WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from June 10, 2024

Listener comments!
	🤖 ♥ 5:55pm ultradamno: Mark! Techtoodies!
	♥ 5:59pm chresti: Hi Mark and techtonicians!
	6:01pm joe_rosevear: Howdy, all!
	🤖 ♥ 6:01pm David (in London): Evening Mark and all Technoids.
	🤖 ♥ 6:01pm chris in the redwoods: hi, Mark and everyone.
	6:01pm Deb from California: Hi Everyone.
	♥ 6:01pm newton: Game Boy Tune always makes me happy. Can't stay, have Zoom shortly, will catch archive. Eat up everyone!!
	♥ 6:02pm Ike: As always, thanks again to Techtonic for turning me on to Internet & Technology Addicts Anonymous last summer. Having trouble w/social media, smartphones, streaming video or audio content, games, news, pornography, dating apps, online research, online shopping, etc.? internetaddictsanonymous.org
	🤖 ♥ 6:03pm tim: Hey Mark and everyone!
	🤖 ♥ 6:04pm Bas NL: Hi Mark! All plugged in!
	6:04pm Bob Barth: Howdy Mark! Todays challenge: no bad news aaaand... go!
	🤖 ♥ 6:04pm paddy in matawan: Paulie's robot from Rocky IV.
	🤖 ♥ 6:05pm Dano59: there's a pretty great poster image of all the great robots from pop culture -- you know, for reference
	6:07pm Listener Robert: Was "STUPID ROBOT" the original wording in that balloon?
	🤖 ♥ 6:09pm ultradamno: There's also an E-mail Mark link at the bottom of the playlist there
	🤖 ♥ 6:10pm tim: ↳ Listener Robert @6:07 I don’t know but that guy’s thoughts are mine exactly.
	🤖 ♥ 6:10pm DjLorraine: Evening Mark and listeners
	🤖 ♥ 6:10pm ultradamno: I stick by my first answer 31.media.tumblr.com...
	🤖 ♥ 6:10pm chris in the redwoods: omg, the food of Northern Italy... and the wine... and the people... and, well, nearly everything! <3
	6:11pm Dean: A historito of the Dorito?
	🤖 ♥ 6:11pm herb.nyc: Hey. Food- we can all relate. As in the descendents song “I like food”. Anyway, I eat alotta frozen trader joe meals. Is that ultra processed? Doritos? I dont eat them, but could easily be addicted
	6:11pm morphe': was about to run errands and then heard the theme tune ...
	🤖 ♥ 6:13pm Folsom: Just for fun send the audio file questions in RealAudio format.
	6:13pm Al Garve: I loved Doritos from the 90s. The Doritos of the 21st Century are barely edible. Red Fingers Rule!!!
	🤖 ♥ 6:13pm Spikey BXL: Breaking out the cool ranch
	🤖 ♥ 6:13pm Franco Twinkie: ↳ chris in the redwoods @6:10 Oh yes! The ONLY place I would consider giving it all up for is Northern Italy. Even stopping for pizza on the Auto Strada is amazing.
	♥ 6:14pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Dano59 @6:05 That image of pop-culture robots is at the top of the playlist page (from April 22, 2024) here - www.wfmu.org...
	6:14pm joe_rosevear: Mmm. Snack bars!
	🤖 ♥ 6:15pm Dano59: there was this guy, re: the Dorito effect : the upshot of every single paper he put out was "given a bigger bag of chips / a bigger bowl of peanuts, people will eat more chips/nuts" ... it became a running joke at our news meetings www.npr.org...
	🤖 ♥ 6:15pm chris in the redwoods: ↳ Franco Twinkie @6:13 right!?
	🤖 ♥ 6:15pm Folsom: ↳ Al Garve @6:13 Taco flavored is the best.
	♥ 6:16pm Ike: Did 91.1 FM just go off the air? (91.9 NYC seems OK.)
	♥ 6:16pm dale: i just saw that pringles comes in all kinds of flavors. but i'm holding out for bugles to come back.
	♥ 6:16pm iiibeat: RFK Jr. '24
	♥ 6:16pm Ike: 91.1 is back.
	♥ 6:17pm Snortley: Lost 91.1 for about ten seconds there.
	🤖 ♥ 6:17pm ultradamno: I've got these jalapeno flavored black bean Sun Chips here and need more.
	6:17pm joe_rosevear: I try really hard to eat no foods with "enrichment" added.
	🤖 ♥ 6:18pm Handy Haversack: Mark, Techyons.
	6:18pm Al Garve: ↳ dale @6:16 Bugles are worse than the band, The Buggles
	♥ 6:19pm Mark Hurst: ultra, chresti, joe_r, DiL, chris, deb, newton, ike, tim, bas, bob, paddy, dano, robert, DjL, herb, dean, morphe', folsom, al, spikey, franco, dale, iiibeat, snortley, handy - welcome! Thanks for joining.
	6:19pm traven: ↳ Folsom @6:15 I agree . . . however, often not so easy to find.
	6:19pm joe_rosevear: I believe that adding vitamins and minerals only helps if you are already seriously mal-nourished.
	🤖 ♥ 6:19pm ultradamno: I love Bugles....they don't have to compete with buggles, they're Kraftwerk pylon shaped
	♥ 6:20pm newton: ↳ Franco Twinkie @6:13 pizza I had in Cremona was amazing
	🤖 ♥ 6:20pm Handy Haversack: Fritos still have only three ingredients.
	🤖 ♥ 6:21pm Dano59: ↳ Mark Hurst @6:14 the one I was thinking of: (this may have been before the advent of BB-8 and various Ex Machina-type films) robosavvy.com...
	🤖 ♥ 6:21pm Folsom: ↳ traven @6:19 I like that they still keep the old logo with the sombrero.
	♥ 6:21pm dale: ↳ Al Garve @6:18 but they are shaped like.....cones!
	♥ 6:21pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Dano59 @6:21 heh - clever caption!
	🤖 ♥ 6:22pm Dano59: ↳ dale @6:16 too late to develop and market Pride Pringles for this year. Maybe in '25
	🤖 ♥ 6:23pm ultradamno: Speaking of fast food, there's a documentary on the Speedway Burger Chef murders (it was certainly for those kid's health) www.msn.com...
	♥ 6:23pm dale: remember jay leno pitching doritos in his blazer with the sleeves pushed up?
	♥ 6:24pm dale: ↳ Dano59 @6:22 tastes like lavender water.
	🤖 ♥ 6:24pm Franco Twinkie: ↳ newton @6:20 Bolongna for me. No wait, Arezzo...wait a minute, Siena. I'll stop now(no I won't!)
	6:24pm traven: ↳ Folsom @6:21 Yes, sort of a retro vibe there.
	🤖 ♥ 6:24pm Dano59: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:20 that's what Goldfish claim too
	6:24pm Dean: Cyprus
	6:24pm Marie in Chicago: I think the food industry must know their foods trigger overeating and obesity. Like they're designed to stimulate cravings and nonstop eating, right. i have found that the first dorito is the best tasting, most flavorful dorito. Crack is supposed to be like that--nothing equals that first high...
	🤖 ♥ 6:25pm Dano59: ↳ Franco Twinkie @6:24 Lake Como - for a week or five years
	🤖 ♥ 6:25pm Franco Twinkie: Why you!
