WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from January 11, 2021

Listener comments!
	6:00pm David in London: Evening Mark and all Technoids!
	6:01pm listener james from westwood: How do, Mark and all! ::puts breakables behind bar::
	🤖 6:01pm Handy Haversack: Mark and the Techyon Drives! Tech Gin poured. All we need is ... David, ultradamno, hey there!
	6:01pm Fuzzy: Good evening all!
	6:02pm David in London: Handy! Ultradamno!
	6:03pm luka: been thinkin about this show all weekend!!
	🤖 6:03pm tim from champaign (now washington): Hey Mark and Techtonic Youth!
	6:03pm melinda: howdy all!
	6:03pm melinda: @luka me too
	6:04pm David in London: Tim, Melinda, howdy.
	🤖 6:04pm DjLorraine: Hi peoples
	🤖 6:04pm tim from champaign (now washington): Hey David!
	🤖 6:04pm Ken From Hyde Park: Insurrection never! Techtonic forever!
	6:05pm melinda: who was murdered?
	6:05pm schlemiel: ...that cop murdered ashli babbitt
	6:05pm A n N: Yo
	6:06pm Listener Robert: They got somebody killed by the guards. Some other deaths resulted indirectly. But don't say they committed murder.
	6:06pm chris in the redwoods: hi, Mark and folks. thanks for talking about this today...
	6:06pm Morgan: hi all, hi mark
	6:07pm melinda: I knew about that but the phrasing suggested murder was planned and carried out as part of the insurrection. (I don't think it's been ruled a murder yet).
	6:07pm -Ken: Evening all! Ashli Babbitt was shot and killed by a cop, and a cop was killed with a fire extinguisher. Another rioter was trampled to death when she fell to the ground. Two other rioters, it's unclear, but the guy who supposedly "tased himself in the balls" did not in fact do that. He did die of a heart attack but it's unknown what the details of his heart aattack were.
	6:07pm Ed: Spot on Mark. Big Tech's social Media's echo chambers and confirmation biases have led to death and dangerous delusions.
	6:07pm Larry O: So – big tech his right wing? Thanks for the warning, I’ll listen at another time
	🤖 6:07pm Bas NL: Hi Mark! Hi Ken! Peeps!
	6:07pm -Ken: ultrdamno, if you are going to be a dick, then please stay in the basement.
	6:08pm melinda: thanks for the update Ken
	6:08pm Morgan: they trampled rosanne boyland to death
	🤖 6:09pm PaulRobeson1920: Yeah! The ideals are good!
	6:09pm Dean: Arguably, police officer Sicknick's death was at least felony murder.
	6:10pm -Ken: The second cop who died killed himself after being severely injured by the rioters, but that's all that is known
	6:11pm seedfriend: RIP these folks - keep their families in your thoughts
	6:11pm Morgan: cant say you didnt say it was coming mark
	6:12pm drew: Once again, confusing technology with capitalism.
	6:12pm paddy in matawan: WOW @ken. I didn't know that. I wish more of these details are made public.
	6:13pm dale: i thought tonight might be a free speech/parler conversation, right or wrong...
	6:13pm Moo: Mark Were you ever fooled by the Josh Hawley and his obviously self serving lip service to reining in tech?
	6:13pm -Ken: We will probably get to that Dale
	🤖 6:14pm Handy Haversack: I have shared Mark's blog post on the culpability -- and profit taking -- of Big Tech on bloody coups and insurrections across the globe with many people. Read it if you haven't: creativegood.com...
	6:14pm Cooh John: Where is the call to abolish the electoral college? It does not serve democracy. The #1 job of a politician is to get elected and partisan politicians serve the party before citizens.
	6:14pm dale: flat earth conspiracy gave us that great song so i'm down with it.
	6:15pm -Ken: Thanks so much for posting Handy!
	6:15pm Ed: Mango Mussolini's coup crew spewing hate and violence frankly doesn't deserve a forum in a free democracy. It's a double edge sword of intolerance.
	6:15pm Listener Robert: Facebook doesn't deliberately take sides in any of these cases. They just go where the money is. If a government is authoritarian and allows Facebook to operate there only on those terms, those are the terms Facebook will comply with. It's not like they have a PREFERENCE for strongmen, they just get strongarmed on their way to $.
	6:15pm -Ken: Don't let 'em steal your mind, Dale
	6:15pm seedfriend: Thanks for sharing Handy
	6:15pm (another) Patrick in Hoboken: It’s a stretch to characterize Facebook as wanting these outcomes. It is more a wilful blindness to the impact of their products on political discourse surely
	6:15pm dale: ha ha!
	🤖 6:15pm Handy Haversack: Ken, Mark can share the fun stories with you of what happens when I try to bring this stuff to the "Innovation" committee at work!
	6:15pm -Ken: Agreed Robert
	6:16pm Morgan: like every rat who’s jumping ship right now
	6:16pm Yes: Thank you mark
	6:17pm Dean: Related: Being extremely skeptical of mainstream news reporting, I wondered why so often I was reading Trump had "incited" the riot, yet very little concrete evidence would appear in stories reporting as much. It would just go without saying, which is irresponsible reporting. Some stories characterized Trump's failure to call off the rioters as incitement. That's a stretch, legally speaking. But here in WaPo is a very helpful red-lined transcript of his speech, noting where Trump's statements and rhetoric might support a finding of incitement to imminent lawless action: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/interactive/2021/annotated-trump-speech-jan-6-capitol/?itid=hp-top-table-main-0106
	6:17pm dale: was listening to rudy guilani on wabc and he said this is all the democrats fault and they are close to nazi's. the pot calling the kettle black!
	🤖 6:18pm Handy Haversack: No, I think Facebook knows that hate speech can drive profit and so they encourage it. There is no extent to which they are neutral. Foment = profit, so they go with foment consciously and actively. It is baked into the business model. So, yes, I think you can say the prefer totalitarianism.
	6:18pm Jersey: Yeah dale, I thought parler being taken down by amazon would be the topic, too. Or even better, Rigged Elections...
	6:18pm Moo: Parler. Rebekah Mercer funded it. The privacy and bad code mad it a no go. Prosobiack is a dirtbag. It’s denizens omg insane and always ruthless. And echo. Wtf Let Amazon lawyer them to death. Vile
	6:19pm Moo: Parler. Ants in an oligarch kids mason jar Shake shake shake Poison
	6:19pm ?: Thank you Mark!
	6:20pm dale: i can't wait for the animal skin guy halloween costumes on backwoods kids come october.
	6:20pm adampsyche: yeah was hoping to get a win for deplatforming Parler
	6:20pm Ed: Hey ken. on an unrelated note. I've been having problems trying to register on the site. is it disabled?
	6:21pm -Ken: @Dean- weeks before he said "Proud Boys, stand down and stand by." Take that, and then add what he said out of his mouth on 1/6 and draw your own conclusions
	6:21pm wenzo llc.: preach MH!
	6:21pm Fuzzy: Parler was a nice honeypot for attracting the Qanon Trump goobers -- the serious organized insurrectionists are using Signal and Gab and such.
	6:21pm melinda: busted Ken
	🤖 6:21pm Handy Haversack: These are PR moves by Amazon, Twitter, et al. Their culpability is undiminished.
	6:21pm paddy in matawan: Should the Internet have some form of free speech? If so how?
	6:22pm schlemiel: @dale backwoods kids is my favorite brand of cigarillos
	🤖 6:22pm Folsom: are we going to talk about google unionizing?
