WFMU: Tony Coulter: Playlist from December 9, 2014

Listener comments!
	11:53am Artie Haywire: In to win.
	11:54am Carmichael: Hiiiisssss, Tony!
	11:58am Jeff the Elk: S'up.
	11:59am Tony Coulter: Hey there, Artie, Carmichael, & Jeff!! Prepare to learn how to hiss like an elk.
	🥁 11:59am listener james from westwood: The Elk goes, "Gimme another bourbon. Whose deal is it?" ::passes out in Elks rec room::
	11:59am Tony Coulter: Hola, James!
	12:01pm Jeff Golick: Maybe I'll finally learn what BPO stands for.
	12:01pm DCE: Elk Talk, eh? I know they snort a lot. I'll be interested to hear what they have to say.
	12:02pm Tony Coulter: Heya, DCE! They can get pretty amorous, that much I know.
	12:03pm V Priceless: Hiya Tony!
	12:03pm Cecile: tony!
	12:03pm Carmichael: Well, here you go: www.worldcat.org...
	12:03pm Tony Coulter: Greetings, V Priceless and Cecile!!!
	12:04pm Carmichael: You can also pick this baby up on Ebay for $6.57.
	12:06pm Jeff Golick: There are also some videos: www.worldcat.org...
	12:07pm Rich in Washington: Hellowww Tony!
	12:07pm Rich in Washington: lots of cool treasures to be found in little coastal stores. Must be willing to endure mildew and cat pee, though.
	12:07pm Tony Coulter: Heya, Rich!!
	12:08pm DCE: this is getting me so hot
	12:08pm Carmichael: Vibrating latex ....
	12:08pm Jeff Golick: It's all this diaphragm and latex talk...
	12:09pm Rich in Washington: difficult to do the grunt...
	12:09pm Jeff Golick: This whole tape is one long "that's what she said" set-up.
	12:09pm Tony Coulter: Remember to check with your wife or girlfriend before placing her diaphragm in your mouth.
	12:09pm Rich in Washington: this tape is just begging to be cut up.
	12:10pm Cecile: you know it. it's pretty funny.
	12:10pm Cecile: Tony, you should do a remix contest.
	12:11pm DCE: oh man...
	12:11pm Tony Coulter: Ha! Good idea, Cecile!
	12:12pm Dean: OMG. There's an elk standing outside my window.
	12:12pm Cecile: elks kind of sound like Evan Parker.
	12:12pm Rich in Washington: god, I almost never look at hunting tapes and CDs but there are certainly a lot around these parts.
	12:12pm Dean: Ah, no, whew. It's Ann Elk.
	12:12pm DCE: haha!
	12:12pm Jeff Golick: Has anyone ever seen Evan Parker and Elk Parker in the same room together?
	12:12pm Tony Coulter: Careful, Dean! (and greets!)
	12:13pm Jeff Golick: Ann Elk!!
	12:13pm Dean: @Jeff G. Yes, indeed. I heard them duet at Vision Festival, c.2000.
	🥁 12:13pm listener james from westwood: Do hunters who eat Paleo go out with slate-tipped spears, bows strung with deer gut, etc.? To get the whole early-humanity experience (incl. days of starvation between kills)?
	12:13pm Jeff Golick: Sorry: Anne Elk (www.cardinalfang.net...)
	🥁 12:14pm listener james from westwood: Between this, and the crow-call record Ken would play now and again, FMU has its animal call needs on lockdown.
	12:14pm Rich in Washington: Few appreciated Anne Elk's theories on Brontosauruses.
	12:14pm Cecile: I know some that do. At a Hedningarna concert I talked to a guy who told of his hunting style, and I felt bad for him - he was just born in the wrong century - he totally was a warrior-hunter.
	12:15pm Tony Coulter: Kurt Schwitters is now sitting in with Evan Parker.
	12:15pm Cecile: He would be happy living in a snow cave in the woods. But modern women aren't so into that.
	12:15pm Dean: Didn't John Zorn cover some of this on his Classic Guides to Strategy?
	12:16pm Jeff Golick: How many takes do you think Larry D. Jones needed? Can we expect some outtakes on a future show?
	12:16pm DCE: @ Cecile, I have a brother in law just like that...no woman for him...
	12:17pm Cecile: this sounds like peter brotzmann making sax babies.
	🥁 12:17pm listener james from westwood: From the makers of Duck Dynasty: Elk Empire.
	12:17pm DCE: then again, no cry him either
	12:17pm Jeff Golick: @Cecile: some modern men aren't so into that either, ahem.
	12:17pm Cecile: his third marriage was breaking up, he was pretty much talking to anyone who would listen.
	🥁 12:17pm listener james from westwood: @Jeff: The Larry Jones boxed set will fill in a lot of these gaps. So much better in mono.
	12:18pm Artie Haywire: Who just added a diaphragm elk call to their Xmas gift list?
	12:19pm Cecile: he was talking about trying to live in a log house far from humanity, finding it too constraining, and leaving with his wife and young son sobbing at the door.
	12:19pm Dean: Lemme know when Jones releases his Introduction to Elk Marinade.
	12:21pm Jeff Golick: @ljfw: Ooh nice. Closet mix is my jam.
	12:22pm DCE: "please flip the tape"
	12:22pm DCE: "deer radio friends"?
	12:23pm Tony Coulter: Ha ha!
	12:23pm Gary: How can I possibly compare what I'm doing with what he's doing there?
	12:24pm DCE: NO ONE CAN, Gary!
	12:25pm Dean: I'm guessing Cecile's BIL goes to parties stag.
	12:25pm Rich in Washington: Grunt Tube? Wasn't that a Neue Deutsche Welle band? Are you playing them next?
	12:25pm Gary: I'm a little worried that if I turn the volume up too high, someone in my building will call the ASPCA
