WFMU: Underwater Theme Park with Meghan: Playlist from August 17, 2017

Listener comments!
	12:02pm annie: glad to have made the live show meghan!!
	12:03pm Meghan: Hey there Annie!
	12:03pm KP: Awesome opener
	12:04pm northguineahills: perfect
	12:11pm Cheyenne: Powerful stuff today Meghan! Thank you.
	12:11pm Meghan: Hey there Cheyenne!
	12:12pm Dave B: Righteous!
	12:13pm Meghan: Hello there Mr. Brady....
	12:14pm Dave B: Hello there Ms. McKee and Denizens of the Underwater Theme Park!
	12:16pm Joe non Papa: Usually, I listen in archive. I had to listen live today. I know this show is going to be important.
	12:19pm Meghan: Glad you are joining us live today!
	12:26pm Snortley: Pic by Brecht Vandenbroucke www.flickr.com...
	12:28pm Parq: Would you take a vacation trip to Nashville and Memphis, or would you regard supporting the Tennessee economy as something you couldn't do? Asking for a friend.
	12:29pm KP: I've gone from iphone to laptop to freely converse here so i better come up with something worthwhile.
	12:29pm KP: The High Priestess of Soul
	12:29pm Meghan: Hahaha. Hello everyone!
	12:31pm Sem Chumbo: Live and Kickin', you bet. Hiya, Meghan, all.
	12:31pm Meghan: I have taken a vacation to Memphis for a night and had to work in Nashville. But being major cities, I feel they are more diverse and the people there shouldn't be lumped in the political garbage...
	12:32pm Dave B: Red Sox Organ Music - much better than that "Pitch Felt Around The World" last night
	12:34pm Cheyenne: @Parq, yes of course. Go! Tennessee is beautiful. I'm from Kentucky and know for sure that there are lots and lots of folks fighting hard for equality and peace in Tennessee, just as there are everywhere else.
	12:34pm Dean: Read Robert Paul Wolff's recent series of posts at The Philosopher's Stone for clarity regarding the sadness and hatred. Truly. Smart analysis can provide some relief.
	12:35pm Dave B: and NUTS I missed the call for songs! I could have provided a bunch...
	12:36pm KP: Wow. "Blindsided." That's a good one, M.
	12:37pm KP: You know, despite his horrible background, i think the key to all of this is the investigation. He's looking into the abyss.
	12:38pm northguineahills: Exactly, KP!
	12:42pm Doug Schulkind: Greetings, Meghan and fellow anti-racist anti-fascists!
	12:43pm Meghan: Welcome to this safe haven Doug!
	12:44pm annie: growing up in a household that was academic and "conversation-oriented" there was access to multiple sources from all aspects of global society. (my father was an ever-growing bigot, too). i turned to music for escape and to learn the trials of those oppressed and those not; the lesson i got?.... no one is immune from troubles. everything is relative.. therefore love all people, not just those in your corner.. ...
	12:45pm Parq: "Suppose you lived there all your life. Do you think that you would mind?" All these decades later, those lines still kill me.
	12:49pm Parq: Like Annie's, my family was open and respectful. (Also like Annie's, my dad was changed for the worse by time and age, but that's a side point.) Unfortunately, it ended at my front door. The blue collar Catholic New Jersey community in which I grew was openly racist, anti-Semitic and pit-bull Republican. That, plus my current (and for the past 30 years) work environment, is why I'm not suprised by the current crop of racist bullying assholes. Not that I understand them, condone them or forgive them in the least -- it's just that, unlike people I know from more enlightened backgrounds, I'm not at all surprised to find that they exist.
	12:52pm Dean: Nixon, folks. He wasn't personally disposed to dislike minorities. In fact, he was a strong proponent of civil rights...until being so was politically infeasible. The hatred promoting racism does not manifest only as individual emotion.
	12:56pm annie: i proud to have grown up to be the same damn hippe i was at 23.... i watched Billy Jack last night... what a timeless movie..
	12:56pm The Oscar: Just tuning in-- this feels real good right now.
	12:57pm KP: Trouble Every Day is Right! Great get.
	12:59pm Parq: See this is the thing -- right now, there is a web radio show playing songs that are saying 180 degrees the opposite of what these songs are saying, and that show's listeners are relating to them just as much as we are to these.
	12:59pm Sem Chumbo: Brilliant string of spins.
	1:01pm coelacanth∅: hello Meghan and snorkelers
	1:02pm Sem Chumbo: Those will gills welcome here, as well.
	1:03pm coelacanth∅: have a statue of a dog pissing on the confederate statue.
