WFMU: This Is The Modern World with Trouble: Playlist from October 10, 2019

Listener comments!
	9:00am Aaron Working In Newark: Good Morning Trouble~
	9:02am Strandlund: I Love Trouble...
	9:03am TDK60: Good morning Trouble, tho I have to leave for work soon. Thanks for hosting Josh MacPhee last week.
	9:03am melinda: Morning! Looking forward to the interview, love the art!
	9:04am Aaron Working In Newark: I am all about Trouble.
	9:05am jdawithoutAnoukInBerlin: morning all… (though its 3pm here already) … berlin calling
	9:05am Lixiviated Life: Buenos dias problemas
	9:05am Adrian in London: Hello Trouble and listeners. Your premium arrived today, and the track listing looks great. Looking forward to listening to it.
	9:08am Trouble: good morning fall thursdayites, and good day to other times and weathers...
	9:14am partyfinger: you promised disco this week, no more gloomy you said, but I lioke it
	9:14am Reno Dakota: Haven’t seen Micah in years. Sweet guy.
	9:15am BnowB: This piano piece is gorgeous.
	9:17am morphe': Trouble, met a fellow parent here in Madrid who says she loves your show!!!!! I do not know her name???? Thanks for spining!!!!!
	9:17am rammer: swaying gently here in cold, cold Missoula MT thank u!
	9:18am Trouble: oooo partyfinger: that is not a reality: that's my imaginary life.
	9:19am Trouble: @morphe': wowza: that is crazy fantastic. small world...
	9:20am VincentNifigance: @Morphe’ Sort your streaming issues out?
	9:23am Strandlund: Nothing but Trouble...
	9:23am Planet Tyler: Makes me realize, not enough opera on fmu
	9:24am Trouble: it's a hard one@planettyler. hard to segue and lots of people have strong anti opera feelings.
	9:25am kentuckywoman: I feel like I'm going to end up favoriting this playist; I've favorited every song so far!
	9:25am Listener Gregory: Stick to your opera guns, Trouble.
	9:27am đ¢ ÞäŦ: Well if they don't like opera, come back in 5 minutes...or 10..
	9:28am đ¢ ÞäŦ: Wolfe song is NOT my cup of tea but really digging it. Something about the vastness of it..
	9:29am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: . .whulp - can't say 'dont like Opera' anymore .. so that's what the fuss about Maria Callas is about...
	9:31am đ¢ ÞäŦ: Talk about segues--Wolfe into the bells of Inoyama Land. Perfect.
	9:31am Nulsh: Great start to the show!!!
	9:32am steveo: hi i can fill in for thanksgiving. i just need to find the shoebox with my fcc license.
	9:32am Linda Lee: Maria Callas la Prima Donna! a miracle, never repeated. true freeform allows opera!
	9:32am Ken From Hyde Park: Halloween is also on a Thursday this year.
	9:32am đ¢ ÞäŦ: yeah, Broadway is where I draw the line..
	9:33am Lixiviated Life: trouble, you can play it all. you just need to set the right mood
	9:33am Linda Lee: fmu does JC Superstar, though. big broadway show!
	9:33am Webhamster Henry: WFMU's first show tunes show is coming to the Drummer stream today! Bronwyn B.'s Acid Jazz Hands: wfmu.org...
	9:34am đ¢ ÞäŦ: Line, drawn.
	9:34am Linda Lee: check out the streams if you haven't, listeners! marvelous treasures daily.
	9:35am morphe': Vincent... Still plagued with redirects -"CoverOpen" "ExtraBrowser" "ResourcesSource" "SafeFinder" Not hacking but malfuctioning!!! Ever hear of those plagues??? Think it/they came through with a "contaminated" FlashPlayer update? No Apple store here, but there is a Mac specialist shop??? Disaster...functiong from a tablet... Shop reopens after 1730(Madrid)...UGH!!!
	9:36am Trouble: yes halloween! caitlin keegan will be sitting in with me on halloween playing witchy songs and talking about her new dream journal...
	9:36am melinda: @Henry looks like it starts tomorrow evening
	9:36am Diezel Tea: Hello Makers. Hello Trouble.
	9:40am Andrea: GIVE ME TYLENOL!!!
	9:41am đ¢ ÞäŦ: I've been keeping a dream journal for years. I've been told that nobody wants to hear about my dreams.
	9:41am crateslinger: wow this bridal party is the best thing since Steely Dan
	9:42am Webhamster Henry: @melinda yes - Friday! - I was anticipating it!
	9:42am Linda Lee: dream journals are a great tool for making sense of things. who cares if no one else is interested? it's not their stuff! :-)
	9:42am melinda: @Henry that's how exciting jazz hands are!
	9:43am sphere: hullo
	9:43am Andrea: Trouble- nice shift from give me tylenol to I'd like to go away...
	9:43am đ¢ ÞäŦ: Well I'm writing songs using them as central themes so people are gonna hear about them anyway.
	9:44am Linda Lee: good! :-)
	9:44am prudy: wish I could sail away....
	9:45am Linda Lee: make the unknown digestable for them. ;-)
	9:46am sphere: Twilight Circus is totally my favorite non-Jamaican dub act.
