WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from August 3, 2020

Listener comments!
	6:01pm melinda: hi everyone!
	6:01pm Mark Hurst: Hi Melinda!
	🤖 6:02pm Handy Haversack: Hi, Mark and all the Techyon Particles!
	6:02pm Otis Fodder: hello hello all!
	🤖 6:03pm Handy Haversack: Resend the file, Mark!
	6:03pm Roland, from the Sunshine Coast, Australia: I’m not sure if I’m at the end of the previous show or at the beginning of Techtonic - Either way Hello, Hello Hello.
	6:03pm ultradamno: Mark! Techtonosoftiktokkers! So if Microsoft buy out US Tik Tok, is that much of an improvement?
	6:04pm olivia: mark resend me your file for tonight's show!
	🤖 6:04pm Bas NL: Uploading.. uploading.. ;)
	6:04pm Roland, from the Sunshine Coast, Australia: Hello, Hello Hello. Rushed to school this AM so I can be here at the start of Techtonic.
	🤖 6:06pm Bas NL: Super job Olivia!
	🤖 6:07pm Ken From Hyde Park: It's the New Mark, same as the Old Mark!
	6:07pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, Olivia! Thanks for your patience, everyone!
	🤖 6:07pm Bas NL: Hi Mark!
	🤖 6:07pm chresti: Hi Mark and Technoids!
	6:07pm Otis Fodder: Thanks Olivia, yay. Hello new Mark!
	6:08pm Roland, from the Sunshine Coast, Australia: Man I love that this station is so human - just fantastic. A bit of real life ... so refreshing.
	🤖 6:08pm Bas NL: G'day Roland!
	6:09pm Mark Hurst: All good, we're now underway!
	6:09pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone, for joining in! Welcome.
	🤖 6:09pm Webhamster Henry: They are big - and not the only monopolies that need smashing.
	6:09pm Sonderangebot: Hi Mark and everyone!
	🤖 6:10pm chresti: They're on their way to their secret planet.
	6:11pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Well Musk is literally trying to get to Mars.
	6:12pm Franco Twinkie: Why is that not surprising Mark? That bunch of.....
	6:13pm melinda: Someone suggested that we start sating Elton Musk instead of Elon. I like that.
	6:14pm melinda: saying not sating
	6:16pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: You try getting caught in perjury & see how it works for you.
	🤖 6:16pm Bas NL: How does one pose a fine to a billionaire..
	6:16pm ultradamno: "Believe" is a word containing a lot of wiggle room
	6:17pm Franco Twinkie: Not if you'er crossing your fingers, or legs, or shoestrings. We learn that in the third grade.
	🤖 6:17pm Bas NL: It's not a lie.. it's your new reality!
	6:18pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ✔ Bas NL
	6:20pm ultradamno: Calling them 'cookies' should be illegal. Everyone wants cookies.
	🤖 6:20pm Bas NL: Funny!
	🤖 6:21pm Bas NL: To some degree..
	🤖 6:22pm tim from champaign (now washington): I'm a luddite but doesn't logging in help you stay logged in?
	🤖 6:24pm Ken From Hyde Park: Yarf, I'm glad I never go on Facebook!
	6:24pm chris: "enjoying" is a lie. they watch what what keeps us engaged in the platform, whether we're yelling at a racist relative or watching a cat play a piano.
	6:24pm ultradamno: "Better" is another word open to interpretation coming from him.
	6:24pm chris: and hi, Mark and folks.
	6:25pm coelacanth∅: aw it's just a little cookie. here, you've been good. have a cookie.
	6:25pm David in London: Hello Technoids. Late in today. Hi Mark.
	6:25pm Carmichael: Who was that asshole Boston Pitcher? "I mis-remembered."
	🤖 6:26pm Bas NL: Competition is futile, we will assimilate.
	6:27pm ultradamno: Allow me to re-premise your question.
	6:27pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: It's everything we used to worry about & hate about TV in the 20th Century (pandering, advertising manipulation, monopoly...) - X 100.
	6:28pm David in London: Hey Handy, ultradamno, Coela, Carmichael, Rev.
	6:29pm coelacanth∅: he should be tazed every time he says "congresswoman"
	6:30pm ultradamno: Hiya DiL!
	6:30pm Carmichael: "So what I'm hearing is that Facebook is wonderful ..."
