WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from December 23, 2024

Listener comments!
	🤖 6:01pm Will thee SG OCNY: Hi Don Fleming and all!!!
	🤖 6:01pm tim: Hi Don! Sounds like a great show!
	🤖 6:02pm Webhamster Henry: Hi! I had a reproducing piano from the 1920s for about 20+ years. It had an electric motor-driven vacuum. Here are some rolls I recorded: jhhl.net...
	6:02pm DonJuanTijuana: So pumped for a Double Dose of Don!!! Lay it on us!!!
	6:03pm bleubombersune: Good Evening Don and all
	6:05pm Listener Robert: Why should the life of the author have any bearing on the term of the copyright? Why shouldn't it run from date of publication, so as to be equal for everyone?
	🤖 6:05pm Webhamster Henry: A reproducing piano not only doesn't care how close the holes are, and can play any rubato, it could (crudely) control the volume (velocity as we MIDI people say) as well.
	🤖 6:06pm newton: we had a player piano, and hundreds of rolls, inherited from Granny. Dad was too cheap to have it tuned, and it was awful
	6:06pm joe mulligan: ↳ Listener Robert @6:05 def seems against the favor of musicians who live fast and die young.
	6:07pm tracy in LA: thx Don... youre bringing back some of my best memories with my grandfathers player piano
	🤖 6:08pm newton: Ah, dictaphone
	6:09pm Fishman: Cool stuff
	6:09pm DonJuanTijuana: My first exposure to a player piano was when my sister, who was an executive admin for some Kodak big shot who had a player piano, think realm of 1972. She was house sitting for a few weeks during the summer. To my amusement, I got to pick some rolls to listen to. Probably the root cause of my musical fascination of 🎶 & my desire to dive deeper into all forms of music.
	6:09pm dale: great place. went a couple three years ago. hey now.
	🤖 6:13pm Webhamster Henry: Gotta mention WFMU's own Antique Phonograph Music Program [ wfmu.org... ] and Thomas Edison's Attic [ wfmu.org...
	6:14pm Andres: Format wars started early!
	6:15pm joe mulligan: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:13 just got me thinking of Mac, how i he doing and is he still around?
	🤖 6:16pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ joe mulligan @6:15 MAC is still active, he does really cool cemetery tours of famous entertainers of bygone days, playing their songs near their gravesites!
	6:17pm dale: ↳ joe mulligan @6:15 he's on fb with a group called 'antique phonograph enthusiasts.' he does events, and also cemetery tours of artists from that day buried in the ny area.
	6:17pm dale: what he said...
	6:18pm dale: i ran into him at a 'mechanical music extravaganza' sale in wayne new jersey a couple of years ago.
	6:19pm Franco Twinkie: And to think, I use to want to be in a band!
	6:24pm Sufferwords: Put out records on Epitaph, Relativity, Capitol, Lakeshore, V2 etc.- the guy that shrink wrapped um made more than me -
	6:26pm egould: ↳ Song: "Christmas message to Thomas Edison" by "George Go... How nice of Edison to hire an Indian gentleman as head of the sales team. Very progressive for 1888.
	6:26pm PC77: This legal bondage system is so abusive that you'd think the musicians would have figured a way out of it after, what, 120 years?
	6:27pm Peter from Saranac Lake NY: Good evening Don and techies. Don, thanks for filling in. Fascinating segment on the record industry.
	6:27pm Franco Twinkie: ↳ Sufferwords @6:24 I remember showing my portfolio to Epitaph. They passed. Lucky me.
	6:27pm Kevlicki: ↳ Peter from Saranac Lake NY @6:27 Very much in agreement, thanks Don!
	6:28pm PC77: My mom use to play the Hawaiian steel guitar when we were little. Rest In Peace Mom
	🤖 6:28pm chresti: Now artists can sell directly to their fans?
	🤖 6:29pm tim: ↳ Sufferwords @6:24 What bands were you in, Sufferwords.
	6:30pm joe_rosevear: Hello (late again)!
	🤖 6:31pm tim: ↳ chresti @6:28 They always could but it's a bit easier these days to get music into fans hands without dealing with a big label.
	6:31pm Peter from Saranac Lake NY: ↳ Song: "The Lap-Steel Pickup" by "Don Fleming" No downside to giving guitars a bit of boost. Turn it up to 11!
	🤖 6:31pm Don F: ↳ chresti @6:28 Yeah Bandcamp is a big improvement to the model
	6:32pm egould: No downside at all.
	6:36pm dale: always like a discussion that leads to armstrong.
	🤖 6:36pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hi, Don and tech club.
