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Favoriting May 8, 2023: Nita Farahany, author, "The Battle for Your Brain"

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Today: Nita Farahany, author, “The Battle for Your Brain”

The Battle for Your Brain: Defending the Right to Think Freely in the Age of Neurotechnology

nitafarahany.com, Nita’s author site

AI makes non-invasive mind-reading possible by turning thoughts into text (The Guardian, May 1, 2023): “An AI-based decoder that can translate brain activity into a continuous stream of text has been developed, in a breakthrough that allows a person’s thoughts to be read non-invasively for the first time. The decoder could reconstruct speech with uncanny accuracy while people listened to a story – or even silently imagined one – using only fMRI scan data.”

A Mind-Reading AI Translated People’s Brain Scans Into Words and Sentences (The Daily Beast, May 1, 2023): "the subjects told five 1-minute stories while recorded by the fMRI. They then told the stories aloud to provide reference transcripts. The study’s authors were able to identify the story that the subjects were telling after decoding their brain scans. While the decoder wasn’t perfect and could only translate broader thoughts and ideas, it still matched the accuracy of the actual transcripts more closely than if things were left to pure chance."

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  Nita Farahany, author, "The Battle for Your Brain"
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ultradamno:

Mark! Techtonins!
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Franco Twinkie:

Hello Mark.
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Cooh John:

Hello Mark and technicians
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Feldy:

Hey Franco & Ultradamno
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melinda:

hi all
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ultradamno:

Hiya Feldy!
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Franco Twinkie:

↳ Feldy @6:03
Feldino!
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Will thee Sound Guy:

Hi Mark Hurst and all!!!
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Franco Twinkie:

↳ Will thee Sound Guy @6:04
WOW! Look at Charlotte.
  6:05pm
152:

Theremin will outlast A.I.
  6:06pm
yippie:

perhaps it's a bit of good news that google's lawyers are starting to get pissed off in the current federal patent case weisner v google
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chresti:

Hi Mark and techtonicians!
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Webhamster Henry:

Hi Mark & Friends! This show prompts a clear musical cue from Dave Soldier's brainwave music project.
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Mark Hurst:

Hi all, thanks for joining!
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Fredericks:

↳ 152 @6:05
I heard some very good Theremin playing Saturday night.
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Cooh John:

Just ordered the book.
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Ciggy:

I often wonder what is inside that windowless block building on Worth & Church Streets, NYC
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Franco Twinkie:

↳ Ciggy @6:08
I LOVE THE LYRES!!
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DjLorraine:

↳ Cooh John @6:08
🙋‍♀️
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DjLorraine:

One new specific mri weighs 25 tons
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Feldy:

I just remembered that Mark Zuck built a hospital in SF
  6:13pm
yippie:

I'm friends with some Japanese butoh dancers who flew to Texas and got hooked up to brain scanners while they danced
Avatar 🤖 6:13pm
MarciB:

Continuous thought decoding brought to you by Meta. What could possibly go wrong?
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Ciggy:

↳ Franco Twinkie @6:09
Ha
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Webhamster Henry:

There have been primitive brainwave sonification sensors + apps for decades at this point. But now, those noisy signals can get correlated to something a little more meaningful.
  6:13pm
castor:

Hi everyone, lovin this topic!
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Franco Twinkie:

↳ Ciggy @6:13
Is that you!?
  6:14pm
Miss G:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:07
WH do you have a link for that? thanks! (I can look but maybe you have a better idea of a link)
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Mark Hurst:

↳ MarciB @6:13
exactly!
  6:15pm
Cooh John:

🙋 DjLorraine
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Mark Hurst:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:13
yes - the firehose of data that is being correlated with brain-state data enables some really scary possibilities
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:17pm
Ciggy:

↳ Franco Twinkie @6:14
No, my nephew - circa 1983
  6:19pm
Miss G:

Yes Mark, I find that if you flatly ask people a simple question about data privacy, they might say "I have nothing to hide" but if you take the time to give examples of what has happened, their eyes widen. . .(not Cambridge Analytica, but something more concrete)
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Franco Twinkie:

↳ Ciggy @6:17
Okay, that makes sense.
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Webhamster Henry:

↳ Miss G @6:14
here's a cd [davesoldier.bandcamp.com..., he writes about it in his book Music, Math, and Mind, as Handy Haversack will tell you. But the history goes back at least to Alvin Lucier in 1965!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:21pm
DanFA:

Brain surgeons will be IT specialists in our glistening new future. Hallelujah!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:21pm
Webhamster Henry:

The trouble with "Nothing to hide" excuses is that what needs hiding shifts over time.
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Ciggy:

↳ Franco Twinkie @6:19
Saw the Lyres at Brownies in the late 90s. High energy!
  6:21pm
Miss G:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:20
thanks so much WH. I have "Music, Math, and Mind" but sadly have not cracked it yet.
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melinda:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:21
Exactly.
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Webhamster Henry:

↳ Miss G @6:21
You can skip around in it, and then rest a little.
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chresti:

Forgetting things you normally remember is a good way to track your own dementia
  6:22pm
castor:

My thoughts are that ultimately advanced brain technology like this will cause so much more mental illness issues, messing with people's reality and a new form of addiction, and dangerous in so many other ways (imagine brain hacking), that it will be restricted to an elite group who have it implanted in their bodies and essentially become cyborg overlords.
  6:22pm
Miss G:

re: "Hey hey, it's for your brain health" Ah, I saw this article, and I think Nicholas Kristoff is a mensch, but the NYT might be saying "hmm, here is a goldmine" www.nytimes.com...

Why Americans Feel More Pain By Nicholas Kristof
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DanFA:

Don't you just hate breathing oxygen? All that extra work your lungs do.
  6:24pm
Miss G:

(the Kristoff article basically says, it's ya brain)
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Webhamster Henry:

It's either "health benefits" or "our soldiers will benefit from this!"
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Mark Hurst:

↳ DanFA @6:23
"When you plug your body into the Meta Matrix (tm), the auto-breather pump will take care of that annoying task for you! just lie back..."
  6:25pm
Marie in Queens:

Like, why move your body if you don't have to... witness leaf blowers
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Franco Twinkie:

↳ Ciggy @6:21
I saw them for the first time the night Andy Warhol died in L.A. Then again at Maxwell's in Hoboken soon after that.
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DanFA:

↳ Mark Hurst @6:24
That could apply to literally any thing you do every day of your life.
  6:27pm
Marie in Queens:

Everyone is going to have to start wearing sunglasses all the time
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DanFA:

Mark, do you have any plans next week to talk about the WGA strike?
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Mark Hurst:

↳ DanFA @6:27
Interesting idea - do you have a suggestion for who would be a good interviewee?
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MarciB:

Clear has partnered with Amex and Delta to get more clients...and offering a year free
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DanFA:

↳ Mark Hurst @6:28
What about Andy Breckman?
  6:29pm
Marie in Queens:

I'm sure someone is working on fake iris inserts, like contacts
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chresti:

Is Clear connected to scientology?
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Mike Sin:

The folks from Clear unknowingly approaching Mark Hurst -- It would have been great to record that conversation/exchange and run it as part of the show!
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Webhamster Henry:

This WGA strike had better be settled because I need Season 2 of Severance.
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PaulRobeson1923:

Hi Hi
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Ciggy:

So, the airlines are in league with Clear by deliberately slowing down the queue creating long lines. The, Clear swoops in to sign up customers
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Webhamster Henry:

Mark: you should end every show with "Siri! turn all the lights off!" "OK Google! turn all the lights off" "Alexa! Turn all the lights off!"
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Webhamster Henry:

You don't even need brainwave tracking for this kind of emotional intrusion; there are plenty of papers and startups trying to glean this info from vocal and video feeds.
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Webhamster Henry:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:34
in case you think I'm making this up: www.forsta.com...
  6:36pm
Marie in Queens:

When you are hired you need to give them a built-in excuse as to why you might seem inattentive or unhappy at times--like tell them you have foot pain or indigestion
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Mark Hurst:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:35
No limits on creepy tech! Voice, image, brain wave, whatever provides the most intrusive peek & the most growth...
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Franco Twinkie:

I haven't flown since YK2, and NEVER bought anything online. I buy my groceries with wampum.
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Hello, Mark and embattled carania. I clearly lost the battle to arrive on time. 🕕
  6:38pm
Dean:

But not everybody "worked their way up," neither then nor now.
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Mark Hurst:

↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:37
You're welcome any time, KfHP
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Carmichael:

What if I need to think of my password?
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PaulRobeson1923:

I don’t want to join the army
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MarciB:

One more reason why I'm glad I'm a solopreneur.
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PaulRobeson1923:

I don’t want to go to war
  6:41pm
Dean:

I can see an upside to neuro-surveillance, since half the time even I don't know what I'm thinking.
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PaulRobeson1923:

Front Stage Self & Back Stage Self - Erving Goffman
Do not use Wikipedia- wiki is NoT a reliable source
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melinda:

↳ Marie in Queens @6:29
Reflectacles for the eyeballs
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Mark Hurst:

↳ Dean @6:41
Mark Zuckerberg will be *happy* to tell you what you're thinking... and maybe nudge you to think better, Meta-focused, thoughts
  6:43pm
Marie in Queens:

↳ melinda @6:42
Sounds perfect
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Ciggy:

Always will associate the word Robust with the series VEEP
  6:43pm
Marie in Queens:

I really hate to hear about animal research
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iiibeat:

Liberty is to the State what health is to the Individual (ideally).
Liberty is the capacity to interpret and/or act via available freedom.
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Franco Twinkie:

↳ Dean @6:41
If I was neuro serveiled, I think smoke would come out of the machine, then crash and burn.
  6:44pm
Dean:

The dynamic she describes is exactly right. We gave G.W. Bush AUMF on a "temporary" basis. Interesting concept of "temporary," akin to the Supreme Court's mind-numbingly stupid reading of "limited terms" in the Copyright Clause.

Mark Zuckerberg has no idea what I'm thinking, fortunately. I have never touched Facemeta, Bookface, or Metabook.
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PaulRobeson1923:

↳ Marie in Queens @6:43
Wait till you hear about WAR
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PaulRobeson1923:

Will AI make it easier to load a machine gun?
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Carmichael:

↳ PaulRobeson1923 @6:45
What is it good for?
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PaulRobeson1923:

↳ iiibeat @6:44
Liberty is what I say it is
  6:47pm
Rolando:

Love this show! It keeps me awake at night. Specifically targeting specific persons of interest - justifying the use of! (Don’t you want to be safe folks!!! )
  6:47pm
Dean:

If X can be misused against people by gov't and corps, it will be misused against them. This is uncontroversial.
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PaulRobeson1923:

Human Rights did not exist prior to the Close of WWII.
We get Human Rights as a gift, from the Millions and Millions of folks Murdered during the War
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Ciggy:

Clear:
The company’s (stock) ticker is “YOU,” reflecting its tautological motto: “You are you.”
Souce: Slate
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Juli:

Why don't the governments believe in Spirits and Magick?
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Webhamster Henry:

Everyone is a good guy with a brainwave reader!
  6:49pm
P-90:

Thanks Nita! And Mark!
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MarciB:

Cognitive warfare...isn't that social media?
  6:49pm
Marie in Queens:

I think brain imaging is getting better and is amazing but that is the kind of imaging that scans the whole brain and is monitoring motion of sugars, oxygens while in use. Simple external monitors can only detect pretty simple things at this time, right? And it uses correlations with other things, right?
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iiibeat:

↳ PaulRobeson1923 @6:46
Yup!
Its yours, Man!
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Will thee Sound Guy:

Mowing the lawn and listening, wild. Thank you Mark Hurst and Nita!!!
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PaulRobeson1923:

