WFMU: World of Echo with Dave Mandl: Playlist from February 3, 2013

Listener comments!
	9:01pm Dave Mandl: Evening, boys and girls.
	9:02pm Dave E: Hi there Dave
	9:03pm Dave Mandl: Hey Dave. I hope we have ten Daves again this week.
	9:04pm Dave E: I'm heading to bed but will keep Dave M on in the background
	9:04pm Dave E: Dave is a very common name . . . my goodness there are 5 or 6 where I work.
	9:04pm G: I have an Uncle Dave, close as I get.
	9:05pm Dave Mandl: I'll try not to play anything too jarring.
	9:05pm Dave Mandl: (I mean, so you can go to sleep, Dave)
	9:05pm Dave E: What a coincidence, I am an Uncle Dave
	9:05pm G: Nice photo essay, I left some comments about the Bay Ridge Branch railway trench you included...
	9:05pm Ken From Hyde Park: Dave's not here, man!
	9:07pm Dave Mandl: @G: Ah, thanks.
	9:08pm Dave E: Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
	9:10pm Dave E: This Brown Whornet is kinda neat - what do you know about him/them?
	9:12pm G: www.brownwhornet.com
	9:15pm Andrew Waterloo: Bonsoir
	9:16pm Dave Mandl: Bienvenue, Andrew.
	9:31pm Marmalade Kitty: Hi Dave & listeners! great set! I'm watching the Superbowl. BBC coverage has no ads!
	9:33pm glenn: i thought the brooklyn photos were great as well.
	9:33pm Dave Mandl: Hey Kitty. But I thought the ads were part of the whole experience?
	9:33pm Dave Mandl: @glenn: Aw, thanks. I appreciate that.
	9:35pm Dave Mandl: Here's a Brooklyn photo I took just this morning. You can be among the first to see it: dmandl.tumblr.com...
	9:36pm Marmalade Kitty: 49rs making a come back! It's gonna be some finish :) 28-20
	9:36pm glenn: for some reason, i love the word canarsie. i don't know why, but i do..
	9:37pm Marmalade Kitty: When CBS go to ads BBC goes to pundits in studio
	9:37pm Dave Mandl: @Kitty: It's been so long since I followed football that I'd never heard of the Ravens.
	9:37pm G: Yes, could actually avoid Stupor Bowl blowout status for once... Was 28-6, now 28-20. Someone woke up the 49ers.
	9:38pm Dave Mandl: @Glenn: Same here about Canarsie. My mother always used to mention it when I was a kid, and it took on this fantastic aura.
	9:41pm G: @Dave: Years ago there were the Baltimore Colts, and as B. declined as a city in winter of 84 they packed up a convoy of trucks and moved to become the Indianapolis Colts. Baltimore was dissed and pissed. Ravens were kind of a makegood in 96 when Art Modell moved the Cleveland Browns to Baltimore and they were renamed with a Poe reference.
	9:42pm glenn: there's a donald e. westlake book, i forget the title, in which canarsie plays a large part.
	9:43pm glenn: yeah, and baltimore temporarily had a canadian football league franchise and won the grey cup, as weird as that sounds.
	9:44pm Dave Mandl: @G: Thanks. So they were created in '96? And I only just found out this week? So much for football.
	9:44pm Dave Mandl: @glenn: I'll look for that book, thanks.
	9:50pm Marmalade Kitty: That must be very disturbing for the fan base of the clubs who shed their id
	9:50pm G: Exactly, Dave. If I had no relatives near Balt, I wouldn't know. They built the Ravens a nice new stadium and everything, probably with a fair amount of public money, as these things usually go, because after all so many local-election voters are football fans.
	9:53pm glenn: www.shelfari.com...
	9:54pm G: 28-23, start of 4th quarter, it's actually a competitive game again. My sense was that SF wasn't as bad a team as they seemed to be playing, I kinda thought they were maybe favored to win???
	9:55pm Ike: Hello all! Nice Gravesend photo, Dave.
	9:58pm G: 31-23, Balt is trying to slow that SF momentum...
	9:59pm Andrew Waterloo: Now that I know who's playing in the Superbowl...
	10:01pm Ike: Years ago, weren't all of the Stupor Bowls boring blowouts? Is it stupid of me to say that I find the recent trend of exciting SB games to be just sliiiiiiightly suspicious? Is there a way to rig the games to even it up a bit? Of course, I'm biased because I think concussion-ball is dumb and borderline psychotic.
	10:02pm Dave Mandl: @Glenn: Thanks for the book info.