	12:25pm DCE: haha both of ya! this is too much fun
	12:26pm Cecile: this isn't my brother in law, it's this guy I talked to once..
	12:26pm Rich in Washington: There is an elk mating sounds CD in KBOO's library that has the distinction of making an appearance on every late night DJs set list at least once.
	12:26pm Jeff Golick: Why "Elk Talk" and not "Elk Calls," I wonder? The internal rhyme?
	12:27pm Gary: Larry is a closet poet, Jeff
	12:27pm Dean: Duly corrected. Meanwhile, Jones' next project will be a transcription of Messiaen's Oiseaux exotiques.
	12:28pm Carmichael: Why this guy didn't rock with Zorn and Partch, I'll never know ...
	12:29pm DCE: ah, that happens to me all the time, I bump a cow in a herd and she was the only one who saw me
	12:29pm DCE: I hate it when that happens
	12:31pm Dean: Best tape hiss I've ever herd.
	12:33pm Dean: This must be from the days before you could just walk into your local Elks Lodge to find an Elk.
	12:33pm DCE: lol, Dean!
	12:34pm DCE: damn, and I thought Frode Gjerstadt got some high tones...
	12:34pm Carmichael: Next thing you know, he'll be hanging out at the Moose Lodge. Cheapest beer in town.
	12:35pm Dean: Folks, I present the Jones diaphragm: http://www.amazon.com/Wilderness-Sound-Persuader-Replacement-Diaphragm/dp/B0002LNMHK
	12:35pm Jeff Golick: All jokes aside, I just don't get hunting. (Said the suburban East Coast cliche.)
	12:36pm Tony Coulter: I'm with you, Jeff.
	12:36pm Carmichael: Just proves that Elks are the Best People on Earth.
	12:37pm Dean: I'm into record hunting, armed to the teeth.
	12:37pm Tony Coulter: Larry should just stick to talking to the elks -- no need to kill them.
	12:38pm Dean: I wonder if Larry's middle name is Dolittle.
	12:38pm Jeff Golick: Indeed, Tony. Was Zorn's game calls stuff meant in jest? Ironic reappropriation? Or was there some genuine interest in that sound-world?
	12:39pm Jeff Golick: Elkish!!
	12:44pm βrian: I was into hunting, as a child. I came to realize the killing aspect was superfluous. Walking and stalking in the woods was beautiful, though.
	12:45pm Tony Coulter: Much of this tape is pretty lo-fi -- as you will have noticed.
	12:45pm Tony Coulter: Hey, βrian!
	🥁 12:46pm listener james from westwood: @Jeff, just as a coda of yesterday's "Ghost Dog" discussion, the moment when Henry Silva, amid a tangent re: "Ghost Dog" reminding him of Native American names, contemplates Black Elk, then imitates an elk. :O
	12:47pm Rich in Washington: I know what you mean, Jeff G., βrian: I too grew up with hunting-as-rite-of-passage, having grown up in the rural NW but it really didn't do much for me. I do find that the hunter-gatherer part of my brain is stimulated and satisfied by rummaging through thrift stores, junk stores, etc..
	12:49pm βrian: Talk to the mallards: www.youtube.com...
	12:50pm Tony Coulter: By the way, I forgot to mention: these are Mexican elk calls we're listening to now.
	12:55pm fleep: Too late for Mexican elk calls, but in time for Krishna?
	12:57pm Tony Coulter: Heya, Fleep! Actually, this IS the Krishna tape. He managed to convert the elks of Mexico.
	1:02pm βrian: There was a mounted elk head over the upright piano in my childhood friend's bare dank basement. I doubt the piano had ever been tuned. It felt a bit like playing in the Addams family house.
	1:03pm fleep: Whatever it is, I'm doing yoga to it.
	1:09pm Jeff Golick: Plate of shrimp, @james, plate of shrimp.
	1:11pm Dean: Safari? Again with the hunting motif!
	1:12pm Tony Coulter: Damn bleed-through. Just think of it as a band rehearsing in the next room.
	1:14pm Carmichael: I found this cassette on a KBOO playlist. They refer to it as "Classical Archievement Series, Cass 6666". kboo.fm...
	1:15pm Cecile: What is R.I.O.?
	1:15pm Dean: There is a wonderful (and wonderfully recorded) disc on Winter & Winter, Uri Caine's Wagner e Venezia, that includes bleed-through from other performance spaces in the venue. It's unsettling, but fascinating.
	1:15pm northguineahills: Loving these sounds.
	1:17pm Tony Coulter: @ Carmichael: Yep -- I gave a burn of this cassette to someone at KBOO who does a great Mexican experimental music show. It does say "Classical Achievement Series, Cassette 6666" -- but it's just handwritten.
	1:17pm Cecile: I'll have to preview that, dean. I wasn't too excited by Caine in concert, and his other discs have left me a bit cold
	1:18pm Jeff Golick: I'm with you, Cecile, on the Caine classical-inspired albums I've heard.
	1:18pm Carmichael: Thanks, Tony. As soon as I saw KBOO is in Portland, I figgered something was up.
	1:19pm Tony Coulter: @ Cecile: R.I.O. = Rock in Opposition
	1:19pm Tony Coulter: Greetings, NGH!
	1:19pm Cecile: oh! Like in the Eastern Bloc?
	1:20pm Jeff Golick: @Cecile: "The music the record companies don't want you to hear." More here: en.wikipedia.org...
	1:20pm Dean: Caine is definitely hit-or-miss in my experience. The Goldberg Variations project, for example, is so wacky-zany-out-there it's worth the price of admission, but I'm such a fan of more, uh, traditional Bach I have a hard time enduring it. But the Wagner record does a good job of invoking time past, which seems to be one of Stefan Winter's happy conceits.