	6:22pm listener james from westwood: Ken was saying "Boo-urns"
	6:22pm Listener Robert: Handy H., totalitarianism doesn't particularly encourage hate speech. What totalitarians foment is ONE-SIDED speech -- their side. If you say you hate THEM, they don't allow that. You get as much "I hate your guts" sentiment in free societies as unfree ones, maybe more.
	🤖 6:22pm Susan & Bryan: RIGHT ON! Mark you are the best. Thank you always.
	6:22pm space_cadet: @Mark I'm interested in what you think about how Apple/Google/Amazon have responded to Parler as well as your thoughts about Parler's suit against Amazon and its citation of anti-trust laws against Amazon/Twitter?
	6:22pm Cooh John: You are right, Handy.
	6:23pm Dean: I'm comfortable drawing my own conclusions, for sure, but my conclusions are mere opinions, legally speaking. I worry when the reporting fails to explicitly connect dots that must be connected to support state prosecutorial action. And watch it with "treason," as it has a specific constitutional provision: "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court."
	6:23pm HyperDose: VPNs are a necessity these days
	6:24pm Moo: Almost two wrongs make a right logic Ken Nope. One wrong. Toxic trump can publish elsewhere
	🤖 6:24pm Webhamster Henry: You could always use OpenDNS to block whatever you like. Of course that would just be only until you figure out you could use another DNS server.
	🤖 6:24pm Ken From Hyde Park: The old "two wrongs make a right" ploy, eh?
	6:24pm Jersey: Adampsyche: you used to be at Dell Computers long ago?
	6:24pm seedfriend: Hawley is getting cancelled
	6:24pm adampsyche: Jersey no, hilariously Gateway in Union NJ.
	🤖 6:24pm Ken From Hyde Park: (what Moo said)
	6:25pm Marci: @Mark - You had mentioned that the incoming Biden admin has several Big Tech execs in it. Do you think the offer will be re-neged now? (I kinda doubt it)
	6:25pm Moo: Owe me a beer kfhp
	6:25pm Fuzzy: Simon and Schuster are a private company -- they don't have to do business with you if they don't want to. Self-publish if you really need to get that book out, Josh!
	6:25pm melinda: @Dean agree that 'treason' should be used cautiously
	6:25pm Jersey: Mark, are you for or against censorship?
	6:26pm adampsyche: I give credit to Google for their open dns that lets people circumvent the efforts of nefarious nation states and ISPs
	6:26pm melinda: Everyone should have seen something like this coming
	6:26pm Dean: "What the hell does that mean?," unfortunately, has been the reasonable refrain after every other Trump utterance.
	6:26pm Jersey: That's what I meant Adam Gateway, lol!
	6:26pm paddy in matawan: But should the Internet have some form of mass free speech? Pretty sure nothing is banned on 4chan but it's not mainstream enough.
	6:27pm chris in the redwoods: can we call it censorship when a private company restricts something? i say no. though as posted above, it may be an antitrust or anti-competition practice. isn't censorship something that happens only at a governmental level?
	6:27pm dale: trump is a blowhard. those people made their own choices. did he incite a riot? i don't know, but he learned from roy cohn how to control people very well.
	6:27pm Moo: I’m waiting for one person to point out the trump rally speech itself It never once mentioned anyone other than trump hisself And they think he’s for them
	6:27pm Jersey: I remember your unique adampsyche name
	🤖 6:27pm Folsom: don't forget the gallows!
	6:28pm adampsyche: you can have a degree of free speech but platforms are under no obligation to host it. they can start a chain letter via USPS
	6:28pm dale: yeah, and the camp aushwitz tee shirts from hot topic.
	6:29pm HyperDose: @adampsyche I'd use CloudFare's DNS over Google's
	6:29pm northguineahills: Colin Powell said he's no longer GOP....
	6:29pm Fuzzy: Profiles in Courage.
	6:29pm seedfriend: Capitalism is American exceptionaliam
	🤖 6:29pm Webhamster Henry: Homeland Security hahahahahahaha P.S. hahahaha
	6:29pm schlemiel: "leave the party" vs. pass out with shoes on
	🤖 6:29pm Ken From Hyde Park: For all we know, Russian agents could've been in that group and planted network surveillance devices in the capitol.
	6:29pm adampsyche: kudos to cloudflare
	6:29pm paddy in matawan: I think there is a lot of freedom on Discord as well.
	🤖 6:29pm Bas NL: To me the Capitol raid looked like an enactment of a Hollywood blockbuster. You enter the cinema, enjoy one and a half hours of mayhem and violence and then you go home again.
	6:29pm Dean: You can call it censorship, but you can't take the next step and leverage the legal system to address violations. (I assume the same kind of linguistic squishiness could apply to "treason." Call somebody who betrays you a traitor, fine. But that isn't treason in the legal sense.)
	6:29pm Moo: DHS Chad Wolff already legally exceeded his not appointed by the senate charter Mitch too busy minting justices
	6:29pm Ed: Remember the good old days when Politics only had radio, TV and Newspapers for their bully pulpit? And of course it limited their ability to reach the really crazy people because those folks avoided those medias. Now we have internet newsfeeds customized to prop up anyone's delusion! eesh.
	6:30pm adampsyche: I run a Pi Hole at home to block ads so I guess I'm kinda a nefarious nation state myself
	6:30pm Fredericks: I give Ken a lot of credit for saying he wanted Trump to be elected so we could watch the Republican party destroy itself.
	6:30pm NikiA: re: censorship etc - Trump has a press room in the White House. he can talk to the global press anytime he wants. there is no universe in which he is censored.
	🤖 6:30pm Folsom: Mark needs to play B-52's Private Idaho
	6:30pm Moo: Ed nailed it. Yep
	6:30pm chris in the redwoods: good point, Dean. thanks.
	6:31pm Moo: The portable device as force multiplier for shithead
	6:32pm Crudbringer: Right, all this internet/tech platform/infrastructure stuff is privately held - so it's not censorship in the legal sense. See also Mark Cuban's explanation to Josh Hawley.
	6:32pm HyperDose: @Fredericks Ken can be beautifully poetic at times
	6:33pm adampsyche: I thought that YT took the orange man down
	6:33pm Greg from ZONE 5: Evening, Mark & Ken & all!
	6:34pm Ed: monopoly of any media is always a bad thing. Look at Hearst using newspapers to influence the Spanish America war.
	6:34pm adampsyche: damn cloudflare has 1.1.1.1! that's dope
	6:34pm Fredericks: What's the conspiracy?
	6:35pm Crudbringer: Disagree @ig. This show sounds... just like it always sounds. Nothing weird or conspiratorial. Just dissecting the perfectly foreseeable (and, as Hurst pointed out, already foreseen) consequences of no true public sphere. Everything is a private mall. Hearst papers are an apt comparison.
	6:35pm Dean: Dang, and all this time I thought that they had the decency at least to pronounce it as French, PAR-lay.
	6:35pm dale: the conspiracy is that trumps win was stolen.
	6:35pm Carmichael: Hi folks, late to the party. I guess ultra got zapped.
	6:36pm Dean: Recall that SPLC was identifying increased numbers of these groups during Obama's administration.
	🤖 6:36pm Webhamster Henry: The difference is that Twitter shut down Trumpism by their own order and Parler is being shut down by Amazon Web Service for violating their terms of service (which, again, could have happened months ago).