	6:37pm yippie: One of the coolest records I have is a Marconi velvet-tone record. Because most people associate Marconi with radio but I associate him with records
	🤖 6:41pm Will thee SG OCNY: No Marconi... We have Macaroni
	6:44pm Sufferwords: Digital Millineum Act is also a good stream- made more playing Jews Harp on one song for a friend (and continue to do so) than anything else - my act often covered Radio Radio
	6:45pm Doug C.: The Marconi Building (1914 if I remember correctly) still exists at Camp Evans , a former military camp, now the info-age museum in Wall, NJ. I tried to influence it's restoration as a consultant but they have kept it in the state of military alteration, In my opinion a less interesting and less important period.
	6:46pm Mike Sin: I think pre-sound exchange and pre-satellite radio, most artists were happy enough to get airplay without payment on major radio stations because in the 70s and 80s a few crucial plays in prime markets did result in tons of records being sold. I think if artists were still able to move physical media and the numbers that they did in the past, Then sound exchange and organizations like that would not have gained such a foothold.
	🤖 6:49pm newton: $395 in mahogany!!
	6:49pm Dano59: I'm now musing on a James Burke 'Connections'-style chain of events ... from Jacquard's loom to the earliest card-deck pianolas (predating player pianos) in turn eventually begetting IBM punch cards revolutionizing computing, leading ultimately to the Internet. Meanwhile the MPEG group begins developing file compression formats > Brandenburg & the MP3 in 1991, which would start to kill the music industry a decade later. So: Jacquard et al. are naughty AND nice.
	6:51pm Dan from PEI: This is one of the best radio programs I’ve ever heard. Thank you Mr. Fleming.
	🤖 6:51pm Elena: It's so cool that Leon Theremin made the first rhythm machine for Henry Cowell. I thought that Theremin only invented the theremin.
	6:51pm Dano59: And lest we forget: Antonio Meucci's telephone, without which we wouldn't have 'Speeding Motorcycle' on The Music Faucet on FMU ... or 'The Grunge Lexicon'
	6:52pm The Butterman: We need Pete Seeger and his trusty hatchet! Although I’ve been told he didn’t really do that. Still, we ALWAYS need Pete Seeger. Peg and Awl, is a good anti- technology song.
	6:54pm Dano59: ↳ The Butterman @6:52 I think he voiced that intent to cut the sound but he wouldn't really have done it.
	🤖 6:54pm newton: but cant a drum machine be made to respond sensitively like humans through a theremin like proximity sensor?
	6:55pm egould: Drum machines. Fine good whatever. I still prefer human drummers on acoustic drums.
	🤖 6:56pm newton: they should make electric sticks
	6:56pm Dano59: ↳ newton @6:54 Gary Numan, when people started asking him about his 'cold' electronic sound, insisted that the Moog made the emotional impact of his music more human.
	🤖 6:57pm tim: Thanks, Don! Fun show! Thanks for putting it together.
	6:57pm egould: ↳ newton @6:56 Diesel powered drumsticks.
	🤖 6:57pm newton: Fantastic show Don!
	6:58pm egould: Thanks Don. Fun listening to your insights. You have a very nice presentation manner, as well.
	6:58pm MJ Turner: Great stuff!
	6:58pm The Butterman: Great concept to this show, Mr. Fleming. Thanks.
	6:58pm Dan from PEI: Most bangin’ !
	6:58pm Eric the Hat: Wow. Glad I caught the end of that segment. Definitely gonna visit it in the archive!
	6:58pm Dano59: Edison's still on my naughty list. Mainly because of what happened wiith Tesla.
	🤖 6:58pm chresti: Thanks Don!
	6:59pm Cassettivity: Loving the show! Wow what a list of albums you've produced!
	🤖 6:59pm Elena: Thank you!
	6:59pm Dan from PEI: ❤️
	6:59pm bleubombersune: Robert Fripp and other musicians have sued PRS over royalty fees,, somewhere Robert gives a very good breakdown (on yoUtube) how musicians get royaly stiffed by the recording industry
	🤖 6:59pm Will thee SG OCNY: Thank you Don Fleming!!!
	6:59pm Dano59: Nice show Don! You've been a hero of mine since i discovered you via Half Japanese.
	6:59pm Sufferwords: ass kickingly great job
	6:59pm bleubombersune: Don thanks for the fill in
	7:00pm listener 126464: Thanks for filling in, Don. Enjoyed much.
	7:00pm Adi From Sheffield: Interesting show I enjoyed that.
	7:01pm PC77: Fascinating, enlightening show!