	1:04pm Dave B: Put Bussas everywhere to remind them that the war is over... en.wikipedia.org...
	1:05pm doctorjazz: Hi, meetings until now, great space to be for a bit.
	1:05pm The Oscar: Just found out that there's a confederate statue on an island off the coast of Massachusetts up here. The thing is, they can't actually do anything to it, because the whole grounds are a historically protected area. The solution: they put a nondescript box over it.
	1:05pm northguineahills: Most of the statues came up during the resurgence of the modern KKK in the late 1910s/1920s or during the Civil Rights era.
	1:06pm βrian: I think it's more of having the statues in a public context. Germany kept many Nazi artifacts but in museums that provide a more specific context.
	1:08pm Dave B: NICE! I love Anima Sound System! I was also going to suggest Reagan Youth's "I Hate Hate"
	1:08pm Parq: The problem is not that these sculptures exist. The problem is that they were erected to celebrate the men they are portraying, and many people continue to do so, encouraged by the prescience of the statues. I'm not a big fan of cultural revision, but these aren't mere works of art.
	1:08pm coelacanth∅: annie - you watched billy jack last night; i listened to billy jack last night! (the song)
	1:09pm Parq: Also, after decades of being "fair to both sides" while the other side takes advantage of my doing so and sucker-punching, I really don't care so much any more about being fair.
	1:10pm coelacanth∅: agreed Parq. maybe that's why i do like the little girl in front of the bull.
	1:10pm Dave B: And it's in our backyard now too... www.nydailynews.com...
	1:10pm βrian: I think, for example, a carefully curated underwater theme park might be a good final destination for the statues.
	1:12pm Dave B: @βrian - they would make for a good artificial reef
	1:12pm Parq: Annnd, the right wingers always get a "but what about" just when they need one. A terrorist has just ploughed a van through La Rambla in Barcelona.
	1:12pm coelacanth∅: i'd be surprised if i didn't start seeing (more) confederate flags here in upstate ny now.
	1:12pm northguineahills: I got a Soviet propaganda poster while in college, and took it to my father to give to a friend of his who was a framer. My father threw it away.
	1:14pm annie: ......imagine being blind and NOT seeing the sculptures. the buddha was the first to say he did not want stone homages to himself. i think we put these things up to feed our ego/guilt. remember when the taliban began to destroy all those amazing buddhas?? there was a global uprising, yet it still happens in other forms: our attachment to images that soothe our fears/egos/guilt is just that. i think the question is: how are our hearts and souls satisfied? i'm a pacifist, and the small quaker in me says leave those icons behind and love one another..
	1:16pm Meghan: In Moscow I found this amazingly beautiful poster of Lenin. It was gorgeous. I turned to my husband and said- wow, this is amazing.... but it would be kinda weird to have a giant poster of Lenin in our house right? Sadly we didn't get it, but I do have some other posters from both China and Russia....
	1:18pm Dave B: Heroic or worshipful images are the basis for a cult of personality.
	1:19pm annie: @ coel: that story on the delaware county fair is somewhat troublesome in that one of the protesers was banned from the fair.... ... we STILL live in paranoid times. and @meghan: i used to have such an amazing collection of posters and images... more and more visitors to my home questioned my "loyalty". when i was 13-14 i recieved a lovely pin from a visiting russian dignitary to our house, an image of yuri gagarin. i wore it with pride.. i was torn to shreds in Jr HS as being a commie... ... we will never stop hating...
	1:23pm Ike: I don't hate communists or Lenin, but my problem w/them is that (IMHO) people like to forget that they oppressed human rights and gave leftists a bad name. I'm for democratic socialism. But only if it stays democratic. People like Lenin, Chavez et al. were really into circular firing squads and ultimately gave in to corrupting totalitarian tendencies, severely damaging the cause for many generations past and yet to come.
	1:27pm Alex In Illinois: I think we need to know how people get radicalized into believing those extreme right wing ideas.
	1:32pm The Oscar: I was lucky enough to grow up in a pleasantly liberal bubble-- aging hippie parents, experimental high school not unlike the one in Billy Jack-- but I was still deep enough in the backwoods that there was a lot of that stuff around. One house a mile or two from mine had a Confederate flag outside. After 9/11, they literally hung a "United We Stand" flag UNDERNEATH IT. I really wanted to get a photo, but I was afraid of being shot.
	1:33pm Alex In Illinois: I was responding to what was spoken about trying to talk to those extreme right wing folks--not anything posted
	1:34pm Parq: The Oscar's story says it all -- poignant and mind-blowing.
	1:34pm Eliyah: Hey guys am i the only one who thiks american political systems and all are shiiiiiet!?