	🤖 6:30pm Handy Haversack: David, how goes? Good weekend?
	6:30pm melinda: Maybe we should rename cookies 'surveillance biscuits'
	6:30pm coelacanth∅: greetings David (iL) (by the way) ho Mark and techtonats
	🤖 6:30pm Ken From Hyde Park: If needed: www.deletefacebook.com
	6:30pm Ike: Great job, Rep. Jayapal.
	6:31pm ARB: That was great, please continue next week!
	6:31pm coelacanth∅: melinda Yes!
	6:31pm chris: i kinda want to eat a surveillance biscuit now.
	🤖 6:31pm Webhamster Henry: Cookies are just one tool for tracking and collecting usage data. Browsers can build and maintain little databases, and callback pixels, and HTTP metadata are all there to help weave a digital market model of you, to sell you what ever it determines you wish.
	6:31pm melinda: I had that Fisher-Price castle!
	6:31pm Otis Fodder: Feeling the flashbacks of facepalm slapping from last week. Condensed was great... but do continue, it's good to hear these deflections again and again.
	6:33pm David in London: That testimony by Zuckerberg was truly nauseating. Handy, lots of time in the sunshine, and even managed a barbecue. So all good. You left town, yes? How was it?
	6:33pm chris: and to Henry's point... even emails can build a profile of you. its not just cookies, or even surveillance biscuits, on the web we need to watch out for.
	🤖 6:34pm Handy Haversack: Excellent - saw good friends, hung out outside, managed to get some paddling in. Much needed time away from the city.
	6:35pm ARB: Should we never accept cookies (surveillance biscuits)?
	6:36pm Mark Hurst: @ARB it's difficult to use any major web services without agreeing to be tracked. However, most browsers have a way to dump all cookies (thus erasing much of the tracking capability)... you just have to log in again on every service you use after that.
	6:36pm Carmichael: I use Firefox, which rejects all "treaties".
	6:37pm chris: ARB, how patient are you? If you want to remain anonymous and untracked on the web, it still takes a great deal of patience and not a small amount of technical ability. cookies are everywhere. not all are evil.
	6:37pm ultradamno: Of the four horsemen of NDAQ there really isn't a 'cute one'
	6:38pm Carmichael: Who's the bottom right? Vin Diesel?
	6:38pm Mark Hurst: Jeff Bezos
	6:39pm ultradamno: Probably shooting more for The Rock than VD
	6:41pm chris: iirc, after jeff went to "special protection" (i.e. mercenary) training, there were some shots (paparazzi?) of him looking very buff and agro. i think that photo of him (background added later) came from one of those pics.
	6:44pm Mark Hurst: Surely the Bill Gates-dabbing pic wasn't photoshopped!
	6:45pm David in London: Experience tells me to distrust any strategy that is prefaced ‘Pivot to...’
	6:45pm chris: bill dabs for days. think that one's 100% legit, Mark.
	6:45pm Mark Hurst: @DiL totally agree
	6:46pm coelacanth∅: they learned this strategy from kiss. (the band) ("we've sold more records than the beatles")
	6:46pm Mark Hurst: @chris sadly, the two upper photos are not photoshopped
	6:46pm Franco Twinkie: An old girlfriend of mine called it negative entertainment, Mark. You're watching something so egregious unfold before you're eyes you just start cracking up.
	6:47pm Dave Miss: Long live print!
	6:47pm chris: sadly, i've actually seen both of those, Mark. sigh, those wacky billionaires.
	6:47pm Mark Hurst: @Dave Miss totally agree. looks like i'm agreeing with the Daves tonight
	6:49pm Mark Hurst: @Franco plenty of negative entertainment available these days, unfortunately
	6:49pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: No Press - less Reporting - less Accountability - for anybody.
	6:50pm ultradamno: @DiL Hard agree.
	6:50pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: There's a reason the Founding Fathes put the Free Press in the very First Amendment for our democracy.