	1:20pm Cecile: oh! That rings a bell now. What a good way to describe that type of music.
	1:22pm Tony Coulter: Here's a link to that experimental Mexican music show on KBOO -- it's well worth checking out: kboo.fm...
	1:23pm Jeff Golick: @Dean: that bleed-thru is a curious-seeming choice for a Winter & Winter project...
	1:25pm Tony Coulter: Methinks this early '80s Mexican scene would be much better known if they hasn't been mostly limited to mega-crappy recording equipment.
	1:26pm Rich in Washington: La Ruleta is indeed amazing. That Alejandro is one cool cat.
	1:26pm Dean: @JeffG: It is obviously intentional. W&W recordings, like his earlier JMT ones, are splendidly engineered. I'm sure he intends the effect to add verisimilitude.
	1:27pm Cecile: me too, Tony.
	1:28pm Jeff Golick: Oh, yeah, Dean. That's what I was getting at -- not that it was accidental, but just a surprising choice given how pristine the W&W sound can be.
	1:29pm Cecile: Do Winter & Winter records do better in Europe? I don't mean to be rude, but that label seems like a rich guy's toy to me. But God bless him for giving Tim Berne distribution when a lot of people wouldn't.
	1:34pm Tony Coulter: Huh -- I think that bleed-through may be classical music that this comp was taped over. Sheesh.
	1:34pm Doug Schulkind: @Cecile Winter & Winter is one of my favorite labels. For many reasons, but primarily and most enthusiastically for providing a steady home base for the great cellist Ernst Reijseger.
	1:35pm Dean: Good question. Judging from the distribution of distributors (heh heh), Asia and Europe are more active than North America (distributor in Portland, OR!): http://www.winterandwinter.com/index.php?id=2 And there's a new Reijseger due next year: http://www.winterandwinter.com/index.php?id=49
	1:36pm Cecile: I love the guitarist Marc Ducret, and Winter and Winter has been good to him as well. I'm just wondering about the financials. Which I probably shouldn't.
	1:37pm Jeff Golick: W&W does indeed seem like a well-funded operation; the packaging is ridiculous. And such that one always knows when one is looking at a W&W release.
	1:38pm Cecile: exactly!
	1:39pm Dean: Oh, lord, I have to have this. An upcoming W&W release features Theo Bleckmann doing Mother Goose songs!
	1:47pm northguineahills: Man, this Georgie Girl sounds haunted.
	1:47pm Cecile: I was just looking over a W&W discography, and I love the fact Tim Berne called one of his bands "Big Satan"
	1:48pm Jeff Golick: ...and one of the Big Satan records is called "I Think They Liked It, Honey" !!
	1:50pm Cecile: I KNOW! I have that one.
	1:50pm Tony Coulter: Theoreme is the pinkish cassette in the middle in the pic above the playlist.
	1:50pm Dean: Big Satan featured Ducret, too, yes?
	1:51pm Jeff Golick: That's a good'un. Big Satan = Ducret, Berne, & Tom Rainey.
	2:00pm Dean: Ah, yes. Rainey also plays with Mark Helias and Tony Malaby in Open Loose, another monster trio.
	2:00pm Tony Coulter: Btw, here is the discogs page for Theoreme: www.discogs.com...
	2:03pm Cecile: Rainey is such a great drummer.
	2:07pm northguineahills: I love Big Satan!
	2:08pm βrian: Can a falaise have a side B?
	2:10pm Dean: I was driving around town a month or so ago with my 8YO when a good station played a killer trio, sax, bass, drums. The drummer in particular was impressive, and I said as much to my kid. We waited for the back-announce. It was Open Loose. "Daddy has that record," I told him proudly. (Turns out I was wrong. I didn't realize OL were so prolific.)
	2:11pm Tony Coulter: I see discogs has added more info about Theoreme since I last looked. It's the work of someone named Maïssa -- who is probably a woman, not a man as I hastily assumed. (Oops!)
	2:13pm Tony Coulter: I guess that IS a woman singing -- silly me.
	2:19pm Tony Coulter: Maïssa plays the "electronic valve instrument" -- whatever that is, exactly.
	2:20pm fleep: Top of the cliff - Side A. Bottom of the cliff - Side B.
	2:22pm steve: hey Tony! late but digging Theoreme.
	2:22pm Tony Coulter: Hey, Steve!
	🥁 2:25pm listener james from westwood: w00t! Four-cassette day!
	2:26pm Tony Coulter: Here's the discogs page for this thing: www.discogs.com...
	2:36pm Doug Schulkind: I pronounce it on air as Vinter and Vinter. Such vonderful sounds.
	2:39pm Dean: Vinter oont Vinter
	2:41pm Doug Schulkind: Oont!
	2:42pm Tony Coulter: Remember, also, to use the grunt tube when you say it.
	2:57pm Dean: It took the last three tapes, but the elk have finally left the building.
	2:57pm fleep: Thanks, Tony!
	2:58pm Rich in Washington: thanks Tony! Catch you on the grunt tube!
	2:58pm Tony Coulter: Thanks, everybody!! See yerz next week.
	🥁 2:58pm listener james from westwood: Grand sweep this week, Tony! Next week is live from Elko, right?
	2:58pm Carmichael: Thanks Tony. Gotta go stretch the diaphragm.
	2:59pm northguineahills: Thanks Tony, loved the set!

