WFMU: Tony Coulter: Playlist from November 27, 2012

Listener comments!
	11:06am tonyc: Hullo dere. Wanted to say a BIG THANKS to Matt from Chapel Hill, NC, who pledged to this show last Wednesday. Thanks, Matt! See you all in an hour....
	11:44am listener james from westwood: good morning, tony! thanks, matt!
	11:52am tonyc: Morning, James!
	11:53am Carmichael: Heya Tony, hiya James.
	11:55am tonyc: Hey, Carmichael!
	11:57am listener james from westwood: good tuesday, carmichael and all! the snow we've had in northern nj is finally beginning to stick in this part of bergen county. fortunately not on the heels of a hurricane like last snow!
	12:01pm tonyc: No theme today -- but I can say that there will be lots of prog and psych.
	12:02pm Dervish: Can't wait to see where you take us this week, Tony.
	12:02pm listener james from westwood: if lots of prog and psych can't be a theme, then i am done with this planet.
	12:03pm BSI: Well then, based on Tony's comment @ 12:01, clearly I've come to the right place... and not late, for once (!)
	12:03pm tonyc: Hiya Dervish -- thanks for whirling in!
	12:03pm tonyc: Hey, BSI!
	12:06pm PLEDGE PIN: HI Tony and everyone, looking forward to another hot show!
	12:07pm Carmichael: Zoldar & Clark are from Jasper Wrath, right? I read that their influences are Yes and Gentle Giant. This sounds like both of them.
	12:07pm tonyc: Hello there, Mr. or Mrs. Pin!
	12:08pm tonyc: @ Carmichael: You are correct! (On all counts.)
	12:08pm PLEDGE PIN: sounds like you have got the moogs already firing, and it is Mr Pin!
	12:09pm tonyc: At warp speed, Mr. Pin!
	12:09pm tonyc: or I mean, warped speed.
	12:10pm PLEDGE PIN: talking off big bands! can you think off any bands that toured and played with live orchestras? like ELP or Barclay James Harvest
	12:10pm Richard: Richard from Topeka here, Hey Tony!
	12:11pm tonyc: Hey Richard! Nice to see you here....
	12:13pm tonyc: @ Pledge Pin: Procol Harum & Caravan come to mind right away.
	12:15pm PLEDGE PIN: yes probably YES and Moody Blues, don't know whether early Deep Purple went on tour with that album they did with the orchestra or whether Pink Floyd went on tour with an orchestra with Ummagumma,
	12:15pm Richard: Yea, caught your post FB, pretty cool, thought I'd tune in and doa pledge, eh?!
	12:16pm tonyc: That's great, Richard!
	12:20pm PLEDGE PIN: 1970-75 British Prog led the World!
	12:21pm Richard: There you go man, WFMU ROCKS!
	12:22pm tonyc: Thanks, R!
	12:24pm Doug S.: Great to see that WFMU is, overall, sitting at 92% of our goal. Remember that all but one of the shows on Give the Drummer Radio reached 100% of their original goals, back when the fundraiser was "silent" during the month of October. Hurricane Sandy whooshed a wrench into those plans, and WFMU had to rev back up the campaign into Disaster Relief mode. Blessings to ALL who've gotten us this close to covering the $250,000+ cost of the storm to WFMU's battered infrastructure and lost revenue. During tough times, everyone — especially the devoted Drummer Stream community — has come through brilliantly. We. Are. So. Close.
	12:29pm Jeremy: Hooray!
	12:30pm BSI: nice pearls before swine vibe in this...
	12:30pm tonyc: Hola Jeremy!
	12:32pm Jeremy: Hi Tony, Doug and all!
	12:33pm Jeremy: Encouraging normalcy? Don't like the sound of that!
	12:34pm Jeremy: Shide & Acorn is lovely music for a snowstorm...
	12:35pm Ricardotron Montalbanics: I think Planet Caravan is the funkiest thing Black Sabbath has ever done. I love this song.
	12:35pm tonyc: OK: Encouraging the black void of freeform themelessness.
	12:37pm tonyc: OOps -- sorry for messing up the song ID there. Damn you, autofill!
	12:38pm PLEDGE PIN: Ric - I prefer Sweetleaf as the funkiest BS, Iron Man also! Buttholes did a good version of Sweetleaf (sweetloaf)!
	12:38pm tonyc: Hey there Ricardotron! Love the new name -- pretty mello....
	12:38pm listener james from westwood: i know it's best if the station hits 100%, but for everyone to have gotten fmu to 92% right after the october drive is pretty damn incredible.
	12:39pm Ricardotron Montalbanics: I think Paranoid might've been the first record I ever bought with my own money.
	12:45pm Jeremy: White snow filling up the black void, ties it all together. Paranoid has such a great cover, no? That guy with the plastic costume bursting out from the woods! Oh, love this Ithica record!
	12:46pm tonyc: As far as I can remember, the first record I bought with my own money was this one: www.amazon.com... I didn't know what the hell it was, but it was like 50 cents and the weird cover drew me in.
	12:46pm Carmichael: This sounds a lot like Caravan's Rhyader Comes to Town. Which is OK by me.