	10:02pm Dave Mandl: Hey Ike. Thanks.
	10:04pm Cubicle Carl: @Ike Exactly. That's why we're listening to World of Echo on Superbowl night.
	10:06pm G: Yes, Ike,if interested check the mostly big blowouts 1984-97 vs. more recent years: en.wikipedia.org...
	10:07pm glenn: now, if it was a world series night, that's a different story.
	10:07pm G: are you waiting for toronto to get back in it, glenn? :P
	10:07pm tomB: Hey I thought I was the only one with the My Cat Is Dead CD. and wasn't that the voice of Eric Mingus?
	10:11pm Dave Mandl: @tomB: Yes, Eric Mingus is on that CD. Nice call.
	10:12pm glenn: there gonna be pretty good this year, if the creeks don't rise and the good lord's willin'
	10:12pm glenn: sorry. they're.
	10:12pm G: could be, but dont go overboard and hold your breath...
	10:15pm Andrew Waterloo: The Superbowl is proof that there is no god.
	10:17pm G: @glenn: Vegas has Jays at 15-2 to take the Series, best odds of any team right at the moment.
	10:17pm glenn: believe me, as a maple leafs fan, i know not to go overboard.
	10:18pm Andrew Waterloo: as a leaf fan you should know that you shouldn't even be out on deck
	10:19pm Andrew Waterloo: You may, however, look at the port hole once in awhile
	10:19pm glenn: that's true, and funny.
	10:20pm G: Balt 31 SF 29 barely over 5 minutes, an actual game.
	10:22pm G: 34-29, barely 4 mins left, SF really needs to score now if they want the game, duh
	10:22pm 12539: Dave M, are you going to try some telepathy with Matmos?
	10:23pm Dave Mandl: @12539: Anything's possible. I'll give it a shot if they want me to.
	10:23pm George of Troy: Evening, Dave. Excited to hear that Matmos will be on the show.
	10:24pm Dave Mandl: Hey George. Yeah, me too.
	10:29pm G: Great Crim. choice from a great album SF is 2nd and goal to go, 2 minutes left
	10:31pm G: @Ike 10:01 nfl.com site just said each of the last four super bowls has had a game-winning scoring drive in the 4th quarter. amazing coincidence...
	10:35pm Droll: [short break from lurking in kitchen] iTunes tells me its been 2 years 3 months since I last listened to that KC album. Thanks for the reminder -- terrible oversight on my part. Red also just got scheduled. [back to kitchen lurking]
	10:36pm G: Baltimore held them. SF had first and goal at about 6, and then lost the ball on downs without scoring. close but no cigar, guys
	10:46pm Ken From Hyde Park: Harbaugh 1, Harbaugh 0
	10:46pm G: 34-31, final. Baltimore took a deliberate 2-point safety to kill the clock down to 4 seconds and give SF no chance to score again
	10:51pm G: Want noise? Here's a humungo solar radiation burst frying the living crap out of some shortwave transmission today. It's from a large sunspot that is turning toward the earth this week -- spaceweather.com...
	10:54pm Ken From Hyde Park: So, is WFMU the official Free Form Radio Station of Super Bowl XLVIII?
	10:55pm G: @Ken: not any more :)
	11:02pm G: ether/or net
	11:02pm George of Troy: Coincidentally, I discovered today that Jozef Van Wissem (who played on a previous track) also played on an M.B. record from a few years ago called Das Platinzeitalter that I like quite a bit.
	11:06pm 12539: Dave M, a playlist search shows you've actually played from a few other Cale albums. Does this count towards the 2% rock n roll?
	11:08pm Dave Mandl: Have I? Damn the internet. I can't remember playing anything but Paris 1919, but the playlist search doesn't lie.
	11:10pm G: Quite the sotaque carioca (rio de janeiro accent) on display here
	11:11pm 12539: Vintage Violence, Eat/Kiss, HoboSapiens...(nice Vinicius track here).
	11:13pm Dave Mandl: @12539: Thanks. Glad I've actually played all those Cale records, but seriously I always want to play Paris 1919.
	11:17pm G: looped cello
	11:25pm braveness23: This Simone White is pretty. I've never listened to WFMU in the evening, just during M-F 8-5. Well done! I'll be listening in the evenings more often.
	11:26pm Droll: Ethernet is a pedestrian name depending on where you are on in the technology curve. Back in my day a band could get by with just "Wire". Collector Alert: Sony is retiring MiniDisc in March!