	6:51pm WR: Very little journalistic follow up or consistency in coverage, news is being transformed to click bait.
	6:51pm David in London: It’s the same here in England. Local papers have taken a savaging in recent years. It’s such a bad thing for society and communities.
	6:51pm chris: and called them the fourth estate! you can not have democracy without free press. full. stop.
	6:51pm Mark Hurst: @WR yes but wait 'til you see #6. it will shock you
	6:52pm ultradamno: I don't like hearing about there being "a lot to unpack" either.
	6:53pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Negative Entertainment - wow.
	6:53pm chris: and i know its not a political show, but goddamnit, the major corporations we call republican and democratic parties are the enablers of this corruption.
	6:55pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Socialism for the rich - rugged individualism for the poor. - Martin King
	🤖 6:55pm Handy Haversack: Thanks for today's insights, Mark! Thanks, Skeleton Olivia, too.
	6:55pm ultradamno: Wow, those are a lot of things I do not associate with marketing
	🤖 6:56pm Bas NL: Ahhh.. that was marketing 1.0?
	6:57pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Just this U.S. American ideology that what's good for Business is good for People.
	6:58pm ultradamno: I associate Hallmark with Santa sending a cute elf girl to embed in a family at risk of losing their belief in Christmas.
	6:58pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: It's nonsense. The Rich stay Rich & it has not trickled down - period.
	🤖 6:59pm Ken From Hyde Park: Thanks for watching the hearings, Mark. I think I would've given up after five minutes. Take care.
	6:59pm Carmichael: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 7:00pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark! Thanks Lisa!
	7:00pm Mark Hurst: The "Stop Hate for Profit" campaign is mostly marketers, all trying to resist Mark Zuckerberg. I was interested to see a top marketer look around, see Facebook's & Google's fraud, and look to a different path.
	7:00pm chris: thanks, Mark. feels good to rant for a bit. perseverance furthers.
	7:00pm P-90: I agree with LIsa McPherson: in the big picture the hearing this week was a sign of an incrementally change in how these companies are regarded in our culture.
	7:01pm melinda: thanks Mark
	7:01pm WR: I joined late, was there some info about how she came to have the op-ed piece published in Seattle Times vs. other media outlet?
	7:01pm Franco Twinkie: Right now I am making dots on a piece of paper with a pen. I know I could make my job a lot easier if I just downloaded some dots and called it a day, but the people who have a lock on digital dots are monsters from hell who want to hold me upside down by my feet and start shaking. Therefore I make my own dots, damn it!
	7:02pm Otis Fodder: Thanks Mark and Lisa.
	7:02pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Other week I posted about Billy Bragg's recent commentaries re Free Speech & Accountability - & how youth relate to new media in these terms. There is something positive there.
	7:02pm Mark Hurst: @WR Seattle Times piece linked at left. Good piece.
	7:03pm Otis Fodder: Connect those dots Franco! It's like peeling that onion, lots of layers.
	7:04pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: TY Mark & Lisa
	7:04pm WR: Yes, reading it but wondering if why that paper? She had prior relationship with them or ?
	7:04pm ultradamno: That IS how rappers are nowadays!
	7:04pm P-90: Thanks Mark (and Lisa)
	🤖 7:05pm Handy Haversack: Can't read Seattle Times with an ad blocker installed ...
	7:07pm WR: Yeah, Handy, becoming common on major sites if they detect an ad blocker. Another tech arms race.
	7:08pm WR: And thank you Mark for parsing so much and trying to keep us informed.
	7:10pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Mark! Thanks Lisa!
	7:10pm coelacanth∅: ...Thanks Olivia!