	6:25pm Marie in Chicago: ↳ Marie in Chicago @6:24 so you keep seeking that first, best taste/high
	🤖 ♥ 6:26pm Franco Twinkie: ↳ Marie in Chicago @6:25 You wanna see the pie I made yesterday?
	🤖 ♥ 6:26pm Dano59: poll on Flamin' Hot Cheetos - I vote no way, thumbs down
	6:26pm Marie in Chicago: ↳ Franco Twinkie @6:26 yes
	6:26pm Deb from California: This is SO interesting. Thanks ... .
	6:26pm Dean: Run a marathon and eat a sandwich?! I can't walk and chew gum at the same time.
	6:27pm joe_rosevear: ↳ Franco Twinkie @6:26 Sure, can you post a link to a picture?
	🤖 ♥ 6:27pm Franco Twinkie: ↳ Marie in Chicago @6:26 Just a minute...
	🤖 ♥ 6:27pm chris in the redwoods: ↳ Franco Twinkie @6:24 Siena is bonkers amazing. what a place.
	🤖 ♥ 6:28pm paddy in matawan: People are drinking beer from hot dog straws now! It's a hell of a time to be alive.
	🤖 ♥ 6:29pm Franco Twinkie: ↳ Marie in Chicago @6:26 <<<LOOK!
	🤖 ♥ 6:29pm paddy in matawan: If you would like to watch the hot dog straw pioneer. www.instagram.com...
	🤖 ♥ 6:29pm ultradamno: ↳ Dano59 @6:26 Up! In bag o' bones shapes! images.heb.com...
	6:29pm morphe': "Morgan Spurlock, a documentary filmmaker who captured his own psychological and physical symptoms from eating McDonald’s every day for a month in the Oscar-nominated 2004 feature “Super Size Me,” died Thursday in upstate New York due to complications of cancer. He was 53...." https://www.theguardian.com/film/article/2024/may/24/super-size-me-director-morgan-spurlock-dies-aged-53
	🤖 ♥ 6:31pm paddy in matawan: ↳ morphe' @6:29 I was saddened by this. Morgan seemed like a great dude. I really enjoyed his work.
	🤖 ♥ 6:31pm ultradamno: Sushi cheetohs 2.bp.blogspot.com...
	6:31pm joe_rosevear: ↳ ultradamno @6:29 Ugh!
	6:31pm Dean: My daughter, 13yo, upon alighting from a plane that landed in Las Vegas, where the airport is wall-to-wall gambling: "Already?"
	6:32pm Marie in Chicago: ↳ Franco Twinkie @6:29 That looks amazing. It's almost glowing. It's like food porn. It actually looks like such a good pie. Do you make your own crust?
	🤖 ♥ 6:32pm ultradamno: ↳ paddy in matawan @6:31 Great at sexual harassment
	6:32pm joe_rosevear: ↳ Franco Twinkie @6:29 Looks good!
	🤖 ♥ 6:32pm paddy in matawan: ↳ ultradamno @6:32 aww I forgot he was cancelled.
	🤖 ♥ 6:33pm disco_nap_: Swoopin' in to say hi to Mark and all!
	🤖 ♥ 6:33pm ultradamno: ↳ joe_rosevear @6:31 The best, though I usually prefer puffs to crunchy
	♥ 6:33pm Mark Hurst: ↳ disco_nap_ @6:33 Hi, @disco_nap_! Thanks for joining.
	🤖 ♥ 6:34pm Dano59: I have the hardest time tryiing to like any of the Japanese junk food I see for sale at FYE. Except for a couple of flavored Oreo variants. It's a cultural divide I cannot cross. www.youtube.com...
	6:34pm Marie in Chicago: ↳ newton @6:20 I had wonderful pizza in Palermo (and in a small town in the French alps right by Italy called Digne)
	🤖 ♥ 6:35pm disco_nap_: ↳ Mark Hurst @6:33 Tried to convince my boyfriend and a friend in our group chat to get off Prime today. I definitely did not succeed but I'm going to keep working on it! It can be so hard to imagine life beyond Amazon. Thanks for opening my mind, Mark!
	🤖 ♥ 6:35pm ultradamno: That Dave Mandl guy has found a patch of garden fresh synths mastodon.social...
	🤖 ♥ 6:36pm Franco Twinkie: ↳ chris in the redwoods @6:27 I love Siena! I stayed on an old olive orchard outside of town for two weeks. I would run into Siena to contemplate the paintings at the pinacotheca for hours at a time, THEN go to Florence the next day to make a contrast and compare at the Uffizi. They HATED each other back in the day. Warring gangs who would do battle with paint brushes!
	🤖 ♥ 6:36pm tim: I’m confused about calories being the appeal of food consumption. I’ve never thought or heard anyone say “I really liked that because of the calories.”
	🤖 ♥ 6:36pm Dano59: ↳ Marie in Chicago @6:34 "Don't order pizzia in Venezia" -- Howe Gelb
	♥ 6:36pm Mark Hurst: ↳ disco_nap_ @6:35 Keep fighting the good fight! Eventually (we can hope) they'll come around...
	6:36pm Marie in Chicago: Imagine if they could mask poison as something tasty... they are doing all kinds of funky research at these food conglomerates
	🤖 ♥ 6:37pm Franco Twinkie: ↳ Dano59 @6:36 Is that a song by Giant Sand?
	6:37pm Marie in Chicago: ....soylent green.....
	6:37pm Dean: @tim: I think he's talking about the brain liking calories and being confused when indicia of calories are misleading, as in the experiment.
	🤖 ♥ 6:37pm disco_nap_: ↳ Franco Twinkie @6:36 Oo I love this conversation! I studied art history in Florence and got to go on a weekend trip to Siena as part of the program.
	🤖 ♥ 6:38pm Franco Twinkie: ↳ Marie in Chicago @6:32 That's the idea. Of course I make my own crust.
	🤖 ♥ 6:38pm tim: ↳ Dean @6:37 Ah, got it. Thank you.
	6:38pm yippie: I once gave some chocolate chip cookies to some girls who had never left japan and they said the cookies taste very American
	6:38pm Marie in Chicago: ↳ Franco Twinkie @6:36 Sounds wonderful.
	🤖 ♥ 6:39pm Dano59: ↳ Franco Twinkie @6:37 Howe came to do a small show in Ithaca and did a monologue with piano about the European tour he'd just finished, and a few US sidetrips that week including a visit to Nick Hill.
	♥ 6:40pm dale: almond farms use the most water.
	🤖 ♥ 6:40pm Dano59: ↳ dale @6:40 i thought it was catfish farms
	🤖 ♥ 6:41pm Franco Twinkie: ↳ disco_nap_ @6:37 Domenico Beccafumi!? Let's talk!
	♥ 6:41pm dale: ...or pecans....but i think almonds.
	6:41pm Marie in Chicago: "Cellular Meat"--good band name
	♥ 6:41pm dale: ↳ Dano59 @6:40 well, the water doesn't get consumed...
	6:42pm Sam: We need lab-grown meat! Leave innocent animals out of it completely!
	6:42pm Marie in Chicago: I have tried to move away from all use of food products that involve factory farming of animals
	6:43pm morphe': Animal runoff [slurry] has a terrible gallon to gallon pollution ratio when it reaches drinking water ...
	🤖 ♥ 6:43pm Franco Twinkie: ↳ Dano59 @6:39 I met Howe outside a Mexican restaurant in Tucson. He never once mentioned pizza.