	6:36pm Crudbringer: Gotta drop for martial arts. Another excellent show - will be catching up from the archive.
	6:36pm Scott67: Don't forget Murdoch & Religious Right, propegate Trump poison as gospel.
	🤖 6:36pm Handy Haversack: Go get 'em, Crudbringer!
	🤖 6:37pm tim from champaign (now washington): What's a red diaper baby?
	6:37pm Crudbringer: Kap khun krap.
	6:37pm dale: crud - hi karate is as close as i get.
	🤖 6:37pm Folsom: what happened to ultra?
	🤖 6:38pm Webhamster Henry: @Tim brought up in a strong left-wing family
	6:38pm Ed: Mark is right the creeps will crawl back into their hole. But now the NSA and FBI have more tech to track the creeps. So I guess that's a good thing? maybe? (hands thrown up in air.)
	6:39pm HyperDose: Animal Ken Guy, we salute you
	🤖 6:39pm Handy Haversack: Not sure you're clear on what hate speech is, Listener Robert.
	6:39pm Jersey: I wish Mark would make it clear: For or Against Censorship?
	6:39pm melinda: @Ed right?
	🤖 6:39pm Webhamster Henry: @Tim back then a "Red" or a Pinko" was a communist.
	6:39pm Carmichael: Animal Skin Guy is now in a federal gated community.
	🤖 6:39pm tim from champaign (now washington): Got it, Thanks, Webmaster.
	6:39pm adampsyche: gahh YouTube did keep the pee man's account.
	6:40pm melinda: Hate speech isn't a legal concept
	6:40pm Carmichael: The idiots actually filmed themselves committing crimes, and then they posted them to Facebook.
	6:40pm melinda: @Ken me too
	🤖 6:40pm Webhamster Henry: The colorful cosplayers wandering around the mostly empty Capitol halls contrast with the extremely violent crowds trying to push their way in past the police downstairs.
	6:40pm Listener Robert: Well, Handy, I was construing "hate speech" broadly as words in anger. Though I know there are those who construe it even more broadly as any disagreement!
	6:40pm luca: there's a lot of space left on vk.com
	6:40pm Ed: @melinda I guess like the SCOTUS said years ago, freedom of speech has limits in a democracy such as ours.
	🤖 6:42pm Webhamster Henry: Facebook cannot snuff out my good ol 96Kbps modem based BBS system.
	6:42pm The Butterman: If they take down WFMU, I have full confidence that Ken and others will just stand outside the studio and yell things like, “Corn Weenie, goat noises, Neu, Khlam, wing, and something about Krampus!” At least I hope that would happen. I’d still donate to hear that.
	🤖 6:42pm Bas NL: Mmm.. maybe we should introduce a second internet so you can sign up to the one you don't hate?
	6:42pm Fuzzy: Can I play Legend Of the Red Dragon, WH?
	6:43pm polly: why hasn't domestic terrorism been defined and addressed under federal law?
	🤖 6:43pm Webhamster Henry: @Fuzzy Better Dead than Red™
	6:43pm Carmichael: You can definitely play Frogger, Fuzzy.
	6:43pm Fuzzy: Frogger rules!
	6:43pm steveo: I believe that the insane branch of the Republican Party (think they) are behaving rationally in that they need the Trumpist voters in order to personally remain in power.
	6:44pm melinda: I didn't know you could retroactively impeach. cool.
	6:44pm adampsyche: my social network is a text file in my desktop
	🤖 6:44pm Webhamster Henry: Can we impeach George W. Bush?
	6:44pm A n N: His library
	6:44pm Dean: Precisely, Mark. The outrage is fueling imprudent policy. Compare 9/11. We have paid for going on twenty years for bad policy that snuffs civil liberties due to the knee-jerk reaction to that tragedy. The prospect of a "domestic terrorism" federal law now is horrifying
	🤖 6:44pm Handy Haversack: It is dark. We are all likely to be eaten by a grue.
	6:44pm Moo: These services depend on the users intention We each use them our way. I’ve been banned enough times to see it’s only the algorithms being absolute and truly vile content marches along The reset button goes to media ownership in general But damn straight Ken Impeachment now freezes his power Conviction Priceless
	🤖 6:44pm Webhamster Henry: You can't impeach the Trump Kidz though!
	6:45pm Carmichael: We could impeach Andrew Johnson again!
	6:45pm Ed: --although as an artist who's work tends to PO some folks now and then it does give me the willys with any talk about censorship. Like take Facebook and who their "censors" are: usually folks that aren't in the US but in the Phillipines, who have a whole different skew on free speech.
	6:45pm melinda: @Dean 9/11 should have been a lesson in not knee-jerking
	6:45pm Fuzzy: Turn on lamp.
	🤖 6:46pm Webhamster Henry: If Trump had female nipples in his posts, he would have been offa Facebook right away!
	🤖 6:46pm Handy Haversack: Here's hoping, Fuzzy.
	🤖 6:46pm Ken From Hyde Park: They may wait until after the new administrations first 100 days.
	6:46pm Dean: Amen, @melinda. Instead, it is a lesson in how to play with outrage.
	🤖 6:47pm Webhamster Henry: Live by the social net, die by the social net.
	6:47pm melinda: Yes to not celebrating the surveillance state!
	6:47pm Moo: Animal skin guy on black velvet
	6:47pm northguineahills: There were two zip-tie guys....
	6:47pm HyperDose: Hanging by one arm guy thought he was in a Mission Impossible movie 😂
	6:47pm Carmichael: Animal guy lives with the Feds now.
	6:47pm melinda: Elizabeth from Knoxville!
	6:47pm northguineahills: first zip-tie guy also lived w/ his mom.
	🤖 6:47pm Folsom: I'm not sure Trump loses secret service protection after impeachment, he does lose the other stuff though
	🤖 6:48pm Webhamster Henry: They literally thought they would succeed, in which case they would have been lauded online.
	6:48pm HyperDose: Maced for trying to force entry into a government building...who would have thought?!
	6:48pm Marci: Mace Gal was using an onion actually
	6:48pm wenzo llc.: lol
	6:48pm Ed: I like that many of the Orange Caesar Julius crew got their butts tossed on the no-fly list.
	6:48pm GC in Oakland CA: Matt Stoller’s latest article: directly germane. https://mattstoller.substack.com/p/a-simple-thing-biden-can-do-to-reset?
	🤖 6:49pm Ken From Hyde Park: "My tax dollars paid for that mace!"
	🤖 6:49pm Folsom: you can play the Ahnold response, that wasn't bad
	6:49pm Yes: lol
	6:49pm Dave Miss: Good show.
	6:49pm northguineahills: reminds me, is the new animaniacs any good?
	6:50pm Carmichael: Yeah, what the hell was Conan the Republican talking about?
	6:50pm adampsyche: wait new Animaniacs what
	6:50pm dale: there were 3 levels of security to get into my ad job in midtown manhattan. why isn't there more for our capitol?
	6:50pm Listener Robert: Webhamster, they did have greater success than the Yippies. Or the Confederates, when you consider they never managed to plant a rebel flag in the Capitol!
	6:50pm chris in the redwoods: Carm, nazi's and sword making. i enjoyed it, actually.
	🤖 6:50pm Webhamster Henry: The Onion towel thing is a little disputed. While there's a story that people use onions to help you cry out the mace, it could have been ice, it could have been some other anti-mace thing. but: #oniontowel
	🤖 6:50pm PaulRobeson1920: “If Trump had female nipples in his posts, he would have been offa Facebook right away!” Yeah! Yeah!