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from August 3, 2020

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August 3, 2020: The Big Tech hearings - and Lisa Macpherson from Public Knowledge

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Tonight: The Big Tech hearings - and Lisa Macpherson from Public Knowledge

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• This is perjury: the Big Tech hearings, summarized, my own take on the hearings

• Video of Big Tech hearings on toxic YouTube - a video showing the Google CEO lying, hosted by Google!

• Lies told by the Big Tech CEOs, on the Washington Post - an article about the owner of the Post lying, hosted by the Post!

• U.S. Code on Perjury

• Tech Companies Report Huge Profits as 40 Million Americans Face Evictions (Vice, July 31). See also Jeff Bezos's one-day gain of $7.6 billion (via Marketwatch).

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• The game is rigged: A former marketer shows you how Big Tech’s advertising practices harm us all (by Lisa Macpherson in the Seattle Times, July 10)

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The Big Tech hearings - and Lisa Macpherson from Public Knowledge
Tomaš Dvořák	Game Boy Tune "Game Boy Tune" by "Tomaš Dvořák"
	Mark's intro "Mark's intro"	0:02:23 (Pop-up)
	Zuck lying to Congress "Zuck lying to Congress"	0:12:03 (Pop-up)
	Interview with Lisa Macpherson "Interview with Lisa Macpherson"	0:24:01 (Pop-up)
Marlon Craft	The Internet Lied "The Internet Lied" by "Marlon Craft"