	6:43pm Marie in Chicago: I'm plugging my ears. I can't stand to hear this about the animals...
	🤖 ♥ 6:44pm Dano59: ↳ Franco Twinkie @6:43 well, when in Rome ... I'd say it was just an opportune rhyme
	🤖 ♥ 6:44pm paddy in matawan: Its shocking to think of these animals being 2 month old and then death.
	6:44pm Fox: On the topic of food, I love this guy’s music: www.instagram.com...
	🤖 ♥ 6:45pm Dano59: My nutritionist told me about "Just Turkey" - no additives, no salt even. It means I have to go to Wegmans though ... horrors.
	6:45pm Marie in Chicago: My dad was a farmer in Ireland and one time we went to a zoo and he wanted to talk to someone in charge to tell them they weren't;t giving enough room to the cows
	6:45pm Sam: ↳ paddy in matawan @6:44 And then the people eating them complain that they taste bland.
	♥ 6:45pm dale: humanely killed chickens are smothered with a foam until they suffocate. not humane at all, but they claim it doesn't stress them out.
	🤖 ♥ 6:45pm ultradamno: Well, we're socialized to think people who want better food as being too big for their britches
	🤖 ♥ 6:46pm Dano59: ↳ Marie in Chicago @6:45 good for him! Give those cows a suitable habitat!
	6:46pm morphe': ↳ Marie in Chicago @6:45 The general rule in Ireland is one acre per cow
	♥ 6:46pm gauche knee: As a vegan who enjoys the multitude of options I couldn’t dream of as a teen, I’d like to hear something critical on the heavily VC backed fake meat industry. I don’t trust it when multi-millionaires back things so quickly.
	6:46pm tonyb: Ruffles “All Dressed” were a fad for a minute. Now off-market?
	♥ 6:46pm slugluv1313: all about CAFOs: aldf.org... horrible for everyone -- the animals, the humans who live in the areas, the environments
	6:47pm Marie in Chicago: For a lot of people, ignorance is bliss. A friend of mine said, re" spending more on organic food that you can pay now or later. But I know a lot of people can't afford organic food. It's so wrong how our food system has become
	6:47pm Sam: The only remotely ethical option is to be vegetarian. Nothing justifies mistreating animals and killing them at 7 weeks.
	♥ 6:47pm gauche knee: ↳ gauche knee @6:46 Hope it’s not too bad for health because incorporating plant based options can be so good for the Earth.
	🤖 ♥ 6:47pm Franco Twinkie: They sure do! Bologna is the platonic ideal of pasta.
	🤖 ♥ 6:47pm paddy in matawan: I buy the most expensive food possible and cook from scratch.
	6:47pm Marie in Chicago: oh, interesting. In this case, it was the room they were giving the cows in the stalls
	🤖 ♥ 6:48pm Dano59: ↳ gauche knee @6:46 I've avoided Impossible thus far under my new dietary restrictions, but I have returned to Morningstar Farms for the occasional breakfast. Owned by another agribiz no doubt.
	6:48pm Fox: I’m a person on food stamps, and Ive got Lyme Disease. Most of my credit card debt at this point is from buying quality food. Cans with BPA or anything with artificial or even natural flavor make me break out in hives.
	6:48pm Marie in Chicago: ↳ Marie in Chicago @6:47 @morphe--6:46
	🤖 ♥ 6:48pm Franco Twinkie: AGREED!
	🤖 ♥ 6:49pm Hunterian: Go to Greenmarkets (in NYC—otherwise, farmers' markets), get to know your farmer/food provider, everything follows from that.
	🤖 ♥ 6:49pm Dano59: ↳ Fox @6:48 wonder if a CSA / farmer's market near you would take food stamps? some do.
	♥ 6:49pm slugluv1313: good evening Mark, everyone! been listening -- fascinating interview! looking for the link to a conference on the intersections of climate and animal "industries"
	6:49pm Fox: I can’t understand why organic broth will have “natural chicken flavor” as a fucking ingredient. Or why organic food will be packaged in plastic.
	🤖 ♥ 6:50pm Dano59: ↳ slugluv1313 @6:49 it's been widely researched. Rainforest depletion for McDonald's et al.
	6:50pm Marie in Chicago: ↳ Fox @6:48 wow, it shows you how their effects are real. Sorry to hear you have Lyme--I hope you get over it soon
	♥ 6:50pm slugluv1313: ↳ Fox @6:49 hi Fox!!! RIGHT ON! how can something in a fucking can be "organic"?!?
	♥ 6:50pm chresti: It takes time to cook/
	6:50pm ledzeppelinsucks: Ban ranch dressing
	🤖 ♥ 6:50pm MarciB: We shop at farmers markets here in NYC and order from Farm to People. As a kid I loved being with my Italian grandparents who shopped at butchers and farms when I was growing up. Grandma canned her own peaches and pears which I loved more than anything!
	6:51pm Sam: I am really hoping for widespread lab-grown meat, which is just as healthy and molecularly the same as real meat, with no anti-biotics or steroids and no animal that has to lay down its life.
	🤖 ♥ 6:51pm Franco Twinkie: There is one supermarket in Italy - Co-op. I shopped there while staying in the orchard.
	6:51pm Marie in Chicago: There was always good beer in Europe and elsewhere
	6:52pm Listener Robert: I think many Americans are like me. I'll buy the high end food, but only as the main thing I want to taste. The other ingredients I'll buy the cheapest because I don't think I'll notice in the final dish. So I like fancy breads if I'm eating them plain, like pumpernickel bagels, but if I'm making sandwiches I'll go for the cheapest bread. I like the fancy beers at a brew pub around here, but if I want to drink beer as part of a meal, I buy the dheap stuff. A bartender at a wedding reception asked if I had a preference for the rum in my rum & Coke, and I told him once it's mixed with the Coke I can't taste the difference, so use the cheapest even though the top shelf stuff is on the house.
	6:52pm Marie in Chicago: ↳ Sam @6:51 me too. Leave the cows (and chickens and pigs) ALONE!
	♥ 6:52pm slugluv1313: Animal Welfare and Climate Change: wwws.law.northwestern.edu... i know it was recorded, but cannot find the link yet :(
	🤖 ♥ 6:52pm chris in the redwoods: wow. great interview. thanks, Marks.
	🤖 ♥ 6:52pm Hunterian: ↳ Fox @6:49 "Organic" is just a USDA/legal term at this point. For the real deal, go to Greenmarkets (cf. comment above) which take SNAP cards
	🤖 ♥ 6:52pm MarciB: The few times I've been in France I was blown away by the small food shops thru Paris - the quality was clearly superior to ours. Next stop: Italy!
	6:52pm Fox: ↳ slugluv1313 @6:50 I’m ok with cans. That’s a solid process of preservation. But plastic lining?!? Plastics leeching into the food? Hexane being used to make most non-organic oils?!?! Fuck no.
	🤖 ♥ 6:52pm tim: Good point about beer improving but it seems like craft beer is heading in the Doritos direction. It seems like so many beers and liquors now have flavors.
	♥ 6:52pm gauche knee: ↳ dale @6:40 you’re right about almonds! When it comes to plant based milks, almond is worst for planet but if dairy milk vs almond milk…dairy is more damaging environmental effects.
	♥ 6:53pm Jeff Moore: Thanks, @Mark! This was a good topic to get into.