	12:48pm Ricardotron Montalbanics: @tonyc RE:Rastus: who could blame you, with such a freaky cover? I probably would've bought it too, had I seen it.
	12:49pm Jeremy: Hey Tony, how is that other Peter Howell record, Through the Looking Glass?
	12:50pm Ricardotron Montalbanics: A large part of my record experience as a very young lad was looking at all the weird cover art on records in the cut-out bin at my local drug store. It didn't occur to me that I could nag my parents to give me the money to buy them. I didn't get my own record player until I was around 13 or so.
	12:50pm tonyc: @ Jeremy: I don't like it as much -- but it is good too.
	12:53pm Jeremy: That first purchase explains so much! Mine was the Beatles' Something New...so pedestrian
	12:55pm tonyc: @ Ricardotron Montalbanics: I still buy (cheap) records based on their covers all the time. I've gotten it down to a science: nice cover image, plus right liner-notes font, plus not-too-scary haircuts = take a chance. Oh, plus no fluegelhorn or pedal steel.
	12:57pm tonyc: Unless, of course, they're the right kind of scary haircut.
	12:57pm Jeremy: The record pickings in Buffalo were quite slim, didn't start buying them really until moving to NYC metro area. But we did have a place called Rent-a-Record!
	12:59pm tonyc: Rent-a-Record! They didn't actually let you rent records, did they -- like a video store?
	1:01pm Jeremy: Yep, just like it sounds! A paid library of vinyl.
	1:02pm Ricardotron Montalbanics: the closest thing to renting records I can recall was a Music Land that was run by a really nice lady named Pat who used to let me exchange records all the time when I was a teenager. I think it ended when their record wholesaler complained about all the returns coming from her store. Then she disappeared and the chain was bought out by Sam Goody.
	1:04pm tonyc: Ah, Sam Goody! They used to have a huge store in Manhattan in the west 40s that had nothing but cutouts, mostly for under a dollar. I discovered tons of great records there, until they got shut down for bootlegging.
	1:05pm Jeremy: Did a little google and found this in a 1982 Billboard article entitled "Did RCA roll back price hike?" "Lenny Silver, the Buffalo one-stop/retailer...stated that the RCA 4% move would increase the number of rent-a-record stores in his area."
	1:08pm Jeremy: The Godz met while working at that Sam Goody, was it 48th St?
	1:10pm Jeremy: I knew a kid who treated Tower Records as a rent-a-record, he would warp slightly in the oven any LP he didn't fancy and return it...until they banned him and put up his polaroid on the wall.
	1:10pm tonyc: Yes, I think it was 48th. If memory serves, it shut down in the early '80s or thereabouts.
	1:12pm Ricardotron Montalbanics: I remember some clown in my town tried to start up a CD rental business. I think it lasted about a month, sometime in the late 80s.
	1:13pm tonyc: I'm thinking of starting a food rental business. Be Kind: Regurgitate.
	1:14pm Ricardotron Montalbanics: I read somewhere that record wholesalers used to have a really liberal return policy with retailers but then revoked it in order to force retailers to stop stocking as much LPs in favor of CDs, which they were previously hesitant to embrace due to the price difference. I have no idea of this was true but I read it somewhere.
	1:14pm BSI: Clown music is a tricky market, clearly....
	1:15pm Jeremy: I was in Japan in 1990 and went to a rent-a-CD place, I was very excited to be able to make a cassette copy of the Ron Asheton project The New Order.
	1:17pm tonyc: I've been looking for that rare New Order album "Ron Asheton."
	1:20pm tonyc: Never heard of rent-an LP or rent-a-CD stores. Don't think there were any in NYC. Wouldn't the LPs in particular be pretty scratched up?
	1:22pm tonyc: Moonlight, on now, were Finnish, but sound totally American to me. (Except for the slight accent, of course.)
	1:25pm Jeremy: I think that they checked the condition and would charge you if you really scratched it! But I am sure they probably incurred quite a bit wear. The business model is compeltely baffling to me, but I was only 12. We left when I was 13, so who knows how long they were around? I went back there 10 yrs ago and there was a record shop still in that location. Tower on 66th & Broadway used to take back any CD, even after being opened, long after the advent of CD burners.
	1:27pm Jeremy: I'd love to hear New Order covering The New Order.
	1:29pm Jeremy: Does it seem as if "international" bands that most successfully ape American and UK styles are also the most consistently uninteresting?
	1:30pm Jeremy: With exceptions, of course.
	1:30pm Snortley: There was always the option of taking out LPs and CDs from libraries, and recording copies. My girlfriend once hosted a visitor from Brazil in the 1990s who immediately bought 2 VCRs and spent 2 weeks duping videos from Kim's. Hardly saw anything else of NY.
	1:31pm Uncle Michael: Hello Drumheads
	1:31pm tonyc: @ Jeremy: In general, yes, I agree absolutely. Every once in a while, though, the aping is so well aped I forgive them. Greetings Snortley & Uncle Michael!!
	1:34pm Jeremy: @Snortley: Funny to think how much time was spent amassing personal bootleg libraries that can be acquired with the click of a mouse these days. I had two pals who spent years dubbing copies of all the VHS rarities that Kim's Video had to offer with the notion of starting a west coast version of same.