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Listener comments!
	6:01pm melinda: hi everyone!
	6:01pm Mark Hurst: Hi Melinda!
	🤖 6:02pm Handy Haversack: Hi, Mark and all the Techyon Particles!
	6:02pm Otis Fodder: hello hello all!
	🤖 6:03pm Handy Haversack: Resend the file, Mark!
	6:03pm Roland, from the Sunshine Coast, Australia: I’m not sure if I’m at the end of the previous show or at the beginning of Techtonic - Either way Hello, Hello Hello.
	6:03pm ultradamno: Mark! Techtonosoftiktokkers! So if Microsoft buy out US Tik Tok, is that much of an improvement?
	6:04pm olivia: mark resend me your file for tonight's show!
	🤖 6:04pm Bas NL: Uploading.. uploading.. ;)
	6:04pm Roland, from the Sunshine Coast, Australia: Hello, Hello Hello. Rushed to school this AM so I can be here at the start of Techtonic.
	🤖 6:06pm Bas NL: Super job Olivia!
	🤖 6:07pm Ken From Hyde Park: It's the New Mark, same as the Old Mark!
	6:07pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, Olivia! Thanks for your patience, everyone!
	🤖 6:07pm Bas NL: Hi Mark!
	🤖 6:07pm chresti: Hi Mark and Technoids!
	6:07pm Otis Fodder: Thanks Olivia, yay. Hello new Mark!
	6:08pm Roland, from the Sunshine Coast, Australia: Man I love that this station is so human - just fantastic. A bit of real life ... so refreshing.
	🤖 6:08pm Bas NL: G'day Roland!
	6:09pm Mark Hurst: All good, we're now underway!
	6:09pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone, for joining in! Welcome.
	🤖 6:09pm Webhamster Henry: They are big - and not the only monopolies that need smashing.
	6:09pm Sonderangebot: Hi Mark and everyone!
	🤖 6:10pm chresti: They're on their way to their secret planet.
	6:11pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Well Musk is literally trying to get to Mars.
	6:12pm Franco Twinkie: Why is that not surprising Mark? That bunch of.....
	6:13pm melinda: Someone suggested that we start sating Elton Musk instead of Elon. I like that.
	6:14pm melinda: saying not sating
	6:16pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: You try getting caught in perjury & see how it works for you.
	🤖 6:16pm Bas NL: How does one pose a fine to a billionaire..
	6:16pm ultradamno: "Believe" is a word containing a lot of wiggle room
	6:17pm Franco Twinkie: Not if you'er crossing your fingers, or legs, or shoestrings. We learn that in the third grade.
	🤖 6:17pm Bas NL: It's not a lie.. it's your new reality!
	6:18pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ✔ Bas NL
	6:20pm ultradamno: Calling them 'cookies' should be illegal. Everyone wants cookies.
	🤖 6:20pm Bas NL: Funny!
	🤖 6:21pm Bas NL: To some degree..
	🤖 6:22pm tim from champaign (now washington): I'm a luddite but doesn't logging in help you stay logged in?
	🤖 6:24pm Ken From Hyde Park: Yarf, I'm glad I never go on Facebook!
	6:24pm chris: "enjoying" is a lie. they watch what what keeps us engaged in the platform, whether we're yelling at a racist relative or watching a cat play a piano.
	6:24pm ultradamno: "Better" is another word open to interpretation coming from him.
	6:24pm chris: and hi, Mark and folks.
	6:25pm coelacanth∅: aw it's just a little cookie. here, you've been good. have a cookie.
	6:25pm David in London: Hello Technoids. Late in today. Hi Mark.
	6:25pm Carmichael: Who was that asshole Boston Pitcher? "I mis-remembered."
	🤖 6:26pm Bas NL: Competition is futile, we will assimilate.
	6:27pm ultradamno: Allow me to re-premise your question.
	6:27pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: It's everything we used to worry about & hate about TV in the 20th Century (pandering, advertising manipulation, monopoly...) - X 100.
	6:28pm David in London: Hey Handy, ultradamno, Coela, Carmichael, Rev.
	6:29pm coelacanth∅: he should be tazed every time he says "congresswoman"
	6:30pm ultradamno: Hiya DiL!
	6:30pm Carmichael: "So what I'm hearing is that Facebook is wonderful ..."
	🤖 6:30pm Handy Haversack: David, how goes? Good weekend?
	6:30pm melinda: Maybe we should rename cookies 'surveillance biscuits'
	6:30pm coelacanth∅: greetings David (iL) (by the way) ho Mark and techtonats
	🤖 6:30pm Ken From Hyde Park: If needed: www.deletefacebook.com
	6:30pm Ike: Great job, Rep. Jayapal.
	6:31pm ARB: That was great, please continue next week!
	6:31pm coelacanth∅: melinda Yes!
	6:31pm chris: i kinda want to eat a surveillance biscuit now.
	🤖 6:31pm Webhamster Henry: Cookies are just one tool for tracking and collecting usage data. Browsers can build and maintain little databases, and callback pixels, and HTTP metadata are all there to help weave a digital market model of you, to sell you what ever it determines you wish.
	6:31pm melinda: I had that Fisher-Price castle!
	6:31pm Otis Fodder: Feeling the flashbacks of facepalm slapping from last week. Condensed was great... but do continue, it's good to hear these deflections again and again.
	6:33pm David in London: That testimony by Zuckerberg was truly nauseating. Handy, lots of time in the sunshine, and even managed a barbecue. So all good. You left town, yes? How was it?
	6:33pm chris: and to Henry's point... even emails can build a profile of you. its not just cookies, or even surveillance biscuits, on the web we need to watch out for.
	🤖 6:34pm Handy Haversack: Excellent - saw good friends, hung out outside, managed to get some paddling in. Much needed time away from the city.
	6:35pm ARB: Should we never accept cookies (surveillance biscuits)?
	6:36pm Mark Hurst: @ARB it's difficult to use any major web services without agreeing to be tracked. However, most browsers have a way to dump all cookies (thus erasing much of the tracking capability)... you just have to log in again on every service you use after that.
	6:36pm Carmichael: I use Firefox, which rejects all "treaties".