	9:46am Webhamster Henry: @LindaLee my ex was a big dream journalist! Some got reworked into comic panels and poems. I have lots of pages, but no specific journal. My kid Ada started one at age 6 using invented spelling (might still be doing it at 20...) www.echonyc.com...
	9:48am Linda Lee: those are beautiful drawings! good work, Ada!
	9:49am Linda Lee: so we enter the unknown & come back with inspiration. then we create. as it ever was. :-)
	9:52am Nulsh: Ada's drawings (and dreams) are great!
	9:54am VincentNifigance: @Morphe’ That’s a head scratcher. You’re listening through the site on an iPad? Have you tried the app? Or maybe a 3rd party like Tunein.com?
	9:56am Webhamster Henry: Thanks! We are a family of artists! Nancy's (ex) somniloquies (dream talk) raw audio files were was part of the Radio Boredcast People Like Us put together in 2012 and used to stream here before Sheena took over. They're available in the WFMU archives. Search for "Nancy O Graham".
	9:58am crateslinger: Live Opera is THE most complete art form. Sad most of the audience is barely alive at all.
	10:01am Webhamster Henry: @Morphé et al: the direct 128k WFMU main stream link is stream0.wfmu.org... which you can stick in 3rd party stream playing software like iTunes.
	10:01am Trouble: very true@crateslinger....its outstanding. although i back off from ranking art forms, but live opera is spine chilling
	10:02am Linda Lee: i'd love hearing it, Henry! will look it up for sure.
	10:03am Linda Lee: when my grandparents arrived from Italy & began raising a family, in the 20s & 30s, live opera was their tv. :-)
	10:03am Linda Lee: imagine it!
	10:04am Linda Lee: instead of Milton Berle they had Caruso!
	10:06am melinda: @Henry thanks for the links!
	10:08am Ike: @morphe, I might be passing through Madrid in November! Is the Sunday flea market interesting? Any favorite cheap restaurants?
	10:10am Listener Gregory: Live opera is fantastic, but opera on the radio is really for those who already know the opera and so don't need visuals, subtitles, etc. IMHO. That doesn't mean that an occasional aria or chorus isn't very radio-worthy.
	10:12am Linda Lee: i think it's possible for us to appreciate opera out of narrative context, as music, too. it's just a form most of us aren't used to.
	10:12am Bobby K: i dig it
	10:12am Bobby K: this track
	10:19am Dances with Moomins: Morning Ms Tru Belle
	10:20am melinda: David did a wonderful Valentine's Day cover for the New Yorker some years ago, which I saved.
	10:21am steveo: interesting guest!
	10:25am melinda: "Pure, uncut program" haha
	10:31am ignatatus666: Greetings Trouble Please respect that these are anonymous programs You just outed a famous person Not cool The 12 step program of A.A. is not Christian based Each members concept of a God is personal. I’m 32 years sober and my God now as well as then is Good orderly Direction Basically the group.The group together stay sober so that’s a power greater then me. When the groups end meetings with the our father prayer it’s a total turn off and actually not a part of the program I never take part in that prayer and never have
	10:35am ignatatus666: In A.A. and NA there are those that are addicted to the 12 step meetings. They just need to work on the 12th step and bring the message others . I personally think it’s a deeper rooted issue after a few years, yet we are no one to judge a person that is staying clean. We got high and drunk 24/7 so..... I also personally never hid in meetings. I keep the program with me and reach out to those who are suffering.
	10:36am Jeff formerly from Rahway: Fascinating discussion! Gonna share this w/a friend who is in AA (and staying sober!)
	10:37am charles b: read michael pollan's 'open your mind ' (or something along those lines) for that very issue...it's mainly about mushrooms but a great read for history including the AA connection.!
	10:40am Listener Gregory: @ignatatus, I agree with you about outing famous people, but note that the person's addiction problems are very well known and are all over her wikipedia page, for example.
	10:44am Ike: filtermag.org... www.vox.com...
	10:46am Webhamster Henry: Go search for strangely satisfying videos (like on TikTok) they are ... strangely satisfying. People spackling walls and the like!
	10:46am Nulsh: Interesting interview. Thanks Trouble.
	10:48am Webhamster Henry: Lesson #4!
	10:51am Phillippe Bastille: Good morning Trouble and troublemakers
	10:52am melinda: @Ike thanks for the links, will read later. I know AA has helped lots of folks but it seems weird to me that alcoholism is simultaneously considered a disease and something best treated with a quasi-religious program.
	10:52am đ¢ ÞäŦ: yeah, great interview. Never thought of addiction to 12 step. Now it seems obvious.
	10:55am Phillippe Bastille: Never could get into AA. I just couldn't get into the religious aspect. KInda handling sobriety it on my own
	10:55am Webhamster Henry: Another reason to pledge to WFMU: the archives! Here's Steinski's Rough Mix show: wfmu.org...
	10:56am Ike: @WH, that's a great one!
