WFMU: Surface Noise with Joe McGasko: Playlist from June 26, 2011

Listener comments!
	12:16am Nigel Tufnel: This one goes to 11! Sex Farm Woman! Sniff the glove!
	12:30am (mta) Tony: Good morning, Joe. I think it's very interesting that at this very moment I have finished restoring the Frankie Valli album, "Chameleon," to CDR. I just ejected it from the CD player after listening to it to ensure it plays and sounds perfect. All artwork is done, so I'll be applying the label to the disc right now! It took 30 hours to get the pops, clicks, and ticks out, but it was worth it because it sounds great!
	12:33am Joe McG: 30 hours! I hope you're joking, Tony.
	12:36am G: I've hung out in music trading circles for many years. People often spend many, many hours fixing various issues and "remastering" so they can then distribute the best version of a show or recording...
	12:37am Joe McG: God bless 'em! Seems like so much work to me! But then, this program is called Surface Noise.
	12:40am G: Some people are even really anal about eliminating that little click between tracks that sometimes shows up when live shows are burned to CD. They will argue up one side and down the other about whether you can hear it or not, and some people won't accept a version of a recorded show where they think there is a faint click at track transitions. Seriously.
	12:42am (mta) Tony: Yes Joe, G is correct. As a general rule of thumb, it takes one hour for every minute of music. This album is indeed 33 minutes long, and that coincides perfectly with the general rule regarding remastering. I've remastered many, many albums, so I'm a pro at it, and it can't be done faster while maintaining the same degree of perfection. I can use the computer to automate the procedure, but I do it manually to reduce distortion on segments that don't need filtering. A computer can't tell what's good "noise" from bad noise. A manual job is the only way to get the BEST results. And again, G is right, I have eliminated EVERY single extraneous sound there is. It takes time, but I love music so I don't mind...
	12:42am Joe B: One of those two Troggs songs made up their entire set at the record fair one year!
	12:47am Joe McG: Hey, Joe, thanks for reminding me about that!
	1:05am G: Mamie seems to have a lot of complaints about his technique.
	1:06am Joe McG: Guess he needs to work on his stroke.
	1:06am G: Yep.
	1:06am Joe McG: Heh heh.
	1:09am (mta) Tony: Yes Joe, it's funny that although your show is called "Surface Noise," I've spent many thousands of hours removing "noise" from LPs that are unavailable on CD. The noise wasn't put there on the record by the artist(s). It's an inherent deficiency in the media that causes the distortions and weren't intended to be part of the songs. The "surface noise" was something that we all had to endure because we had little choice otherwise. Most have grown accustomed to it, but I always hated it, to the point that I rarely ever bought an album. The result of THAT fact is now I have well over 10,000 factory pressed (official) CDs in my library. There's no excuse anymore to NOT invest in the music!
	1:10am Joe McG: Wow, Tony, that's some impressive library!
	1:21am (mta) Tony: Yep, and you won't find a single pop, click, or tick, anywhere. If I remember correctly, you originally were playing 78 r.p.m. records which derived your show name. Though the playing of 78s never fully materialized into the future, you kept the show title nevertheless, am I right?
	1:25am Joe McG: That's right, Tony. I haven't done a 78 set in a while, I should do one soon.
	1:28am G: Two mono tracks in a row would be "mono a mono".
	1:32am Joe McG: Hee hee.
	1:36am Fleep: More tambourine!
	1:37am Joe McG: Hey, fleep! Eh Eh!
	1:37am G: CD crackling can be either due to cheap crappy media (discs), high burn speed when the disc was created, older playback equipment, more delicate playback equipment, etc. To sort out what the issue is, you need to experiment by trying different things, and see what that tells you...
	1:39am Fleep: Debbie Harry's ability to miss every single note in that who gives a hoot voice is singular, evening Joe
	1:40am G: Blondes don't need to hit notes, maybe that's it???
	1:42am Joe McG: Not if the blonde is Debbie Harry, as far as I'm concerned!
	1:43am 12539: I keep expecting that guy's 'echo' voice to break into "Hey St Peter," or "Walking in the Rain."
	1:43am G: DINGDINGDINGDING
	1:43am (mta) Tony: Re: the noise of CDRs: No, I'm sorry I don't know the exact reason, cause, or name of the phenomenon, but I HAVE learned how to stop it: The first thing is you've got to get a $300 Plextor CD Writer IF you are going to use your computer to burn discs. If you don't have one of these pro CD burners in your computer, your CDRs will eventually die. When the discs come out after burning, they're so hot, you can hardly touch them. In other words, the data is REALLY burned into the media surface. Cheapo computer bay mounted DVD/CD burners are crap for CDs. The DVDs they make are more reliable than the CDs they make. Next, you must use high-grade blank media. Cheapo media will always eventually die. Mitsumi is probably the best. Finally, if you PRESS the CD label onto the surface of the disc, you will cause the surface to become distorted. I apply labels to all my burned discs, but I don't press them on against the playing surface. They are applied by holding the disc in the air by the outside edge. You cannot press the playing surface against anything. All these things will cause CDRs to eventually fail. My CDRs are guaranteed to last and last.
	1:47am Fleep: Prodigious typing, dude
	1:49am (mta) Tony: Thanks, Fleep. Yes, I know how to type with my eyes closed at 50 wpm. I type almost as fast as I think. I went to school for it, dude...
	1:51am Minnesota Jeff: Holy balls, MTA Tony! You are dedicated. So there is no version of "Chameleon" on CD so you were forced to make your own from a Vinyl copy?
	1:51am G: Did Lyn know Mamie?
	1:52am Fleep: That fifth and sixth 'again' could lead to chafing
	1:53am Astroglide: I wasn't around yet in the 70s.
	1:54am Minnesota Jeff: Did that bottle of Astroglide just ... talk!
	1:55am Astroglide: I have many hidden talents. Be leeve it.
	1:59am (mta) Tony: That is correct, Jeff. That is what I do for my hobby; I restore vinyl albums that haven't been released on CD. I'm the best at it, and I don't mind saying so. I'm "anal" about my work and hobbies. I always do the best I can. That's how I was raised.
	2:19am Fleep: All covers, all close harmony duets.
	2:26am mark: Glad to say I still have my copy of the Rockpile bonus single too.
	2:27am Joe McG: I don't know if everyone knows that it came bundled with "Seconds of Pleasure" since you see so many of them around loose. But it did!
	2:34am (mta) Tony: Joe, your CDR is fully packaged and will be sent to you on Monday since the post office is closed on Sunday. Enjoix!
	2:39am Joe McG: Can't thank you enough, Tony. Far too much effort on your part, but I thank you for it! I'll be sure to air your CD-R on this very show so folks can hear how good it sounds.
	2:47am (mta) Tony: Wow, that'll be so cool, Joe! It's really my pleasure. I've been playing it continuously for the past 30 hours, so I know what I'm talking about when I say it's a good album. Weird that it didn't fare better, though. I've enclosed a few copies for others there at fmu.
	2:53am 12539: Thanks for the great show, Joe.
	2:55am Joe McG: You bet, 12539. Thanks as always for joining me...
	2:58am (mta) Tony: Great last track!