	1:37pm tonyc: @ Snortley: Ah yes, libraries. Used to burn borrowed CDs myself. It was nice too when libraries started dumping LPs en masse. I used to live very close to the central branch of the Brooklyn Public Library and they got rid of lots of great (and often barely played) LPs. (Not to speak of books!)
	1:38pm Jeremy: Not that Kim's itself was much more than a bootleg operation...the dubious legal doings of underground media production is carried from the roots all the way along to the endpoint of distribution, and not much has changed.
	1:41pm Jeremy: I went to the Lincoln Center library often to listen to records, and one day they were all gone. I asked about it and they said they were all in a dumpster in the basement. When I asked if I could go through them they said no... In Portland, my brother was there when the Multnomah library was getting rid of them but they got word of it so everyone took out the LPs they wanted and kept 'em.
	1:45pm tonyc: I'm pretty sure that Kim's bootlegging activities spread to Russia. There were a bunch of (really nice) Russian guys working there, and I suspect -- based on a store I visited in St. Petersburg -- that at least one of them was bringing CDs from Kim's to be booted in Russia.
	1:46pm Jeremy: Glad you aren't yet finnished with your treats from reindeerland. Love is the big Finnish label then? Any others to look out for?
	1:47pm Jeremy: I think I knew one of those Russian guys, he also had a psych based label.
	1:48pm tonyc: @ Jeremy: Yes, Love was Finland's Silence. The label they turned into in the '80s, Johanna, was good for post-punk and such.
	1:50pm BSI: NICE! Twelve thumbs-up for the Calvert...
	1:52pm tonyc: Just don't set those thumbs on fire!
	1:53pm Jeremy: This Robert Calvert record has super silly songs, but it has such amazing Eno production, maybe his best outside of his own records.
	1:54pm PLEDGE PIN: yeh Jeremy - I think its called legal theft. but anyway where I live in Manchester UK, the city big library was shutting and they had a huge classical section including many avant garde records. To cut a long story short by the time the library shut down I had a large Stockhausen original record collection!
	1:54pm BSI: Curiously, there's a different edit of the Storm Chant between the original vinyl & the CD reissue. Not even a remix; more like a total tape-cut edit, it's really jarring if you're accustomed to one & hear the other...
	1:55pm PLEDGE PIN: sabbath time!
	1:56pm Jeremy: @BSI: Really! Which one is the edited version?
	1:56pm Jeremy: Sabbath Two-fer Tuesday!
	1:57pm Ricardotron Montalbanics: It's funny to listen to this song beside King Crimson's Pictures of a City
	1:58pm tonyc: RE Storm Chant: I played the CD just now -- so I guess I played the edited version? (I don't own the LP.)
	1:59pm Ricardotron Montalbanics: Any song on Paranoid instantly transports me back to seventh grade. It was just such a badass album. Have you heard the Venetian Snares Sabbath remixes?
	1:59pm PLEDGE PIN: Tony, next week lets have a selection from Sabbath's Master of Reality - classic!
	1:59pm tonyc: Nope: Haven't heard the Venetian Snares stuff.
	2:00pm BSI: @Jeremy: at this point I'm not sure which is the original cut. Had the BGO-label CD for ages & that's the one I'm used to. Then finally got the UA-label vinyl (gatefold) and that one appears to be cut differently. But maybe it's the other way 'round, since I'm used to the CD, etc...
	2:01pm PLEDGE PIN: Tony, perhaps only the Comus album equals the Sabbs in dark intensity!
	2:01pm BSI: There's a few cases of re-edits of Calvert & mid-period hawkwind stuff (i.e., the vocals on High Rise, on the HW album PXR5; totally different vocal take between the LP and CD versions) ... sorry for the geek moment there. Will take meds & move on...
	2:01pm tonyc: I've got the BGO Calvert CD myself. Don't notice any overly abrupt tape edits.
	2:03pm Ricardotron Montalbanics: I'm not a huge metal fan but I really think two bands that have the heaviness down are The Melvins and Sunn (((0))). Comus is quite nice, as well.
	2:03pm BSI: TONY: Yep. it was the vinyl one that threw me. The one you played is the one I'm used to. But yeh, I might be seeing reality backwards (again?)
	2:04pm PLEDGE PIN: Ric, of course there was Black Widow, competitor's of the Sabbs in the UK at the time!
	2:07pm Ricardotron Montalbanics: Last year, I downloaded this wonderful comp of 'devil music', compiled by someone calling themselves DJ Goatface Killah. It's all 60's/70's devil/witch/satanic themed stuff. I think Black Widow was on it, but I can't be certain (I don't have it with me). I'll be sure to check that out.
	2:07pm tonyc: Didn't Black Widow beat Sabbath to the punch as far as the black magic schtick?
	2:10pm PLEDGE PIN: yes I think so, but like the story in the US of the two bands called Mountain (Bus), as soon as one of them became big the other was forgotten or run out of town by expensive lawyers!
	2:23pm Carmichael: Italian prog!