	11:27pm braveness23: I'm going to name my band The OSI Model
	11:29pm Dave Mandl: @braveness23: Great. Welcome to the evening.
	11:30pm Dave Mandl: @Droll: I know. But it's the name of a networking protocol. An odd choice, but maybe that's a good thing.
	11:30pm Dave Mandl: Naturally I've got a bunch of things on MiniDisc. I actually liked that technology. I used to record my shows on MD.
	11:37pm Droll: HotChip also has a dubious band name. It's a fab lot term and a conference name. Always made me squirm. I hated cassette and switched to MD as soon as it became available in 92-93. I always admired the clever pricing that blanks cost as much as recorded MDs. Last summer I ripped all my MDs to WAVs, rediscovering lots of lost gems, then took the MD player down the the electronics recycler.
	11:40pm braveness23: Heh, I dabbled in alternate media. Wish I could borrow a DAT player for a weekend to get some treasures off of it.
	11:42pm Pete from Boston (and NJ): On last week's Seven Second Delay, after the show's premise was exhausted 35 minutes in, it changed to an "oldest regularly used electronic technology you own" show. One guy called and said he had a working DCC (digital compact cassette) player! Remember those? MiniDisc vs. DCC was supposed to be the next VHS vs. Beta, except consumers ignored both. 33 minutes, I believe, was the caller's estimation of the time it took for them to become obsolete.
	11:43pm braveness23: Today I choose whatever medium is most likely to be playable when I'm 70. If you can't listen to MP3's or look at PDF's in 2050 then it probably means the world has blown up.
	11:45pm Andrew Waterloo: Economist had a short comment in their last issue which argued that the only technologies that truly die are digital. Basically, we still have vinyl, we still have cassette, but we don't have DAT, or MiniDisc etc.
	11:45pm Pete from Boston (and NJ): braveness23, you mean folk tradition, in other words -- if you can perform it and pass it on, it's pretty much the only guarantee it'll still be around.
	11:46pm braveness23: But we do have some file formats that seem to be enduring pretty well.
	11:49pm Andrew Waterloo: @B23, true, but how many have survived because incremental updates that couldn't have happened in the strictly hardware world.
	11:49pm Droll: AW, Not true: Lots of analog formats are gone -- try and find an 8-track player. Digital stuff is now advanced enough that machine simulators are fast enough to run old programs in a virtual machine. We can run Atari and Colecovision games today in our browsers. And we'll eventually run browsers emulating 8-bit games in neural mind-link devices.
	11:52pm Ike: I often ponder: Will that neural mind-link device of the future allow me to upload my consciousness elsewhere? Should we want to do that?
	11:52pm Andrew Waterloo: @Droll, the point is the hardware is gone. The technology changed from a machine that reads a program from a card, to software that reads a file.
	11:54pm 12539: Viva la radio!
	11:56pm braveness23: In yours and my lifetimes (and our childrens) I'll bet we never own a digital device that doesn't know what an MP3, PDF and JPG are. Just sayin'. We are rapidly hitting the point where compression isn't necessary but these lossy formats are still pretty damned acceptable. Rarely do I need ot look at a picture and be assured that the 45th thousand pixel from the left 89 million rows down is the precise color it was in real life.
	11:57pm 12539: ..and all its digital extensions. Nice show, Dave.
	11:59pm Dave Mandl: Thanks, everyone. Have a great week.
	12:00am Droll: I already have .ppt and .doc files I can't read. See y'inz next week (or 3 minutes)
	12:00am G: braveness: as you say, mp3 is lossy, and i bet there will be a move to a non-lossy audio format as storage cost keeps coming down, with mp3s being able to be played on equipment that plays the new non-lossy format as it takes over. i see many audiophile and into-music types who view mp3 as temporary. remember when CDs were going to last "virtually forever"?