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from December 23, 2024

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Upcoming events:

Mon. Dec 23rd, 6pm - 7pm: Don Fleming guest hosts Techtonic
Mon. Dec 30th, 6pm - 7pm: Andrew Smith, author, "Devil in the Stack" (More info...)
Writer Andrew Smith decided to learn computer programming in his 50s. What happened next is captured in his book "Devil in the Stack: A Code Odyssey," and wide-ranging tour through computer history, neuroscience, and the friendliest programming language.

December 23, 2024: Guest host Don Fleming: Musical Tech: Naughty or Nice?

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Year	Format	Comments
Don Fleming	Piano Rolls "Piano Rolls" by "Don Fleming"			2024
Frank Milne	Jingle Bells "Jingle Bells" by "Frank Milne"		QRS	1945	Other	Piano Roll QRS 1798 Piano: Themola (circa 1928) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggrI0dabYy8
Don Fleming	The Phonograph "The Phonograph" by "Don Fleming"			2024		https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recoupment https://www.techdirt.com/2008/08/21/emi-virgin-records-sues-platinum-selling-band-for-30-million-despite-not-paying-them-a-dime-in-royalties/ Are Music Recording Contracts Equitable? An Economic Analysis of the Practice of Recoupment https://www.meiea.org/resources/Journal/html_ver/Vol04_No01/Vol_4_No_1_A5.html
George Gouraud	Christmas message to Thomas Edison			1888	Cylinder	This message, the oldest known Christmas-related sound recording in the world, was made by Colonel George Gouraud, Thomas Edison's sales agent in England, on December 21, 1888. https://youtu.be/mIM-af5Ze08
Don Fleming	The Lap-Steel Pickup "The Lap-Steel Pickup" by "Don Fleming"			2024		This is the best of the wiki pages that gets into the history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_coil_guitar_pickup
The Surfers	Here Comes Santa Claus In A Red Canoe	Christmas From Hawaii	HiFi Records	1959	LP
Don Fleming	Radio "Radio" by "Don Fleming"			2024
Jimmy Durante	Inka Dinka Doo "Inka Dinka Doo" by "Jimmy Durante"	1948 Christmas Eve Radio Broadcast		1948		Jimmy Durante Show; Episode: Problems With Christmas Dinner; Original Air Date 12/24/1948.
Don Fleming	Drum Machines "Drum Machines" by "Don Fleming"			2024
Can	Silent Night "Silent Night" by "Can"	"Silent Night" b/w "Cascade Waltz"	Harvest	1976	7"