	10:56am Phillippe Bastille: *sobriety on my own (see Ike, I need you editor guys)
	10:57am pantz: @melinda addiction is a disease that can't really be treated medically, except for total abstinence. The 12 Step program is more about rewiring yourself to deal with everyday life without abusing. Keep in mind, AA was established very early in the 20th Century, when your chices for addiction recovery were a sanitarium or death and religious groups were the only way to come together and talk about issues.
	11:00am Phillippe Bastille: Been a while since I read it, but I think it was Annie Grace who discussed AA and its application to recovery in "This Naked Mind". She wasn't a fan, if memory serves me well.
	11:00am pantz: It's as religious as you want it to be. Most meetings I go to don't stress any one form of religion or beliefs.
	11:06am JeremyB: Fantastic show. Heatley's book sounds incredible.
	11:07am pantz: I'm definitely going to get a copy of that book. I'm intrigued.
	11:09am coelacanth∅: my brother tried 3-4 (?) 12-step groups, all of which he had to stop going to because of the pressure and (unspoken) judgement on him for being critical of the religion pushed there. he found a "good one" finally but it was a 2.5 hour commute from where he lived, in brooklyn.
	11:12am cheri the duff: What's up Trouble and all other Trouble makers,,Cheri the duff is here to join the party!!
	11:12am sphere: there are non-religious sobriety groups out there, though I've been sober always and don't really know about them.
	11:15am JakeGould: @ListenerGregory: Who are we talking about here?
	11:19am melinda: @pantz I'm reading the Vox article now and it makes some of the same points you've made about why it works for some people (support, cognitive-behavioral group therapy), but it would be wrong for it to be the only option, which is why alternative groups have been started. Also, some people do better with naltrexone therapy. I read an article in my local weekly paper by someone who had been in and out of treatment, lived on the streets even, and finally got better with naltrexone. My point was that there need to be more options and it seems that AA has undue dominance.
	11:21am Phillippe Bastille: The reddit thread r/stopdrinking is really supportive, but you have to steel yourself for the sheer number of tragic stories you see if you get on it every day. Helped me a lot at the start, but I can only get on it sporadically for that reason
	11:22am pantz: I have no problem with alternatives to AA that would work for others. Heck, if soaking my head in vinegar every day keeps me from abusing, I would try it. To each their own.
	11:25am Phillippe Bastille: @pantz absolutely!
	11:27am ignatatus666: Gregory the listener That fine for herself to do. It’s just a reminder that others should never be mentioned by full name nor status. Our disease/addiction has no boundaries. If a well known person gets sober then decides not to be sober it gives the impression that a 12 step program didn’t work for them why would it work for me.
	11:29am coelacanth∅: sphere yes that's what my brother needed; along with a job that was more fulfilling. (but his depressive cycle derailed him from going after the more fulfilling job -etc...)
	11:30am JakeGould: “It’s just a reminder that others should never be mentioned by full name nor status.” That is an utterly incredulous claim when a public figure decides to share information on their lives with others.
	11:30am βrian: Bakers have better success with a 13-step program, naturally.
	11:30am sphere: i am digging the Stargazer Lilies most severely.
	11:31am ignatatus666: We were very lucky in the area I got sober in. Many young people did at the same time. We had many social sober gatherings. Dances, Live music, New Years ball etc. all sober. We also were given great advice not rules to help stay sober during holidays without being anti social Go to the party ,grab a coffee cup start on one side of the room and greet everyone as you are making your way to the door ( depends how or if you do t feel comfortable)
	11:31am JakeGould: @βrian: Now THAT is funny! But falls a wee bit into the whole world of the “13th step.”
	11:32am sphere: My favorite non-drinker trick is the club soda with lime. it looks like so many different drinks that no one will ask you anything. :)
	11:32am Party.Worm: Do any of y'all make zines? anyone interested in being zine friends? also I'm not in AA anymore but I love al-anon lol
	11:32am ignatatus666: Jake Gould Read the first sentence man. It’s ok for herself to do. Please do t try to find something that doesn’t exist pal.
	11:33am ignatatus666: Sphere I make mocktails Yet Seltzer is my go to.
	11:34am PJ: @Ignatatus: Why is it our business whether anyone else is sober or not? If you want to be sober and proselytize for what worked for you, fine, but what is the point of castigating someone who doesn't subscribe to your particular beliefs?
	11:35am PJ: "your business"
	11:35am ianai: Strange dude. Why would he go to AA if he’s not an alcoholic? No wonder the steps didn’t work for him.
	11:36am pantz: @ianai he explained that he was addicted to the programs themselves. That's what his book is about.
	11:37am JakeGould: @ignatatus666: Which of your first sentences that you are then contradicting by other sentences. Anyway, there is no magic go the secret of AA or NA. The vast majority of people don’t rat on people in AA or NA. It’s — frankly — kind of a ninny/school marm attitude to “remind” people like this. Most people are respectful. Few I know who even hate people who are in AA would even gossip in spite. This is all straw man nonsense on your part. You are assuming negative intent.
	11:39am Morphe’: Ike - the Rastro Sunday flea mkt is of interest, mostly furniture. Food -best to eat the”menu” lunch. Much cheaper than dinner. Most cafes/bars give a free tapas with each drink/round... can range from olives to a wee paella... my favorite little restaurant is called Bar Amour - a real rest, despite the name. It was a former old man bar..need a reservation. If solo, can perhaps get a bar stool.