	2:30pm tonyc: Emerson, Lake & Polyphony (w/ a Robby Krieger sound-alike on guitar)
	2:33pm Carmichael: Boy, no kidding. This is Tarkus ELP mode.
	2:40pm Carmichael: Glenn Howard's Polyphony homepage: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Polyphony-Without-Introduction/200075520036170?sk=info
	2:41pm Ricardotron Montalbanics: Tarkus is one of those covers that fascinated me as a child, then, many years later, hearing the music and thinking it was kind of uninteresting, then, many more years later, I quite liked it. Also, I used to draw that armadillo/tank creature a lot when I was very little.
	2:42pm tonyc: Thanks, Carmichael! I'll have a look post-show....
	2:44pm tonyc: Hey, just a last-minute plea for pledges here, as this is almost certainly my last show during this emergency marathon. Any amount helps!
	2:46pm Brian in UK: 'Barkis is willing', This covers Charles Dickens & Lowell George. PS Hello Tony. Have you considered a show from the North Pole?
	2:48pm Jeremy: Lovely throats on these Froggies....
	2:48pm tonyc: @ Brian in UK: Broadcasting from the North Pole, you mean? The North Telephone Pole maybe....
	2:49pm Van in DC: Too busy to listen today :( But stopping in to say hi Tony! Rats. I missed Harps of Fuchsia Kalma.
	2:50pm Doug S.: GIVE THE DRUMMER RADIO PROGRAMMING ALERT... It is always a learning experience to observe the surgical theatre whilst Dr. Coulter operates. Thank you Tony! If you don't mind the sound of blood, be sure to tune in to Give the Drummer Radio this evening for two more live radio shows" GIVE THE DRUMMER SOME at 6pm KAMINSKY KAMOUTSKY WITH JESSE at 7pm In the meantime, allow your 24-hour Drummer Stream to entertain you with these fine pre-recorded medical experimenters galore: Mr. Sad Head Scatman Bailey New Dawn Lee Hazlewood Bembeya Jazz National Wrinkars Experience Shadie Oller Johnnie & Jack The Stanley Brothers The Hard Times Lux Soul Superman Dave "Baby" Cortez Mary Halvorsen Quintet Frank Lowe Iris DeMent Music of the Central African Pygmies Lionel Hampton and more and more and eternally more...
	2:50pm tonyc: Hey Van! I'll be waiting for you in archive land.
	2:52pm Doug S.: Oops, I forgot to include Jodi Mathis! She will appear following Soul Superman, above.
	2:52pm listener james from westwood: what a show! thanks so much, tony. this is always a fun ride.
	2:54pm tonyc: Thanks, listener james! And everyone else for listening. See you all next week....
	2:56pm PLEDGE PIN: Tony, great show, plenty of Black rock, lots of white noise, many pink dots, and loads of purple haze!
	2:57pm Jeremy: Thanks once again TC, you have put a sparkle on the arrival of winter.
	2:58pm tonyc: Thanks, Pledge Pin and Jeremy! Ta, all!
	2:58pm Jeremy: I hear his old man breath blowing...
	3:00pm tonyc: Old man winter hasn't really made it here yet, I'm glad to say.
	3:00pm tonyc: Just his sidekick Rain....
	3:01pm tonyc: Cheers, for realz....
	9:22pm tonyc: BIG THANKS to Jonathan from Asheville, NC, for pledging a couple of hours after today's show. Thanks much, Jonathan!!

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Year	Approx. start time
THE IN-THEME	"THE IN-THEME"				0:00:00 (Pop-up)
CHURCHILL'S	Pictures in My Mind "Pictures in My Mind" by "CHURCHILL'S"	Churchill's	Hed-Arzi	1968	0:01:48 (Pop-up)
ZOLDAR & CLARK	Lunar Progressions (197?)	The Ghost of Way	Oxford Circus	2008	0:03:38 (Pop-up)
THE THIRD ESTATE	Look at Me "Look at Me" by "THE THIRD ESTATE"	Years Before the Wine	RE: Mellow	1976	0:08:34 (Pop-up)
TRAPEZE	Seafull "Seafull" by "TRAPEZE"	Medusa	Threshold	1970	0:17:16 (Pop-up)
ANDROMEDA	And Now the Sun Shines "And Now the Sun Shines" by "ANDROMEDA"	Andromeda	RCA Victor	1969	0:23:44 (Pop-up)
SHIDE & ACORN	So Long Day "So Long Day" by "SHIDE & ACORN"	Under the Tree	RE: Acme	1971	0:27:45 (Pop-up)

BLACK SABBATH	Planet Caravan "Planet Caravan" by "BLACK SABBATH"	Paranoid	Warner Bros.	1970	0:34:37 (Pop-up)
