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Favoriting July 15, 2019: Matt Stroud, author, "Thin Blue Lie"

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This week: Matt Stroud on his new book "Thin Blue Lie," on Tasers and "the failure of high-tech policing."



Links to Matt Stroud:

• Postindustrial.com, Matt's media company featuring "journalism, podcasts, and events about progress in postindustrial America."

• Twitter: @MattStroud

• Thin Blue Lie: The Failure of High-Tech Policing by Matt Stroud

Tech news

• Juggalo Makeup Foils Facial Recognition Technology: see also this.

• One Of The Country’s Major Suppliers Of Police Body Cameras Has Banned Facial Recognition. But That Isn’t Enough (Afrotech, June 28): "Axon may have tried to paint itself as doing some good by creating this ethics board, but the best thing the company could do is not exist. This is, after all, the developers of the Taser. Although no government agency really tracks Taser use or its impacts, a 2019 Reuters review of police records, news reports, and court documents found that at least 49 people died after being shocked by police with a Taser in 2018 alone."

• Taser Chief Gets $246 Million Stock-Option Award (WSJ, May 2): "[Axon CEO Patrick] Smith’s reported compensation far surpasses that of the highest-paid CEOs last year at much larger companies and is about 20 times the median pay for an S&P 500 chief."

• This Is Palantir’s Top-Secret User Manual for Cops (Vice, July 12): "The Palantir user guide shows that police can start with almost no information about a person of interest and instantly know extremely intimate details about their lives. . . . [giving] law enforcement nearly omniscient knowledge over any suspect they decide to surveil."

• Running From Cops: a new podcast about COPS, the long-running TV show.

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  Matt Stroud, author of "Thin Blue Lie," tells the story of the company that makes Tasers, leading to what he calls "the failure of high-tech policing."
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Webhamster Henry:

Hello friends!
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ultradamno:

Hello Mark! El Techtrode Darts!
  6:01pm
John from Florham park:

Hello fellow technoids
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Phillippe Bastille:

Howdy, unplugging friends
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Bas NL:

Mark! Technoticons! (Behind you!)
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geezerette:

Hey!
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Webhamster Henry:

Baidu apologises for fake message from a dead boys account:
www.scmp.com...
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annie:

so nice to be listening
  6:02pm
melinda:

Hi all
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TDK60:

Hi Mark, been a while. Mondays are usually busy anymore.
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chresti:

Hello!
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Ike:

Beep beep honk honk
  6:05pm
LCBD:

Hi Mark! Hi all!
  6:06pm
John from Florham park:

@Annie same here, besides shelia b show on Friday this is appointment listening
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ultradamno:

Does juggalo makeup mess with facial recognition software because the identity keeps coming back as 'jerk'?
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mechamaiko:

Hi friends! Hi Mark!
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geezerette:

oh no! :(
  6:10pm
John from Florham park:

@Nark just read about peter theil strange guy
  6:11pm
John from Florham park:

@Mark sorry for screwing up your name
  6:12pm
dano59:

Ultradamno is onto something
  6:15pm
dano59:

I unGoogled one of my devices last week - and sub to a newsletter (Popular Information) that eschews data mining
  6:15pm
zebraboys:

Marty the robot is stalking Stop & Shop https://newfoodeconomy.org/supermarket-robot-automation-ai-organized-labor-stop-and-shop/
  6:16pm
melinda:

Good news that Epstein will be testifying.
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geezerette:

Melinda, agree.
  6:19pm
John from Florham park:

@Dano59 how do I get that newsletter you have subscribed too
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Watch out for overseas shell corporations under Facebook's control that arrange campaign contributions to those particular lawmakers.
  6:23pm
Adam West Coaster:

I have been away for too long. Not by choice. So satisfying to get to tune in live today!
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ultradamno:

Do they also call him Errol?
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Mark Hurst:

Hi all, thanks for the comments!
@Adam West Coaster, glad you're able to join in today!
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Well - so glad nobody is getting shot by cops now...
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Bas NL:

Time for a tinfoil suit..
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...being completely unnecessary & all...
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

1st thing you learn in any work environment w/ electricity - don't let it cross your heart...
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ultradamno:

It's amazing how many non-lethal weapons kill people
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geezerette:

We're stuck in a horror show with no exit....no, wait, the sign is burned out but but my eyes have adjusted to the light, there's the outline of a door.
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ultradamno:

Rubber bullets, for another example.
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Mark Hurst:

Totally non-lethal, except for all the lethalities
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Only a Good Guy w/ a taser can prevent a Bad Guy w/ a taser
...so - more tasers...obviously...
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Mark Hurst:

(fatalities, i mean)
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...after all - the word 'gun' isn't in the 2nd Amendment...
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ultradamno:

listverse.com...
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Bas NL:

Seems like tasers need some AI. Flat on the floor = enough.. should be easy?
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ultradamno:

That's true "bear arms" is, which seems cruel to the bears. They were using those.
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Bas NL:

Solutionism. Great word!
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Train people? Takes money... Pay them enuff to be human? Takes money... What the hell - it's just the Police becoming an Army. How is that bad?!...
Then there's sound cannons...
  6:39pm
sim:

How then do we deal with late-stage capitalism, which has turned all our lovely tech toys to wicked products?
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geezerette:

Ultra,!!! :D
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Mark Hurst:

@ultradamno - that Sticky Foam Gun looks interesting
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ultradamno:

That's been around for a long time. I can remember reading an article on non-lethal crowd control devices in, Spy, maybe, back in the early nineties or something. Asphyxiation seems like a potential problem.
  6:46pm
Siobhan:

Thiel’s an unreliable narrator at best. I wondered the timing of his google statement coinciding with the news last week about all the California cities having access to Palantir info and the leak of the Palantir police manual. (Thiel’s a founder)
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ultradamno:

...article that included those, I mean to say. Also, shootable nets and stuff.
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JakeGould:

@BsaNL: “Seems like tasers need some AI. Flat on the floor = enough.. should be easy?” Stunningly naive assessment. The reality is any weapon of any kind used against any living thing can result in worse consequences than intended. More AI? Nope. Tasers are garbage. It‘s a fantasy that is like some kind of magic bean idea.
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mechamaiko:

*A real hero by Electric Youth plays softly in the background*
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

This Palantir. Named after Tolkien's Palantiri: devices that generally told people things they couldn't handle ?!??
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Jeff Moore:

Let's go immediately to wide deployment of ED-209! What could possibly go wrong?
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Well - Killer Robots are coming. Next step from drones.
  6:50pm
JakeGould:

“Dick, I am very disappointed.” youtu.be...
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mechamaiko:

Speaking of robots vs humans, there are Amazon workers striking today because they don't want to be treated like robots.

www.cnn.com...
  6:52pm
sim:

@Siobhan. Yes, Thiel is an opportunistic worm. If I were in the middle of a thunderstorm and he told me it was raining, I would wonder what his angle was.
  6:53pm
Siobhan:

@sim couldn’t have put it better myself
  6:54pm
sim:

A way to counter the Right on cops is to push privatization of police forces. Minorities and disenfranchised groups could subscribe to more consumer friendly security protection.
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annie:

interesting how SkyNet was so prophetic.... but not
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geezerette:

Ready to bang my head against the wall.
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Bas NL:

Seems like we're left with having to use Human Intelligence..
  6:56pm
sim:

We're all bad guys.
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Juggalo make-up with Scott Urban's privacy eyewear technology embedded?
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Bas NL:

Thanks Mark!
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Well that was...excruciating. Appreciate it.
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geezerette:

Thanks, Mark!
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Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone! Appreciate you tuning in & commenting.
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ultradamno:

Wonder what the Coug's biggest clash with authority was.
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craplivion:

omg.i cantt believe im listening to a reveized or even if it was the original version of the music box that i rember my grandfather listened to on am when i was ten years old
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