World of Echo with Dave Mandl: Playlist from February 3, 2013

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February 3, 2013

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Artist	Track	Album	Approx. start time
Sun Ra	The Song of Drums "The Song of Drums" by "Sun Ra"	Cosmo Earth Fantasy	0:00:00 (Pop-up)
Brown Whornet	Danse Raja "Danse Raja" by "Brown Whornet"	Brown Whornet	0:05:52 (Pop-up)
Oren Ambarchi & Robin Fox	Standing Mandala	Connected	0:11:20 (Pop-up)
Jeff & Jane Hudson	Help Me "Help Me" by "Jeff & Jane Hudson"	Flesh	0:20:09 (Pop-up)

Tom Johnson	VII "VII" by "Tom Johnson"	Organ and Silence	0:31:47 (Pop-up)
Wim Mertens	Often a Bird "Often a Bird" by "Wim Mertens"	Jardin Clos	0:35:48 (Pop-up)
Kammerflimmer Kollektief	Nachtwache, 15. September	Absencen	0:39:35 (Pop-up)

Eric Dolphy	Half Note Triplets "Half Note Triplets" by "Eric Dolphy"	Vintage Dolphy	0:50:55 (Pop-up)
Theo Bleckmann/Fumio Yasuda	Moon of Alabama	Berlin	0:59:39 (Pop-up)
Karen Mantler	My Cat Arnold Is Dead	Karen Mantler's Pet Project	1:03:37 (Pop-up)
Julie Tippetts & Martin Archer	Entry of the Scarabs	Serpentine	1:09:29 (Pop-up)
Jon & Utsunomia	Hi Hi Hi "Hi Hi Hi" by "Jon & Utsunomia"	Horen	1:13:43 (Pop-up)

Matmos	Stupid Fambaloo "Stupid Fambaloo" by "Matmos"	Quasi-Objects	1:21:33 (Pop-up)
King Crimson	Lament "Lament" by "King Crimson"	Starless and Bible Black	1:26:34 (Pop-up)
H. P. Lovecraft	That's How Much I Love You Baby (More or Less)	H. P. Lovecraft	1:30:48 (Pop-up)
Jo Jo Gunne	Babylon "Babylon" by "Jo Jo Gunne"	Jo Jo Gunne	1:34:18 (Pop-up)

Jon Mueller / Robbie Lee / Jozef Van Wissem	This Is How We Sing	V/A: New Music for Old Instruments	1:43:05 (Pop-up)
Ethernet	Correction "Correction" by "Ethernet"	Opus 2	1:48:45 (Pop-up)
Chilly Gonzales	White Keys "White Keys" by "Chilly Gonzales"	Solo Piano II	1:56:51 (Pop-up)

John Cale	Helen of Troy "Helen of Troy" by "John Cale"	Helen of Troy	2:02:53 (Pop-up)
Vinicius Cantuária	Maravilhar "Maravilhar" by "Vinicius Cantuária"	Tucumã	2:08:01 (Pop-up)
Takeyari Shunta	Moon Shine "Moon Shine" by "Takeyari Shunta"	A Place Doesn't Exist	2:10:50 (Pop-up)
Julia Kent	Ailanthus "Ailanthus" by "Julia Kent"	Green and Grey	2:14:51 (Pop-up)

Simone White	Flowers in May "Flowers in May" by "Simone White"	Silver Silver	2:22:04 (Pop-up)
Anthony Braxton	Simple Like "Simple Like" by "Anthony Braxton"	Actuel 6	2:27:06 (Pop-up)
Do Make Say Think	The Landlord Is Dead	Goodbye Enemy Airship the Landlord Is Dead	2:36:10 (Pop-up)