Surface Noise with Joe McGasko: Playlist from June 26, 2011

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Year	Format	Comments	New	Approx. start time
ABBA	Watch Out "Watch Out" by "ABBA"	Waterloo	Polar	2008	CD	From 1974		0:00:00 (Pop-up)
The Troggs	Give It to Me/Feels Like a Woman	Live at Max's Kansas City	Max's Kansas City	1980	LP			0:06:31 (Pop-up)
The Kids	Hard at the Top "Hard at the Top" by "The Kids"	Anvil Chorus	Atco	1975	LP			0:11:05 (Pop-up)
Humble Pie	Drift Away "Drift Away" by "Humble Pie"	Thunderbox	A&M	1974	LP			0:15:25 (Pop-up)
Dan Penn	If Love Was Money "If Love Was Money" by "Dan Penn"	Delta Swamp Rock - Sounds from the South: At the Crossroads of Rock, Country, and Soul	Soul Jazz	2011	CD	From 1973	*	0:19:03 (Pop-up)
Shirley Scott	Blue Bongo "Blue Bongo" by "Shirley Scott"	Talkin' Verve Series	Verve	2001	CD	From 1964		0:22:27 (Pop-up)
Johnny "Hammond" Smith	What's Going On	What's Going On	Prestige	1971	LP			0:25:18 (Pop-up)