	6:37pm chris: ARB, how patient are you? If you want to remain anonymous and untracked on the web, it still takes a great deal of patience and not a small amount of technical ability. cookies are everywhere. not all are evil.
	6:37pm ultradamno: Of the four horsemen of NDAQ there really isn't a 'cute one'
	6:38pm Carmichael: Who's the bottom right? Vin Diesel?
	6:38pm Mark Hurst: Jeff Bezos
	6:39pm ultradamno: Probably shooting more for The Rock than VD
	6:41pm chris: iirc, after jeff went to "special protection" (i.e. mercenary) training, there were some shots (paparazzi?) of him looking very buff and agro. i think that photo of him (background added later) came from one of those pics.
	6:44pm Mark Hurst: Surely the Bill Gates-dabbing pic wasn't photoshopped!
	6:45pm David in London: Experience tells me to distrust any strategy that is prefaced ‘Pivot to...’
	6:45pm chris: bill dabs for days. think that one's 100% legit, Mark.
	6:45pm Mark Hurst: @DiL totally agree
	6:46pm coelacanth∅: they learned this strategy from kiss. (the band) ("we've sold more records than the beatles")
	6:46pm Mark Hurst: @chris sadly, the two upper photos are not photoshopped
	6:46pm Franco Twinkie: An old girlfriend of mine called it negative entertainment, Mark. You're watching something so egregious unfold before you're eyes you just start cracking up.
	6:47pm Dave Miss: Long live print!
	6:47pm chris: sadly, i've actually seen both of those, Mark. sigh, those wacky billionaires.
	6:47pm Mark Hurst: @Dave Miss totally agree. looks like i'm agreeing with the Daves tonight
	6:49pm Mark Hurst: @Franco plenty of negative entertainment available these days, unfortunately
	6:49pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: No Press - less Reporting - less Accountability - for anybody.
	6:50pm ultradamno: @DiL Hard agree.
	6:50pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: There's a reason the Founding Fathes put the Free Press in the very First Amendment for our democracy.
	6:51pm WR: Very little journalistic follow up or consistency in coverage, news is being transformed to click bait.
	6:51pm David in London: It’s the same here in England. Local papers have taken a savaging in recent years. It’s such a bad thing for society and communities.
	6:51pm chris: and called them the fourth estate! you can not have democracy without free press. full. stop.
	6:51pm Mark Hurst: @WR yes but wait 'til you see #6. it will shock you
	6:52pm ultradamno: I don't like hearing about there being "a lot to unpack" either.
	6:53pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Negative Entertainment - wow.
	6:53pm chris: and i know its not a political show, but goddamnit, the major corporations we call republican and democratic parties are the enablers of this corruption.
	6:55pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Socialism for the rich - rugged individualism for the poor. - Martin King
	🤖 6:55pm Handy Haversack: Thanks for today's insights, Mark! Thanks, Skeleton Olivia, too.
	6:55pm ultradamno: Wow, those are a lot of things I do not associate with marketing
	🤖 6:56pm Bas NL: Ahhh.. that was marketing 1.0?
	6:57pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Just this U.S. American ideology that what's good for Business is good for People.
	6:58pm ultradamno: I associate Hallmark with Santa sending a cute elf girl to embed in a family at risk of losing their belief in Christmas.
	6:58pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: It's nonsense. The Rich stay Rich & it has not trickled down - period.
	🤖 6:59pm Ken From Hyde Park: Thanks for watching the hearings, Mark. I think I would've given up after five minutes. Take care.
	6:59pm Carmichael: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 7:00pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark! Thanks Lisa!
	7:00pm Mark Hurst: The "Stop Hate for Profit" campaign is mostly marketers, all trying to resist Mark Zuckerberg. I was interested to see a top marketer look around, see Facebook's & Google's fraud, and look to a different path.
	7:00pm chris: thanks, Mark. feels good to rant for a bit. perseverance furthers.
	7:00pm P-90: I agree with LIsa McPherson: in the big picture the hearing this week was a sign of an incrementally change in how these companies are regarded in our culture.
	7:01pm melinda: thanks Mark
	7:01pm WR: I joined late, was there some info about how she came to have the op-ed piece published in Seattle Times vs. other media outlet?
	7:01pm Franco Twinkie: Right now I am making dots on a piece of paper with a pen. I know I could make my job a lot easier if I just downloaded some dots and called it a day, but the people who have a lock on digital dots are monsters from hell who want to hold me upside down by my feet and start shaking. Therefore I make my own dots, damn it!
	7:02pm Otis Fodder: Thanks Mark and Lisa.
	7:02pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Other week I posted about Billy Bragg's recent commentaries re Free Speech & Accountability - & how youth relate to new media in these terms. There is something positive there.
	7:02pm Mark Hurst: @WR Seattle Times piece linked at left. Good piece.
	7:03pm Otis Fodder: Connect those dots Franco! It's like peeling that onion, lots of layers.
	7:04pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: TY Mark & Lisa
	7:04pm WR: Yes, reading it but wondering if why that paper? She had prior relationship with them or ?
	7:04pm ultradamno: That IS how rappers are nowadays!
	7:04pm P-90: Thanks Mark (and Lisa)
	🤖 7:05pm Handy Haversack: Can't read Seattle Times with an ad blocker installed ...
	7:07pm WR: Yeah, Handy, becoming common on major sites if they detect an ad blocker. Another tech arms race.
	7:08pm WR: And thank you Mark for parsing so much and trying to keep us informed.
	7:10pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Mark! Thanks Lisa!
	7:10pm coelacanth∅: ...Thanks Olivia!

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