Razen + Razen Featuring Andrew Liles	Rabies Gum	Rope House Temper	2:44:49 (Pop-up)
Stian Westerhus	Like Passing Rain Through 9 Lives	The Matriarch and the Wrong Kind of Flowers	2:49:13 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	9:01pm Dave Mandl: Evening, boys and girls.
	9:02pm Dave E: Hi there Dave
	9:03pm Dave Mandl: Hey Dave. I hope we have ten Daves again this week.
	9:04pm Dave E: I'm heading to bed but will keep Dave M on in the background
	9:04pm Dave E: Dave is a very common name . . . my goodness there are 5 or 6 where I work.
	9:04pm G: I have an Uncle Dave, close as I get.
	9:05pm Dave Mandl: I'll try not to play anything too jarring.
	9:05pm Dave Mandl: (I mean, so you can go to sleep, Dave)
	9:05pm Dave E: What a coincidence, I am an Uncle Dave
	9:05pm G: Nice photo essay, I left some comments about the Bay Ridge Branch railway trench you included...
	9:05pm Ken From Hyde Park: Dave's not here, man!
	9:07pm Dave Mandl: @G: Ah, thanks.
	9:08pm Dave E: Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
	9:10pm Dave E: This Brown Whornet is kinda neat - what do you know about him/them?
	9:12pm G: www.brownwhornet.com
	9:15pm Andrew Waterloo: Bonsoir
	9:16pm Dave Mandl: Bienvenue, Andrew.
	9:31pm Marmalade Kitty: Hi Dave & listeners! great set! I'm watching the Superbowl. BBC coverage has no ads!
	9:33pm glenn: i thought the brooklyn photos were great as well.
	9:33pm Dave Mandl: Hey Kitty. But I thought the ads were part of the whole experience?
	9:33pm Dave Mandl: @glenn: Aw, thanks. I appreciate that.
	9:35pm Dave Mandl: Here's a Brooklyn photo I took just this morning. You can be among the first to see it: dmandl.tumblr.com...
	9:36pm Marmalade Kitty: 49rs making a come back! It's gonna be some finish :) 28-20
	9:36pm glenn: for some reason, i love the word canarsie. i don't know why, but i do..
	9:37pm Marmalade Kitty: When CBS go to ads BBC goes to pundits in studio
	9:37pm Dave Mandl: @Kitty: It's been so long since I followed football that I'd never heard of the Ravens.
	9:37pm G: Yes, could actually avoid Stupor Bowl blowout status for once... Was 28-6, now 28-20. Someone woke up the 49ers.
	9:38pm Dave Mandl: @Glenn: Same here about Canarsie. My mother always used to mention it when I was a kid, and it took on this fantastic aura.
	9:41pm G: @Dave: Years ago there were the Baltimore Colts, and as B. declined as a city in winter of 84 they packed up a convoy of trucks and moved to become the Indianapolis Colts. Baltimore was dissed and pissed. Ravens were kind of a makegood in 96 when Art Modell moved the Cleveland Browns to Baltimore and they were renamed with a Poe reference.
	9:42pm glenn: there's a donald e. westlake book, i forget the title, in which canarsie plays a large part.
	9:43pm glenn: yeah, and baltimore temporarily had a canadian football league franchise and won the grey cup, as weird as that sounds.
	9:44pm Dave Mandl: @G: Thanks. So they were created in '96? And I only just found out this week? So much for football.
	9:44pm Dave Mandl: @glenn: I'll look for that book, thanks.
	9:50pm Marmalade Kitty: That must be very disturbing for the fan base of the clubs who shed their id
	9:50pm G: Exactly, Dave. If I had no relatives near Balt, I wouldn't know. They built the Ravens a nice new stadium and everything, probably with a fair amount of public money, as these things usually go, because after all so many local-election voters are football fans.
	9:53pm glenn: www.shelfari.com...
	9:54pm G: 28-23, start of 4th quarter, it's actually a competitive game again. My sense was that SF wasn't as bad a team as they seemed to be playing, I kinda thought they were maybe favored to win???
	9:55pm Ike: Hello all! Nice Gravesend photo, Dave.
	9:58pm G: 31-23, Balt is trying to slow that SF momentum...
	9:59pm Andrew Waterloo: Now that I know who's playing in the Superbowl...
	10:01pm Ike: Years ago, weren't all of the Stupor Bowls boring blowouts? Is it stupid of me to say that I find the recent trend of exciting SB games to be just sliiiiiiightly suspicious? Is there a way to rig the games to even it up a bit? Of course, I'm biased because I think concussion-ball is dumb and borderline psychotic.