	6:50pm adampsyche: PAUL
	6:51pm Fuzzy: Kill troll with brittle sword.
	🤖 6:51pm PaulRobeson1920: Adam : )
	6:51pm Jersey: I don't think a show about technology should be making fun of people who actually leave their basement to protest what they believe in, unlike keyboard warriors
	🤖 6:51pm Folsom: ahnold was talking about his dad in austria after ww2
	🤖 6:51pm Webhamster Henry: I heard those C-SPAN calls for 8 hours or so.
	6:52pm Carmichael: She feels betrayed. Boo hoo.
	6:52pm adampsyche: I wanna show on the Alphabet union or was that covered
	🤖 6:52pm Handy Haversack: Jersey, there has been zero discussion of protestors.
	6:52pm Moo: GREATEST show ever gentlemen
	6:52pm Wild Cheddar: Boise is southern Idaho not northern
	6:53pm Jersey: Handy, you must have missed the clip they just played. And then laughed about.
	6:54pm Dean: "Unique"? That is entirely the wrong threshold question. If you commit to relying on first principles, pace Mark, then you don't start the conversation by making distinctions.
	🤖 6:54pm Webhamster Henry: This kind of riot .. we promoted and promulgated all over South and Central America.
	6:54pm HyperDose: @Handy everyone is too stoned
	6:54pm northguineahills: @adam: Yep, new animaniacs....!!!
	6:54pm Carmichael: Not protestors, Jersey. Maniacal hate spreaders.
	🤖 6:54pm tim from champaign (now washington): Bain dead people among WFMU staff? Did I hear that incorrectly?
	6:54pm northguineahills: Thanks Mark and Ken!
	🤖 6:54pm Folsom: @Jersey those are insurrectionists, not protesters
	6:54pm Moo: Ken has nailed cage central point Plus a lot of dumbasses that think they brite
	6:55pm Rory: Great show, just wanted to chime in and say I’ve been warning and warning people for years about American fascism. Got laughed at years....
	🤖 6:55pm Webhamster Henry: Check out this analysis of Qanon from a game designer standpoint: medium.com...
	6:55pm Tommy in Neversink: Trump supporters on the FMU staff...WOW I had no idea
	6:55pm castor: What Wednesday reminded me of was the civil war draft riots, not an attack on the capitol but it almost burned down new york city, and was similarly fomented by the rich.
	6:55pm Moo: Spell bad
	🤖 6:55pm PaulRobeson1920: Ok
	6:55pm Jersey: The people who went to Washington, for what they believe in, were protesting a Rigged Election
	6:55pm Ed: Great show Ken and Mark. BTW anyone else have not only Zoom Fatigue but also social Media fatigue? Seriously, after the 20th, I think I'll finish off leaving the rest of my social media accounts.--unless of course the Trumpaneez cause a civil war. Agg the dilemmas.
	🤖 6:55pm Handy Haversack: Yeah. Sure. You get it, Jersey. You're the real hero here. Unreal. Thanks, Mark. Thanks, Ken. What a nightmare. I will say what I say on this show often -- relying on capitalism to solve the absolute evil created by capitalism is unlikely to ever work. Rory, you know what's what, my friend! Good to see you!
	🤖 6:56pm PaulRobeson1920: Gonna walk down to Washington!
	6:56pm Carmichael: I hope you don't agree with that idea, Jersey.
	6:56pm Tommy in Neversink: It's not like the civil war rights . Those people actually had a reason to riot
	6:56pm adampsyche: I'll be in DC on the 22nd passing through, hope it's still there
	🤖 6:56pm Ken From Hyde Park: Last Wednesday was merely a dress rehearsal for future events, sadly.
	6:57pm carrots: Great show!! Bravo!!!
	6:57pm dale: someone just posted a meme (baloney, i know) about how animal skin man is in detention and hasn't eaten because they won't serve him organic meals.
	6:57pm Yes: :) thanks guys
	6:57pm castor: @tommy, did they have a reason to kill innocent black people?
	6:57pm HyperDose: Ken needs to start his own social network
	🤖 6:57pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark & Ken!
	6:57pm Fuzzy: Thanks Mark, and Ken!
	🤖 6:57pm Webhamster Henry: The more moderate Republicans "Need the eggs", to quote Woody Allen.
	🤖 6:57pm Handy Haversack: creativegood.com...
	6:57pm adampsyche: KenSpace
	6:58pm Jersey: I still don't know if Mark supports Censorship??
	6:58pm melinda: Thanks Mark and Ken!
	6:58pm chris in the redwoods: thanks, Mark and Ken!
	6:58pm HyperDose: Animal Skin guy will be the spokesman
	🤖 6:58pm PaulRobeson1920: January 1968 - youtu.be... - “We’re gonna walk the streets of washington!” Jim Collier and Rev Fredrick Douglass Kirkpatrick!!
	6:58pm ?: two cops were killed? thought it was one.
	6:58pm Carmichael: Thanks, fellers.
	6:58pm watchpocket: Great discussion, gentlemen!
	6:58pm listener 126464: Thanks Mark, thanks Ken.
	6:58pm Scott67: Thanks guys! ❤
	6:58pm Dean: Because if you operate according to a notion that last week was "unique," your remedy will nevertheless operate by analogy as precedent to undermine the very principles you once claimed to hold.
	6:58pm castor: thanks mark and ken!
	6:59pm schlemiel: 230...
	🤖 6:59pm Handy Haversack: Greatest radio station in the world!
	🤖 6:59pm PaulRobeson1920: Thanks Ken and Mark! Peace and Love one and all!
	🤖 6:59pm Ken From Hyde Park: Animal Skin Guy will gnaw his hands off to escape the cuffs.
	6:59pm Dave in St Albans UK: Thank you. Great stuff.
	🤖 6:59pm Webhamster Henry: Thanks Ken & Mark, fulfilling your public service mandate!
	6:59pm melinda: @Handy you speak the truth
	7:00pm HyperDose: And for keeping it LEGAL!
	7:00pm Jersey: Littleraysunshine adampsyche
	7:00pm polly: kfhp -that wouldnt be an organic meal though
	🤖 7:01pm Webhamster Henry: "Those rioters look kind of low-class" -- Pres. Trump , thinking of the optics and ratings.
	7:01pm dale: i went to burlington coat factory and had my FMU acrylic cap on. guy says FMU! i ask what he listens to and he says he likes their arts discussions. i walk away shaking my head.

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from January 11, 2021

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January 11, 2021: Big Tech and insurrection - discussing with station manager Ken Freedman

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• Twitter's Trump Ban Deemed Necessary, Derided as Long Overdue (by Sarah Frier in Bloomberg News, Jan. 9, 2021). Quoting former Facebook employee Yael Eisenstat: "Inciting your followers to engage in insurrection is a high form of treason and allowing your platform to be used for that purpose makes you complicit."

• The bright side of insurrection (by Mark Hurst on creativegood.com, Jan. 7, 2021)

• The algorithmic amplifier fueling corruption in Silicon Valley (by Mark Hurst, May 29, 2020): "Twitter depends on Trump to supply the garbage that fuels the business model. The ethical decision here for Twitter is obvious: if someone is posting violent, libelous, and otherwise illegal material, shut down the account. Twitter knows how to do it, they have done it in some past cases, and Twitter's own terms-of-service claims that it will do it. But they can't, here: the president's toxic spew is too valuable to the business. The corruption at the heart of Silicon Valley, the algorithmic amplifier, relies on Trump. It's a match made in hell."