Tony Coulter: Playlist from December 9, 2014

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December 9, 2014: Tony Coulter Presents Tape Hiss: Larry D. Jones, Theoreme, Human Flesh, Las Animas, & the comp "Menú" [PLEASE NOTE: "Tape Hiss" shows are not archived.]

Artist	Track	Album	Label	Year
The In-Theme	Holger Hiller: Toyshopshoptoy

Larry D. Jones	side A "side A" by "Larry D. Jones"	Introduction to Elk Talk	Wilderness Sound	1989

Larry D. Jones	side B "side B" by "Larry D. Jones"	Introduction to Elk Talk	Wilderness Sound	1989

WS Loop Co	The Last Loop (1983) "The Last Loop (1983)" by "WS Loop Co"	Menú: Rehearsals Plus Live Shots (1979–1983)	no label	1983
Dean Style	Same Story (1983) "Same Story (1983)" by "Dean Style"	Menú: Rehearsals Plus Live Shots (1979–1983)	no label	1983
Size	We Did It (1982) "We Did It (1982)" by "Size"	Menú: Rehearsals Plus Live Shots (1979–1983)	no label	1983
Rock By New Gig	Stairway (Live) (1983)	Menú: Rehearsals Plus Live Shots (1979–1983)	no label	1983
Via Lactea	El Hombre en ... (1980)	Menú: Rehearsals Plus Live Shots (1979–1983)	no label	1983
Dean Style & Little Lies	Planets (Planetas) (1983)	Menú: Rehearsals Plus Live Shots (1979–1983)	no label	1983
Manola Elegante	Don Coco (live) (1983)	Menú: Rehearsals Plus Live Shots (1979–1983)	no label	1983
Humberto Alvarez & Eblen Macari	Inmediate Music (Musica Inmediata) (1982)	Menú: Rehearsals Plus Live Shots (1979–1983)	no label	1983
Little Lies & Vicco	Safari (1982)	Menú: Rehearsals Plus Live Shots (1979–1983)	no label	1983
WS Loop Co	Amarcord (1983) "Amarcord (1983)" by "WS Loop Co"	Menú: Rehearsals Plus Live Shots (1979–1983)	no label	1983

