WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from November 18, 2019

Listener comments!
	5:55pm listener james from westwood: Poking in early to say hey—and LOL at the horrifying Wacky Packages–esque Gargle pic!
	5:58pm Mark Hurst: Hi James! Glad you like the image. I have some fun images queued up for the playlist items, too...
	🤖 6:00pm Webhamster Henry: Hi Mark & Friends!
	6:00pm ultradamno: Hello Mark! Techrakers!
	6:01pm Phillippe Bastille: Hey technowhatevers! Whistles. To. Be. Blown!
	6:02pm Carmichael: Heya Mark and responsible tecchies.
	🤖 6:03pm chresti: Hi Mark and Techtoniacs!
	6:03pm coelacanth∅))): greetings Mark & all
	🤖 6:04pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hello, Mark and Techtonia. Let's get puckered!
	6:06pm melinda: Hi everyone
	🤖 6:07pm Bas NL: Hi Mark! Techtonicans!
	6:07pm Michael 98145: howzit
	6:07pm ultradamno: If you look up 'whistleblower' synonyms, it's amazing how many have an overt negative connotation www.thesaurus.com...
	6:08pm melinda: My city council might pass a ban on facial recognition technology tonight, I can’t attend the meeting but I sent them an email today.
	🤖 6:09pm Webhamster Henry: In other news, coming to a megalopolis near you: Facebook has signed a lease for more than 1.5 million square feet of office space at Hudson Yards. The lease, which covers 30 floors spread across three buildings, includes 1.2 million square feet in 50 Hudson Yards, 265,000 square feet in 30 Hudson Yards and 57,000 square feet in 55 Hudson Yards. The company plans to start moving into the offices next year. (CNBC)
	6:14pm TDK60: Hello Mark, been a while.
	6:15pm Mark Hurst: Hi TDK, thanks for joining tonight!
	6:26pm coelacanth∅))): they've had drones killing people for 10 years or more now, i believe
	🤖 6:27pm Bas NL: Now here\s a model: Killer robots are only allowed to kill killer robots.
	🤖 6:29pm Webhamster Henry: Yeesh! Those Three Laws of Robotics are hard to implement!
	6:30pm ultradamno: First, do no harm. Second, have the robot do it.
	6:37pm Michael 98145: Remember, the demise of fixed-benefit pensions came about partly to convince employees they had skin in The Market
	6:37pm Fredericks: BBC headline from August of last year "Venezuela President Maduro survives drone assassination attempt."
	6:39pm Fredericks: What are "seo" results?
	6:39pm Mark Hurst: Search Engine Optimization - basically, how to get higher in search-engine listings
	🤖 6:44pm Webhamster Henry: I haven't been able to land a full time job for three years, and I wasn't even a whistleblower!
	6:45pm JakeGould: SEO in 2019 is such BS. If Google is the only game in town and most of the SEO efforts are based on getting better Google rankings and then Google sells placement to people who pay… Why bother?
	🤖 6:45pm Bas NL: A 'start-up' begins to sound like a not-eil-enough-yet in this context.
	6:48pm JakeGould: And yes, I know about Duck Duck Go and others, but pretty much all of the SEO consultants I know are all basically indentured servants to Google’s raking algorithms.
	6:49pm geezerette: The broader implications are even more depressing than the specifics. Don't want to be cynical.
	6:50pm Ignatatus666: Building killer robots for the NWO/Zionism
	🤖 6:51pm Ken From Hyde Park: The human race won't be killed off by stabby physical robots but web-crawler software bots?
	6:52pm Ignatatus666: @WebmasterHenry What I fear is there is a blacklist for your type of employment.Do you believe that’s a reason for not finding employment in your field?
	6:54pm ultradamno: Worst case scenario 4.bp.blogspot.com...
	6:54pm Michael 98145: sounds like there are FAR too many irresponsible tech-bros
	6:56pm ultradamno: It must be very hard for HBO's Silicon Valley to come up with the exaggerated version of them.
	6:56pm Michael 98145: ... however, that is an excellent point about threatened immigration status.
	6:57pm coelacanth∅))): Thanks Mark and guests
	6:57pm JakeGould: @WebmasterHenry: I would chalk this up to age-ism. I’ve met you a few times and you are clearly capable and skilled; agism is massive in the tech world nowadays.
	6:57pm Sam: I just think nobody should have to quit their job because google is doing bad things. There should be government oversight. There should be laws against these practices. In most industries it’s not up to individual employees to stop massive egregious violations of human decency. You have the FDA, the FCC, the board of ed, etc
	6:57pm northguineahills: Do Killbots have a pre-determined kill amount?
	6:57pm listener james from westwood: Thanks, Mark and panelists!
	🤖 6:57pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark! And thanks guests! Interesting show!
	🤖 6:58pm chresti: Thanks Mark!
	6:58pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone!
	7:00pm Michael 98145: @Sam, the WH is blowing that to bits
	7:01pm Sam: I guess, though there are a lot of conservatives who hate big tech.