• Donald Trump being banned from social media is a dangerous distraction (by Matt Stoller and Sarah Miller in the Guardian, Jan. 11, 2021): "Whatever one thinks of stopping Trump fomenting violence by limiting his ability to communicate, the ability of democratically unaccountable monopolies with extraordinary control over communications infrastructure, like Facebook and Google, YouTube's parent company, to silence political speech is exceptionally dangerous. It also sidesteps the underlying problem – that it's their dominance and business model that promotes conspiratorial, fake and violent content to millions."

• My thread on repeated criminal behavior by Twitter and Facebook leadership (Jan. 8, 2021)

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Listener comments!
	6:00pm David in London: Evening Mark and all Technoids!
	6:01pm listener james from westwood: How do, Mark and all! ::puts breakables behind bar::
	🤖 6:01pm Handy Haversack: Mark and the Techyon Drives! Tech Gin poured. All we need is ... David, ultradamno, hey there!
	6:01pm Fuzzy: Good evening all!
	6:02pm David in London: Handy! Ultradamno!
	6:03pm luka: been thinkin about this show all weekend!!
	🤖 6:03pm tim from champaign (now washington): Hey Mark and Techtonic Youth!
	6:03pm melinda: howdy all!
	6:03pm melinda: @luka me too
	6:04pm David in London: Tim, Melinda, howdy.
	🤖 6:04pm DjLorraine: Hi peoples
	🤖 6:04pm tim from champaign (now washington): Hey David!
	🤖 6:04pm Ken From Hyde Park: Insurrection never! Techtonic forever!
	6:05pm melinda: who was murdered?
	6:05pm schlemiel: ...that cop murdered ashli babbitt
	6:05pm A n N: Yo
	6:06pm Listener Robert: They got somebody killed by the guards. Some other deaths resulted indirectly. But don't say they committed murder.
	6:06pm chris in the redwoods: hi, Mark and folks. thanks for talking about this today...
	6:06pm Morgan: hi all, hi mark
	6:07pm melinda: I knew about that but the phrasing suggested murder was planned and carried out as part of the insurrection. (I don't think it's been ruled a murder yet).
	6:07pm -Ken: Evening all! Ashli Babbitt was shot and killed by a cop, and a cop was killed with a fire extinguisher. Another rioter was trampled to death when she fell to the ground. Two other rioters, it's unclear, but the guy who supposedly "tased himself in the balls" did not in fact do that. He did die of a heart attack but it's unknown what the details of his heart aattack were.
	6:07pm Ed: Spot on Mark. Big Tech's social Media's echo chambers and confirmation biases have led to death and dangerous delusions.
	6:07pm Larry O: So – big tech his right wing? Thanks for the warning, I’ll listen at another time
	🤖 6:07pm Bas NL: Hi Mark! Hi Ken! Peeps!
	6:07pm -Ken: ultrdamno, if you are going to be a dick, then please stay in the basement.
	6:08pm melinda: thanks for the update Ken
	6:08pm Morgan: they trampled rosanne boyland to death
	🤖 6:09pm PaulRobeson1920: Yeah! The ideals are good!
	6:09pm Dean: Arguably, police officer Sicknick's death was at least felony murder.
	6:10pm -Ken: The second cop who died killed himself after being severely injured by the rioters, but that's all that is known
	6:11pm seedfriend: RIP these folks - keep their families in your thoughts
	6:11pm Morgan: cant say you didnt say it was coming mark
	6:12pm drew: Once again, confusing technology with capitalism.
	6:12pm paddy in matawan: WOW @ken. I didn't know that. I wish more of these details are made public.
	6:13pm dale: i thought tonight might be a free speech/parler conversation, right or wrong...
	6:13pm Moo: Mark Were you ever fooled by the Josh Hawley and his obviously self serving lip service to reining in tech?
	6:13pm -Ken: We will probably get to that Dale
	🤖 6:14pm Handy Haversack: I have shared Mark's blog post on the culpability -- and profit taking -- of Big Tech on bloody coups and insurrections across the globe with many people. Read it if you haven't: creativegood.com...
	6:14pm Cooh John: Where is the call to abolish the electoral college? It does not serve democracy. The #1 job of a politician is to get elected and partisan politicians serve the party before citizens.
	6:14pm dale: flat earth conspiracy gave us that great song so i'm down with it.
	6:15pm -Ken: Thanks so much for posting Handy!
	6:15pm Ed: Mango Mussolini's coup crew spewing hate and violence frankly doesn't deserve a forum in a free democracy. It's a double edge sword of intolerance.
	6:15pm Listener Robert: Facebook doesn't deliberately take sides in any of these cases. They just go where the money is. If a government is authoritarian and allows Facebook to operate there only on those terms, those are the terms Facebook will comply with. It's not like they have a PREFERENCE for strongmen, they just get strongarmed on their way to $.
	6:15pm -Ken: Don't let 'em steal your mind, Dale
	6:15pm seedfriend: Thanks for sharing Handy
	6:15pm (another) Patrick in Hoboken: It’s a stretch to characterize Facebook as wanting these outcomes. It is more a wilful blindness to the impact of their products on political discourse surely
	6:15pm dale: ha ha!
	🤖 6:15pm Handy Haversack: Ken, Mark can share the fun stories with you of what happens when I try to bring this stuff to the "Innovation" committee at work!
	6:15pm -Ken: Agreed Robert
	6:16pm Morgan: like every rat who’s jumping ship right now
	6:16pm Yes: Thank you mark
	6:17pm Dean: Related: Being extremely skeptical of mainstream news reporting, I wondered why so often I was reading Trump had "incited" the riot, yet very little concrete evidence would appear in stories reporting as much. It would just go without saying, which is irresponsible reporting. Some stories characterized Trump's failure to call off the rioters as incitement. That's a stretch, legally speaking. But here in WaPo is a very helpful red-lined transcript of his speech, noting where Trump's statements and rhetoric might support a finding of incitement to imminent lawless action: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/interactive/2021/annotated-trump-speech-jan-6-capitol/?itid=hp-top-table-main-0106
	6:17pm dale: was listening to rudy guilani on wabc and he said this is all the democrats fault and they are close to nazi's. the pot calling the kettle black!
	🤖 6:18pm Handy Haversack: No, I think Facebook knows that hate speech can drive profit and so they encourage it. There is no extent to which they are neutral. Foment = profit, so they go with foment consciously and actively. It is baked into the business model. So, yes, I think you can say the prefer totalitarianism.
	6:18pm Jersey: Yeah dale, I thought parler being taken down by amazon would be the topic, too. Or even better, Rigged Elections...
	6:18pm Moo: Parler. Rebekah Mercer funded it. The privacy and bad code mad it a no go. Prosobiack is a dirtbag. It’s denizens omg insane and always ruthless. And echo. Wtf Let Amazon lawyer them to death. Vile
	6:19pm Moo: Parler. Ants in an oligarch kids mason jar Shake shake shake Poison
	6:19pm ?: Thank you Mark!
	6:20pm dale: i can't wait for the animal skin guy halloween costumes on backwoods kids come october.