JOHN CALE	Ghost Story "Ghost Story" by "JOHN CALE"	Vintage Violence	Columbia	1970	0:39:06 (Pop-up)
ITHICA	Journey/ Destruction/ Rebirth - Pattern of Life	A Game for All Who Know	RE: Acme	1973	0:42:57 (Pop-up)
ARTURO STALTERI	Verso la Realta "Verso la Realta" by "ARTURO STALTERI"	Andre sulla Luna	RE: MP	1979	0:47:51 (Pop-up)
NEIGE	Arthur Fiedler (197?) "Arthur Fiedler (197?)" by "NEIGE"	V.A.: Best of Baltimore’s Buried Bands II	OHO Music/ Progression	2003	0:50:24 (Pop-up)
SUM PEAR	Thoughts of Slumber "Thoughts of Slumber" by "SUM PEAR"	Sum Pear	Euphoria	1971	0:57:20 (Pop-up)
BLUES SECTION	Only Dreamin' (1967)	2	Love	1995	1:00:51 (Pop-up)

STORMY SIX	La Canzone della Fata dai Capelli Turchini	Cliche + Pinocchio Bazaar	Fonit Cetra	1997	1:08:56 (Pop-up)
THOSE LOVELY HULA HANDS	Missa on Marilyn? (1971)	V.A.: Psychedelic Phinland: Finnish Hippie & Underground Music, 1967–1974	Love	2006	1:12:54 (Pop-up)
MOONLIGHT	O.M.C. "O.M.C." by "MOONLIGHT"	The Edge (Modern Dance in the Twilight Zone)	TopHits–FinnHits	1978	1:18:06 (Pop-up)
FLAMIN' GROOVIES	City Lights "City Lights" by "FLAMIN' GROOVIES"	Teenage Head	Kama Sutra	1971	1:22:50 (Pop-up)
HARPS OF FUCHSIA KALMIA	Finally Peacefulness Touched Me and I Was Happy to Feel Myself Without Regard	Burning with Your Old Joy in the Terminal Sun	Ikuisuus	2009	1:27:10 (Pop-up)

KOLLAA KESTAA	Tahtien Rauha (1978)	“More Arctic Hysteria / Son of Arctic Hysteria - The Later Years of Early Finnish Avantgarde	Love	2005	1:43:08 (Pop-up)
MIKKO SAARELA	Robotti "Robotti" by "MIKKO SAARELA"	7"	Poko	1981	1:46:51 (Pop-up)
ROBERT CALVERT	Storm Chant of the Skraelings	Lucky Leif and the Longships	United Artists	1975	1:50:17 (Pop-up)
BLACK SABBATH	Electric Funeral "Electric Funeral" by "BLACK SABBATH"	Paranoid	Warner Bros.	1970	1:54:49 (Pop-up)
THUNDERPUSSY	Document of Validation/ Observation of Us/ Instrumentation/ The Slave and the Duke	Documents of Captivity	RE: The Wild Places	1973	1:59:40 (Pop-up)
XIT	Nihaa Shil Hozho "Nihaa Shil Hozho" by "XIT"	Plight of the Redman	Rare Earth	1972	2:07:37 (Pop-up)

ZOLDAR & CLARK	Somewhere Beyond the Sun [part of] (197?)	The Ghost of Way	Oxford Circus	2008	2:18:44 (Pop-up)
E.A. POE	Alla Ricerca di una Dimensione	Generazioni (Storia di Sempre)	RE: Vinyl Magic	1974	2:21:43 (Pop-up)
POLYPHONY	Crimson Dagger "Crimson Dagger" by "POLYPHONY"	Without Introduction	Eleventh Hour	1972	2:26:02 (Pop-up)
FROGGIE BEAVER	Away from Home "Away from Home" by "FROGGIE BEAVER"	From the Pond	Froggie Beaver	1973	2:40:03 (Pop-up)

ARK	Sea of Life "Sea of Life" by "ARK"	Voyages	RE: Guerssen	1978	2:52:59 (Pop-up)
CURD DUCA	Wind "Wind" by "CURD DUCA"	Easy Listening 3	Normal	1994	2:57:12 (Pop-up)
THE OUT-THEME	Gelbart: My Favorite Vacation [part of] + Die Trip Computer Die: Airborn [part of]				2:58:41 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	11:06am tonyc: Hullo dere. Wanted to say a BIG THANKS to Matt from Chapel Hill, NC, who pledged to this show last Wednesday. Thanks, Matt! See you all in an hour....
	11:44am listener james from westwood: good morning, tony! thanks, matt!
	11:52am tonyc: Morning, James!
	11:53am Carmichael: Heya Tony, hiya James.
	11:55am tonyc: Hey, Carmichael!
	11:57am listener james from westwood: good tuesday, carmichael and all! the snow we've had in northern nj is finally beginning to stick in this part of bergen county. fortunately not on the heels of a hurricane like last snow!
	12:01pm tonyc: No theme today -- but I can say that there will be lots of prog and psych.
	12:02pm Dervish: Can't wait to see where you take us this week, Tony.
	12:02pm listener james from westwood: if lots of prog and psych can't be a theme, then i am done with this planet.
	12:03pm BSI: Well then, based on Tony's comment @ 12:01, clearly I've come to the right place... and not late, for once (!)
	12:03pm tonyc: Hiya Dervish -- thanks for whirling in!
	12:03pm tonyc: Hey, BSI!
	12:06pm PLEDGE PIN: HI Tony and everyone, looking forward to another hot show!