	1:35pm Meghan: If we knew how to do that Alex..... Sadly it has become us vs them and no open discussion. People get radicalized by growing up with it....and being isolated
	1:35pm coelacanth∅: i just looked at an image of some fool posing, foolishly, facing the little girl who's facing the bull. i don't know what the hell he's thinking, but the commenter on "politicalhotwire" is maybe even more of a fool, writing:"A statue signifying the empowerment of women...and girls". ...apparently doesn't even understand the statement the statue is making.
	1:36pm KP: I'm all for a Jello statue
	1:39pm Dave B: @KP - you'd need to keep it refrigerated....
	1:40pm coelacanth∅: i love this set! i feel like it's 1984 and i'm listening to Pat Duncan or Paul Cavenaugh.
	1:40pm Parq: The most intractable aspect of that problem (re Meghan@1:36) is that it's all a result of human nature. Given the way the human mind is wired to work, and given certain unchangable aspects of our current society, this stuborn, irrational opposition to progressive ideals is inevitable. I'm all for trying to eliminate this terrible part of human nature, but I fear we can't do so any more than we can hope to eliminate hurricanes.
	1:40pm coelacanth∅: (...okay well not now!)
	1:42pm The Oscar: Cathartic to hear all the stuff the other DJs can't play-- thanks!
	1:42pm Meghan: The joys of not having to follow FCC guidelines..... ahhhhhhhh
	1:43pm Meghan: And yes Parq..... sadly I agree.....
	1:44pm northguineahills: I see it at the charity I was volunteering (giving clothes and food to the needy), there are many christian right-wingers who's heart is in the right place, but they can't shake the ideal their pastor or fox news has drilled into them.
	1:45pm Eliyah: Isnt that stupid of confusing a religion or a faith with the fucked up politics?
	1:50pm Parq: I have had a lot to say, but here's one more thing I have to say: this has been a freaking great show, and an equally great on-line conversation. Meghan, as always, you are thee greatest.
	1:50pm Meghan: It's brainwashing. If you repeat something over and over and over, people will eventually believe it
	1:51pm Dave B: Indeed. Thanks Meghan!
	1:52pm northguineahills: Back in the 90s, my mother voted for Clinton, was into art. She started listening to Rush "for entertainment". Now, she's further right then my father, who's your typical military republican.
	1:54pm doctorjazz: Some of this is human nature, have to agree, my group or "tribe" is who I'm with. My dad, who was a holocaust survivor (camps, the works), espoused racist feelings when I was a child. You'd think after what he went through it might resonate differently for him, but, no, he had a tough life, and resented Black folks for various reasons.
	1:55pm Dave B: @NGH - I thought you meant Rush - THE BAND at first read...
	1:56pm Doug Schulkind: Can't hear enough of this show, Meghan. Thank you.
	1:56pm northguineahills: She even subscribes to the Rush's magazine, it's cringeworthy, especially the attempts at "right wing humor"
	1:57pm Meghan: Wow, Doctorjazz.... that is tough. And sad on many levels..... @Dave B- I did too..... hahahaha
	1:58pm Alex In Illinois: In other countries, there are people who call themselves "conservatives" but are pro-choice and acknowledge that global warming is a man-made problem and is real.
	1:58pm northguineahills: I might have rather family dynamic if that were the case, oh the possibilities on that timeline.
	1:59pm coelacanth∅: i grew up with crazy contradiction. my parents always voted republican but were opposed to the vietnam war, turned us on at a very young age to Peter Paul & Mary, the beatles, Harry Belafonte; my mom got into astology and wearing colorful ponchos; my dad started smoking herb.my brother's "black" friend moved in when he got kicked out of his house, but my mother was opposed to "inter-racial" sex....etc -but the still and to this day vote republican.
	1:59pm northguineahills: different family dynamic...
	1:59pm annie: doc jazz, i have a cherokee indian friend who has nothing good to say about jews, and, for the life of me i am not able to get to the bottom of his hatred
	2:00pm doctorjazz: Sounds like a similar dymanic, Annie...
	2:01pm Meghan: Going over in time today everyone! No Matt means I can play a few more songs!
	2:01pm The Oscar: @coel Similar lines with my grandparents-- southern, conservative, and not 100% cool racially, but they HATED Nixon and Bush, and ultimately lived to vote for Obama. I'm pretty glad they weren't around the past year or so.
	2:02pm Doug Schulkind: You can go long, Meghan, just as long as you're off by 7pm.
	2:02pm Alex In Illinois: North Guinea Hills, that's scary about your Mom.