	11:40am Nulsh: Party.Worm, what are yer' zines about? I used to self publish comics and contribute to zines. I miss it!
	11:41am Greg R.: I don't love the Hot Chip "Atomic Bomb" version, but when I hear it I can get on board. And then they have an explosion at the end and I'm like, oh forget it...
	11:42am steveo: somewhere i have a photo of myself wearing a butthole surfers t-shirt at the rastro from 1992. don't forget to go the prado & wherever guernica is these days.
	11:42am steveo: (still the reina sofia which is also excellent)
	11:45am tim from champaign: I have to admit that I'm very intrigued by David Heatley's new book. I did not like his previous comic 'My Brain Is Hanging Upside Down' at all. From reading that though it does make a lot of sense that he became addicted to addiction programs.
	11:46am Ike: Thanks @Morphe! Does Madrid have any big immigrant communities with great restaurants? One thing I love about New York City is all the great Chinese and Thai restaurants among many others (though sometimes you have to take a train pretty far out to get the really good stuff). Is Madrid like that or is it best to focus on Spanish food?
	11:48am Phillippe Bastille: Seltzer, yes! And ginger beer
	11:50am Party.Worm: @Nulsh . Cool!! A collection of stuff! Mainly freaker comics , drawings, and band interviews ! It's my favorite thing/only thing that keeps me sane rite now! You should get back into it!
	11:50am steveo: hieronymus bosch, saturn devouring his son, las meninas
	11:51am Nulsh: I intend to Party.Worm - anything online I can have a look at?
	11:52am ianai: @pantz yeah, thanks, I was a bit in my head and not really listening fully. Kind of hearing through my own filter. Also, separately, brings to mind that crystal meth Anonymous episode of high maintenance. Same but way different.
	11:53am Phillippe Bastille: thanks Trouble!
	11:54am sphere: i make a spritzer in which i fill a pint glass with a can of seltzer, top it off with dry vermouth, and squeeze an entire lime in. i like it a lot.
	11:55am sphere: thanks Trouble!
	11:55am ignatatus666: Jake Good try We are an anonymous program. Ok you don’t get it. You don’t respect it. I see that.
	11:55am Morphe’: Lavapies has Indian and African/Arabic(south). Estrecho (north) has So.. American. Most markets have good food stalls... closed 2-5pm
	11:56am Trouble: thanks for sitting in today. hopefully everyone will pledge your support to wfmu this month...
	11:56am ignatatus666: Phillipe I love seltzer with cucumber and lime Or seltzer with a pellegrino red bitter
	11:58am Nulsh: Cheers Trouble!
	11:59am Ike: ¡Gracias mil millones!
	11:59am coelacanth∅: Thanks Trouble and David
	11:59am Phillippe Bastille: @ignatatus and sphere yeah, that seltzer from the nozzle always needs something. at home its generic flavored stuff from the store
	12:00pm Listener Gregory: Very interesting show, Trouble. Thanks!
	12:00pm coelacanth∅: (i would never give a fuck if anyone thinks i'm drinking alcohol or something else)

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October 10, 2019: more than anything with David Heatley

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Format	Comments	New	Approx. start time
squid	rodeo "rodeo" by "squid"	town centre	speedy winderground			*	0:00:00 (Pop-up)
micah frank	a sun will always sing-morning	quetico	puremagnetik tapes			*	0:12:54 (Pop-up)
maria callas	giordano/andrea chenier	la divina 3					0:24:51 (Pop-up)
chelsea wolfe	american darkness "american darkness" by "chelsea wolfe"	birth of violence	sargent house			*	0:29:47 (Pop-up)
Inoyama Land	candy floss "candy floss" by "Inoyama Land"	Commissions: 1977-2000	empire of signs			*	0:35:03 (Pop-up)

niton	serote "serote" by "niton"	Interactions: A Guide to Swiss Underground Experimental Music (V/A)	buh records			*	0:42:12 (Pop-up)
bridal party	tylenol "tylenol" by "bridal party"	too much	kingfisher bluez			*	0:46:30 (Pop-up)
barbara lyon	stowaway "stowaway" by "barbara lyon"	saitn etienne present songs for the lyons coffeehouse v/a					0:48:40 (Pop-up)
Twilight Circus Dub Sound System	arabix	other worlds of dub					0:51:24 (Pop-up)
Tinariwen feat. Noura Mint Seymali & Stephen O'Malley	amalouna	amadjar	anti-			*	0:56:32 (Pop-up)
fist of facts	first strike "first strike" by "fist of facts"	fugitive vesco	telephone explosioan		1988/2019 lead vocalist from liquid liquid	*	0:59:30 (Pop-up)
bobby john	like i do "like i do" by "bobby john"	los angeles soul vol 2 v/a	kent			*	1:06:22 (Pop-up)
elevator pitch	eric "eric" by "elevator pitch"						1:08:59 (Pop-up)