Dean Style & Little Lies	Bored (HARTO) (1983)	Menú: Rehearsals Plus Live Shots (1979–1983)	no label	1983
Capitan Pijama	The Cat (La Gata) (Live) (1983)	Menú: Rehearsals Plus Live Shots (1979–1983)	no label	1983
Old Fashioned	Level Girl (Chica do Nivel) (live) (1983)	Menú: Rehearsals Plus Live Shots (1979–1983)	no label	1983
Dean Style	Strange Thing (1983) "Strange Thing (1983)" by "Dean Style"	Menú: Rehearsals Plus Live Shots (1979–1983)	no label	1983
Manola Elegante	King Kong (Live) (1983)	Menú: Rehearsals Plus Live Shots (1979–1983)	no label	1983
WS Loop Co	Tetric Antics (1983) "Tetric Antics (1983)" by "WS Loop Co"	Menú: Rehearsals Plus Live Shots (1979–1983)	no label	1983
Vicco	Sphere (Espera) (1983) "Sphere (Espera) (1983)" by "Vicco"	Menú: Rehearsals Plus Live Shots (1979–1983)	no label	1983
Illy Godzilla	Sinister Jam (Batucada Siniestra) (Live)	Menú: Rehearsals Plus Live Shots (1979–1983)	no label	1983
Nazca	81 (1981) "81 (1981)" by "Nazca"	Menú: Rehearsals Plus Live Shots (1979–1983)	no label	1983
Decibel	Your Shirt Is Not Clean Canabor (1979)	Menú: Rehearsals Plus Live Shots (1979–1983)	no label	1983
A. Sanchez	The Class (1982) "The Class (1982)" by "A. Sanchez"	Menú: Rehearsals Plus Live Shots (1979–1983)	no label	1983
Syntoma	Georgie Girl (1983) "Georgie Girl (1983)" by "Syntoma"	Menú: Rehearsals Plus Live Shots (1979–1983)	no label	1983

Theoreme	side A "side A" by "Theoreme"	Sur la Falaise	Isolated Now Waves	2014

Theoreme	side B "side B" by "Theoreme"	Sur la Falaise	Isolated Now Waves	2014

Human Flesh	side A "side A" by "Human Flesh"	Photographs I	Dark Side	1991

Las Animas	side B "side B" by "Las Animas"	Photographs I	Dark Side	1991

The Out-Theme	Gelbart: My Favorite Vacation [part of] + Die Trip Computer Die: Airborn [part of]