	2:03pm Meghan: hahaha.... I got to get to work at some point today! haha
	2:04pm coelacanth∅: my mother didn't vote for bush for the second term, but both parents (& they're not together so it's not a collaboration) voted for trump. i wonder if they have any idea why.
	2:04pm northguineahills: Yep, well, at least my parents aren't racist, they got that going for them. Good thing as my niece is half Guyanese.
	2:05pm northguineahills: Faving this episode Meghan, thanks!
	2:09pm KevinfromBayRidge: Hey Meghan et al. Last set-very fulfilling. I was running last week on the Belt bikepath and saw a local "no-neck" with a "Hillary for Prison '2016" Tshirt. Asked if she would share her cell with Donald!
	2:09pm coelacanth∅: my mother is definitely racist, though not particularly hateful. she's the kind that would say she has a problem with jews or mexicans, "but Murray's different; but Juan is different". she disapproved of interracial romances, but by the time every one of her offspring had had such relationships she softened her view on that.
	2:10pm Sem Chumbo: Though I have been living and breathing American culture and news and politics for the past forty years here in the great white north, there is nothing in my experience or reading or quizzing my American friends which helps me understand what in the gods name's is going on in your country. From here it looks like not only is American history is being deconstructed, but the country itself.
	2:10pm Meghan: hahaha.... nice one Kevin!!!
	2:11pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Meghan. Excellent program. tchau camaradas
	2:11pm KevinfromBayRidge: I just have to watch out for Nazi driven vehicles now
	2:14pm Dave B: @Kevin: youtu.be...
	2:17pm doctorjazz: In my dad's defense, he had little knowledge of American history, just saw the turbulent 60s on TV with demonstration, violence, and he thought to himself (likely), "they think THEY had it bad". He had little context for what was going on, not much education in Poland.
	2:20pm Doug Schulkind: Yes yes yes.
	2:21pm Artie: Hey, everybody. Matt, did you do something different with your hair today?
	2:27pm doctorjazz: (no updates in the playlist, are we on the stream? Sounding good...)
	2:35pm doctorjazz: now, silence from the Stream...
	2:35pm Doug Schulkind: I am hearing this, too, doc. (Or, not hearing.)

Underwater Theme Park with Meghan: Playlist from August 17, 2017

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Approx. start time
Billie Holiday	Strange Fruit "Strange Fruit" by "Billie Holiday"	Ken Burns Jazz	Sony Legacy	0:00:00 (Pop-up)
Sinead O’Connor	Black Boys on Mopeds	I Do Not Want What I Haven't Got	Parlophone	0:05:49 (Pop-up)
Bob Dylan	Hurricane "Hurricane" by "Bob Dylan"	The Essential Bob Dylan	Sony Legacy	0:08:47 (Pop-up)
Charles Mingus	Original Faubus Fables	Ken Burns Jazz	Sony Legacy	0:17:16 (Pop-up)
Nina Simone	Mississippi Goddamn "Mississippi Goddamn" by "Nina Simone"	Live & Kickin	Bellaphon	0:17:55 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: John Kiley	Side A "Side A" by "John Kiley"	Red Sox Organ Music	Boston Red Sox	0:31:09 (Pop-up)
Billy Bragg & Wilco	My Thirty Thousand	Mermaid Avenue, Vol. 3	Nonesuch	0:37:23 (Pop-up)
Spanky & Our Gang	Give a Damn "Give a Damn" by "Spanky & Our Gang"	The Best of Spanky & Our Gang: 20th Century Masters - The Millennium Collection	Mercury	0:39:21 (Pop-up)
Ben Harper & the Innocent Criminals	Call It What It Is	Call It What It Is	Stax	0:42:49 (Pop-up)
Richie Havens	Oxford Town "Oxford Town" by "Richie Havens"	My Own Way	Douglas Music	0:46:40 (Pop-up)
The Kinks	Black Messiah "Black Messiah" by "The Kinks"	Misfits	UMC/UMC	0:49:55 (Pop-up)
Frank Zappa and The Mothers of Invention	Trouble Every Day	Freak Out!	Zappa Records	0:51:27 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: John Kiley	Side A "Side A" by "John Kiley"	Red Sox Organ Music	Boston Red Sox	0:59:48 (Pop-up)
Anima Sound System	Fuck the Racist (Cosmopolitan Mix)	Shalom	Crossroads Records	1:06:00 (Pop-up)
