I believe it flagged Google Analytics back then (and I kind of remember SM Ken being shocked by it). I wonder if Blacklight needs to be alerted to a problem?

themarkup.org...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:40pm
spodiodi:

been biting my tongue as long as i could stand it without saying anything
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:40pm
dale:

our alexa just offered up some recipe suggestions from listening to mark on the radio!!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:41pm
spodiodi:

the code i pasted was from the current page we're currently all sitting on
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:41pm
NotARealDoctor in Norfolk VA:

I'm also shamelessly listening to Techtonic on a Google home mini mounted in my kitchen
  6:43pm
Dean:

I think this is the comment associated with that source:

<!-- async google analytics code MA 2011-02-25 -->

What does this mean?
Avatar 🤖 6:43pm
MarciB:

I always wonder how Apple is using our photos...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:43pm
spodiodi:

i notice tons of related but creepy stuff... especially since i split up with my partner -- i see things she's searching for, even though i'm in a different location, and hadve a different ip (of course they don't need thet to know it's me), but it is creepy as hell, and not surprising to me in the least
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:44pm
Ciggy:

Hi Mark
My Google Assist just popped up as you're speak6!!!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:44pm
Handy Haversack:

You can listen to half of the people half of the time ...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:45pm
Ciggy:

*Assistant
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MarciB:

I have to use a palm scanner when I go to my doctor's office...there's no way around it.
  6:46pm
sleepy:

I was in the car …spouse had phone plugged into the car. I said I had sore neck. His phone starts telling me how to fix it…do a stretch….
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:46pm
chresti:

AI is listening and getting it all scrambled
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Fredericks:

↳ joe mulligan @6:22
Tech started with an anti government regulation philosophy, unwittingly it created a power vacuum. Corporations got pulled into vacancy in the power structure. Now they have so much money they can influence regulation.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:46pm
spodiodi:

and have been a firm believer that i/we are all surveiled since .... forever ago

before the advent of this show and tos more.

we're fucked because most people (like my ex) don't care
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:47pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ MarciB @6:45
There was one at K8's doctor, and we told them she wouldn't use it, and they were like, Oh, OK, you don't actually have to. You can just tell us you're here. I was all, Then why do you have it?! And K8 made me stop ...
Avatar 🤖 6:47pm
MarciB:

We're holding on to our 2013 Mini for as long as we can -- it's got a CD deck, too!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:48pm
Handy Haversack:

On September 9, 2024, at 6:47 PM, Mark cited Fox News ...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:48pm
spodiodi:

i've insisted on all of our devices being completely powered off and located physically in other places for ten years or more -- especially when i was trading (and especially when i was trading crypto)
Avatar 🤖 6:48pm
MarciB:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:47
Oh maybe if I'm more assertive I can get out of using that too then. But it seems like they've already got the info...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:49pm
spodiodi:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:40
yo Handy!

i'll refer you to the code i've pasted. it tells a different story
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:50pm
chresti:

I'm driving a 1997 Buick that belonged to Franco's mom
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:50pm
spodiodi:

drives me crazy -- as my awareness and concern and talking about it was met by my partner with ~"you're paranoid" sentiment
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:50pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ spodiodi @6:49
I am afraid I can't read it. Seems worth telling Blacklight about? They do specifically ask for that.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:52pm
spodiodi:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:50
i've wanted to take it up with Mark, Kenxo, Smk and the Wordpress (marketing people) first.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:52pm
dale:

fox was fined almost 800 million for spreading trumps election disinformation. i wouldn't believe anything they say.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:52pm
spodiodi:

their confirmations and opinions are of more interest to me first
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:53pm
coelacanth∅:

do the teslas hear me as i walk passed them saying "nice douchemobile"?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:53pm
spodiodi:

i hope it's not received poorly. i love WFMU and Mark's show ( and everyone else i've mentioned so far)
Avatar 🤖 6:54pm
Noir Lover:

Just so happened to be wearing my Techtonic shirt
  6:54pm
Dean:

I pronounce Tesla "telsa," for no reason other than not to respect those stoopid cars and their owners.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:55pm
spodiodi:

i also hack many thought, and concerns related to this particular show, and where we we're all headed. it's fucking creepy like you wouldn't believe
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:55pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ spodiodi @6:52
Ah, I see! wfmu.org doesn't have it, but the show page does:

themarkup.org...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:55pm
spodiodi:

i use as much foul language as poss to confuse the fuckers
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
dale:

bought a car last year at a ford dealership. i get carvana reminders in my email to get an oil change etc. such bullshit.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
dale:

...or car max. or somebody like that.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
spodiodi:

let me, Bless Negativeland and their Efforts, especially since 2019. their albums and releases since then have been a profound gift to anyone listening
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
spodiodi:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:55
cool. glad to hear another confirmation.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
coelacanth∅:

Thanks Mark!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
Handy Haversack:

I am extremely glad that Techtonic is on it. Many thanks, Mark! Let's get seven more years under our (your!) belt and keep on from there! Freeform forever!
Avatar 🤖 6:58pm
Noir Lover:

For a paid item (car) to take your data too? Talk about double dipping!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
spodiodi:

thanks Mark! you are a warrior. you are needed. you are appreciated and loved.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
Vanejsa:

I asked my partner, and he still gets targeted ads but I don't and haven't since at least since I got an iphone. I don't have Google, Instagram, Facebook or Twitter installed on my phone and I have disabled Siri. maybe that could narrow it down?
  6:58pm
Tom from Stirling:

Ya gotta love Mark. Thanks, man
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
bleubombersune:

Mark Big Brother always has been watching All stay safe and be well
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
spodiodi:

thank you for the important work you're doing. thanks for the effort it takes
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ Vanejsa @6:58
I don't have a spyphone, got off Google, use a VPN, and use an ad blocker. I don't see ads at all! And I can't imagine I'd see particularly targeted ones?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone! Looking forward to reading the comments. See you next week.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 7:00pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ Song: "2 4 5 7 9 11" by "John Fekner City Squad"
NYC television channels.
  7:00pm
A2B (A➡B):

Thanks, Mark!
Here's tp 7 more years! 🍺🍸
Keep fighting the good fight!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 7:00pm
Will thee SG OCNY:

Thank you Mark Hurst, excellent show and service!!!
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