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Listener comments!
	11:53am Artie Haywire: In to win.
	11:54am Carmichael: Hiiiisssss, Tony!
	11:58am Jeff the Elk: S'up.
	11:59am Tony Coulter: Hey there, Artie, Carmichael, & Jeff!! Prepare to learn how to hiss like an elk.
	🥁 11:59am listener james from westwood: The Elk goes, "Gimme another bourbon. Whose deal is it?" ::passes out in Elks rec room::
	11:59am Tony Coulter: Hola, James!
	12:01pm Jeff Golick: Maybe I'll finally learn what BPO stands for.
	12:01pm DCE: Elk Talk, eh? I know they snort a lot. I'll be interested to hear what they have to say.
	12:02pm Tony Coulter: Heya, DCE! They can get pretty amorous, that much I know.
	12:03pm V Priceless: Hiya Tony!
	12:03pm Cecile: tony!
	12:03pm Carmichael: Well, here you go: www.worldcat.org...
	12:03pm Tony Coulter: Greetings, V Priceless and Cecile!!!
	12:04pm Carmichael: You can also pick this baby up on Ebay for $6.57.
	12:06pm Jeff Golick: There are also some videos: www.worldcat.org...
	12:07pm Rich in Washington: Hellowww Tony!
	12:07pm Rich in Washington: lots of cool treasures to be found in little coastal stores. Must be willing to endure mildew and cat pee, though.
	12:07pm Tony Coulter: Heya, Rich!!
	12:08pm DCE: this is getting me so hot
	12:08pm Carmichael: Vibrating latex ....
	12:08pm Jeff Golick: It's all this diaphragm and latex talk...
	12:09pm Rich in Washington: difficult to do the grunt...
	12:09pm Jeff Golick: This whole tape is one long "that's what she said" set-up.
	12:09pm Tony Coulter: Remember to check with your wife or girlfriend before placing her diaphragm in your mouth.
	12:09pm Rich in Washington: this tape is just begging to be cut up.
	12:10pm Cecile: you know it. it's pretty funny.
	12:10pm Cecile: Tony, you should do a remix contest.
	12:11pm DCE: oh man...
	12:11pm Tony Coulter: Ha! Good idea, Cecile!
	12:12pm Dean: OMG. There's an elk standing outside my window.
	12:12pm Cecile: elks kind of sound like Evan Parker.
	12:12pm Rich in Washington: god, I almost never look at hunting tapes and CDs but there are certainly a lot around these parts.
	12:12pm Dean: Ah, no, whew. It's Ann Elk.
	12:12pm DCE: haha!
	12:12pm Jeff Golick: Has anyone ever seen Evan Parker and Elk Parker in the same room together?
	12:12pm Tony Coulter: Careful, Dean! (and greets!)
	12:13pm Jeff Golick: Ann Elk!!
	12:13pm Dean: @Jeff G. Yes, indeed. I heard them duet at Vision Festival, c.2000.
	🥁 12:13pm listener james from westwood: Do hunters who eat Paleo go out with slate-tipped spears, bows strung with deer gut, etc.? To get the whole early-humanity experience (incl. days of starvation between kills)?
	12:13pm Jeff Golick: Sorry: Anne Elk (www.cardinalfang.net...)
	🥁 12:14pm listener james from westwood: Between this, and the crow-call record Ken would play now and again, FMU has its animal call needs on lockdown.
	12:14pm Rich in Washington: Few appreciated Anne Elk's theories on Brontosauruses.
	12:14pm Cecile: I know some that do. At a Hedningarna concert I talked to a guy who told of his hunting style, and I felt bad for him - he was just born in the wrong century - he totally was a warrior-hunter.
	12:15pm Tony Coulter: Kurt Schwitters is now sitting in with Evan Parker.
	12:15pm Cecile: He would be happy living in a snow cave in the woods. But modern women aren't so into that.
	12:15pm Dean: Didn't John Zorn cover some of this on his Classic Guides to Strategy?
	12:16pm Jeff Golick: How many takes do you think Larry D. Jones needed? Can we expect some outtakes on a future show?
	12:16pm DCE: @ Cecile, I have a brother in law just like that...no woman for him...
	12:17pm Cecile: this sounds like peter brotzmann making sax babies.
	🥁 12:17pm listener james from westwood: From the makers of Duck Dynasty: Elk Empire.
	12:17pm DCE: then again, no cry him either
	12:17pm Jeff Golick: @Cecile: some modern men aren't so into that either, ahem.
	12:17pm Cecile: his third marriage was breaking up, he was pretty much talking to anyone who would listen.
	🥁 12:17pm listener james from westwood: @Jeff: The Larry Jones boxed set will fill in a lot of these gaps. So much better in mono.
	12:18pm Artie Haywire: Who just added a diaphragm elk call to their Xmas gift list?
	12:19pm Cecile: he was talking about trying to live in a log house far from humanity, finding it too constraining, and leaving with his wife and young son sobbing at the door.
	12:19pm Dean: Lemme know when Jones releases his Introduction to Elk Marinade.
	12:21pm Jeff Golick: @ljfw: Ooh nice. Closet mix is my jam.
	12:22pm DCE: "please flip the tape"
	12:22pm DCE: "deer radio friends"?
	12:23pm Tony Coulter: Ha ha!
	12:23pm Gary: How can I possibly compare what I'm doing with what he's doing there?
	12:24pm DCE: NO ONE CAN, Gary!
	12:25pm Dean: I'm guessing Cecile's BIL goes to parties stag.
	12:25pm Rich in Washington: Grunt Tube? Wasn't that a Neue Deutsche Welle band? Are you playing them next?
	12:25pm Gary: I'm a little worried that if I turn the volume up too high, someone in my building will call the ASPCA