Heaven 17	(We Don't Need this) Fascist Groove Thang	New Wave Hits of the 80's: Just Can't Get Enough Vol 8	Rhino	1:10:03 (Pop-up)
The Specials	Why? "Why?" by "The Specials"	The Singles Collection	Chrysalis	1:14:28 (Pop-up)
Bob Marley & the Wailers	War "War" by "Bob Marley & the Wailers"	Songs of Freedom	Tuff Gong	1:18:12 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: John Kiley	Side A "Side A" by "John Kiley"	Red Sox Organ Music	Boston Red Sox	1:21:48 (Pop-up)
They Might Be Giants	Your Racist Friend	Flood	Elektra / Wea	1:26:38 (Pop-up)
Ramones	The KKK Took My Baby Away	Mania	Warner Off Roster	1:29:15 (Pop-up)
Dead Kennedys	Nazi Punks Fuck Off	Plastic Surgery Disasters/In God We Trust Inc.	MANIFESTO RECORDS	1:32:16 (Pop-up)
M.D.C.	John Wayne Was A Nazi "John Wayne Was A Nazi" by "M.D.C."	Now More Than Ever	Beer City Records	1:36:17 (Pop-up)
Gorilla Biscuits	Degradation "Degradation" by "Gorilla Biscuits"	Start Today	Revelation Records	1:38:17 (Pop-up)
Propagandhi	Apparently I'm a P.C. Fascist	Less talk, More Rock	Fat Wreck Chords	1:40:03 (Pop-up)
The Oi! Scouts	Nuke the Nazis "Nuke the Nazis" by "The Oi! Scouts"	Boots For The Beatdown	Working Class Records	1:41:39 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: John Kiley	Side A "Side A" by "John Kiley"	Red Sox Organ Music	Boston Red Sox	1:47:11 (Pop-up)
War	Why Can't We Be Friends? "Why Can't We Be Friends?" by "War"	Why Can't We Be Friends?	Far Out Records	1:47:31 (Pop-up)
The Impressions	Choice of Colors "Choice of Colors" by "The Impressions"	Beg, Scream & Shout!: The Big Ol' Box Of 60's Soul	Rhino	1:51:09 (Pop-up)
Sly And The Family Stone	Don't Call Me Nigger, Whitey	Stand!	Epic/Legacy	1:54:18 (Pop-up)
The Temptations	Message From a Black Man	Psychedelic Soul	Motown	2:00:28 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: John Kiley	Side A "Side A" by "John Kiley"	Red Sox Organ Music	Boston Red Sox	2:06:20 (Pop-up)
The Specials	Racist Friend "Racist Friend" by "The Specials"	The Singles Collection	Chrysalis	2:08:52 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	12:02pm annie: glad to have made the live show meghan!!
	12:03pm Meghan: Hey there Annie!
	12:03pm KP: Awesome opener
	12:04pm northguineahills: perfect
	12:11pm Cheyenne: Powerful stuff today Meghan! Thank you.
	12:11pm Meghan: Hey there Cheyenne!
	12:12pm Dave B: Righteous!
	12:13pm Meghan: Hello there Mr. Brady....
	12:14pm Dave B: Hello there Ms. McKee and Denizens of the Underwater Theme Park!
	12:16pm Joe non Papa: Usually, I listen in archive. I had to listen live today. I know this show is going to be important.
	12:19pm Meghan: Glad you are joining us live today!
	12:26pm Snortley: Pic by Brecht Vandenbroucke www.flickr.com...
	12:28pm Parq: Would you take a vacation trip to Nashville and Memphis, or would you regard supporting the Tennessee economy as something you couldn't do? Asking for a friend.
	12:29pm KP: I've gone from iphone to laptop to freely converse here so i better come up with something worthwhile.
	12:29pm KP: The High Priestess of Soul
	12:29pm Meghan: Hahaha. Hello everyone!
	12:31pm Sem Chumbo: Live and Kickin', you bet. Hiya, Meghan, all.
	12:31pm Meghan: I have taken a vacation to Memphis for a night and had to work in Nashville. But being major cities, I feel they are more diverse and the people there shouldn't be lumped in the political garbage...
	12:32pm Dave B: Red Sox Organ Music - much better than that "Pitch Felt Around The World" last night
	12:34pm Cheyenne: @Parq, yes of course. Go! Tennessee is beautiful. I'm from Kentucky and know for sure that there are lots and lots of folks fighting hard for equality and peace in Tennessee, just as there are everywhere else.
	12:34pm Dean: Read Robert Paul Wolff's recent series of posts at The Philosopher's Stone for clarity regarding the sadness and hatred. Truly. Smart analysis can provide some relief.
	12:35pm Dave B: and NUTS I missed the call for songs! I could have provided a bunch...
	12:36pm KP: Wow. "Blindsided." That's a good one, M.