	10:02pm Dave Mandl: @Glenn: Thanks for the book info.
	10:02pm Dave Mandl: Hey Ike. Thanks.
	10:04pm Cubicle Carl: @Ike Exactly. That's why we're listening to World of Echo on Superbowl night.
	10:06pm G: Yes, Ike,if interested check the mostly big blowouts 1984-97 vs. more recent years: en.wikipedia.org...
	10:07pm glenn: now, if it was a world series night, that's a different story.
	10:07pm G: are you waiting for toronto to get back in it, glenn? :P
	10:07pm tomB: Hey I thought I was the only one with the My Cat Is Dead CD. and wasn't that the voice of Eric Mingus?
	10:11pm Dave Mandl: @tomB: Yes, Eric Mingus is on that CD. Nice call.
	10:12pm glenn: there gonna be pretty good this year, if the creeks don't rise and the good lord's willin'
	10:12pm glenn: sorry. they're.
	10:12pm G: could be, but dont go overboard and hold your breath...
	10:15pm Andrew Waterloo: The Superbowl is proof that there is no god.
	10:17pm G: @glenn: Vegas has Jays at 15-2 to take the Series, best odds of any team right at the moment.
	10:17pm glenn: believe me, as a maple leafs fan, i know not to go overboard.
	10:18pm Andrew Waterloo: as a leaf fan you should know that you shouldn't even be out on deck
	10:19pm Andrew Waterloo: You may, however, look at the port hole once in awhile
	10:19pm glenn: that's true, and funny.
	10:20pm G: Balt 31 SF 29 barely over 5 minutes, an actual game.
	10:22pm G: 34-29, barely 4 mins left, SF really needs to score now if they want the game, duh
	10:22pm 12539: Dave M, are you going to try some telepathy with Matmos?
	10:23pm Dave Mandl: @12539: Anything's possible. I'll give it a shot if they want me to.
	10:23pm George of Troy: Evening, Dave. Excited to hear that Matmos will be on the show.
	10:24pm Dave Mandl: Hey George. Yeah, me too.
	10:29pm G: Great Crim. choice from a great album SF is 2nd and goal to go, 2 minutes left
	10:31pm G: @Ike 10:01 nfl.com site just said each of the last four super bowls has had a game-winning scoring drive in the 4th quarter. amazing coincidence...
	10:35pm Droll: [short break from lurking in kitchen] iTunes tells me its been 2 years 3 months since I last listened to that KC album. Thanks for the reminder -- terrible oversight on my part. Red also just got scheduled. [back to kitchen lurking]
	10:36pm G: Baltimore held them. SF had first and goal at about 6, and then lost the ball on downs without scoring. close but no cigar, guys
	10:46pm Ken From Hyde Park: Harbaugh 1, Harbaugh 0
	10:46pm G: 34-31, final. Baltimore took a deliberate 2-point safety to kill the clock down to 4 seconds and give SF no chance to score again
	10:51pm G: Want noise? Here's a humungo solar radiation burst frying the living crap out of some shortwave transmission today. It's from a large sunspot that is turning toward the earth this week -- spaceweather.com...
	10:54pm Ken From Hyde Park: So, is WFMU the official Free Form Radio Station of Super Bowl XLVIII?
	10:55pm G: @Ken: not any more :)
	11:02pm G: ether/or net
	11:02pm George of Troy: Coincidentally, I discovered today that Jozef Van Wissem (who played on a previous track) also played on an M.B. record from a few years ago called Das Platinzeitalter that I like quite a bit.
	11:06pm 12539: Dave M, a playlist search shows you've actually played from a few other Cale albums. Does this count towards the 2% rock n roll?
	11:08pm Dave Mandl: Have I? Damn the internet. I can't remember playing anything but Paris 1919, but the playlist search doesn't lie.
	11:10pm G: Quite the sotaque carioca (rio de janeiro accent) on display here
	11:11pm 12539: Vintage Violence, Eat/Kiss, HoboSapiens...(nice Vinicius track here).
	11:13pm Dave Mandl: @12539: Thanks. Glad I've actually played all those Cale records, but seriously I always want to play Paris 1919.
	11:17pm G: looped cello
	11:25pm braveness23: This Simone White is pretty. I've never listened to WFMU in the evening, just during M-F 8-5. Well done! I'll be listening in the evenings more often.
	11:26pm Droll: Ethernet is a pedestrian name depending on where you are on in the technology curve. Back in my day a band could get by with just "Wire". Collector Alert: Sony is retiring MiniDisc in March!