	12:25pm DCE: haha both of ya! this is too much fun
	12:26pm Cecile: this isn't my brother in law, it's this guy I talked to once..
	12:26pm Rich in Washington: There is an elk mating sounds CD in KBOO's library that has the distinction of making an appearance on every late night DJs set list at least once.
	12:26pm Jeff Golick: Why "Elk Talk" and not "Elk Calls," I wonder? The internal rhyme?
	12:27pm Gary: Larry is a closet poet, Jeff
	12:27pm Dean: Duly corrected. Meanwhile, Jones' next project will be a transcription of Messiaen's Oiseaux exotiques.
	12:28pm Carmichael: Why this guy didn't rock with Zorn and Partch, I'll never know ...
	12:29pm DCE: ah, that happens to me all the time, I bump a cow in a herd and she was the only one who saw me
	12:29pm DCE: I hate it when that happens
	12:31pm Dean: Best tape hiss I've ever herd.
	12:33pm Dean: This must be from the days before you could just walk into your local Elks Lodge to find an Elk.
	12:33pm DCE: lol, Dean!
	12:34pm DCE: damn, and I thought Frode Gjerstadt got some high tones...
	12:34pm Carmichael: Next thing you know, he'll be hanging out at the Moose Lodge. Cheapest beer in town.
	12:35pm Dean: Folks, I present the Jones diaphragm: http://www.amazon.com/Wilderness-Sound-Persuader-Replacement-Diaphragm/dp/B0002LNMHK
	12:35pm Jeff Golick: All jokes aside, I just don't get hunting. (Said the suburban East Coast cliche.)
	12:36pm Tony Coulter: I'm with you, Jeff.
	12:36pm Carmichael: Just proves that Elks are the Best People on Earth.
	12:37pm Dean: I'm into record hunting, armed to the teeth.
	12:37pm Tony Coulter: Larry should just stick to talking to the elks -- no need to kill them.
	12:38pm Dean: I wonder if Larry's middle name is Dolittle.
	12:38pm Jeff Golick: Indeed, Tony. Was Zorn's game calls stuff meant in jest? Ironic reappropriation? Or was there some genuine interest in that sound-world?
	12:39pm Jeff Golick: Elkish!!
	12:44pm βrian: I was into hunting, as a child. I came to realize the killing aspect was superfluous. Walking and stalking in the woods was beautiful, though.
	12:45pm Tony Coulter: Much of this tape is pretty lo-fi -- as you will have noticed.
	12:45pm Tony Coulter: Hey, βrian!
	🥁 12:46pm listener james from westwood: @Jeff, just as a coda of yesterday's "Ghost Dog" discussion, the moment when Henry Silva, amid a tangent re: "Ghost Dog" reminding him of Native American names, contemplates Black Elk, then imitates an elk. :O
	12:47pm Rich in Washington: I know what you mean, Jeff G., βrian: I too grew up with hunting-as-rite-of-passage, having grown up in the rural NW but it really didn't do much for me. I do find that the hunter-gatherer part of my brain is stimulated and satisfied by rummaging through thrift stores, junk stores, etc..
	12:49pm βrian: Talk to the mallards: www.youtube.com...
	12:50pm Tony Coulter: By the way, I forgot to mention: these are Mexican elk calls we're listening to now.
	12:55pm fleep: Too late for Mexican elk calls, but in time for Krishna?
	12:57pm Tony Coulter: Heya, Fleep! Actually, this IS the Krishna tape. He managed to convert the elks of Mexico.
	1:02pm βrian: There was a mounted elk head over the upright piano in my childhood friend's bare dank basement. I doubt the piano had ever been tuned. It felt a bit like playing in the Addams family house.
	1:03pm fleep: Whatever it is, I'm doing yoga to it.
	1:09pm Jeff Golick: Plate of shrimp, @james, plate of shrimp.
	1:11pm Dean: Safari? Again with the hunting motif!
	1:12pm Tony Coulter: Damn bleed-through. Just think of it as a band rehearsing in the next room.
	1:14pm Carmichael: I found this cassette on a KBOO playlist. They refer to it as "Classical Archievement Series, Cass 6666". kboo.fm...
	1:15pm Cecile: What is R.I.O.?
	1:15pm Dean: There is a wonderful (and wonderfully recorded) disc on Winter & Winter, Uri Caine's Wagner e Venezia, that includes bleed-through from other performance spaces in the venue. It's unsettling, but fascinating.
	1:15pm northguineahills: Loving these sounds.
	1:17pm Tony Coulter: @ Carmichael: Yep -- I gave a burn of this cassette to someone at KBOO who does a great Mexican experimental music show. It does say "Classical Achievement Series, Cassette 6666" -- but it's just handwritten.
	1:17pm Cecile: I'll have to preview that, dean. I wasn't too excited by Caine in concert, and his other discs have left me a bit cold
	1:18pm Jeff Golick: I'm with you, Cecile, on the Caine classical-inspired albums I've heard.
	1:18pm Carmichael: Thanks, Tony. As soon as I saw KBOO is in Portland, I figgered something was up.
	1:19pm Tony Coulter: @ Cecile: R.I.O. = Rock in Opposition
	1:19pm Tony Coulter: Greetings, NGH!
	1:19pm Cecile: oh! Like in the Eastern Bloc?
	1:20pm Jeff Golick: @Cecile: "The music the record companies don't want you to hear." More here: en.wikipedia.org...
	1:20pm Dean: Caine is definitely hit-or-miss in my experience. The Goldberg Variations project, for example, is so wacky-zany-out-there it's worth the price of admission, but I'm such a fan of more, uh, traditional Bach I have a hard time enduring it. But the Wagner record does a good job of invoking time past, which seems to be one of Stefan Winter's happy conceits.