	6:20pm adampsyche: yeah was hoping to get a win for deplatforming Parler
	6:20pm Ed: Hey ken. on an unrelated note. I've been having problems trying to register on the site. is it disabled?
	6:21pm -Ken: @Dean- weeks before he said "Proud Boys, stand down and stand by." Take that, and then add what he said out of his mouth on 1/6 and draw your own conclusions
	6:21pm wenzo llc.: preach MH!
	6:21pm Fuzzy: Parler was a nice honeypot for attracting the Qanon Trump goobers -- the serious organized insurrectionists are using Signal and Gab and such.
	6:21pm melinda: busted Ken
	🤖 6:21pm Handy Haversack: These are PR moves by Amazon, Twitter, et al. Their culpability is undiminished.
	6:21pm paddy in matawan: Should the Internet have some form of free speech? If so how?
	6:22pm schlemiel: @dale backwoods kids is my favorite brand of cigarillos
	🤖 6:22pm Folsom: are we going to talk about google unionizing?
	6:22pm listener james from westwood: Ken was saying "Boo-urns"
	6:22pm Listener Robert: Handy H., totalitarianism doesn't particularly encourage hate speech. What totalitarians foment is ONE-SIDED speech -- their side. If you say you hate THEM, they don't allow that. You get as much "I hate your guts" sentiment in free societies as unfree ones, maybe more.
	🤖 6:22pm Susan & Bryan: RIGHT ON! Mark you are the best. Thank you always.
	6:22pm space_cadet: @Mark I'm interested in what you think about how Apple/Google/Amazon have responded to Parler as well as your thoughts about Parler's suit against Amazon and its citation of anti-trust laws against Amazon/Twitter?
	6:22pm Cooh John: You are right, Handy.
	6:23pm Dean: I'm comfortable drawing my own conclusions, for sure, but my conclusions are mere opinions, legally speaking. I worry when the reporting fails to explicitly connect dots that must be connected to support state prosecutorial action. And watch it with "treason," as it has a specific constitutional provision: "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court."
	6:23pm HyperDose: VPNs are a necessity these days
	6:24pm Moo: Almost two wrongs make a right logic Ken Nope. One wrong. Toxic trump can publish elsewhere
	🤖 6:24pm Webhamster Henry: You could always use OpenDNS to block whatever you like. Of course that would just be only until you figure out you could use another DNS server.
	🤖 6:24pm Ken From Hyde Park: The old "two wrongs make a right" ploy, eh?
	6:24pm Jersey: Adampsyche: you used to be at Dell Computers long ago?
	6:24pm seedfriend: Hawley is getting cancelled
	6:24pm adampsyche: Jersey no, hilariously Gateway in Union NJ.
	🤖 6:24pm Ken From Hyde Park: (what Moo said)
	6:25pm Marci: @Mark - You had mentioned that the incoming Biden admin has several Big Tech execs in it. Do you think the offer will be re-neged now? (I kinda doubt it)
	6:25pm Moo: Owe me a beer kfhp
	6:25pm Fuzzy: Simon and Schuster are a private company -- they don't have to do business with you if they don't want to. Self-publish if you really need to get that book out, Josh!
	6:25pm melinda: @Dean agree that 'treason' should be used cautiously
	6:25pm Jersey: Mark, are you for or against censorship?
	6:26pm adampsyche: I give credit to Google for their open dns that lets people circumvent the efforts of nefarious nation states and ISPs
	6:26pm melinda: Everyone should have seen something like this coming
	6:26pm Dean: "What the hell does that mean?," unfortunately, has been the reasonable refrain after every other Trump utterance.
	6:26pm Jersey: That's what I meant Adam Gateway, lol!
	6:26pm paddy in matawan: But should the Internet have some form of mass free speech? Pretty sure nothing is banned on 4chan but it's not mainstream enough.
	6:27pm chris in the redwoods: can we call it censorship when a private company restricts something? i say no. though as posted above, it may be an antitrust or anti-competition practice. isn't censorship something that happens only at a governmental level?
	6:27pm dale: trump is a blowhard. those people made their own choices. did he incite a riot? i don't know, but he learned from roy cohn how to control people very well.
	6:27pm Moo: I’m waiting for one person to point out the trump rally speech itself It never once mentioned anyone other than trump hisself And they think he’s for them
	6:27pm Jersey: I remember your unique adampsyche name
	🤖 6:27pm Folsom: don't forget the gallows!
	6:28pm adampsyche: you can have a degree of free speech but platforms are under no obligation to host it. they can start a chain letter via USPS
	6:28pm dale: yeah, and the camp aushwitz tee shirts from hot topic.
	6:29pm HyperDose: @adampsyche I'd use CloudFare's DNS over Google's
	6:29pm northguineahills: Colin Powell said he's no longer GOP....
	6:29pm Fuzzy: Profiles in Courage.
	6:29pm seedfriend: Capitalism is American exceptionaliam
	🤖 6:29pm Webhamster Henry: Homeland Security hahahahahahaha P.S. hahahaha
	6:29pm schlemiel: "leave the party" vs. pass out with shoes on
	🤖 6:29pm Ken From Hyde Park: For all we know, Russian agents could've been in that group and planted network surveillance devices in the capitol.
	6:29pm adampsyche: kudos to cloudflare
	6:29pm paddy in matawan: I think there is a lot of freedom on Discord as well.
	🤖 6:29pm Bas NL: To me the Capitol raid looked like an enactment of a Hollywood blockbuster. You enter the cinema, enjoy one and a half hours of mayhem and violence and then you go home again.
	6:29pm Dean: You can call it censorship, but you can't take the next step and leverage the legal system to address violations. (I assume the same kind of linguistic squishiness could apply to "treason." Call somebody who betrays you a traitor, fine. But that isn't treason in the legal sense.)
	6:29pm Moo: DHS Chad Wolff already legally exceeded his not appointed by the senate charter Mitch too busy minting justices
	6:29pm Ed: Remember the good old days when Politics only had radio, TV and Newspapers for their bully pulpit? And of course it limited their ability to reach the really crazy people because those folks avoided those medias. Now we have internet newsfeeds customized to prop up anyone's delusion! eesh.
	6:30pm adampsyche: I run a Pi Hole at home to block ads so I guess I'm kinda a nefarious nation state myself
	6:30pm Fredericks: I give Ken a lot of credit for saying he wanted Trump to be elected so we could watch the Republican party destroy itself.
	6:30pm NikiA: re: censorship etc - Trump has a press room in the White House. he can talk to the global press anytime he wants. there is no universe in which he is censored.
	🤖 6:30pm Folsom: Mark needs to play B-52's Private Idaho
	6:30pm Moo: Ed nailed it. Yep
	6:30pm chris in the redwoods: good point, Dean. thanks.
	6:31pm Moo: The portable device as force multiplier for shithead
	6:32pm Crudbringer: Right, all this internet/tech platform/infrastructure stuff is privately held - so it's not censorship in the legal sense. See also Mark Cuban's explanation to Josh Hawley.
	6:32pm HyperDose: @Fredericks Ken can be beautifully poetic at times
	6:33pm adampsyche: I thought that YT took the orange man down
	6:33pm Greg from ZONE 5: Evening, Mark & Ken & all!
	6:34pm Ed: monopoly of any media is always a bad thing. Look at Hearst using newspapers to influence the Spanish America war.
	6:34pm adampsyche: damn cloudflare has 1.1.1.1! that's dope
	6:34pm Fredericks: What's the conspiracy?