Curtis Mayfield	Love Me (Right in the Pocket)	Got to Find a Way	Curtom	1974	LP			0:41:10 (Pop-up)
Mary Jane Hooper	I've Got What You Want	Psychedelphia: Rare and Unreleased New Orleans Funk: 1968-1969	Funky Delicacies	1997	LP			0:47:51 (Pop-up)
Roberta Flack	Gone Away "Gone Away" by "Roberta Flack"	Chapter Two	Atlantic	1970	LP			0:51:52 (Pop-up)
Mamie Smith	Golfin' Papa "Golfin' Papa" by "Mamie Smith"	Crazy Blues	Legacy	2004	CD	From 1931		0:56:28 (Pop-up)
Alberta Hunter	Take Your Big Hands Off	Classic Alberta Hunter	Stash	1978	LP	From 1946		0:59:16 (Pop-up)
Dianne and Carole	Feelin' the Pain	Boogaloo Pow Wow: Dancefloor Rendez-Vous in Young Nuyorica	Honest Jons	2006	CD	This is the bum CD-R mix; abandoned midway through		1:02:29 (Pop-up)
Willie Rosario	Calypso Blues "Calypso Blues" by "Willie Rosario"	Boogaloo Pow Wow: Dancefloor Rendez-Vous in Young Nuyorica	Honest Jons	2006	CD			1:03:50 (Pop-up)
Markolino Dimond con Frankie Dante	El Quinto de Beethoven	Beethoven's V	Fania/Codigo	2011	CD	From 1975	*	1:06:41 (Pop-up)
Tito Puente with Meñique	Para Los Rumberos	Greatest Hits	Fania/Codigo	2011	CD	From 1972	*	1:12:13 (Pop-up)
The Sir Douglas Quintet	Me and My Destiny	The Mono Singles '68-'72	Sundazed	2011	CD		*	1:16:16 (Pop-up)

American Tears	Born to Love "Born to Love" by "American Tears"		Columbia	1976	45			1:25:51 (Pop-up)
The Mojo Men	Dance with Me "Dance with Me" by "The Mojo Men"		Autumn	1965	45			1:28:57 (Pop-up)
Blondie	Out in the Streets "Out in the Streets" by "Blondie"		Blondie	1975	45			1:31:25 (Pop-up)
Donna Duboy	Echoes "Echoes" by "Donna Duboy"		Soundwaves	1979	45			1:33:48 (Pop-up)
The Hot Dogs	Say What You Mean "Say What You Mean" by "The Hot Dogs"		Ardent	1973	45			1:36:58 (Pop-up)
Weinstein and Stroll	The Cat Was a Junkie		Chips	1970	45			1:41:25 (Pop-up)
Lyn Collins (The Female Preacher)	Rock Me Again & Again & Again & Again & Again & Again		People	1974	45			1:43:52 (Pop-up)
Evie Sands	You Brought the Woman Out of Me		Capitol	1975	45			1:47:16 (Pop-up)
Mike and Bill	Somebody's Gotta Go (Sho Ain't Me)		Arista	1975	45			1:50:52 (Pop-up)

Nick Lowe and Dave Edmunds	Take a Message to Mary	Sing the Everly Brothers	F-Beat	1980	EP			2:06:36 (Pop-up)
Richard and Linda Thompson	Crying in the Rain		No Label	1980	MP3	On "Rockpalaste," German TV		2:08:32 (Pop-up)
The Bunch	When Will I Be Loved "When Will I Be Loved" by "The Bunch"	Rock On	A&M	1972	LP	Featuring Sandy Denny and Linda Peters (Thompson)		2:12:06 (Pop-up)
The Everly Brothers	Mandolin Wind	Stories We Can Tell	One Way	1997	CD	From 1972		2:15:13 (Pop-up)
The Faces	Sweet Lady Mary "Sweet Lady Mary" by "The Faces"	Long Player	Warner Archives	1993	CD	From 1971		2:18:30 (Pop-up)
Ronnie Lane (with Pete Townshend)	Annie	Rough Mix	Hip-O/Universal	2006	CD	From 1977		2:23:58 (Pop-up)