	12:07pm Carmichael: Zoldar & Clark are from Jasper Wrath, right? I read that their influences are Yes and Gentle Giant. This sounds like both of them.
	12:07pm tonyc: Hello there, Mr. or Mrs. Pin!
	12:08pm tonyc: @ Carmichael: You are correct! (On all counts.)
	12:08pm PLEDGE PIN: sounds like you have got the moogs already firing, and it is Mr Pin!
	12:09pm tonyc: At warp speed, Mr. Pin!
	12:09pm tonyc: or I mean, warped speed.
	12:10pm PLEDGE PIN: talking off big bands! can you think off any bands that toured and played with live orchestras? like ELP or Barclay James Harvest
	12:10pm Richard: Richard from Topeka here, Hey Tony!
	12:11pm tonyc: Hey Richard! Nice to see you here....
	12:13pm tonyc: @ Pledge Pin: Procol Harum & Caravan come to mind right away.
	12:15pm PLEDGE PIN: yes probably YES and Moody Blues, don't know whether early Deep Purple went on tour with that album they did with the orchestra or whether Pink Floyd went on tour with an orchestra with Ummagumma,
	12:15pm Richard: Yea, caught your post FB, pretty cool, thought I'd tune in and doa pledge, eh?!
	12:16pm tonyc: That's great, Richard!
	12:20pm PLEDGE PIN: 1970-75 British Prog led the World!
	12:21pm Richard: There you go man, WFMU ROCKS!
	12:22pm tonyc: Thanks, R!
	12:24pm Doug S.: Great to see that WFMU is, overall, sitting at 92% of our goal. Remember that all but one of the shows on Give the Drummer Radio reached 100% of their original goals, back when the fundraiser was "silent" during the month of October. Hurricane Sandy whooshed a wrench into those plans, and WFMU had to rev back up the campaign into Disaster Relief mode. Blessings to ALL who've gotten us this close to covering the $250,000+ cost of the storm to WFMU's battered infrastructure and lost revenue. During tough times, everyone — especially the devoted Drummer Stream community — has come through brilliantly. We. Are. So. Close.
	12:29pm Jeremy: Hooray!
	12:30pm BSI: nice pearls before swine vibe in this...
	12:30pm tonyc: Hola Jeremy!
	12:32pm Jeremy: Hi Tony, Doug and all!
	12:33pm Jeremy: Encouraging normalcy? Don't like the sound of that!
	12:34pm Jeremy: Shide & Acorn is lovely music for a snowstorm...
	12:35pm Ricardotron Montalbanics: I think Planet Caravan is the funkiest thing Black Sabbath has ever done. I love this song.
	12:35pm tonyc: OK: Encouraging the black void of freeform themelessness.
	12:37pm tonyc: OOps -- sorry for messing up the song ID there. Damn you, autofill!
	12:38pm PLEDGE PIN: Ric - I prefer Sweetleaf as the funkiest BS, Iron Man also! Buttholes did a good version of Sweetleaf (sweetloaf)!
	12:38pm tonyc: Hey there Ricardotron! Love the new name -- pretty mello....
	12:38pm listener james from westwood: i know it's best if the station hits 100%, but for everyone to have gotten fmu to 92% right after the october drive is pretty damn incredible.
	12:39pm Ricardotron Montalbanics: I think Paranoid might've been the first record I ever bought with my own money.
	12:45pm Jeremy: White snow filling up the black void, ties it all together. Paranoid has such a great cover, no? That guy with the plastic costume bursting out from the woods! Oh, love this Ithica record!
	12:46pm tonyc: As far as I can remember, the first record I bought with my own money was this one: www.amazon.com... I didn't know what the hell it was, but it was like 50 cents and the weird cover drew me in.
	12:46pm Carmichael: This sounds a lot like Caravan's Rhyader Comes to Town. Which is OK by me.
	12:48pm Ricardotron Montalbanics: @tonyc RE:Rastus: who could blame you, with such a freaky cover? I probably would've bought it too, had I seen it.
	12:49pm Jeremy: Hey Tony, how is that other Peter Howell record, Through the Looking Glass?
	12:50pm Ricardotron Montalbanics: A large part of my record experience as a very young lad was looking at all the weird cover art on records in the cut-out bin at my local drug store. It didn't occur to me that I could nag my parents to give me the money to buy them. I didn't get my own record player until I was around 13 or so.
	12:50pm tonyc: @ Jeremy: I don't like it as much -- but it is good too.
	12:53pm Jeremy: That first purchase explains so much! Mine was the Beatles' Something New...so pedestrian
	12:55pm tonyc: @ Ricardotron Montalbanics: I still buy (cheap) records based on their covers all the time. I've gotten it down to a science: nice cover image, plus right liner-notes font, plus not-too-scary haircuts = take a chance. Oh, plus no fluegelhorn or pedal steel.
	12:57pm tonyc: Unless, of course, they're the right kind of scary haircut.
	12:57pm Jeremy: The record pickings in Buffalo were quite slim, didn't start buying them really until moving to NYC metro area. But we did have a place called Rent-a-Record!
	12:59pm tonyc: Rent-a-Record! They didn't actually let you rent records, did they -- like a video store?