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Listener comments!
	🤖 6:01pm Will thee SG OCNY: Hi Don Fleming and all!!!
	🤖 6:01pm tim: Hi Don! Sounds like a great show!
	🤖 6:02pm Webhamster Henry: Hi! I had a reproducing piano from the 1920s for about 20+ years. It had an electric motor-driven vacuum. Here are some rolls I recorded: jhhl.net...
	6:02pm DonJuanTijuana: So pumped for a Double Dose of Don!!! Lay it on us!!!
	6:03pm bleubombersune: Good Evening Don and all
	6:05pm Listener Robert: Why should the life of the author have any bearing on the term of the copyright? Why shouldn't it run from date of publication, so as to be equal for everyone?
	🤖 6:05pm Webhamster Henry: A reproducing piano not only doesn't care how close the holes are, and can play any rubato, it could (crudely) control the volume (velocity as we MIDI people say) as well.
	🤖 6:06pm newton: we had a player piano, and hundreds of rolls, inherited from Granny. Dad was too cheap to have it tuned, and it was awful
	6:06pm joe mulligan: ↳ Listener Robert @6:05 def seems against the favor of musicians who live fast and die young.
	6:07pm tracy in LA: thx Don... youre bringing back some of my best memories with my grandfathers player piano
	🤖 6:08pm newton: Ah, dictaphone
	6:09pm Fishman: Cool stuff
	6:09pm DonJuanTijuana: My first exposure to a player piano was when my sister, who was an executive admin for some Kodak big shot who had a player piano, think realm of 1972. She was house sitting for a few weeks during the summer. To my amusement, I got to pick some rolls to listen to. Probably the root cause of my musical fascination of 🎶 & my desire to dive deeper into all forms of music.
	6:09pm dale: great place. went a couple three years ago. hey now.
	🤖 6:13pm Webhamster Henry: Gotta mention WFMU's own Antique Phonograph Music Program [ wfmu.org... ] and Thomas Edison's Attic [ wfmu.org...
	6:14pm Andres: Format wars started early!
	6:15pm joe mulligan: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:13 just got me thinking of Mac, how i he doing and is he still around?
	🤖 6:16pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ joe mulligan @6:15 MAC is still active, he does really cool cemetery tours of famous entertainers of bygone days, playing their songs near their gravesites!
	6:17pm dale: ↳ joe mulligan @6:15 he's on fb with a group called 'antique phonograph enthusiasts.' he does events, and also cemetery tours of artists from that day buried in the ny area.
	6:17pm dale: what he said...
	6:18pm dale: i ran into him at a 'mechanical music extravaganza' sale in wayne new jersey a couple of years ago.
	6:19pm Franco Twinkie: And to think, I use to want to be in a band!
	6:24pm Sufferwords: Put out records on Epitaph, Relativity, Capitol, Lakeshore, V2 etc.- the guy that shrink wrapped um made more than me -
	6:26pm egould: ↳ Song: "Christmas message to Thomas Edison" by "George Go... How nice of Edison to hire an Indian gentleman as head of the sales team. Very progressive for 1888.
	6:26pm PC77: This legal bondage system is so abusive that you'd think the musicians would have figured a way out of it after, what, 120 years?
	6:27pm Peter from Saranac Lake NY: Good evening Don and techies. Don, thanks for filling in. Fascinating segment on the record industry.
	6:27pm Franco Twinkie: ↳ Sufferwords @6:24 I remember showing my portfolio to Epitaph. They passed. Lucky me.
	6:27pm Kevlicki: ↳ Peter from Saranac Lake NY @6:27 Very much in agreement, thanks Don!
	6:28pm PC77: My mom use to play the Hawaiian steel guitar when we were little. Rest In Peace Mom
	🤖 6:28pm chresti: Now artists can sell directly to their fans?
	🤖 6:29pm tim: ↳ Sufferwords @6:24 What bands were you in, Sufferwords.
	6:30pm joe_rosevear: Hello (late again)!
	🤖 6:31pm tim: ↳ chresti @6:28 They always could but it's a bit easier these days to get music into fans hands without dealing with a big label.
	6:31pm Peter from Saranac Lake NY: ↳ Song: "The Lap-Steel Pickup" by "Don Fleming" No downside to giving guitars a bit of boost. Turn it up to 11!
	🤖 6:31pm Don F: ↳ chresti @6:28 Yeah Bandcamp is a big improvement to the model
	6:32pm egould: No downside at all.
	6:36pm dale: always like a discussion that leads to armstrong.
	🤖 6:36pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hi, Don and tech club.