baden powell	o astronauta "o astronauta" by "baden powell"						1:12:38 (Pop-up)
federico aubele	diario de viaje "diario de viaje" by "federico aubele"	granhotelbuenosaires					1:15:25 (Pop-up)

					david heatley interview author of "Qualification" a graphic memoir in twelve steps		1:21:51 (Pop-up)
double dee & steinski feat ada	the beat	lesson 4: the beat	double dee & steinski				1:55:42 (Pop-up)
cotito	festejo de ritmo "festejo de ritmo" by "cotito"	hechocero	buh			*	2:05:25 (Pop-up)

the little shadows	time for peace	The Time for Peace Is Now: Gospel Music About Us	luaka bop			*	2:14:08 (Pop-up)
morabeza tobacco	orinoco "orinoco" by "morabeza tobacco"	morabeza tobacco					2:18:11 (Pop-up)
lee fields and the expressions	it rains love	it rains love					2:22:43 (Pop-up)
gloria ann taylor	how can you say it	love is a hurtin' thing					2:26:28 (Pop-up)
hiba elgizouli	bidaya "bidaya" by "hiba elgizouli"			Single			2:29:16 (Pop-up)
The Stargazer Lilies	icarus sun "icarus sun" by "The Stargazer Lilies"	occabot	rad cult			*	2:33:41 (Pop-up)
william onyeabor vs hot chip	Atomic Bomb	What?! William Onyeabor Remixed					2:37:55 (Pop-up)
sunset rollercoaster	i know you know i love you						2:44:51 (Pop-up)
thought process	it won't be long "it won't be long" by "thought process"	public works	thought process			*	2:46:57 (Pop-up)
saint etienne	spring "spring" by "saint etienne"	Fox Base Alpha					2:50:45 (Pop-up)

jenny wren	chasing my dream all over town	Live It Up! Bayswater Beat Girls 1964-1967	ace			*	2:54:17 (Pop-up)

The Legendary Jim Ruiz Group	spain	oh brother where art thou?					3:00:57 (Pop-up)
bamboo	weeping idols "weeping idols" by "bamboo"	daughters of the sky	upset the rhythm			*	3:04:10 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	9:00am Aaron Working In Newark: Good Morning Trouble~
	9:02am Strandlund: I Love Trouble...
	9:03am TDK60: Good morning Trouble, tho I have to leave for work soon. Thanks for hosting Josh MacPhee last week.
	9:03am melinda: Morning! Looking forward to the interview, love the art!
	9:04am Aaron Working In Newark: I am all about Trouble.
	9:05am jdawithoutAnoukInBerlin: morning all… (though its 3pm here already) … berlin calling
	9:05am Lixiviated Life: Buenos dias problemas
	9:05am Adrian in London: Hello Trouble and listeners. Your premium arrived today, and the track listing looks great. Looking forward to listening to it.
	9:08am Trouble: good morning fall thursdayites, and good day to other times and weathers...
	9:14am partyfinger: you promised disco this week, no more gloomy you said, but I lioke it
	9:14am Reno Dakota: Haven’t seen Micah in years. Sweet guy.
	9:15am BnowB: This piano piece is gorgeous.
	9:17am morphe': Trouble, met a fellow parent here in Madrid who says she loves your show!!!!! I do not know her name???? Thanks for spining!!!!!
	9:17am rammer: swaying gently here in cold, cold Missoula MT thank u!
	9:18am Trouble: oooo partyfinger: that is not a reality: that's my imaginary life.
	9:19am Trouble: @morphe': wowza: that is crazy fantastic. small world...
	9:20am VincentNifigance: @Morphe’ Sort your streaming issues out?
	9:23am Strandlund: Nothing but Trouble...
	9:23am Planet Tyler: Makes me realize, not enough opera on fmu
	9:24am Trouble: it's a hard one@planettyler. hard to segue and lots of people have strong anti opera feelings.
	9:25am kentuckywoman: I feel like I'm going to end up favoriting this playist; I've favorited every song so far!
	9:25am Listener Gregory: Stick to your opera guns, Trouble.
	9:27am đ¢ ÞäŦ: Well if they don't like opera, come back in 5 minutes...or 10..
	9:28am đ¢ ÞäŦ: Wolfe song is NOT my cup of tea but really digging it. Something about the vastness of it..
	9:29am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: . .whulp - can't say 'dont like Opera' anymore .. so that's what the fuss about Maria Callas is about...
	9:31am đ¢ ÞäŦ: Talk about segues--Wolfe into the bells of Inoyama Land. Perfect.
	9:31am Nulsh: Great start to the show!!!
	9:32am steveo: hi i can fill in for thanksgiving. i just need to find the shoebox with my fcc license.
	9:32am Linda Lee: Maria Callas la Prima Donna! a miracle, never repeated. true freeform allows opera!
	9:32am Ken From Hyde Park: Halloween is also on a Thursday this year.
	9:32am đ¢ ÞäŦ: yeah, Broadway is where I draw the line..
	9:33am Lixiviated Life: trouble, you can play it all. you just need to set the right mood
	9:33am Linda Lee: fmu does JC Superstar, though. big broadway show!
	9:33am Webhamster Henry: WFMU's first show tunes show is coming to the Drummer stream today! Bronwyn B.'s Acid Jazz Hands: wfmu.org...