	6:53pm Marie in Chicago: ↳ Hunterian @6:52 not true re: that label being false
	🤖 ♥ 6:53pm Dano59: our local mall has a farm-to-table eatery with exquisite food. Not expensive either.
	♥ 6:53pm chresti: Fancy food all the way!
	🤖 ♥ 6:53pm Handy Haversack: Ironically, I have been cooking through all of this. Real ingredients -- even in the fake sausage.
	🤖 ♥ 6:53pm paddy in matawan: ↳ Fox @6:49 I made a pasta fagioli from 100% beef bone broth yesterday. The kettle and fire stuff. $12 /64 oz. I realize thats a ridiculous amount of money comparatively but its ultra nutritious with like good ingredients. Marrow Bones From Pasture-Raised, 100% Grass-Fed & Finished Cattle, Onions, organic carrots, organic celery, organic parsley, sea salt, black peppercorn, bay leaf, thyme, rosemary extract, apple cider vinegar.
	🤖 ♥ 6:54pm ultradamno: coyotepr.uk...
	♥ 6:54pm dale: ↳ gauche knee @6:52 yes - almonds don't pass methane gas.
	6:54pm Fox: ↳ Hunterian @6:52 Oh, I know it. But there’s not a lot at the ones near me, and expense is high, even with the SNAP discount.
	🤖 ♥ 6:54pm Franco Twinkie: Chresti and I dress like tramps, but we eat like rich people.
	🤖 ♥ 6:54pm Dano59: I hit up a meat market on the way back from the doctor's office in Canandaigua - got salmon, Cajun chicken sausage and meatballs.
	6:55pm Sam: ↳ MarciB @6:52 For whatever reason most Europeans just won’t put up with bad food. It’s just non-negotiable. Makes sense, I’m not sure why we AREN’T like that. Maybe our frontier heritage where they had to eat whatever they found. Whereas France and Italy have had quality food for centuries.
	🤖 ♥ 6:55pm Dano59: (supporting regional farms)
	🤖 ♥ 6:55pm chris in the redwoods: ↳ Franco Twinkie @6:54 y'all are doin' it right.
	♥ 6:55pm chresti: Like big Tabacco?
	🤖 ♥ 6:55pm MarciB: Big Ag is every bit as bad as Big tech
	6:55pm Marie in Chicago: ↳ Franco Twinkie @6:54 i love that @)
	🤖 ♥ 6:55pm paddy in matawan: ↳ tim @6:52 I am a homebrewer and beer lover. I am so angry at what the breweries are doing fir fruit puree, lactose, and extracts. I am currently drinking a Japanese rice lager.
	6:55pm Fox: ↳ paddy in matawan @6:53 I got some of that brand as well. I am limited in FODMAPS I can eat as well, and that brand has decent options.
	6:56pm ledzeppelinsucks: Time for a war on mayonnaise
	🤖 ♥ 6:56pm Dano59: ↳ Sam @6:55 nah, we're just spoiled by "convenience" against all our better health interests. Disaster capitalism aided by marketing/advertising.
	🤖 ♥ 6:56pm paddy in matawan: ↳ Fox @6:55 I hope your Lyme gets better. I am very scared of that. It should eventually go away, right?
	🤖 ♥ 6:56pm Hunterian: ↳ Fox @6:54 True dat. I go to GAP Greenmarket, and only two vendors are organic. The rest are bullshit, and it's definitely not cheap, but at some point cheap = chemically assisted
	🤖 ♥ 6:56pm MarciB: ↳ Sam @6:55 Well you know...freedumb and all that I guess. And if you like good food, you're a coastal elite and vilified. It's really weird - everyone deserves good, nutrient-dense food at a reasonable price.
	6:57pm Marie in Chicago: like "chocolate flavor"
	6:57pm Fox: I follow an instagram carbonCowboys that talks about changing cattle grazing practices that actually assist biodiversity. It’s fascinating
	♥ 6:57pm gauche knee: ↳ Dano59 @6:48 I hear you. I try to make from scratch & using whole foods but I’m ok with some frozen fakes on occasion. Not trying to be a purist personally but if you can do it, I respect that!
	6:57pm Sam: ↳ Dano59 @6:56 Yeah, it’s the same reason we drive to chain stores in shitty strip malls instead of supporting local shops downtown.
	6:57pm Bob Barth: ↳ Song: "Mark's comments" brilliant
	6:58pm Derbs: Great SNL skit!
	6:58pm Al Garve: I'm almost hungry
	🤖 ♥ 6:58pm tim: Thanks, Mark!
	♥ 6:58pm gauche knee: ↳ Fox @6:48 Sorry to hear that, good food should be accessible for all. 🩷
	6:58pm ledzeppelinsucks: Processed food swims in mayonnaise and ranch dressing
	♥ 6:58pm chresti: ↳ Song: "Mark's comments" Thanks Mark!
	6:58pm Sam: I like when SNL actually makes a profound point.
	6:58pm Listener Robert: ↳ Song: "Mark's comments" As usual, SCTV did it better...and earlier.
	6:58pm joe_rosevear: Mmm, Fried Brain!
	6:58pm morphe': Thanks Mark and all !!!
	🤖 ♥ 6:58pm paddy in matawan: Thanks Mark. Great one!
	♥ 6:58pm gauche knee: Thnx mark! Great show & sketch!
	🤖 ♥ 6:58pm Franco Twinkie: Thank you Mark. The best - truly.
	🤖 ♥ 6:59pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark! Thanks Mark!
	🤖 ♥ 6:59pm ultradamno: Tik Tok IS a robot alchetron.com...
	🤖 ♥ 6:59pm Hunterian: ↳ Marie in Chicago @6:53 Don't get me wrong: I'm just saying it means something very specific, & most certainly doesn't exclude "natural" pesticides, and in the end the easiest way to decide is to meet the producer personally. I fully realize not everyone can do that, and certainly consider myself lucky in that regard.
	6:59pm Marie in Chicago: Thanks, Mark
	6:59pm joe_rosevear: Thanks, Mark!
	6:59pm Listener Robert: Chick-chick-chickeny...we can't call it chicken, but we can come awfully close.
	🤖 ♥ 7:00pm Dano59: there's a great PSA on FreeSpeechTV about changing the world - and one simple way to do that is grow your own food.
	🤖 ♥ 7:00pm Hunterian: Fantastic show, thanks Mark and Mark!
	7:00pm Fox: ↳ paddy in matawan @6:56 Uhhhh. I got it in grade school. It was diagnosed in my 30s. I’m now 47. So no.
	♥ 7:00pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone!
	7:02pm Marie in Chicago: ↳ Hunterian @6:59 hm, I must say, I do not know about these "natural pesticides".... I do know that research has shown that foods labelled organic are shown to have significantly less pesticide and mostly none. I've read that the produce industry would have one believe there is no distinction between organic and nonorganic...
	7:04pm joe_rosevear: ↳ tim @6:36 Right! Calories are evil. They should be illegal.
	7:06pm joe_rosevear: ↳ Sam @6:42 Mmm. Lab-grown meat.
	7:09pm joe_rosevear: ↳ paddy in matawan @6:44 Maybe you should be a fruitarian. Only eat fruit that has fallen from the tree.
	🤖 ♥ 7:15pm Hunterian: ↳ Marie in Chicago @7:02 I'm not disagreeing with any of that. I'm just saying that companies like Earthbound and Olivia's are definitely big business at this point, and among other things, there's a nutritional tax you pay for transport from the other side of the country.