	6:37pm yippie: One of the coolest records I have is a Marconi velvet-tone record. Because most people associate Marconi with radio but I associate him with records
	🤖 6:41pm Will thee SG OCNY: No Marconi... We have Macaroni
	6:44pm Sufferwords: Digital Millineum Act is also a good stream- made more playing Jews Harp on one song for a friend (and continue to do so) than anything else - my act often covered Radio Radio
	6:45pm Doug C.: The Marconi Building (1914 if I remember correctly) still exists at Camp Evans , a former military camp, now the info-age museum in Wall, NJ. I tried to influence it's restoration as a consultant but they have kept it in the state of military alteration, In my opinion a less interesting and less important period.
	6:46pm Mike Sin: I think pre-sound exchange and pre-satellite radio, most artists were happy enough to get airplay without payment on major radio stations because in the 70s and 80s a few crucial plays in prime markets did result in tons of records being sold. I think if artists were still able to move physical media and the numbers that they did in the past, Then sound exchange and organizations like that would not have gained such a foothold.
	🤖 6:49pm newton: $395 in mahogany!!
	6:49pm Dano59: I'm now musing on a James Burke 'Connections'-style chain of events ... from Jacquard's loom to the earliest card-deck pianolas (predating player pianos) in turn eventually begetting IBM punch cards revolutionizing computing, leading ultimately to the Internet. Meanwhile the MPEG group begins developing file compression formats > Brandenburg & the MP3 in 1991, which would start to kill the music industry a decade later. So: Jacquard et al. are naughty AND nice.
	6:51pm Dan from PEI: This is one of the best radio programs I’ve ever heard. Thank you Mr. Fleming.
	🤖 6:51pm Elena: It's so cool that Leon Theremin made the first rhythm machine for Henry Cowell. I thought that Theremin only invented the theremin.
	6:51pm Dano59: And lest we forget: Antonio Meucci's telephone, without which we wouldn't have 'Speeding Motorcycle' on The Music Faucet on FMU ... or 'The Grunge Lexicon'
	6:52pm The Butterman: We need Pete Seeger and his trusty hatchet! Although I’ve been told he didn’t really do that. Still, we ALWAYS need Pete Seeger. Peg and Awl, is a good anti- technology song.
	6:54pm Dano59: ↳ The Butterman @6:52 I think he voiced that intent to cut the sound but he wouldn't really have done it.
	🤖 6:54pm newton: but cant a drum machine be made to respond sensitively like humans through a theremin like proximity sensor?
	6:55pm egould: Drum machines. Fine good whatever. I still prefer human drummers on acoustic drums.
	🤖 6:56pm newton: they should make electric sticks
	6:56pm Dano59: ↳ newton @6:54 Gary Numan, when people started asking him about his 'cold' electronic sound, insisted that the Moog made the emotional impact of his music more human.
	🤖 6:57pm tim: Thanks, Don! Fun show! Thanks for putting it together.
	6:57pm egould: ↳ newton @6:56 Diesel powered drumsticks.
	🤖 6:57pm newton: Fantastic show Don!
	6:58pm egould: Thanks Don. Fun listening to your insights. You have a very nice presentation manner, as well.
	6:58pm MJ Turner: Great stuff!
	6:58pm The Butterman: Great concept to this show, Mr. Fleming. Thanks.
	6:58pm Dan from PEI: Most bangin’ !
	6:58pm Eric the Hat: Wow. Glad I caught the end of that segment. Definitely gonna visit it in the archive!
	6:58pm Dano59: Edison's still on my naughty list. Mainly because of what happened wiith Tesla.
	🤖 6:58pm chresti: Thanks Don!
	6:59pm Cassettivity: Loving the show! Wow what a list of albums you've produced!
	🤖 6:59pm Elena: Thank you!
	6:59pm Dan from PEI: ❤️
	6:59pm bleubombersune: Robert Fripp and other musicians have sued PRS over royalty fees,, somewhere Robert gives a very good breakdown (on yoUtube) how musicians get royaly stiffed by the recording industry
	🤖 6:59pm Will thee SG OCNY: Thank you Don Fleming!!!
	6:59pm Dano59: Nice show Don! You've been a hero of mine since i discovered you via Half Japanese.
	6:59pm Sufferwords: ass kickingly great job
	6:59pm bleubombersune: Don thanks for the fill in
	7:00pm listener 126464: Thanks for filling in, Don. Enjoyed much.
	7:00pm Adi From Sheffield: Interesting show I enjoyed that.
	7:01pm PC77: Fascinating, enlightening show!

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from December 23, 2024

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