	9:34am đ¢ ÞäŦ: Line, drawn.
	9:34am Linda Lee: check out the streams if you haven't, listeners! marvelous treasures daily.
	9:35am morphe': Vincent... Still plagued with redirects -"CoverOpen" "ExtraBrowser" "ResourcesSource" "SafeFinder" Not hacking but malfuctioning!!! Ever hear of those plagues??? Think it/they came through with a "contaminated" FlashPlayer update? No Apple store here, but there is a Mac specialist shop??? Disaster...functiong from a tablet... Shop reopens after 1730(Madrid)...UGH!!!
	9:36am Trouble: yes halloween! caitlin keegan will be sitting in with me on halloween playing witchy songs and talking about her new dream journal...
	9:36am melinda: @Henry looks like it starts tomorrow evening
	9:36am Diezel Tea: Hello Makers. Hello Trouble.
	9:40am Andrea: GIVE ME TYLENOL!!!
	9:41am đ¢ ÞäŦ: I've been keeping a dream journal for years. I've been told that nobody wants to hear about my dreams.
	9:41am crateslinger: wow this bridal party is the best thing since Steely Dan
	9:42am Webhamster Henry: @melinda yes - Friday! - I was anticipating it!
	9:42am Linda Lee: dream journals are a great tool for making sense of things. who cares if no one else is interested? it's not their stuff! :-)
	9:42am melinda: @Henry that's how exciting jazz hands are!
	9:43am sphere: hullo
	9:43am Andrea: Trouble- nice shift from give me tylenol to I'd like to go away...
	9:43am đ¢ ÞäŦ: Well I'm writing songs using them as central themes so people are gonna hear about them anyway.
	9:44am Linda Lee: good! :-)
	9:44am prudy: wish I could sail away....
	9:45am Linda Lee: make the unknown digestable for them. ;-)
	9:46am sphere: Twilight Circus is totally my favorite non-Jamaican dub act.
	9:46am Webhamster Henry: @LindaLee my ex was a big dream journalist! Some got reworked into comic panels and poems. I have lots of pages, but no specific journal. My kid Ada started one at age 6 using invented spelling (might still be doing it at 20...) www.echonyc.com...
	9:48am Linda Lee: those are beautiful drawings! good work, Ada!
	9:49am Linda Lee: so we enter the unknown & come back with inspiration. then we create. as it ever was. :-)
	9:52am Nulsh: Ada's drawings (and dreams) are great!
	9:54am VincentNifigance: @Morphe’ That’s a head scratcher. You’re listening through the site on an iPad? Have you tried the app? Or maybe a 3rd party like Tunein.com?
	9:56am Webhamster Henry: Thanks! We are a family of artists! Nancy's (ex) somniloquies (dream talk) raw audio files were was part of the Radio Boredcast People Like Us put together in 2012 and used to stream here before Sheena took over. They're available in the WFMU archives. Search for "Nancy O Graham".
	9:58am crateslinger: Live Opera is THE most complete art form. Sad most of the audience is barely alive at all.
	10:01am Webhamster Henry: @Morphé et al: the direct 128k WFMU main stream link is stream0.wfmu.org... which you can stick in 3rd party stream playing software like iTunes.
	10:01am Trouble: very true@crateslinger....its outstanding. although i back off from ranking art forms, but live opera is spine chilling
	10:02am Linda Lee: i'd love hearing it, Henry! will look it up for sure.
	10:03am Linda Lee: when my grandparents arrived from Italy & began raising a family, in the 20s & 30s, live opera was their tv. :-)
	10:03am Linda Lee: imagine it!
	10:04am Linda Lee: instead of Milton Berle they had Caruso!
	10:06am melinda: @Henry thanks for the links!
	10:08am Ike: @morphe, I might be passing through Madrid in November! Is the Sunday flea market interesting? Any favorite cheap restaurants?
	10:10am Listener Gregory: Live opera is fantastic, but opera on the radio is really for those who already know the opera and so don't need visuals, subtitles, etc. IMHO. That doesn't mean that an occasional aria or chorus isn't very radio-worthy.
	10:12am Linda Lee: i think it's possible for us to appreciate opera out of narrative context, as music, too. it's just a form most of us aren't used to.
	10:12am Bobby K: i dig it
	10:12am Bobby K: this track
	10:19am Dances with Moomins: Morning Ms Tru Belle
	10:20am melinda: David did a wonderful Valentine's Day cover for the New Yorker some years ago, which I saved.
	10:21am steveo: interesting guest!
	10:25am melinda: "Pure, uncut program" haha
	10:31am ignatatus666: Greetings Trouble Please respect that these are anonymous programs You just outed a famous person Not cool The 12 step program of A.A. is not Christian based Each members concept of a God is personal. I’m 32 years sober and my God now as well as then is Good orderly Direction Basically the group.The group together stay sober so that’s a power greater then me. When the groups end meetings with the our father prayer it’s a total turn off and actually not a part of the program I never take part in that prayer and never have
	10:35am ignatatus666: In A.A. and NA there are those that are addicted to the 12 step meetings. They just need to work on the 12th step and bring the message others . I personally think it’s a deeper rooted issue after a few years, yet we are no one to judge a person that is staying clean. We got high and drunk 24/7 so..... I also personally never hid in meetings. I keep the program with me and reach out to those who are suffering.