	11:27pm braveness23: I'm going to name my band The OSI Model
	11:29pm Dave Mandl: @braveness23: Great. Welcome to the evening.
	11:30pm Dave Mandl: @Droll: I know. But it's the name of a networking protocol. An odd choice, but maybe that's a good thing.
	11:30pm Dave Mandl: Naturally I've got a bunch of things on MiniDisc. I actually liked that technology. I used to record my shows on MD.
	11:37pm Droll: HotChip also has a dubious band name. It's a fab lot term and a conference name. Always made me squirm. I hated cassette and switched to MD as soon as it became available in 92-93. I always admired the clever pricing that blanks cost as much as recorded MDs. Last summer I ripped all my MDs to WAVs, rediscovering lots of lost gems, then took the MD player down the the electronics recycler.
	11:40pm braveness23: Heh, I dabbled in alternate media. Wish I could borrow a DAT player for a weekend to get some treasures off of it.
	11:42pm Pete from Boston (and NJ): On last week's Seven Second Delay, after the show's premise was exhausted 35 minutes in, it changed to an "oldest regularly used electronic technology you own" show. One guy called and said he had a working DCC (digital compact cassette) player! Remember those? MiniDisc vs. DCC was supposed to be the next VHS vs. Beta, except consumers ignored both. 33 minutes, I believe, was the caller's estimation of the time it took for them to become obsolete.
	11:43pm braveness23: Today I choose whatever medium is most likely to be playable when I'm 70. If you can't listen to MP3's or look at PDF's in 2050 then it probably means the world has blown up.
	11:45pm Andrew Waterloo: Economist had a short comment in their last issue which argued that the only technologies that truly die are digital. Basically, we still have vinyl, we still have cassette, but we don't have DAT, or MiniDisc etc.
	11:45pm Pete from Boston (and NJ): braveness23, you mean folk tradition, in other words -- if you can perform it and pass it on, it's pretty much the only guarantee it'll still be around.
	11:46pm braveness23: But we do have some file formats that seem to be enduring pretty well.
	11:49pm Andrew Waterloo: @B23, true, but how many have survived because incremental updates that couldn't have happened in the strictly hardware world.
	11:49pm Droll: AW, Not true: Lots of analog formats are gone -- try and find an 8-track player. Digital stuff is now advanced enough that machine simulators are fast enough to run old programs in a virtual machine. We can run Atari and Colecovision games today in our browsers. And we'll eventually run browsers emulating 8-bit games in neural mind-link devices.
	11:52pm Ike: I often ponder: Will that neural mind-link device of the future allow me to upload my consciousness elsewhere? Should we want to do that?
	11:52pm Andrew Waterloo: @Droll, the point is the hardware is gone. The technology changed from a machine that reads a program from a card, to software that reads a file.
	11:54pm 12539: Viva la radio!
	11:56pm braveness23: In yours and my lifetimes (and our childrens) I'll bet we never own a digital device that doesn't know what an MP3, PDF and JPG are. Just sayin'. We are rapidly hitting the point where compression isn't necessary but these lossy formats are still pretty damned acceptable. Rarely do I need ot look at a picture and be assured that the 45th thousand pixel from the left 89 million rows down is the precise color it was in real life.
	11:57pm 12539: ..and all its digital extensions. Nice show, Dave.
	11:59pm Dave Mandl: Thanks, everyone. Have a great week.
	12:00am Droll: I already have .ppt and .doc files I can't read. See y'inz next week (or 3 minutes)
	12:00am G: braveness: as you say, mp3 is lossy, and i bet there will be a move to a non-lossy audio format as storage cost keeps coming down, with mp3s being able to be played on equipment that plays the new non-lossy format as it takes over. i see many audiophile and into-music types who view mp3 as temporary. remember when CDs were going to last "virtually forever"?

World of Echo with Dave Mandl: Playlist from February 3, 2013

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