Trúbrot	Everything's Alright "Everything's Alright" by "Trúbrot"	Undir Ahrifum	Normal	2011	CD	From 1970	*	2:32:45 (Pop-up)
Magic Bubble	Cry Cry "Cry Cry" by "Magic Bubble"	Magic Bubble	Fallout	2008	CD	From 1969		2:36:32 (Pop-up)
Kathy Smith	What Nancy Knows "What Nancy Knows" by "Kathy Smith"	Some Songs I've Saved	Fallout	2008	CD	From 1970		2:41:01 (Pop-up)
B.B. Blunder	Seed "Seed" by "B.B. Blunder"	Workers' Playtime	Polydor	1971	LP			2:45:39 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	12:16am Nigel Tufnel: This one goes to 11! Sex Farm Woman! Sniff the glove!
	12:30am (mta) Tony: Good morning, Joe. I think it's very interesting that at this very moment I have finished restoring the Frankie Valli album, "Chameleon," to CDR. I just ejected it from the CD player after listening to it to ensure it plays and sounds perfect. All artwork is done, so I'll be applying the label to the disc right now! It took 30 hours to get the pops, clicks, and ticks out, but it was worth it because it sounds great!
	12:33am Joe McG: 30 hours! I hope you're joking, Tony.
	12:36am G: I've hung out in music trading circles for many years. People often spend many, many hours fixing various issues and "remastering" so they can then distribute the best version of a show or recording...
	12:37am Joe McG: God bless 'em! Seems like so much work to me! But then, this program is called Surface Noise.
	12:40am G: Some people are even really anal about eliminating that little click between tracks that sometimes shows up when live shows are burned to CD. They will argue up one side and down the other about whether you can hear it or not, and some people won't accept a version of a recorded show where they think there is a faint click at track transitions. Seriously.
	12:42am (mta) Tony: Yes Joe, G is correct. As a general rule of thumb, it takes one hour for every minute of music. This album is indeed 33 minutes long, and that coincides perfectly with the general rule regarding remastering. I've remastered many, many albums, so I'm a pro at it, and it can't be done faster while maintaining the same degree of perfection. I can use the computer to automate the procedure, but I do it manually to reduce distortion on segments that don't need filtering. A computer can't tell what's good "noise" from bad noise. A manual job is the only way to get the BEST results. And again, G is right, I have eliminated EVERY single extraneous sound there is. It takes time, but I love music so I don't mind...
	12:42am Joe B: One of those two Troggs songs made up their entire set at the record fair one year!
	12:47am Joe McG: Hey, Joe, thanks for reminding me about that!
	1:05am G: Mamie seems to have a lot of complaints about his technique.
	1:06am Joe McG: Guess he needs to work on his stroke.
	1:06am G: Yep.
	1:06am Joe McG: Heh heh.
	1:09am (mta) Tony: Yes Joe, it's funny that although your show is called "Surface Noise," I've spent many thousands of hours removing "noise" from LPs that are unavailable on CD. The noise wasn't put there on the record by the artist(s). It's an inherent deficiency in the media that causes the distortions and weren't intended to be part of the songs. The "surface noise" was something that we all had to endure because we had little choice otherwise. Most have grown accustomed to it, but I always hated it, to the point that I rarely ever bought an album. The result of THAT fact is now I have well over 10,000 factory pressed (official) CDs in my library. There's no excuse anymore to NOT invest in the music!
	1:10am Joe McG: Wow, Tony, that's some impressive library!
	1:21am (mta) Tony: Yep, and you won't find a single pop, click, or tick, anywhere. If I remember correctly, you originally were playing 78 r.p.m. records which derived your show name. Though the playing of 78s never fully materialized into the future, you kept the show title nevertheless, am I right?
	1:25am Joe McG: That's right, Tony. I haven't done a 78 set in a while, I should do one soon.
	1:28am G: Two mono tracks in a row would be "mono a mono".