	6:35pm Crudbringer: Disagree @ig. This show sounds... just like it always sounds. Nothing weird or conspiratorial. Just dissecting the perfectly foreseeable (and, as Hurst pointed out, already foreseen) consequences of no true public sphere. Everything is a private mall. Hearst papers are an apt comparison.
	6:35pm Dean: Dang, and all this time I thought that they had the decency at least to pronounce it as French, PAR-lay.
	6:35pm dale: the conspiracy is that trumps win was stolen.
	6:35pm Carmichael: Hi folks, late to the party. I guess ultra got zapped.
	6:36pm Dean: Recall that SPLC was identifying increased numbers of these groups during Obama's administration.
	🤖 6:36pm Webhamster Henry: The difference is that Twitter shut down Trumpism by their own order and Parler is being shut down by Amazon Web Service for violating their terms of service (which, again, could have happened months ago).
	6:36pm Crudbringer: Gotta drop for martial arts. Another excellent show - will be catching up from the archive.
	6:36pm Scott67: Don't forget Murdoch & Religious Right, propegate Trump poison as gospel.
	🤖 6:36pm Handy Haversack: Go get 'em, Crudbringer!
	🤖 6:37pm tim from champaign (now washington): What's a red diaper baby?
	6:37pm Crudbringer: Kap khun krap.
	6:37pm dale: crud - hi karate is as close as i get.
	🤖 6:37pm Folsom: what happened to ultra?
	🤖 6:38pm Webhamster Henry: @Tim brought up in a strong left-wing family
	6:38pm Ed: Mark is right the creeps will crawl back into their hole. But now the NSA and FBI have more tech to track the creeps. So I guess that's a good thing? maybe? (hands thrown up in air.)
	6:39pm HyperDose: Animal Ken Guy, we salute you
	🤖 6:39pm Handy Haversack: Not sure you're clear on what hate speech is, Listener Robert.
	6:39pm Jersey: I wish Mark would make it clear: For or Against Censorship?
	6:39pm melinda: @Ed right?
	🤖 6:39pm Webhamster Henry: @Tim back then a "Red" or a Pinko" was a communist.
	6:39pm Carmichael: Animal Skin Guy is now in a federal gated community.
	🤖 6:39pm tim from champaign (now washington): Got it, Thanks, Webmaster.
	6:39pm adampsyche: gahh YouTube did keep the pee man's account.
	6:40pm melinda: Hate speech isn't a legal concept
	6:40pm Carmichael: The idiots actually filmed themselves committing crimes, and then they posted them to Facebook.
	6:40pm melinda: @Ken me too
	🤖 6:40pm Webhamster Henry: The colorful cosplayers wandering around the mostly empty Capitol halls contrast with the extremely violent crowds trying to push their way in past the police downstairs.
	6:40pm Listener Robert: Well, Handy, I was construing "hate speech" broadly as words in anger. Though I know there are those who construe it even more broadly as any disagreement!
	6:40pm luca: there's a lot of space left on vk.com
	6:40pm Ed: @melinda I guess like the SCOTUS said years ago, freedom of speech has limits in a democracy such as ours.
	🤖 6:42pm Webhamster Henry: Facebook cannot snuff out my good ol 96Kbps modem based BBS system.
	6:42pm The Butterman: If they take down WFMU, I have full confidence that Ken and others will just stand outside the studio and yell things like, “Corn Weenie, goat noises, Neu, Khlam, wing, and something about Krampus!” At least I hope that would happen. I’d still donate to hear that.
	🤖 6:42pm Bas NL: Mmm.. maybe we should introduce a second internet so you can sign up to the one you don't hate?
	6:42pm Fuzzy: Can I play Legend Of the Red Dragon, WH?
	6:43pm polly: why hasn't domestic terrorism been defined and addressed under federal law?
	🤖 6:43pm Webhamster Henry: @Fuzzy Better Dead than Red™
	6:43pm Carmichael: You can definitely play Frogger, Fuzzy.
	6:43pm Fuzzy: Frogger rules!
	6:43pm steveo: I believe that the insane branch of the Republican Party (think they) are behaving rationally in that they need the Trumpist voters in order to personally remain in power.
	6:44pm melinda: I didn't know you could retroactively impeach. cool.
	6:44pm adampsyche: my social network is a text file in my desktop
	🤖 6:44pm Webhamster Henry: Can we impeach George W. Bush?
	6:44pm A n N: His library
	6:44pm Dean: Precisely, Mark. The outrage is fueling imprudent policy. Compare 9/11. We have paid for going on twenty years for bad policy that snuffs civil liberties due to the knee-jerk reaction to that tragedy. The prospect of a "domestic terrorism" federal law now is horrifying
	🤖 6:44pm Handy Haversack: It is dark. We are all likely to be eaten by a grue.
	6:44pm Moo: These services depend on the users intention We each use them our way. I’ve been banned enough times to see it’s only the algorithms being absolute and truly vile content marches along The reset button goes to media ownership in general But damn straight Ken Impeachment now freezes his power Conviction Priceless
	🤖 6:44pm Webhamster Henry: You can't impeach the Trump Kidz though!
	6:45pm Carmichael: We could impeach Andrew Johnson again!
	6:45pm Ed: --although as an artist who's work tends to PO some folks now and then it does give me the willys with any talk about censorship. Like take Facebook and who their "censors" are: usually folks that aren't in the US but in the Phillipines, who have a whole different skew on free speech.
	6:45pm melinda: @Dean 9/11 should have been a lesson in not knee-jerking
	6:45pm Fuzzy: Turn on lamp.
	🤖 6:46pm Webhamster Henry: If Trump had female nipples in his posts, he would have been offa Facebook right away!
	🤖 6:46pm Handy Haversack: Here's hoping, Fuzzy.
	🤖 6:46pm Ken From Hyde Park: They may wait until after the new administrations first 100 days.
	6:46pm Dean: Amen, @melinda. Instead, it is a lesson in how to play with outrage.
	🤖 6:47pm Webhamster Henry: Live by the social net, die by the social net.
	6:47pm melinda: Yes to not celebrating the surveillance state!
	6:47pm Moo: Animal skin guy on black velvet
	6:47pm northguineahills: There were two zip-tie guys....
	6:47pm HyperDose: Hanging by one arm guy thought he was in a Mission Impossible movie 😂
	6:47pm Carmichael: Animal guy lives with the Feds now.
	6:47pm melinda: Elizabeth from Knoxville!
	6:47pm northguineahills: first zip-tie guy also lived w/ his mom.
	🤖 6:47pm Folsom: I'm not sure Trump loses secret service protection after impeachment, he does lose the other stuff though
	🤖 6:48pm Webhamster Henry: They literally thought they would succeed, in which case they would have been lauded online.
	6:48pm HyperDose: Maced for trying to force entry into a government building...who would have thought?!
	6:48pm Marci: Mace Gal was using an onion actually
	6:48pm wenzo llc.: lol
	6:48pm Ed: I like that many of the Orange Caesar Julius crew got their butts tossed on the no-fly list.
	6:48pm GC in Oakland CA: Matt Stoller’s latest article: directly germane. https://mattstoller.substack.com/p/a-simple-thing-biden-can-do-to-reset?
	🤖 6:49pm Ken From Hyde Park: "My tax dollars paid for that mace!"
	🤖 6:49pm Folsom: you can play the Ahnold response, that wasn't bad
	6:49pm Yes: lol
	6:49pm Dave Miss: Good show.