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from November 18, 2019

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November 18, 2019: Whistleblowers in tech - w/Jack Poulson, Irene Knapp, Liz O'Sullivan, and Delphine Halgand

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Tonight, whistleblowers in tech - featuring Jack Poulson, Irene Knapp, Liz O'Sullivan, and Delphine Halgand.

For context, consider:

• I'm the Google whistleblower. The medical data of millions of Americans is at risk (Anonymous, The Guardian, Nov 14, 2019): "With a deal as sensitive as the transfer of the personal data of more than 50 million Americans to Google the oversight should be extensive. . . . When I learned that Google was acquiring the intimate medical records of 50 million patients, I couldn’t stay silent."

Pointers to our guests:

• Tech Inquiry, founded by Jack Poulson, "due to his experiences advocating for Google — his former employer — to be held accountable for its planned censorship and surveillance of human rights information and activity in China and abroad."

• I Used to Work for Google. I Am a Conscientious Objector. (Jack Poulson's op-ed in the NYT, Apr 23, 2019)

• Senior Google Scientist Resigns Over “Forfeiture Of Our Values” In China (The Intercept, Sept 13, 2018): "In early August, Poulson raised concerns with his managers at Google after The Intercept revealed that the internet giant was secretly developing a Chinese search app for Android devices. The search system, code-named Dragonfly, was designed to remove content that China’s authoritarian government views as sensitive, such as information about political dissidents, free speech, democracy, human rights, and peaceful protest."

• @supernodal (Jack Poulson on Twitter)

• @tech_inquiry (Tech Inquiry on Twitter)

• On the occasion of leaving Google (by Irene Knapp, Sept 16, 2019)

• @ireneista (Irene Knapp on Twitter)

• I Quit My Job to Protest My Company’s Work on Building Killer Robots (by Liz O'Sullivan, March 6, 2019)

• Liz O'Sullivan's blog

• @lizjosullivan (Liz O'Sullivan on Twitter)

• The Signals Network: the whistleblowers foundation, where Delphine Halgand-Mishra is executive director.

• @TheSignalsNetw (The Signals Network on Twitter)