↳ iiibeat @6:49
My friend!
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Franco Twinkie:

↳ Juli @6:48
Or plants. I'm interested in the cellular biology of green things sticking out of the ground - not invasive machines.
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Will thee Sound Guy:

↳ Franco Twinkie @6:05
Yea we were at a wedding... She keeps growing up fast Franco
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Franco Twinkie:

↳ Will thee Sound Guy @6:51
She's a real beauty, that little miss!
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iiibeat:

↳ PaulRobeson1923 @6:50
🌞
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Blockheadchain
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ultradamno:

I thought swiss cheese skulls were just for getting permanently high
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:53pm
ultradamno:

Blockheadchaingang, when in a group
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Ike:

Holy cow, this is mind-blowing (no pun intended). A stream of text? From your brain? Wowsers.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:53pm
Franco Twinkie:

Toiletcam.
  6:54pm
P-90:

“Worker Dignity” how quaint
  6:54pm
Marie in Queens:

People were decrying the potential uses of genetic modifications long before they were even possible
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Will thee Sound Guy:

↳ Franco Twinkie @6:52
Thanks man, she's definitely defining more of a personality every day
  Swag For Life Member 6:55pm
Zinn The Mood:

Frequently miss this excellent show because I’m cooking and feeding the kids, or have just done so.

Please keep holding the torch, Mark, against surveillance capitalism!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
iiibeat:

He stole my thought.
THEY all did!!!

Hahahahahaha

Weird radio.
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PaulRobeson1923:

Teacher! I have to go to the Bathroom! …Well, sorry kid, brain machine says yer makin it up
  6:57pm
Marie in Queens:

Thanks Mark and Nita
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gone with the wind:

↳ Marie in Queens @6:43
me too! Elon is a Psychopath!
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Carmichael:

That's it, I'm inventing the Crainial Faraday Cage.
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MarciB:

Please do a part 2!
  6:58pm
castor:

Thanks Mark!
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gone with the wind:

Love U MarkH :)
  6:58pm
Miss G:

*whew* Thank you Mark Hurst and Nita Farahany, I'll look at my local bookstore tomorrow.
  6:58pm
Quinn02:

Mark, I rejoined Facebook because I needed to buy something from their marketplace. I feel really bad about it and will quit as soon as we buy the thing. It's not drugs, humans, or weapons. Just a chair.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
Webhamster Henry:

↳ Carmichael @6:58
A/k/a a tin foil hat (which actually must be grounded)
  6:58pm
Quinn02:

Mark, I rejoined Facebook because I needed to buy something from their marketplace. I feel really bad about it and will quit as soon as we buy the thing. It's not drugs, humans, or weapons. Just a chair.
  6:59pm
Quinn02:

dang
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Feldy:

Thanks for a thought-provoking show, Mark
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
Franco Twinkie:

I with I had an apple right now. A crispy apple that grew on a tree.
  6:59pm
castor:

YES!!!
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PaulRobeson1923:

↳ PaulRobeson1923 @6:56
? I have to use the Latriens, Sir? I hear the Bombs but I gotta go to the bathroom. I’m raising my hand sir! I don’t care what the brain machine says! I gotta go
  Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
Zinn The Mood:

Avoid Apple (Amazon?), Get Rid of Google and…
what was the rest of that alliteration?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
Webhamster Henry:

I'm happier playing with my Log.
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gone with the wind:

↳ Song: "Happy Happy Joy Joy" by "Ren and Stimpy"
:D
  7:00pm
mr 6:

Get there recordings they rock!! Ren and Stimpy
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Thanks, Mark. Machine, where did I put my keys? 🔑
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 7:00pm
Will thee Sound Guy:

I miss Ren and Stimpy
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:00pm
Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:00pm
Franco Twinkie:

Thank Mark and Nita. I think I'll go kill myself.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 7:01pm
chresti:

Thanks Mark!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 7:01pm
Webhamster Henry:

My Brain Hurts. <<< a GUmby
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