	6:49pm northguineahills: reminds me, is the new animaniacs any good?
	6:50pm Carmichael: Yeah, what the hell was Conan the Republican talking about?
	6:50pm adampsyche: wait new Animaniacs what
	6:50pm dale: there were 3 levels of security to get into my ad job in midtown manhattan. why isn't there more for our capitol?
	6:50pm Listener Robert: Webhamster, they did have greater success than the Yippies. Or the Confederates, when you consider they never managed to plant a rebel flag in the Capitol!
	6:50pm chris in the redwoods: Carm, nazi's and sword making. i enjoyed it, actually.
	🤖 6:50pm Webhamster Henry: The Onion towel thing is a little disputed. While there's a story that people use onions to help you cry out the mace, it could have been ice, it could have been some other anti-mace thing. but: #oniontowel
	🤖 6:50pm PaulRobeson1920: “If Trump had female nipples in his posts, he would have been offa Facebook right away!” Yeah! Yeah!
	6:50pm adampsyche: PAUL
	6:51pm Fuzzy: Kill troll with brittle sword.
	🤖 6:51pm PaulRobeson1920: Adam : )
	6:51pm Jersey: I don't think a show about technology should be making fun of people who actually leave their basement to protest what they believe in, unlike keyboard warriors
	🤖 6:51pm Folsom: ahnold was talking about his dad in austria after ww2
	🤖 6:51pm Webhamster Henry: I heard those C-SPAN calls for 8 hours or so.
	6:52pm Carmichael: She feels betrayed. Boo hoo.
	6:52pm adampsyche: I wanna show on the Alphabet union or was that covered
	🤖 6:52pm Handy Haversack: Jersey, there has been zero discussion of protestors.
	6:52pm Moo: GREATEST show ever gentlemen
	6:52pm Wild Cheddar: Boise is southern Idaho not northern
	6:53pm Jersey: Handy, you must have missed the clip they just played. And then laughed about.
	6:54pm Dean: "Unique"? That is entirely the wrong threshold question. If you commit to relying on first principles, pace Mark, then you don't start the conversation by making distinctions.
	🤖 6:54pm Webhamster Henry: This kind of riot .. we promoted and promulgated all over South and Central America.
	6:54pm HyperDose: @Handy everyone is too stoned
	6:54pm northguineahills: @adam: Yep, new animaniacs....!!!
	6:54pm Carmichael: Not protestors, Jersey. Maniacal hate spreaders.
	🤖 6:54pm tim from champaign (now washington): Bain dead people among WFMU staff? Did I hear that incorrectly?
	6:54pm northguineahills: Thanks Mark and Ken!
	🤖 6:54pm Folsom: @Jersey those are insurrectionists, not protesters
	6:54pm Moo: Ken has nailed cage central point Plus a lot of dumbasses that think they brite
	6:55pm Rory: Great show, just wanted to chime in and say I’ve been warning and warning people for years about American fascism. Got laughed at years....
	🤖 6:55pm Webhamster Henry: Check out this analysis of Qanon from a game designer standpoint: medium.com...
	6:55pm Tommy in Neversink: Trump supporters on the FMU staff...WOW I had no idea
	6:55pm castor: What Wednesday reminded me of was the civil war draft riots, not an attack on the capitol but it almost burned down new york city, and was similarly fomented by the rich.
	6:55pm Moo: Spell bad
	🤖 6:55pm PaulRobeson1920: Ok
	6:55pm Jersey: The people who went to Washington, for what they believe in, were protesting a Rigged Election
	6:55pm Ed: Great show Ken and Mark. BTW anyone else have not only Zoom Fatigue but also social Media fatigue? Seriously, after the 20th, I think I'll finish off leaving the rest of my social media accounts.--unless of course the Trumpaneez cause a civil war. Agg the dilemmas.
	🤖 6:55pm Handy Haversack: Yeah. Sure. You get it, Jersey. You're the real hero here. Unreal. Thanks, Mark. Thanks, Ken. What a nightmare. I will say what I say on this show often -- relying on capitalism to solve the absolute evil created by capitalism is unlikely to ever work. Rory, you know what's what, my friend! Good to see you!
	🤖 6:56pm PaulRobeson1920: Gonna walk down to Washington!
	6:56pm Carmichael: I hope you don't agree with that idea, Jersey.
	6:56pm Tommy in Neversink: It's not like the civil war rights . Those people actually had a reason to riot
	6:56pm adampsyche: I'll be in DC on the 22nd passing through, hope it's still there
	🤖 6:56pm Ken From Hyde Park: Last Wednesday was merely a dress rehearsal for future events, sadly.
	6:57pm carrots: Great show!! Bravo!!!
	6:57pm dale: someone just posted a meme (baloney, i know) about how animal skin man is in detention and hasn't eaten because they won't serve him organic meals.
	6:57pm Yes: :) thanks guys
	6:57pm castor: @tommy, did they have a reason to kill innocent black people?
	6:57pm HyperDose: Ken needs to start his own social network
	🤖 6:57pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark & Ken!
	6:57pm Fuzzy: Thanks Mark, and Ken!
	🤖 6:57pm Webhamster Henry: The more moderate Republicans "Need the eggs", to quote Woody Allen.
	🤖 6:57pm Handy Haversack: creativegood.com...
	6:57pm adampsyche: KenSpace
	6:58pm Jersey: I still don't know if Mark supports Censorship??
	6:58pm melinda: Thanks Mark and Ken!
	6:58pm chris in the redwoods: thanks, Mark and Ken!
	6:58pm HyperDose: Animal Skin guy will be the spokesman
	🤖 6:58pm PaulRobeson1920: January 1968 - youtu.be... - “We’re gonna walk the streets of washington!” Jim Collier and Rev Fredrick Douglass Kirkpatrick!!
	6:58pm ?: two cops were killed? thought it was one.
	6:58pm Carmichael: Thanks, fellers.
	6:58pm watchpocket: Great discussion, gentlemen!
	6:58pm listener 126464: Thanks Mark, thanks Ken.
	6:58pm Scott67: Thanks guys! ❤
	6:58pm Dean: Because if you operate according to a notion that last week was "unique," your remedy will nevertheless operate by analogy as precedent to undermine the very principles you once claimed to hold.
	6:58pm castor: thanks mark and ken!
	6:59pm schlemiel: 230...
	🤖 6:59pm Handy Haversack: Greatest radio station in the world!
	🤖 6:59pm PaulRobeson1920: Thanks Ken and Mark! Peace and Love one and all!
	🤖 6:59pm Ken From Hyde Park: Animal Skin Guy will gnaw his hands off to escape the cuffs.
	6:59pm Dave in St Albans UK: Thank you. Great stuff.
	🤖 6:59pm Webhamster Henry: Thanks Ken & Mark, fulfilling your public service mandate!
	6:59pm melinda: @Handy you speak the truth
	7:00pm HyperDose: And for keeping it LEGAL!
	7:00pm Jersey: Littleraysunshine adampsyche
	7:00pm polly: kfhp -that wouldnt be an organic meal though
	🤖 7:01pm Webhamster Henry: "Those rioters look kind of low-class" -- Pres. Trump , thinking of the optics and ratings.
	7:01pm dale: i went to burlington coat factory and had my FMU acrylic cap on. guy says FMU! i ask what he listens to and he says he likes their arts discussions. i walk away shaking my head.

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