	12:37pm KP: You know, despite his horrible background, i think the key to all of this is the investigation. He's looking into the abyss.
	12:38pm northguineahills: Exactly, KP!
	12:42pm Doug Schulkind: Greetings, Meghan and fellow anti-racist anti-fascists!
	12:43pm Meghan: Welcome to this safe haven Doug!
	12:44pm annie: growing up in a household that was academic and "conversation-oriented" there was access to multiple sources from all aspects of global society. (my father was an ever-growing bigot, too). i turned to music for escape and to learn the trials of those oppressed and those not; the lesson i got?.... no one is immune from troubles. everything is relative.. therefore love all people, not just those in your corner.. ...
	12:45pm Parq: "Suppose you lived there all your life. Do you think that you would mind?" All these decades later, those lines still kill me.
	12:49pm Parq: Like Annie's, my family was open and respectful. (Also like Annie's, my dad was changed for the worse by time and age, but that's a side point.) Unfortunately, it ended at my front door. The blue collar Catholic New Jersey community in which I grew was openly racist, anti-Semitic and pit-bull Republican. That, plus my current (and for the past 30 years) work environment, is why I'm not suprised by the current crop of racist bullying assholes. Not that I understand them, condone them or forgive them in the least -- it's just that, unlike people I know from more enlightened backgrounds, I'm not at all surprised to find that they exist.
	12:52pm Dean: Nixon, folks. He wasn't personally disposed to dislike minorities. In fact, he was a strong proponent of civil rights...until being so was politically infeasible. The hatred promoting racism does not manifest only as individual emotion.
	12:56pm annie: i proud to have grown up to be the same damn hippe i was at 23.... i watched Billy Jack last night... what a timeless movie..
	12:56pm The Oscar: Just tuning in-- this feels real good right now.
	12:57pm KP: Trouble Every Day is Right! Great get.
	12:59pm Parq: See this is the thing -- right now, there is a web radio show playing songs that are saying 180 degrees the opposite of what these songs are saying, and that show's listeners are relating to them just as much as we are to these.
	12:59pm Sem Chumbo: Brilliant string of spins.
	1:01pm coelacanth∅: hello Meghan and snorkelers
	1:02pm Sem Chumbo: Those will gills welcome here, as well.
	1:03pm coelacanth∅: have a statue of a dog pissing on the confederate statue.
	1:04pm Dave B: Put Bussas everywhere to remind them that the war is over... en.wikipedia.org...
	1:05pm doctorjazz: Hi, meetings until now, great space to be for a bit.
	1:05pm The Oscar: Just found out that there's a confederate statue on an island off the coast of Massachusetts up here. The thing is, they can't actually do anything to it, because the whole grounds are a historically protected area. The solution: they put a nondescript box over it.
	1:05pm northguineahills: Most of the statues came up during the resurgence of the modern KKK in the late 1910s/1920s or during the Civil Rights era.
	1:06pm βrian: I think it's more of having the statues in a public context. Germany kept many Nazi artifacts but in museums that provide a more specific context.
	1:08pm Dave B: NICE! I love Anima Sound System! I was also going to suggest Reagan Youth's "I Hate Hate"
	1:08pm Parq: The problem is not that these sculptures exist. The problem is that they were erected to celebrate the men they are portraying, and many people continue to do so, encouraged by the prescience of the statues. I'm not a big fan of cultural revision, but these aren't mere works of art.
	1:08pm coelacanth∅: annie - you watched billy jack last night; i listened to billy jack last night! (the song)
	1:09pm Parq: Also, after decades of being "fair to both sides" while the other side takes advantage of my doing so and sucker-punching, I really don't care so much any more about being fair.
	1:10pm coelacanth∅: agreed Parq. maybe that's why i do like the little girl in front of the bull.
	1:10pm Dave B: And it's in our backyard now too... www.nydailynews.com...
	1:10pm βrian: I think, for example, a carefully curated underwater theme park might be a good final destination for the statues.
	1:12pm Dave B: @βrian - they would make for a good artificial reef
	1:12pm Parq: Annnd, the right wingers always get a "but what about" just when they need one. A terrorist has just ploughed a van through La Rambla in Barcelona.
	1:12pm coelacanth∅: i'd be surprised if i didn't start seeing (more) confederate flags here in upstate ny now.
	1:12pm northguineahills: I got a Soviet propaganda poster while in college, and took it to my father to give to a friend of his who was a framer. My father threw it away.