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from June 10, 2024

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	🤖 ♥ 5:55pm ultradamno: Mark! Techtoodies!
	♥ 5:59pm chresti: Hi Mark and techtonicians!
	6:01pm joe_rosevear: Howdy, all!
	🤖 ♥ 6:01pm David (in London): Evening Mark and all Technoids.
	🤖 ♥ 6:01pm chris in the redwoods: hi, Mark and everyone.
	6:01pm Deb from California: Hi Everyone.
	♥ 6:01pm newton: Game Boy Tune always makes me happy. Can't stay, have Zoom shortly, will catch archive. Eat up everyone!!
	♥ 6:02pm Ike: As always, thanks again to Techtonic for turning me on to Internet & Technology Addicts Anonymous last summer. Having trouble w/social media, smartphones, streaming video or audio content, games, news, pornography, dating apps, online research, online shopping, etc.? internetaddictsanonymous.org
	🤖 ♥ 6:03pm tim: Hey Mark and everyone!
	🤖 ♥ 6:04pm Bas NL: Hi Mark! All plugged in!
	6:04pm Bob Barth: Howdy Mark! Todays challenge: no bad news aaaand... go!
	🤖 ♥ 6:04pm paddy in matawan: Paulie's robot from Rocky IV.
	🤖 ♥ 6:05pm Dano59: there's a pretty great poster image of all the great robots from pop culture -- you know, for reference
	6:07pm Listener Robert: Was "STUPID ROBOT" the original wording in that balloon?
	🤖 ♥ 6:09pm ultradamno: There's also an E-mail Mark link at the bottom of the playlist there
	🤖 ♥ 6:10pm tim: ↳ Listener Robert @6:07 I don’t know but that guy’s thoughts are mine exactly.
	🤖 ♥ 6:10pm DjLorraine: Evening Mark and listeners
	🤖 ♥ 6:10pm ultradamno: I stick by my first answer 31.media.tumblr.com...
	🤖 ♥ 6:10pm chris in the redwoods: omg, the food of Northern Italy... and the wine... and the people... and, well, nearly everything! <3
	6:11pm Dean: A historito of the Dorito?
	🤖 ♥ 6:11pm herb.nyc: Hey. Food- we can all relate. As in the descendents song “I like food”. Anyway, I eat alotta frozen trader joe meals. Is that ultra processed? Doritos? I dont eat them, but could easily be addicted
	6:11pm morphe': was about to run errands and then heard the theme tune ...
	🤖 ♥ 6:13pm Folsom: Just for fun send the audio file questions in RealAudio format.
	6:13pm Al Garve: I loved Doritos from the 90s. The Doritos of the 21st Century are barely edible. Red Fingers Rule!!!
	🤖 ♥ 6:13pm Spikey BXL: Breaking out the cool ranch
	🤖 ♥ 6:13pm Franco Twinkie: ↳ chris in the redwoods @6:10 Oh yes! The ONLY place I would consider giving it all up for is Northern Italy. Even stopping for pizza on the Auto Strada is amazing.
	♥ 6:14pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Dano59 @6:05 That image of pop-culture robots is at the top of the playlist page (from April 22, 2024) here - www.wfmu.org...
	6:14pm joe_rosevear: Mmm. Snack bars!
	🤖 ♥ 6:15pm Dano59: there was this guy, re: the Dorito effect : the upshot of every single paper he put out was "given a bigger bag of chips / a bigger bowl of peanuts, people will eat more chips/nuts" ... it became a running joke at our news meetings www.npr.org...
	🤖 ♥ 6:15pm chris in the redwoods: ↳ Franco Twinkie @6:13 right!?
	🤖 ♥ 6:15pm Folsom: ↳ Al Garve @6:13 Taco flavored is the best.
	♥ 6:16pm Ike: Did 91.1 FM just go off the air? (91.9 NYC seems OK.)
	♥ 6:16pm dale: i just saw that pringles comes in all kinds of flavors. but i'm holding out for bugles to come back.
	♥ 6:16pm iiibeat: RFK Jr. '24
	♥ 6:16pm Ike: 91.1 is back.
	♥ 6:17pm Snortley: Lost 91.1 for about ten seconds there.
	🤖 ♥ 6:17pm ultradamno: I've got these jalapeno flavored black bean Sun Chips here and need more.
	6:17pm joe_rosevear: I try really hard to eat no foods with "enrichment" added.
	🤖 ♥ 6:18pm Handy Haversack: Mark, Techyons.
	6:18pm Al Garve: ↳ dale @6:16 Bugles are worse than the band, The Buggles
	♥ 6:19pm Mark Hurst: ultra, chresti, joe_r, DiL, chris, deb, newton, ike, tim, bas, bob, paddy, dano, robert, DjL, herb, dean, morphe', folsom, al, spikey, franco, dale, iiibeat, snortley, handy - welcome! Thanks for joining.
	6:19pm traven: ↳ Folsom @6:15 I agree . . . however, often not so easy to find.
	6:19pm joe_rosevear: I believe that adding vitamins and minerals only helps if you are already seriously mal-nourished.
	🤖 ♥ 6:19pm ultradamno: I love Bugles....they don't have to compete with buggles, they're Kraftwerk pylon shaped
	♥ 6:20pm newton: ↳ Franco Twinkie @6:13 pizza I had in Cremona was amazing
	🤖 ♥ 6:20pm Handy Haversack: Fritos still have only three ingredients.
	🤖 ♥ 6:21pm Dano59: ↳ Mark Hurst @6:14 the one I was thinking of: (this may have been before the advent of BB-8 and various Ex Machina-type films) robosavvy.com...
	🤖 ♥ 6:21pm Folsom: ↳ traven @6:19 I like that they still keep the old logo with the sombrero.
	♥ 6:21pm dale: ↳ Al Garve @6:18 but they are shaped like.....cones!
	♥ 6:21pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Dano59 @6:21 heh - clever caption!
	🤖 ♥ 6:22pm Dano59: ↳ dale @6:16 too late to develop and market Pride Pringles for this year. Maybe in '25
	🤖 ♥ 6:23pm ultradamno: Speaking of fast food, there's a documentary on the Speedway Burger Chef murders (it was certainly for those kid's health) www.msn.com...
	♥ 6:23pm dale: remember jay leno pitching doritos in his blazer with the sleeves pushed up?
	♥ 6:24pm dale: ↳ Dano59 @6:22 tastes like lavender water.
	🤖 ♥ 6:24pm Franco Twinkie: ↳ newton @6:20 Bolongna for me. No wait, Arezzo...wait a minute, Siena. I'll stop now(no I won't!)
	6:24pm traven: ↳ Folsom @6:21 Yes, sort of a retro vibe there.
	🤖 ♥ 6:24pm Dano59: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:20 that's what Goldfish claim too
	6:24pm Dean: Cyprus
	6:24pm Marie in Chicago: I think the food industry must know their foods trigger overeating and obesity. Like they're designed to stimulate cravings and nonstop eating, right. i have found that the first dorito is the best tasting, most flavorful dorito. Crack is supposed to be like that--nothing equals that first high...
	🤖 ♥ 6:25pm Dano59: ↳ Franco Twinkie @6:24 Lake Como - for a week or five years
	🤖 ♥ 6:25pm Franco Twinkie: Why you!