	1:01pm Jeremy: Yep, just like it sounds! A paid library of vinyl.
	1:02pm Ricardotron Montalbanics: the closest thing to renting records I can recall was a Music Land that was run by a really nice lady named Pat who used to let me exchange records all the time when I was a teenager. I think it ended when their record wholesaler complained about all the returns coming from her store. Then she disappeared and the chain was bought out by Sam Goody.
	1:04pm tonyc: Ah, Sam Goody! They used to have a huge store in Manhattan in the west 40s that had nothing but cutouts, mostly for under a dollar. I discovered tons of great records there, until they got shut down for bootlegging.
	1:05pm Jeremy: Did a little google and found this in a 1982 Billboard article entitled "Did RCA roll back price hike?" "Lenny Silver, the Buffalo one-stop/retailer...stated that the RCA 4% move would increase the number of rent-a-record stores in his area."
	1:08pm Jeremy: The Godz met while working at that Sam Goody, was it 48th St?
	1:10pm Jeremy: I knew a kid who treated Tower Records as a rent-a-record, he would warp slightly in the oven any LP he didn't fancy and return it...until they banned him and put up his polaroid on the wall.
	1:10pm tonyc: Yes, I think it was 48th. If memory serves, it shut down in the early '80s or thereabouts.
	1:12pm Ricardotron Montalbanics: I remember some clown in my town tried to start up a CD rental business. I think it lasted about a month, sometime in the late 80s.
	1:13pm tonyc: I'm thinking of starting a food rental business. Be Kind: Regurgitate.
	1:14pm Ricardotron Montalbanics: I read somewhere that record wholesalers used to have a really liberal return policy with retailers but then revoked it in order to force retailers to stop stocking as much LPs in favor of CDs, which they were previously hesitant to embrace due to the price difference. I have no idea of this was true but I read it somewhere.
	1:14pm BSI: Clown music is a tricky market, clearly....
	1:15pm Jeremy: I was in Japan in 1990 and went to a rent-a-CD place, I was very excited to be able to make a cassette copy of the Ron Asheton project The New Order.
	1:17pm tonyc: I've been looking for that rare New Order album "Ron Asheton."
	1:20pm tonyc: Never heard of rent-an LP or rent-a-CD stores. Don't think there were any in NYC. Wouldn't the LPs in particular be pretty scratched up?
	1:22pm tonyc: Moonlight, on now, were Finnish, but sound totally American to me. (Except for the slight accent, of course.)
	1:25pm Jeremy: I think that they checked the condition and would charge you if you really scratched it! But I am sure they probably incurred quite a bit wear. The business model is compeltely baffling to me, but I was only 12. We left when I was 13, so who knows how long they were around? I went back there 10 yrs ago and there was a record shop still in that location. Tower on 66th & Broadway used to take back any CD, even after being opened, long after the advent of CD burners.
	1:27pm Jeremy: I'd love to hear New Order covering The New Order.
	1:29pm Jeremy: Does it seem as if "international" bands that most successfully ape American and UK styles are also the most consistently uninteresting?
	1:30pm Jeremy: With exceptions, of course.
	1:30pm Snortley: There was always the option of taking out LPs and CDs from libraries, and recording copies. My girlfriend once hosted a visitor from Brazil in the 1990s who immediately bought 2 VCRs and spent 2 weeks duping videos from Kim's. Hardly saw anything else of NY.
	1:31pm Uncle Michael: Hello Drumheads
	1:31pm tonyc: @ Jeremy: In general, yes, I agree absolutely. Every once in a while, though, the aping is so well aped I forgive them. Greetings Snortley & Uncle Michael!!
	1:34pm Jeremy: @Snortley: Funny to think how much time was spent amassing personal bootleg libraries that can be acquired with the click of a mouse these days. I had two pals who spent years dubbing copies of all the VHS rarities that Kim's Video had to offer with the notion of starting a west coast version of same.
	1:37pm tonyc: @ Snortley: Ah yes, libraries. Used to burn borrowed CDs myself. It was nice too when libraries started dumping LPs en masse. I used to live very close to the central branch of the Brooklyn Public Library and they got rid of lots of great (and often barely played) LPs. (Not to speak of books!)
	1:38pm Jeremy: Not that Kim's itself was much more than a bootleg operation...the dubious legal doings of underground media production is carried from the roots all the way along to the endpoint of distribution, and not much has changed.
	1:41pm Jeremy: I went to the Lincoln Center library often to listen to records, and one day they were all gone. I asked about it and they said they were all in a dumpster in the basement. When I asked if I could go through them they said no... In Portland, my brother was there when the Multnomah library was getting rid of them but they got word of it so everyone took out the LPs they wanted and kept 'em.
	1:45pm tonyc: I'm pretty sure that Kim's bootlegging activities spread to Russia. There were a bunch of (really nice) Russian guys working there, and I suspect -- based on a store I visited in St. Petersburg -- that at least one of them was bringing CDs from Kim's to be booted in Russia.
	1:46pm Jeremy: Glad you aren't yet finnished with your treats from reindeerland. Love is the big Finnish label then? Any others to look out for?