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Artist	Track	Approx. start time
Whistleblowers in tech - featuring Jack Poulson, Irene Knapp, Liz O'Sullivan, and Delphine Halgand.
Tomaš Dvořák	Game Boy Tune "Game Boy Tune" by "Tomaš Dvořák"
	Mark's intro "Mark's intro"
	Interview w/Jack Poulson et al, Part 1	0:08:37 (Pop-up)
	Interview, Part 2 "Interview, Part 2"	0:28:53 (Pop-up)
	Your comments "Your comments"	0:48:24 (Pop-up)
Anders Enger Jensen	Rainbow Dreams	0:56:26 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	5:55pm listener james from westwood: Poking in early to say hey—and LOL at the horrifying Wacky Packages–esque Gargle pic!
	5:58pm Mark Hurst: Hi James! Glad you like the image. I have some fun images queued up for the playlist items, too...
	🤖 6:00pm Webhamster Henry: Hi Mark & Friends!
	6:00pm ultradamno: Hello Mark! Techrakers!
	6:01pm Phillippe Bastille: Hey technowhatevers! Whistles. To. Be. Blown!
	6:02pm Carmichael: Heya Mark and responsible tecchies.
	🤖 6:03pm chresti: Hi Mark and Techtoniacs!
	6:03pm coelacanth∅))): greetings Mark & all
	🤖 6:04pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hello, Mark and Techtonia. Let's get puckered!
	6:06pm melinda: Hi everyone
	🤖 6:07pm Bas NL: Hi Mark! Techtonicans!
	6:07pm Michael 98145: howzit
	6:07pm ultradamno: If you look up 'whistleblower' synonyms, it's amazing how many have an overt negative connotation www.thesaurus.com...
	6:08pm melinda: My city council might pass a ban on facial recognition technology tonight, I can’t attend the meeting but I sent them an email today.
	🤖 6:09pm Webhamster Henry: In other news, coming to a megalopolis near you: Facebook has signed a lease for more than 1.5 million square feet of office space at Hudson Yards. The lease, which covers 30 floors spread across three buildings, includes 1.2 million square feet in 50 Hudson Yards, 265,000 square feet in 30 Hudson Yards and 57,000 square feet in 55 Hudson Yards. The company plans to start moving into the offices next year. (CNBC)
	6:14pm TDK60: Hello Mark, been a while.
	6:15pm Mark Hurst: Hi TDK, thanks for joining tonight!
	6:26pm coelacanth∅))): they've had drones killing people for 10 years or more now, i believe
	🤖 6:27pm Bas NL: Now here\s a model: Killer robots are only allowed to kill killer robots.
	🤖 6:29pm Webhamster Henry: Yeesh! Those Three Laws of Robotics are hard to implement!
	6:30pm ultradamno: First, do no harm. Second, have the robot do it.
	6:37pm Michael 98145: Remember, the demise of fixed-benefit pensions came about partly to convince employees they had skin in The Market
	6:37pm Fredericks: BBC headline from August of last year "Venezuela President Maduro survives drone assassination attempt."
	6:39pm Fredericks: What are "seo" results?
	6:39pm Mark Hurst: Search Engine Optimization - basically, how to get higher in search-engine listings
	🤖 6:44pm Webhamster Henry: I haven't been able to land a full time job for three years, and I wasn't even a whistleblower!
	6:45pm JakeGould: SEO in 2019 is such BS. If Google is the only game in town and most of the SEO efforts are based on getting better Google rankings and then Google sells placement to people who pay… Why bother?
	🤖 6:45pm Bas NL: A 'start-up' begins to sound like a not-eil-enough-yet in this context.
	6:48pm JakeGould: And yes, I know about Duck Duck Go and others, but pretty much all of the SEO consultants I know are all basically indentured servants to Google’s raking algorithms.
	6:49pm geezerette: The broader implications are even more depressing than the specifics. Don't want to be cynical.
	6:50pm Ignatatus666: Building killer robots for the NWO/Zionism
	🤖 6:51pm Ken From Hyde Park: The human race won't be killed off by stabby physical robots but web-crawler software bots?
	6:52pm Ignatatus666: @WebmasterHenry What I fear is there is a blacklist for your type of employment.Do you believe that’s a reason for not finding employment in your field?
	6:54pm ultradamno: Worst case scenario 4.bp.blogspot.com...
	6:54pm Michael 98145: sounds like there are FAR too many irresponsible tech-bros
	6:56pm ultradamno: It must be very hard for HBO's Silicon Valley to come up with the exaggerated version of them.
	6:56pm Michael 98145: ... however, that is an excellent point about threatened immigration status.
	6:57pm coelacanth∅))): Thanks Mark and guests
	6:57pm JakeGould: @WebmasterHenry: I would chalk this up to age-ism. I’ve met you a few times and you are clearly capable and skilled; agism is massive in the tech world nowadays.
	6:57pm Sam: I just think nobody should have to quit their job because google is doing bad things. There should be government oversight. There should be laws against these practices. In most industries it’s not up to individual employees to stop massive egregious violations of human decency. You have the FDA, the FCC, the board of ed, etc
	6:57pm northguineahills: Do Killbots have a pre-determined kill amount?
	6:57pm listener james from westwood: Thanks, Mark and panelists!
	🤖 6:57pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark! And thanks guests! Interesting show!
	🤖 6:58pm chresti: Thanks Mark!
	6:58pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone!
	7:00pm Michael 98145: @Sam, the WH is blowing that to bits
	7:01pm Sam: I guess, though there are a lot of conservatives who hate big tech.

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from November 18, 2019

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