	6:25pm Marie in Chicago: ↳ Marie in Chicago @6:24 so you keep seeking that first, best taste/high
	🤖 ♥ 6:26pm Franco Twinkie: ↳ Marie in Chicago @6:25 You wanna see the pie I made yesterday?
	🤖 ♥ 6:26pm Dano59: poll on Flamin' Hot Cheetos - I vote no way, thumbs down
	6:26pm Marie in Chicago: ↳ Franco Twinkie @6:26 yes
	6:26pm Deb from California: This is SO interesting. Thanks ... .
	6:26pm Dean: Run a marathon and eat a sandwich?! I can't walk and chew gum at the same time.
	6:27pm joe_rosevear: ↳ Franco Twinkie @6:26 Sure, can you post a link to a picture?
	🤖 ♥ 6:27pm Franco Twinkie: ↳ Marie in Chicago @6:26 Just a minute...
	🤖 ♥ 6:27pm chris in the redwoods: ↳ Franco Twinkie @6:24 Siena is bonkers amazing. what a place.
	🤖 ♥ 6:28pm paddy in matawan: People are drinking beer from hot dog straws now! It's a hell of a time to be alive.
	🤖 ♥ 6:29pm Franco Twinkie: ↳ Marie in Chicago @6:26 <<<LOOK!
	🤖 ♥ 6:29pm paddy in matawan: If you would like to watch the hot dog straw pioneer. www.instagram.com...
	🤖 ♥ 6:29pm ultradamno: ↳ Dano59 @6:26 Up! In bag o' bones shapes! images.heb.com...
	6:29pm morphe': "Morgan Spurlock, a documentary filmmaker who captured his own psychological and physical symptoms from eating McDonald’s every day for a month in the Oscar-nominated 2004 feature “Super Size Me,” died Thursday in upstate New York due to complications of cancer. He was 53...." https://www.theguardian.com/film/article/2024/may/24/super-size-me-director-morgan-spurlock-dies-aged-53
	🤖 ♥ 6:31pm paddy in matawan: ↳ morphe' @6:29 I was saddened by this. Morgan seemed like a great dude. I really enjoyed his work.
	🤖 ♥ 6:31pm ultradamno: Sushi cheetohs 2.bp.blogspot.com...
	6:31pm joe_rosevear: ↳ ultradamno @6:29 Ugh!
	6:31pm Dean: My daughter, 13yo, upon alighting from a plane that landed in Las Vegas, where the airport is wall-to-wall gambling: "Already?"
	6:32pm Marie in Chicago: ↳ Franco Twinkie @6:29 That looks amazing. It's almost glowing. It's like food porn. It actually looks like such a good pie. Do you make your own crust?
	🤖 ♥ 6:32pm ultradamno: ↳ paddy in matawan @6:31 Great at sexual harassment
	6:32pm joe_rosevear: ↳ Franco Twinkie @6:29 Looks good!
	🤖 ♥ 6:32pm paddy in matawan: ↳ ultradamno @6:32 aww I forgot he was cancelled.
	🤖 ♥ 6:33pm disco_nap_: Swoopin' in to say hi to Mark and all!
	🤖 ♥ 6:33pm ultradamno: ↳ joe_rosevear @6:31 The best, though I usually prefer puffs to crunchy
	♥ 6:33pm Mark Hurst: ↳ disco_nap_ @6:33 Hi, @disco_nap_! Thanks for joining.
	🤖 ♥ 6:34pm Dano59: I have the hardest time tryiing to like any of the Japanese junk food I see for sale at FYE. Except for a couple of flavored Oreo variants. It's a cultural divide I cannot cross. www.youtube.com...
	6:34pm Marie in Chicago: ↳ newton @6:20 I had wonderful pizza in Palermo (and in a small town in the French alps right by Italy called Digne)
	🤖 ♥ 6:35pm disco_nap_: ↳ Mark Hurst @6:33 Tried to convince my boyfriend and a friend in our group chat to get off Prime today. I definitely did not succeed but I'm going to keep working on it! It can be so hard to imagine life beyond Amazon. Thanks for opening my mind, Mark!
	🤖 ♥ 6:35pm ultradamno: That Dave Mandl guy has found a patch of garden fresh synths mastodon.social...
	🤖 ♥ 6:36pm Franco Twinkie: ↳ chris in the redwoods @6:27 I love Siena! I stayed on an old olive orchard outside of town for two weeks. I would run into Siena to contemplate the paintings at the pinacotheca for hours at a time, THEN go to Florence the next day to make a contrast and compare at the Uffizi. They HATED each other back in the day. Warring gangs who would do battle with paint brushes!
	🤖 ♥ 6:36pm tim: I’m confused about calories being the appeal of food consumption. I’ve never thought or heard anyone say “I really liked that because of the calories.”
	🤖 ♥ 6:36pm Dano59: ↳ Marie in Chicago @6:34 "Don't order pizzia in Venezia" -- Howe Gelb
	♥ 6:36pm Mark Hurst: ↳ disco_nap_ @6:35 Keep fighting the good fight! Eventually (we can hope) they'll come around...
	6:36pm Marie in Chicago: Imagine if they could mask poison as something tasty... they are doing all kinds of funky research at these food conglomerates
	🤖 ♥ 6:37pm Franco Twinkie: ↳ Dano59 @6:36 Is that a song by Giant Sand?
	6:37pm Marie in Chicago: ....soylent green.....
	6:37pm Dean: @tim: I think he's talking about the brain liking calories and being confused when indicia of calories are misleading, as in the experiment.
	🤖 ♥ 6:37pm disco_nap_: ↳ Franco Twinkie @6:36 Oo I love this conversation! I studied art history in Florence and got to go on a weekend trip to Siena as part of the program.
	🤖 ♥ 6:38pm Franco Twinkie: ↳ Marie in Chicago @6:32 That's the idea. Of course I make my own crust.
	🤖 ♥ 6:38pm tim: ↳ Dean @6:37 Ah, got it. Thank you.
	6:38pm yippie: I once gave some chocolate chip cookies to some girls who had never left japan and they said the cookies taste very American
	6:38pm Marie in Chicago: ↳ Franco Twinkie @6:36 Sounds wonderful.
	🤖 ♥ 6:39pm Dano59: ↳ Franco Twinkie @6:37 Howe came to do a small show in Ithaca and did a monologue with piano about the European tour he'd just finished, and a few US sidetrips that week including a visit to Nick Hill.
	♥ 6:40pm dale: almond farms use the most water.
	🤖 ♥ 6:40pm Dano59: ↳ dale @6:40 i thought it was catfish farms
	🤖 ♥ 6:41pm Franco Twinkie: ↳ disco_nap_ @6:37 Domenico Beccafumi!? Let's talk!
	♥ 6:41pm dale: ...or pecans....but i think almonds.
	6:41pm Marie in Chicago: "Cellular Meat"--good band name
	♥ 6:41pm dale: ↳ Dano59 @6:40 well, the water doesn't get consumed...
	6:42pm Sam: We need lab-grown meat! Leave innocent animals out of it completely!
	6:42pm Marie in Chicago: I have tried to move away from all use of food products that involve factory farming of animals
	6:43pm morphe': Animal runoff [slurry] has a terrible gallon to gallon pollution ratio when it reaches drinking water ...
	🤖 ♥ 6:43pm Franco Twinkie: ↳ Dano59 @6:39 I met Howe outside a Mexican restaurant in Tucson. He never once mentioned pizza.