	1:14pm annie: ......imagine being blind and NOT seeing the sculptures. the buddha was the first to say he did not want stone homages to himself. i think we put these things up to feed our ego/guilt. remember when the taliban began to destroy all those amazing buddhas?? there was a global uprising, yet it still happens in other forms: our attachment to images that soothe our fears/egos/guilt is just that. i think the question is: how are our hearts and souls satisfied? i'm a pacifist, and the small quaker in me says leave those icons behind and love one another..
	1:16pm Meghan: In Moscow I found this amazingly beautiful poster of Lenin. It was gorgeous. I turned to my husband and said- wow, this is amazing.... but it would be kinda weird to have a giant poster of Lenin in our house right? Sadly we didn't get it, but I do have some other posters from both China and Russia....
	1:18pm Dave B: Heroic or worshipful images are the basis for a cult of personality.
	1:19pm annie: @ coel: that story on the delaware county fair is somewhat troublesome in that one of the protesers was banned from the fair.... ... we STILL live in paranoid times. and @meghan: i used to have such an amazing collection of posters and images... more and more visitors to my home questioned my "loyalty". when i was 13-14 i recieved a lovely pin from a visiting russian dignitary to our house, an image of yuri gagarin. i wore it with pride.. i was torn to shreds in Jr HS as being a commie... ... we will never stop hating...
	1:23pm Ike: I don't hate communists or Lenin, but my problem w/them is that (IMHO) people like to forget that they oppressed human rights and gave leftists a bad name. I'm for democratic socialism. But only if it stays democratic. People like Lenin, Chavez et al. were really into circular firing squads and ultimately gave in to corrupting totalitarian tendencies, severely damaging the cause for many generations past and yet to come.
	1:27pm Alex In Illinois: I think we need to know how people get radicalized into believing those extreme right wing ideas.
	1:32pm The Oscar: I was lucky enough to grow up in a pleasantly liberal bubble-- aging hippie parents, experimental high school not unlike the one in Billy Jack-- but I was still deep enough in the backwoods that there was a lot of that stuff around. One house a mile or two from mine had a Confederate flag outside. After 9/11, they literally hung a "United We Stand" flag UNDERNEATH IT. I really wanted to get a photo, but I was afraid of being shot.
	1:33pm Alex In Illinois: I was responding to what was spoken about trying to talk to those extreme right wing folks--not anything posted
	1:34pm Parq: The Oscar's story says it all -- poignant and mind-blowing.
	1:34pm Eliyah: Hey guys am i the only one who thiks american political systems and all are shiiiiiet!?
	1:35pm Meghan: If we knew how to do that Alex..... Sadly it has become us vs them and no open discussion. People get radicalized by growing up with it....and being isolated
	1:35pm coelacanth∅: i just looked at an image of some fool posing, foolishly, facing the little girl who's facing the bull. i don't know what the hell he's thinking, but the commenter on "politicalhotwire" is maybe even more of a fool, writing:"A statue signifying the empowerment of women...and girls". ...apparently doesn't even understand the statement the statue is making.
	1:36pm KP: I'm all for a Jello statue
	1:39pm Dave B: @KP - you'd need to keep it refrigerated....
	1:40pm coelacanth∅: i love this set! i feel like it's 1984 and i'm listening to Pat Duncan or Paul Cavenaugh.
	1:40pm Parq: The most intractable aspect of that problem (re Meghan@1:36) is that it's all a result of human nature. Given the way the human mind is wired to work, and given certain unchangable aspects of our current society, this stuborn, irrational opposition to progressive ideals is inevitable. I'm all for trying to eliminate this terrible part of human nature, but I fear we can't do so any more than we can hope to eliminate hurricanes.
	1:40pm coelacanth∅: (...okay well not now!)
	1:42pm The Oscar: Cathartic to hear all the stuff the other DJs can't play-- thanks!
	1:42pm Meghan: The joys of not having to follow FCC guidelines..... ahhhhhhhh
	1:43pm Meghan: And yes Parq..... sadly I agree.....
	1:44pm northguineahills: I see it at the charity I was volunteering (giving clothes and food to the needy), there are many christian right-wingers who's heart is in the right place, but they can't shake the ideal their pastor or fox news has drilled into them.
	1:45pm Eliyah: Isnt that stupid of confusing a religion or a faith with the fucked up politics?
	1:50pm Parq: I have had a lot to say, but here's one more thing I have to say: this has been a freaking great show, and an equally great on-line conversation. Meghan, as always, you are thee greatest.
	1:50pm Meghan: It's brainwashing. If you repeat something over and over and over, people will eventually believe it
	1:51pm Dave B: Indeed. Thanks Meghan!
	1:52pm northguineahills: Back in the 90s, my mother voted for Clinton, was into art. She started listening to Rush "for entertainment". Now, she's further right then my father, who's your typical military republican.