	1:32am Joe McG: Hee hee.
	1:36am Fleep: More tambourine!
	1:37am Joe McG: Hey, fleep! Eh Eh!
	1:37am G: CD crackling can be either due to cheap crappy media (discs), high burn speed when the disc was created, older playback equipment, more delicate playback equipment, etc. To sort out what the issue is, you need to experiment by trying different things, and see what that tells you...
	1:39am Fleep: Debbie Harry's ability to miss every single note in that who gives a hoot voice is singular, evening Joe
	1:40am G: Blondes don't need to hit notes, maybe that's it???
	1:42am Joe McG: Not if the blonde is Debbie Harry, as far as I'm concerned!
	1:43am 12539: I keep expecting that guy's 'echo' voice to break into "Hey St Peter," or "Walking in the Rain."
	1:43am G: DINGDINGDINGDING
	1:43am (mta) Tony: Re: the noise of CDRs: No, I'm sorry I don't know the exact reason, cause, or name of the phenomenon, but I HAVE learned how to stop it: The first thing is you've got to get a $300 Plextor CD Writer IF you are going to use your computer to burn discs. If you don't have one of these pro CD burners in your computer, your CDRs will eventually die. When the discs come out after burning, they're so hot, you can hardly touch them. In other words, the data is REALLY burned into the media surface. Cheapo computer bay mounted DVD/CD burners are crap for CDs. The DVDs they make are more reliable than the CDs they make. Next, you must use high-grade blank media. Cheapo media will always eventually die. Mitsumi is probably the best. Finally, if you PRESS the CD label onto the surface of the disc, you will cause the surface to become distorted. I apply labels to all my burned discs, but I don't press them on against the playing surface. They are applied by holding the disc in the air by the outside edge. You cannot press the playing surface against anything. All these things will cause CDRs to eventually fail. My CDRs are guaranteed to last and last.
	1:47am Fleep: Prodigious typing, dude
	1:49am (mta) Tony: Thanks, Fleep. Yes, I know how to type with my eyes closed at 50 wpm. I type almost as fast as I think. I went to school for it, dude...
	1:51am Minnesota Jeff: Holy balls, MTA Tony! You are dedicated. So there is no version of "Chameleon" on CD so you were forced to make your own from a Vinyl copy?
	1:51am G: Did Lyn know Mamie?
	1:52am Fleep: That fifth and sixth 'again' could lead to chafing
	1:53am Astroglide: I wasn't around yet in the 70s.
	1:54am Minnesota Jeff: Did that bottle of Astroglide just ... talk!
	1:55am Astroglide: I have many hidden talents. Be leeve it.
	1:59am (mta) Tony: That is correct, Jeff. That is what I do for my hobby; I restore vinyl albums that haven't been released on CD. I'm the best at it, and I don't mind saying so. I'm "anal" about my work and hobbies. I always do the best I can. That's how I was raised.
	2:19am Fleep: All covers, all close harmony duets.
	2:26am mark: Glad to say I still have my copy of the Rockpile bonus single too.
	2:27am Joe McG: I don't know if everyone knows that it came bundled with "Seconds of Pleasure" since you see so many of them around loose. But it did!
	2:34am (mta) Tony: Joe, your CDR is fully packaged and will be sent to you on Monday since the post office is closed on Sunday. Enjoix!
	2:39am Joe McG: Can't thank you enough, Tony. Far too much effort on your part, but I thank you for it! I'll be sure to air your CD-R on this very show so folks can hear how good it sounds.
	2:47am (mta) Tony: Wow, that'll be so cool, Joe! It's really my pleasure. I've been playing it continuously for the past 30 hours, so I know what I'm talking about when I say it's a good album. Weird that it didn't fare better, though. I've enclosed a few copies for others there at fmu.
	2:53am 12539: Thanks for the great show, Joe.
	2:55am Joe McG: You bet, 12539. Thanks as always for joining me...
	2:58am (mta) Tony: Great last track!

Surface Noise with Joe McGasko: Playlist from June 26, 2011

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