	1:20pm Cecile: oh! That rings a bell now. What a good way to describe that type of music.
	1:22pm Tony Coulter: Here's a link to that experimental Mexican music show on KBOO -- it's well worth checking out: kboo.fm...
	1:23pm Jeff Golick: @Dean: that bleed-thru is a curious-seeming choice for a Winter & Winter project...
	1:25pm Tony Coulter: Methinks this early '80s Mexican scene would be much better known if they hasn't been mostly limited to mega-crappy recording equipment.
	1:26pm Rich in Washington: La Ruleta is indeed amazing. That Alejandro is one cool cat.
	1:26pm Dean: @JeffG: It is obviously intentional. W&W recordings, like his earlier JMT ones, are splendidly engineered. I'm sure he intends the effect to add verisimilitude.
	1:27pm Cecile: me too, Tony.
	1:28pm Jeff Golick: Oh, yeah, Dean. That's what I was getting at -- not that it was accidental, but just a surprising choice given how pristine the W&W sound can be.
	1:29pm Cecile: Do Winter & Winter records do better in Europe? I don't mean to be rude, but that label seems like a rich guy's toy to me. But God bless him for giving Tim Berne distribution when a lot of people wouldn't.
	1:34pm Tony Coulter: Huh -- I think that bleed-through may be classical music that this comp was taped over. Sheesh.
	1:34pm Doug Schulkind: @Cecile Winter & Winter is one of my favorite labels. For many reasons, but primarily and most enthusiastically for providing a steady home base for the great cellist Ernst Reijseger.
	1:35pm Dean: Good question. Judging from the distribution of distributors (heh heh), Asia and Europe are more active than North America (distributor in Portland, OR!): http://www.winterandwinter.com/index.php?id=2 And there's a new Reijseger due next year: http://www.winterandwinter.com/index.php?id=49
	1:36pm Cecile: I love the guitarist Marc Ducret, and Winter and Winter has been good to him as well. I'm just wondering about the financials. Which I probably shouldn't.
	1:37pm Jeff Golick: W&W does indeed seem like a well-funded operation; the packaging is ridiculous. And such that one always knows when one is looking at a W&W release.
	1:38pm Cecile: exactly!
	1:39pm Dean: Oh, lord, I have to have this. An upcoming W&W release features Theo Bleckmann doing Mother Goose songs!
	1:47pm northguineahills: Man, this Georgie Girl sounds haunted.
	1:47pm Cecile: I was just looking over a W&W discography, and I love the fact Tim Berne called one of his bands "Big Satan"
	1:48pm Jeff Golick: ...and one of the Big Satan records is called "I Think They Liked It, Honey" !!
	1:50pm Cecile: I KNOW! I have that one.
	1:50pm Tony Coulter: Theoreme is the pinkish cassette in the middle in the pic above the playlist.
	1:50pm Dean: Big Satan featured Ducret, too, yes?
	1:51pm Jeff Golick: That's a good'un. Big Satan = Ducret, Berne, & Tom Rainey.
	2:00pm Dean: Ah, yes. Rainey also plays with Mark Helias and Tony Malaby in Open Loose, another monster trio.
	2:00pm Tony Coulter: Btw, here is the discogs page for Theoreme: www.discogs.com...
	2:03pm Cecile: Rainey is such a great drummer.
	2:07pm northguineahills: I love Big Satan!
	2:08pm βrian: Can a falaise have a side B?
	2:10pm Dean: I was driving around town a month or so ago with my 8YO when a good station played a killer trio, sax, bass, drums. The drummer in particular was impressive, and I said as much to my kid. We waited for the back-announce. It was Open Loose. "Daddy has that record," I told him proudly. (Turns out I was wrong. I didn't realize OL were so prolific.)
	2:11pm Tony Coulter: I see discogs has added more info about Theoreme since I last looked. It's the work of someone named Maïssa -- who is probably a woman, not a man as I hastily assumed. (Oops!)
	2:13pm Tony Coulter: I guess that IS a woman singing -- silly me.
	2:19pm Tony Coulter: Maïssa plays the "electronic valve instrument" -- whatever that is, exactly.
	2:20pm fleep: Top of the cliff - Side A. Bottom of the cliff - Side B.
	2:22pm steve: hey Tony! late but digging Theoreme.
	2:22pm Tony Coulter: Hey, Steve!
	🥁 2:25pm listener james from westwood: w00t! Four-cassette day!
	2:26pm Tony Coulter: Here's the discogs page for this thing: www.discogs.com...
	2:36pm Doug Schulkind: I pronounce it on air as Vinter and Vinter. Such vonderful sounds.
	2:39pm Dean: Vinter oont Vinter
	2:41pm Doug Schulkind: Oont!
	2:42pm Tony Coulter: Remember, also, to use the grunt tube when you say it.
	2:57pm Dean: It took the last three tapes, but the elk have finally left the building.
	2:57pm fleep: Thanks, Tony!
	2:58pm Rich in Washington: thanks Tony! Catch you on the grunt tube!
	2:58pm Tony Coulter: Thanks, everybody!! See yerz next week.
	🥁 2:58pm listener james from westwood: Grand sweep this week, Tony! Next week is live from Elko, right?
	2:58pm Carmichael: Thanks Tony. Gotta go stretch the diaphragm.
	2:59pm northguineahills: Thanks Tony, loved the set!

Tony Coulter: Playlist from December 9, 2014

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