	1:54pm doctorjazz: Some of this is human nature, have to agree, my group or "tribe" is who I'm with. My dad, who was a holocaust survivor (camps, the works), espoused racist feelings when I was a child. You'd think after what he went through it might resonate differently for him, but, no, he had a tough life, and resented Black folks for various reasons.
	1:55pm Dave B: @NGH - I thought you meant Rush - THE BAND at first read...
	1:56pm Doug Schulkind: Can't hear enough of this show, Meghan. Thank you.
	1:56pm northguineahills: She even subscribes to the Rush's magazine, it's cringeworthy, especially the attempts at "right wing humor"
	1:57pm Meghan: Wow, Doctorjazz.... that is tough. And sad on many levels..... @Dave B- I did too..... hahahaha
	1:58pm Alex In Illinois: In other countries, there are people who call themselves "conservatives" but are pro-choice and acknowledge that global warming is a man-made problem and is real.
	1:58pm northguineahills: I might have rather family dynamic if that were the case, oh the possibilities on that timeline.
	1:59pm coelacanth∅: i grew up with crazy contradiction. my parents always voted republican but were opposed to the vietnam war, turned us on at a very young age to Peter Paul & Mary, the beatles, Harry Belafonte; my mom got into astology and wearing colorful ponchos; my dad started smoking herb.my brother's "black" friend moved in when he got kicked out of his house, but my mother was opposed to "inter-racial" sex....etc -but the still and to this day vote republican.
	1:59pm northguineahills: different family dynamic...
	1:59pm annie: doc jazz, i have a cherokee indian friend who has nothing good to say about jews, and, for the life of me i am not able to get to the bottom of his hatred
	2:00pm doctorjazz: Sounds like a similar dymanic, Annie...
	2:01pm Meghan: Going over in time today everyone! No Matt means I can play a few more songs!
	2:01pm The Oscar: @coel Similar lines with my grandparents-- southern, conservative, and not 100% cool racially, but they HATED Nixon and Bush, and ultimately lived to vote for Obama. I'm pretty glad they weren't around the past year or so.
	2:02pm Doug Schulkind: You can go long, Meghan, just as long as you're off by 7pm.
	2:02pm Alex In Illinois: North Guinea Hills, that's scary about your Mom.
	2:03pm Meghan: hahaha.... I got to get to work at some point today! haha
	2:04pm coelacanth∅: my mother didn't vote for bush for the second term, but both parents (& they're not together so it's not a collaboration) voted for trump. i wonder if they have any idea why.
	2:04pm northguineahills: Yep, well, at least my parents aren't racist, they got that going for them. Good thing as my niece is half Guyanese.
	2:05pm northguineahills: Faving this episode Meghan, thanks!
	2:09pm KevinfromBayRidge: Hey Meghan et al. Last set-very fulfilling. I was running last week on the Belt bikepath and saw a local "no-neck" with a "Hillary for Prison '2016" Tshirt. Asked if she would share her cell with Donald!
	2:09pm coelacanth∅: my mother is definitely racist, though not particularly hateful. she's the kind that would say she has a problem with jews or mexicans, "but Murray's different; but Juan is different". she disapproved of interracial romances, but by the time every one of her offspring had had such relationships she softened her view on that.
	2:10pm Sem Chumbo: Though I have been living and breathing American culture and news and politics for the past forty years here in the great white north, there is nothing in my experience or reading or quizzing my American friends which helps me understand what in the gods name's is going on in your country. From here it looks like not only is American history is being deconstructed, but the country itself.
	2:10pm Meghan: hahaha.... nice one Kevin!!!
	2:11pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Meghan. Excellent program. tchau camaradas
	2:11pm KevinfromBayRidge: I just have to watch out for Nazi driven vehicles now
	2:14pm Dave B: @Kevin: youtu.be...
	2:17pm doctorjazz: In my dad's defense, he had little knowledge of American history, just saw the turbulent 60s on TV with demonstration, violence, and he thought to himself (likely), "they think THEY had it bad". He had little context for what was going on, not much education in Poland.
	2:20pm Doug Schulkind: Yes yes yes.
	2:21pm Artie: Hey, everybody. Matt, did you do something different with your hair today?
	2:27pm doctorjazz: (no updates in the playlist, are we on the stream? Sounding good...)
	2:35pm doctorjazz: now, silence from the Stream...
	2:35pm Doug Schulkind: I am hearing this, too, doc. (Or, not hearing.)

Underwater Theme Park with Meghan: Playlist from August 17, 2017

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