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Favoriting December 4, 2017: Nir Eyal, author of "Hooked," on building habit-forming apps

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This week, Mark interviews Nir Eyal, author of Hooked: How to Build Habit-Forming Products. Our topic: building habit-forming products and the ethics of trying to hook users.

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Listener comments!

  6:02pm
Ricky:

Hey, happy to be here.
  6:04pm
melinda:

Hello techtons
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Mark Hurst:

Hi Ricky, hi Melinda!
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Webhamster Henry:

I can't stop listening to this show.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:08pm
Mark Hurst:

Happy you're here, Webhamster Henry
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northguineahills:

Webhamster Henry, you can always stop the loop (remember?)
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:12pm
Webhamster Henry:

The suckiness of other people's software makes me write my own.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:12pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Software that's habit forming reminds me of South Park's "Freemium Isn't Free" episode from a couple years ago.
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geezerette:

Yep, we're all addicted to WFMU and the habit forming comment
stream.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:15pm
Webhamster Henry:

I thought the first rule of drug dealing is
"He gives the kids free samples
because he knows full well
that today's young innocent faces
will be tomorrow's clientele"
-- Prof. Tom Lehrer
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northguineahills:

@geezerette: I can stop any time!
Avatar 6:18pm
geezerette:

Oh, me too!...but I always come back...:)
  6:19pm
melinda:

I always come back too.
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Fredericks:

Free-basing heroin?
  Swag For Life Member 6:19pm
sibeliuss:

who is this idiot? Everybody is fucking addicted to FB, just look around
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:20pm
Webhamster Henry:

"Sure I can give up smoking, I've done it hundreds of times" -- numerous wags
  Swag For Life Member 6:20pm
sibeliuss:

moron
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:21pm
Webhamster Henry:

Three's a way out: get addicted to Google Plus. The methadone of social media.
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Carmichael:

I'm not addicted to FB. Rarely even look at it.
  6:21pm
melinda:

Facebook is habit-forming even without the app.
Avatar 6:22pm
northguineahills:

I'm on FB maybe every 7-10 days, and only use at my home laptop (not a work or my phone).
  6:22pm
Simon R.:

@sibeliuss - Can you call in to debate your side of this? I'm not a Facebook user. No idea what it's all about.
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Fuzzy:

@sibelius: I concur.
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northguineahills:

laughter OL, Webhamster Henry!
  Swag For Life Member 6:24pm
sibeliuss:

It was a glorious day when I deleted my FB account
  Swag For Life Member 6:25pm
sibeliuss:

But to say that this is "just new technology" completely ignores collected metric data that deliberately feeds unconscious urges
  6:25pm
sufferwords:

this interviewee is clueless- stick to numbers and code and let people with a modicum of empathy parse the threat of the digital age
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northguineahills:

I've never noticed the FB news feed.
  Swag For Life Member 6:27pm
sibeliuss:

And he seems to also be unable to distinguish between his own lived experience and other peoples... classic narcissist....... sorry for getting all psychological here but come on
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Webhamster Henry:

If you are sick of Trump news, you can listen to Clay Pigeon.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:27pm
Webhamster Henry:

I thought the answer is Silicone.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:28pm
Bas NL:

Whenever it's referred to as a 'product' then i know i have no use for it...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:29pm
coelacanth∅:

sibeliuss, you're correct. this guy's selfish and short-sighted.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:29pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

@Bas - In the ice cream freezer at the grocery store, I saw something with a label like "Milk-based frozen dessert product." No thanks!
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geezerette:

Most technologies are neutral, what matters is who deploys them and why.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:30pm
Webhamster Henry:

Yeah! Medical care and education are real cheap due to technology!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:31pm
coelacanth∅:

...and self-driving cars are a good thing? somebody's an idiot.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:31pm
Bas NL:

@KenfHP: Sounds like a detergent.. :)
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geezerette:

His arguments are specious and far too glib. Arrogant as well.
  Swag For Life Member 6:32pm
sibeliuss:

Why does he keep getting all defensive with his "i don't care about fb, i dont care about twitter"? Hmmm
  Swag For Life Member 6:32pm
sibeliuss:

Mentioned at least ten times now!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:33pm
Webhamster Henry:

Can we help you -- or can we sell you more of what you are addicted to?
Avatar 6:34pm
northguineahills:

Did I hear something about cake???
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:34pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

More about today's guest - www.nirandfar.com
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:34pm
Webhamster Henry:

#blamethevictim
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:35pm
Krys O.:

I am so glad to hear this guest and I agree with his perspective. Thanks for featuring it.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:35pm
foofs:

This is like the radio stations on GTA. I keep expecting Laszlo to come on.
  Swag For Life Member 6:35pm
sibeliuss:

lol northguineahills
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:36pm
Webhamster Henry:

The cake is a lie.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:37pm
coelacanth∅:

...not that i don't agree with anything he says.
-but i don't use a pocket computer, so...facadebook newsfeed?
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geezerette:

Except that "things" are not getting "better"; they're becoming different.
Our National Parks are being handed over yo extractive industries. I've seen the results of strip-mining.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:39pm
Webhamster Henry:

FB Newsfeed is not about News, it's the firehose of posts from whomever you are following mixed with targeted ads.If you follow news sources, you'll see their posts though.
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Jeff Moore:

knowyourmeme.com...
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coelacanth∅:

or, to put it another way, g, the planet is destine to become inhabitable, fairly soon, as a result of greed and short-sightedness.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:41pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

@geezerette - I'm highly dismayed, but not surprised, by the news from Utah today. Occupy Escalante!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
Folsom:

I worked with a guy that went to work for Ballys. Back when they put out tokens they would tune the basket to make the loudest noise so it is obvious someone won to keep you playing.
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coelacanth∅:

i do get emails about about fb "friends" activity. that's the bulk of my contact with it. if it went beyond that the simple and logical solution is to not have a fb account.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:45pm
Webhamster Henry:

I noticed that in the good old days of computer gaming - via floppy disks that took a while to read - when the game was over, it would immediately jump to the PLAY AGAIN screen without needing to re-seek to the beginning of the disc.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:46pm
Phil with the phone:

Hey guys we're having some problems with the phone tonight :/
post your comments here though!
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geezerette:

Fist bump, Coel.

Ken FHP, I agree.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:46pm
Webhamster Henry:

in re:elf surveillance: I guess a good ol' crucifix doesn't work so well.
  6:46pm
rw:

Those things are fake?? My kids installed one in my room.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:47pm
ultradamno:

Way to make the 'elf on a shelf' concept creepier.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:47pm
Webhamster Henry:

Cuing Irwin's version of "Santa Claus is Coming to Town"
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:47pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

I'm guessing the scam is that the elf cam actually works and sends images back to headquarters.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:48pm
Mark Hurst:

Here's the AirBNB story on Twitter -
twitter.com...
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geezerette:

Folsom,analogy to gaming industry is apt.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:51pm
Webhamster Henry:

My air B&B running pal has an internet camera, but outside the door so he can scurry home when the guests arrive, which is very useful!
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coelacanth∅:

i'd have fun with that camera; then destroy it...AND i'd sue their ass.
  6:51pm
JakeGould:

This thing? www.amazon.com...
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Make sure the phone switch is in "mono."
  6:53pm
JakeGould:

• Encourage good behaviour this Christmas from your little ones!
• Elfie is watching and reporting to Santa good or bad behaviour!
• Features a red flashing light that makes it all that more real.
• Sure to keep the children in line.
• Requires: 2 x AA Batteries (not included)
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cosmic matrix:

I like this one the best --> www.amazon.com...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:54pm
Webhamster Henry:

@mark yep: it's addictive framing and Nir is probably not even conscious of it himself.
  6:54pm
JakeGould:

The Elf on the box says, “Hey! I’m watching you.” images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
Folsom:

Daniel Blumin is part of the Bluminati!
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mr_mike:

Thanks for bringing on your guest. I disagree with him. Thank you Web Henry
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Folsom:

Techions? Tech and Tonics?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Technovites
  6:57pm
Gio the Engineer:

Help DJ Markus Aurelius Hurst assemble the techtonic resistance
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
coelacanth∅:

i like being called a techton as much as i like being called "a motorist" (as opposed to "a person")
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melinda:

@Folsom I like Bluminauts too
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Carmichael:

Proud to be Luddite!
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geezerette:

Ha ha, "addicts".
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
Webhamster Henry:

Oh man, Polkal Fry coming up!
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melinda:

@coel sorry
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coelacanth∅:

(Folsom i collect royalties on that. thank you)
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
Webhamster Henry:

I, an old tech head, am VERY wary of the "Tech solution"
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geezerette:

mmmmm...kielbasa...
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Bas NL:

Thanks Mark!
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Tech-mooers
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Webhamster Henry:

Techtons is OK, Techtones would be good if you played more music.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
coelacanth∅:

melinda, just kidding!
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geezerette:

Ha! Ken! :D
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coelacanth∅:

Thanks Mark!
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Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone! Sorry for the phone issues. Appreciate you keeping the discussion going here. Tech-mooers, good one :)
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Webhamster Henry:

Hear ya next week! Dzienkuje!
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geezerette:

Melinda, "Techtons" is brilliant!
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Bas NL:

Techtons +1
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:01pm
Chris J:

G'night, Shifters!
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geezerette:

Hey Bas!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 7:03pm
Bas NL:

Hi geezerette!
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Webhamster Henry:

Music for the Wojtechtonics!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:07pm
ultradamno:

Somebody running late today?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:10pm
melinda:

@geeze thanks!
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