	10:36am Jeff formerly from Rahway: Fascinating discussion! Gonna share this w/a friend who is in AA (and staying sober!)
	10:37am charles b: read michael pollan's 'open your mind ' (or something along those lines) for that very issue...it's mainly about mushrooms but a great read for history including the AA connection.!
	10:40am Listener Gregory: @ignatatus, I agree with you about outing famous people, but note that the person's addiction problems are very well known and are all over her wikipedia page, for example.
	10:44am Ike: filtermag.org... www.vox.com...
	10:46am Webhamster Henry: Go search for strangely satisfying videos (like on TikTok) they are ... strangely satisfying. People spackling walls and the like!
	10:46am Nulsh: Interesting interview. Thanks Trouble.
	10:48am Webhamster Henry: Lesson #4!
	10:51am Phillippe Bastille: Good morning Trouble and troublemakers
	10:52am melinda: @Ike thanks for the links, will read later. I know AA has helped lots of folks but it seems weird to me that alcoholism is simultaneously considered a disease and something best treated with a quasi-religious program.
	10:52am đ¢ ÞäŦ: yeah, great interview. Never thought of addiction to 12 step. Now it seems obvious.
	10:55am Phillippe Bastille: Never could get into AA. I just couldn't get into the religious aspect. KInda handling sobriety it on my own
	10:55am Webhamster Henry: Another reason to pledge to WFMU: the archives! Here's Steinski's Rough Mix show: wfmu.org...
	10:56am Ike: @WH, that's a great one!
	10:56am Phillippe Bastille: *sobriety on my own (see Ike, I need you editor guys)
	10:57am pantz: @melinda addiction is a disease that can't really be treated medically, except for total abstinence. The 12 Step program is more about rewiring yourself to deal with everyday life without abusing. Keep in mind, AA was established very early in the 20th Century, when your chices for addiction recovery were a sanitarium or death and religious groups were the only way to come together and talk about issues.
	11:00am Phillippe Bastille: Been a while since I read it, but I think it was Annie Grace who discussed AA and its application to recovery in "This Naked Mind". She wasn't a fan, if memory serves me well.
	11:00am pantz: It's as religious as you want it to be. Most meetings I go to don't stress any one form of religion or beliefs.
	11:06am JeremyB: Fantastic show. Heatley's book sounds incredible.
	11:07am pantz: I'm definitely going to get a copy of that book. I'm intrigued.
	11:09am coelacanth∅: my brother tried 3-4 (?) 12-step groups, all of which he had to stop going to because of the pressure and (unspoken) judgement on him for being critical of the religion pushed there. he found a "good one" finally but it was a 2.5 hour commute from where he lived, in brooklyn.
	11:12am cheri the duff: What's up Trouble and all other Trouble makers,,Cheri the duff is here to join the party!!
	11:12am sphere: there are non-religious sobriety groups out there, though I've been sober always and don't really know about them.
	11:15am JakeGould: @ListenerGregory: Who are we talking about here?
	11:19am melinda: @pantz I'm reading the Vox article now and it makes some of the same points you've made about why it works for some people (support, cognitive-behavioral group therapy), but it would be wrong for it to be the only option, which is why alternative groups have been started. Also, some people do better with naltrexone therapy. I read an article in my local weekly paper by someone who had been in and out of treatment, lived on the streets even, and finally got better with naltrexone. My point was that there need to be more options and it seems that AA has undue dominance.
	11:21am Phillippe Bastille: The reddit thread r/stopdrinking is really supportive, but you have to steel yourself for the sheer number of tragic stories you see if you get on it every day. Helped me a lot at the start, but I can only get on it sporadically for that reason
	11:22am pantz: I have no problem with alternatives to AA that would work for others. Heck, if soaking my head in vinegar every day keeps me from abusing, I would try it. To each their own.
	11:25am Phillippe Bastille: @pantz absolutely!
	11:27am ignatatus666: Gregory the listener That fine for herself to do. It’s just a reminder that others should never be mentioned by full name nor status. Our disease/addiction has no boundaries. If a well known person gets sober then decides not to be sober it gives the impression that a 12 step program didn’t work for them why would it work for me.
	11:29am coelacanth∅: sphere yes that's what my brother needed; along with a job that was more fulfilling. (but his depressive cycle derailed him from going after the more fulfilling job -etc...)
	11:30am JakeGould: “It’s just a reminder that others should never be mentioned by full name nor status.” That is an utterly incredulous claim when a public figure decides to share information on their lives with others.
	11:30am βrian: Bakers have better success with a 13-step program, naturally.
	11:30am sphere: i am digging the Stargazer Lilies most severely.
	11:31am ignatatus666: We were very lucky in the area I got sober in. Many young people did at the same time. We had many social sober gatherings. Dances, Live music, New Years ball etc. all sober. We also were given great advice not rules to help stay sober during holidays without being anti social Go to the party ,grab a coffee cup start on one side of the room and greet everyone as you are making your way to the door ( depends how or if you do t feel comfortable)
	11:31am JakeGould: @βrian: Now THAT is funny! But falls a wee bit into the whole world of the “13th step.”