	6:43pm Marie in Chicago: I'm plugging my ears. I can't stand to hear this about the animals...
	🤖 ♥ 6:44pm Dano59: ↳ Franco Twinkie @6:43 well, when in Rome ... I'd say it was just an opportune rhyme
	🤖 ♥ 6:44pm paddy in matawan: Its shocking to think of these animals being 2 month old and then death.
	6:44pm Fox: On the topic of food, I love this guy’s music: www.instagram.com...
	🤖 ♥ 6:45pm Dano59: My nutritionist told me about "Just Turkey" - no additives, no salt even. It means I have to go to Wegmans though ... horrors.
	6:45pm Marie in Chicago: My dad was a farmer in Ireland and one time we went to a zoo and he wanted to talk to someone in charge to tell them they weren't;t giving enough room to the cows
	6:45pm Sam: ↳ paddy in matawan @6:44 And then the people eating them complain that they taste bland.
	♥ 6:45pm dale: humanely killed chickens are smothered with a foam until they suffocate. not humane at all, but they claim it doesn't stress them out.
	🤖 ♥ 6:45pm ultradamno: Well, we're socialized to think people who want better food as being too big for their britches
	🤖 ♥ 6:46pm Dano59: ↳ Marie in Chicago @6:45 good for him! Give those cows a suitable habitat!
	6:46pm morphe': ↳ Marie in Chicago @6:45 The general rule in Ireland is one acre per cow
	♥ 6:46pm gauche knee: As a vegan who enjoys the multitude of options I couldn’t dream of as a teen, I’d like to hear something critical on the heavily VC backed fake meat industry. I don’t trust it when multi-millionaires back things so quickly.
	6:46pm tonyb: Ruffles “All Dressed” were a fad for a minute. Now off-market?
	♥ 6:46pm slugluv1313: all about CAFOs: aldf.org... horrible for everyone -- the animals, the humans who live in the areas, the environments
	6:47pm Marie in Chicago: For a lot of people, ignorance is bliss. A friend of mine said, re" spending more on organic food that you can pay now or later. But I know a lot of people can't afford organic food. It's so wrong how our food system has become
	6:47pm Sam: The only remotely ethical option is to be vegetarian. Nothing justifies mistreating animals and killing them at 7 weeks.
	♥ 6:47pm gauche knee: ↳ gauche knee @6:46 Hope it’s not too bad for health because incorporating plant based options can be so good for the Earth.
	🤖 ♥ 6:47pm Franco Twinkie: They sure do! Bologna is the platonic ideal of pasta.
	🤖 ♥ 6:47pm paddy in matawan: I buy the most expensive food possible and cook from scratch.
	6:47pm Marie in Chicago: oh, interesting. In this case, it was the room they were giving the cows in the stalls
	🤖 ♥ 6:48pm Dano59: ↳ gauche knee @6:46 I've avoided Impossible thus far under my new dietary restrictions, but I have returned to Morningstar Farms for the occasional breakfast. Owned by another agribiz no doubt.
	6:48pm Fox: I’m a person on food stamps, and Ive got Lyme Disease. Most of my credit card debt at this point is from buying quality food. Cans with BPA or anything with artificial or even natural flavor make me break out in hives.
	6:48pm Marie in Chicago: ↳ Marie in Chicago @6:47 @morphe--6:46
	🤖 ♥ 6:48pm Franco Twinkie: AGREED!
	🤖 ♥ 6:49pm Hunterian: Go to Greenmarkets (in NYC—otherwise, farmers' markets), get to know your farmer/food provider, everything follows from that.
	🤖 ♥ 6:49pm Dano59: ↳ Fox @6:48 wonder if a CSA / farmer's market near you would take food stamps? some do.
	♥ 6:49pm slugluv1313: good evening Mark, everyone! been listening -- fascinating interview! looking for the link to a conference on the intersections of climate and animal "industries"
	6:49pm Fox: I can’t understand why organic broth will have “natural chicken flavor” as a fucking ingredient. Or why organic food will be packaged in plastic.
	🤖 ♥ 6:50pm Dano59: ↳ slugluv1313 @6:49 it's been widely researched. Rainforest depletion for McDonald's et al.
	6:50pm Marie in Chicago: ↳ Fox @6:48 wow, it shows you how their effects are real. Sorry to hear you have Lyme--I hope you get over it soon
	♥ 6:50pm slugluv1313: ↳ Fox @6:49 hi Fox!!! RIGHT ON! how can something in a fucking can be "organic"?!?
	♥ 6:50pm chresti: It takes time to cook/
	6:50pm ledzeppelinsucks: Ban ranch dressing
	🤖 ♥ 6:50pm MarciB: We shop at farmers markets here in NYC and order from Farm to People. As a kid I loved being with my Italian grandparents who shopped at butchers and farms when I was growing up. Grandma canned her own peaches and pears which I loved more than anything!
	6:51pm Sam: I am really hoping for widespread lab-grown meat, which is just as healthy and molecularly the same as real meat, with no anti-biotics or steroids and no animal that has to lay down its life.
	🤖 ♥ 6:51pm Franco Twinkie: There is one supermarket in Italy - Co-op. I shopped there while staying in the orchard.
	6:51pm Marie in Chicago: There was always good beer in Europe and elsewhere
	6:52pm Listener Robert: I think many Americans are like me. I'll buy the high end food, but only as the main thing I want to taste. The other ingredients I'll buy the cheapest because I don't think I'll notice in the final dish. So I like fancy breads if I'm eating them plain, like pumpernickel bagels, but if I'm making sandwiches I'll go for the cheapest bread. I like the fancy beers at a brew pub around here, but if I want to drink beer as part of a meal, I buy the dheap stuff. A bartender at a wedding reception asked if I had a preference for the rum in my rum & Coke, and I told him once it's mixed with the Coke I can't taste the difference, so use the cheapest even though the top shelf stuff is on the house.
	6:52pm Marie in Chicago: ↳ Sam @6:51 me too. Leave the cows (and chickens and pigs) ALONE!
	♥ 6:52pm slugluv1313: Animal Welfare and Climate Change: wwws.law.northwestern.edu... i know it was recorded, but cannot find the link yet :(
	🤖 ♥ 6:52pm chris in the redwoods: wow. great interview. thanks, Marks.
	🤖 ♥ 6:52pm Hunterian: ↳ Fox @6:49 "Organic" is just a USDA/legal term at this point. For the real deal, go to Greenmarkets (cf. comment above) which take SNAP cards
	🤖 ♥ 6:52pm MarciB: The few times I've been in France I was blown away by the small food shops thru Paris - the quality was clearly superior to ours. Next stop: Italy!
	6:52pm Fox: ↳ slugluv1313 @6:50 I’m ok with cans. That’s a solid process of preservation. But plastic lining?!? Plastics leeching into the food? Hexane being used to make most non-organic oils?!?! Fuck no.
	🤖 ♥ 6:52pm tim: Good point about beer improving but it seems like craft beer is heading in the Doritos direction. It seems like so many beers and liquors now have flavors.
	♥ 6:52pm gauche knee: ↳ dale @6:40 you’re right about almonds! When it comes to plant based milks, almond is worst for planet but if dairy milk vs almond milk…dairy is more damaging environmental effects.
	♥ 6:53pm Jeff Moore: Thanks, @Mark! This was a good topic to get into.