	11:32am sphere: My favorite non-drinker trick is the club soda with lime. it looks like so many different drinks that no one will ask you anything. :)
	11:32am Party.Worm: Do any of y'all make zines? anyone interested in being zine friends? also I'm not in AA anymore but I love al-anon lol
	11:32am ignatatus666: Jake Gould Read the first sentence man. It’s ok for herself to do. Please do t try to find something that doesn’t exist pal.
	11:33am ignatatus666: Sphere I make mocktails Yet Seltzer is my go to.
	11:34am PJ: @Ignatatus: Why is it our business whether anyone else is sober or not? If you want to be sober and proselytize for what worked for you, fine, but what is the point of castigating someone who doesn't subscribe to your particular beliefs?
	11:35am PJ: "your business"
	11:35am ianai: Strange dude. Why would he go to AA if he’s not an alcoholic? No wonder the steps didn’t work for him.
	11:36am pantz: @ianai he explained that he was addicted to the programs themselves. That's what his book is about.
	11:37am JakeGould: @ignatatus666: Which of your first sentences that you are then contradicting by other sentences. Anyway, there is no magic go the secret of AA or NA. The vast majority of people don’t rat on people in AA or NA. It’s — frankly — kind of a ninny/school marm attitude to “remind” people like this. Most people are respectful. Few I know who even hate people who are in AA would even gossip in spite. This is all straw man nonsense on your part. You are assuming negative intent.
	11:39am Morphe’: Ike - the Rastro Sunday flea mkt is of interest, mostly furniture. Food -best to eat the”menu” lunch. Much cheaper than dinner. Most cafes/bars give a free tapas with each drink/round... can range from olives to a wee paella... my favorite little restaurant is called Bar Amour - a real rest, despite the name. It was a former old man bar..need a reservation. If solo, can perhaps get a bar stool.
	11:40am Nulsh: Party.Worm, what are yer' zines about? I used to self publish comics and contribute to zines. I miss it!
	11:41am Greg R.: I don't love the Hot Chip "Atomic Bomb" version, but when I hear it I can get on board. And then they have an explosion at the end and I'm like, oh forget it...
	11:42am steveo: somewhere i have a photo of myself wearing a butthole surfers t-shirt at the rastro from 1992. don't forget to go the prado & wherever guernica is these days.
	11:42am steveo: (still the reina sofia which is also excellent)
	11:45am tim from champaign: I have to admit that I'm very intrigued by David Heatley's new book. I did not like his previous comic 'My Brain Is Hanging Upside Down' at all. From reading that though it does make a lot of sense that he became addicted to addiction programs.
	11:46am Ike: Thanks @Morphe! Does Madrid have any big immigrant communities with great restaurants? One thing I love about New York City is all the great Chinese and Thai restaurants among many others (though sometimes you have to take a train pretty far out to get the really good stuff). Is Madrid like that or is it best to focus on Spanish food?
	11:48am Phillippe Bastille: Seltzer, yes! And ginger beer
	11:50am Party.Worm: @Nulsh . Cool!! A collection of stuff! Mainly freaker comics , drawings, and band interviews ! It's my favorite thing/only thing that keeps me sane rite now! You should get back into it!
	11:50am steveo: hieronymus bosch, saturn devouring his son, las meninas
	11:51am Nulsh: I intend to Party.Worm - anything online I can have a look at?
	11:52am ianai: @pantz yeah, thanks, I was a bit in my head and not really listening fully. Kind of hearing through my own filter. Also, separately, brings to mind that crystal meth Anonymous episode of high maintenance. Same but way different.
	11:53am Phillippe Bastille: thanks Trouble!
	11:54am sphere: i make a spritzer in which i fill a pint glass with a can of seltzer, top it off with dry vermouth, and squeeze an entire lime in. i like it a lot.
	11:55am sphere: thanks Trouble!
	11:55am ignatatus666: Jake Good try We are an anonymous program. Ok you don’t get it. You don’t respect it. I see that.
	11:55am Morphe’: Lavapies has Indian and African/Arabic(south). Estrecho (north) has So.. American. Most markets have good food stalls... closed 2-5pm
	11:56am Trouble: thanks for sitting in today. hopefully everyone will pledge your support to wfmu this month...
	11:56am ignatatus666: Phillipe I love seltzer with cucumber and lime Or seltzer with a pellegrino red bitter
	11:58am Nulsh: Cheers Trouble!
	11:59am Ike: ¡Gracias mil millones!
	11:59am coelacanth∅: Thanks Trouble and David
	11:59am Phillippe Bastille: @ignatatus and sphere yeah, that seltzer from the nozzle always needs something. at home its generic flavored stuff from the store
	12:00pm Listener Gregory: Very interesting show, Trouble. Thanks!
	12:00pm coelacanth∅: (i would never give a fuck if anyone thinks i'm drinking alcohol or something else)

This Is The Modern World with Trouble: Playlist from October 10, 2019

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