	6:53pm Marie in Chicago: ↳ Hunterian @6:52 not true re: that label being false
	🤖 ♥ 6:53pm Dano59: our local mall has a farm-to-table eatery with exquisite food. Not expensive either.
	♥ 6:53pm chresti: Fancy food all the way!
	🤖 ♥ 6:53pm Handy Haversack: Ironically, I have been cooking through all of this. Real ingredients -- even in the fake sausage.
	🤖 ♥ 6:53pm paddy in matawan: ↳ Fox @6:49 I made a pasta fagioli from 100% beef bone broth yesterday. The kettle and fire stuff. $12 /64 oz. I realize thats a ridiculous amount of money comparatively but its ultra nutritious with like good ingredients. Marrow Bones From Pasture-Raised, 100% Grass-Fed & Finished Cattle, Onions, organic carrots, organic celery, organic parsley, sea salt, black peppercorn, bay leaf, thyme, rosemary extract, apple cider vinegar.
	🤖 ♥ 6:54pm ultradamno: coyotepr.uk...
	♥ 6:54pm dale: ↳ gauche knee @6:52 yes - almonds don't pass methane gas.
	6:54pm Fox: ↳ Hunterian @6:52 Oh, I know it. But there’s not a lot at the ones near me, and expense is high, even with the SNAP discount.
	🤖 ♥ 6:54pm Franco Twinkie: Chresti and I dress like tramps, but we eat like rich people.
	🤖 ♥ 6:54pm Dano59: I hit up a meat market on the way back from the doctor's office in Canandaigua - got salmon, Cajun chicken sausage and meatballs.
	6:55pm Sam: ↳ MarciB @6:52 For whatever reason most Europeans just won’t put up with bad food. It’s just non-negotiable. Makes sense, I’m not sure why we AREN’T like that. Maybe our frontier heritage where they had to eat whatever they found. Whereas France and Italy have had quality food for centuries.
	🤖 ♥ 6:55pm Dano59: (supporting regional farms)
	🤖 ♥ 6:55pm chris in the redwoods: ↳ Franco Twinkie @6:54 y'all are doin' it right.
	♥ 6:55pm chresti: Like big Tabacco?
	🤖 ♥ 6:55pm MarciB: Big Ag is every bit as bad as Big tech
	6:55pm Marie in Chicago: ↳ Franco Twinkie @6:54 i love that @)
	🤖 ♥ 6:55pm paddy in matawan: ↳ tim @6:52 I am a homebrewer and beer lover. I am so angry at what the breweries are doing fir fruit puree, lactose, and extracts. I am currently drinking a Japanese rice lager.
	6:55pm Fox: ↳ paddy in matawan @6:53 I got some of that brand as well. I am limited in FODMAPS I can eat as well, and that brand has decent options.
	6:56pm ledzeppelinsucks: Time for a war on mayonnaise
	🤖 ♥ 6:56pm Dano59: ↳ Sam @6:55 nah, we're just spoiled by "convenience" against all our better health interests. Disaster capitalism aided by marketing/advertising.
	🤖 ♥ 6:56pm paddy in matawan: ↳ Fox @6:55 I hope your Lyme gets better. I am very scared of that. It should eventually go away, right?
	🤖 ♥ 6:56pm Hunterian: ↳ Fox @6:54 True dat. I go to GAP Greenmarket, and only two vendors are organic. The rest are bullshit, and it's definitely not cheap, but at some point cheap = chemically assisted
	🤖 ♥ 6:56pm MarciB: ↳ Sam @6:55 Well you know...freedumb and all that I guess. And if you like good food, you're a coastal elite and vilified. It's really weird - everyone deserves good, nutrient-dense food at a reasonable price.
	6:57pm Marie in Chicago: like "chocolate flavor"
	6:57pm Fox: I follow an instagram carbonCowboys that talks about changing cattle grazing practices that actually assist biodiversity. It’s fascinating
	♥ 6:57pm gauche knee: ↳ Dano59 @6:48 I hear you. I try to make from scratch & using whole foods but I’m ok with some frozen fakes on occasion. Not trying to be a purist personally but if you can do it, I respect that!
	6:57pm Sam: ↳ Dano59 @6:56 Yeah, it’s the same reason we drive to chain stores in shitty strip malls instead of supporting local shops downtown.
	6:57pm Bob Barth: ↳ Song: "Mark's comments" brilliant
	6:58pm Derbs: Great SNL skit!
	6:58pm Al Garve: I'm almost hungry
	🤖 ♥ 6:58pm tim: Thanks, Mark!
	♥ 6:58pm gauche knee: ↳ Fox @6:48 Sorry to hear that, good food should be accessible for all. 🩷
	6:58pm ledzeppelinsucks: Processed food swims in mayonnaise and ranch dressing
	♥ 6:58pm chresti: ↳ Song: "Mark's comments" Thanks Mark!
	6:58pm Sam: I like when SNL actually makes a profound point.
	6:58pm Listener Robert: ↳ Song: "Mark's comments" As usual, SCTV did it better...and earlier.
	6:58pm joe_rosevear: Mmm, Fried Brain!
	6:58pm morphe': Thanks Mark and all !!!
	🤖 ♥ 6:58pm paddy in matawan: Thanks Mark. Great one!
	♥ 6:58pm gauche knee: Thnx mark! Great show & sketch!
	🤖 ♥ 6:58pm Franco Twinkie: Thank you Mark. The best - truly.
	🤖 ♥ 6:59pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark! Thanks Mark!
	🤖 ♥ 6:59pm ultradamno: Tik Tok IS a robot alchetron.com...
	🤖 ♥ 6:59pm Hunterian: ↳ Marie in Chicago @6:53 Don't get me wrong: I'm just saying it means something very specific, & most certainly doesn't exclude "natural" pesticides, and in the end the easiest way to decide is to meet the producer personally. I fully realize not everyone can do that, and certainly consider myself lucky in that regard.
	6:59pm Marie in Chicago: Thanks, Mark
	6:59pm joe_rosevear: Thanks, Mark!
	6:59pm Listener Robert: Chick-chick-chickeny...we can't call it chicken, but we can come awfully close.
	🤖 ♥ 7:00pm Dano59: there's a great PSA on FreeSpeechTV about changing the world - and one simple way to do that is grow your own food.
	🤖 ♥ 7:00pm Hunterian: Fantastic show, thanks Mark and Mark!
	7:00pm Fox: ↳ paddy in matawan @6:56 Uhhhh. I got it in grade school. It was diagnosed in my 30s. I’m now 47. So no.
	♥ 7:00pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone!
	7:02pm Marie in Chicago: ↳ Hunterian @6:59 hm, I must say, I do not know about these "natural pesticides".... I do know that research has shown that foods labelled organic are shown to have significantly less pesticide and mostly none. I've read that the produce industry would have one believe there is no distinction between organic and nonorganic...
	7:04pm joe_rosevear: ↳ tim @6:36 Right! Calories are evil. They should be illegal.
	7:06pm joe_rosevear: ↳ Sam @6:42 Mmm. Lab-grown meat.
	7:09pm joe_rosevear: ↳ paddy in matawan @6:44 Maybe you should be a fruitarian. Only eat fruit that has fallen from the tree.
	🤖 ♥ 7:15pm Hunterian: ↳ Marie in Chicago @7:02 I'm not disagreeing with any of that. I'm just saying that companies like Earthbound and Olivia's are definitely big business at this point, and among other things, there's a nutritional tax you pay for transport from the other side of the country.

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