	1:47pm Jeremy: I think I knew one of those Russian guys, he also had a psych based label.
	1:48pm tonyc: @ Jeremy: Yes, Love was Finland's Silence. The label they turned into in the '80s, Johanna, was good for post-punk and such.
	1:50pm BSI: NICE! Twelve thumbs-up for the Calvert...
	1:52pm tonyc: Just don't set those thumbs on fire!
	1:53pm Jeremy: This Robert Calvert record has super silly songs, but it has such amazing Eno production, maybe his best outside of his own records.
	1:54pm PLEDGE PIN: yeh Jeremy - I think its called legal theft. but anyway where I live in Manchester UK, the city big library was shutting and they had a huge classical section including many avant garde records. To cut a long story short by the time the library shut down I had a large Stockhausen original record collection!
	1:54pm BSI: Curiously, there's a different edit of the Storm Chant between the original vinyl & the CD reissue. Not even a remix; more like a total tape-cut edit, it's really jarring if you're accustomed to one & hear the other...
	1:55pm PLEDGE PIN: sabbath time!
	1:56pm Jeremy: @BSI: Really! Which one is the edited version?
	1:56pm Jeremy: Sabbath Two-fer Tuesday!
	1:57pm Ricardotron Montalbanics: It's funny to listen to this song beside King Crimson's Pictures of a City
	1:58pm tonyc: RE Storm Chant: I played the CD just now -- so I guess I played the edited version? (I don't own the LP.)
	1:59pm Ricardotron Montalbanics: Any song on Paranoid instantly transports me back to seventh grade. It was just such a badass album. Have you heard the Venetian Snares Sabbath remixes?
	1:59pm PLEDGE PIN: Tony, next week lets have a selection from Sabbath's Master of Reality - classic!
	1:59pm tonyc: Nope: Haven't heard the Venetian Snares stuff.
	2:00pm BSI: @Jeremy: at this point I'm not sure which is the original cut. Had the BGO-label CD for ages & that's the one I'm used to. Then finally got the UA-label vinyl (gatefold) and that one appears to be cut differently. But maybe it's the other way 'round, since I'm used to the CD, etc...
	2:01pm PLEDGE PIN: Tony, perhaps only the Comus album equals the Sabbs in dark intensity!
	2:01pm BSI: There's a few cases of re-edits of Calvert & mid-period hawkwind stuff (i.e., the vocals on High Rise, on the HW album PXR5; totally different vocal take between the LP and CD versions) ... sorry for the geek moment there. Will take meds & move on...
	2:01pm tonyc: I've got the BGO Calvert CD myself. Don't notice any overly abrupt tape edits.
	2:03pm Ricardotron Montalbanics: I'm not a huge metal fan but I really think two bands that have the heaviness down are The Melvins and Sunn (((0))). Comus is quite nice, as well.
	2:03pm BSI: TONY: Yep. it was the vinyl one that threw me. The one you played is the one I'm used to. But yeh, I might be seeing reality backwards (again?)
	2:04pm PLEDGE PIN: Ric, of course there was Black Widow, competitor's of the Sabbs in the UK at the time!
	2:07pm Ricardotron Montalbanics: Last year, I downloaded this wonderful comp of 'devil music', compiled by someone calling themselves DJ Goatface Killah. It's all 60's/70's devil/witch/satanic themed stuff. I think Black Widow was on it, but I can't be certain (I don't have it with me). I'll be sure to check that out.
	2:07pm tonyc: Didn't Black Widow beat Sabbath to the punch as far as the black magic schtick?
	2:10pm PLEDGE PIN: yes I think so, but like the story in the US of the two bands called Mountain (Bus), as soon as one of them became big the other was forgotten or run out of town by expensive lawyers!
	2:23pm Carmichael: Italian prog!
	2:30pm tonyc: Emerson, Lake & Polyphony (w/ a Robby Krieger sound-alike on guitar)
	2:33pm Carmichael: Boy, no kidding. This is Tarkus ELP mode.
	2:40pm Carmichael: Glenn Howard's Polyphony homepage: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Polyphony-Without-Introduction/200075520036170?sk=info
	2:41pm Ricardotron Montalbanics: Tarkus is one of those covers that fascinated me as a child, then, many years later, hearing the music and thinking it was kind of uninteresting, then, many more years later, I quite liked it. Also, I used to draw that armadillo/tank creature a lot when I was very little.
	2:42pm tonyc: Thanks, Carmichael! I'll have a look post-show....
	2:44pm tonyc: Hey, just a last-minute plea for pledges here, as this is almost certainly my last show during this emergency marathon. Any amount helps!
	2:46pm Brian in UK: 'Barkis is willing', This covers Charles Dickens & Lowell George. PS Hello Tony. Have you considered a show from the North Pole?
	2:48pm Jeremy: Lovely throats on these Froggies....
	2:48pm tonyc: @ Brian in UK: Broadcasting from the North Pole, you mean? The North Telephone Pole maybe....
	2:49pm Van in DC: Too busy to listen today :( But stopping in to say hi Tony! Rats. I missed Harps of Fuchsia Kalma.
	2:50pm Doug S.: GIVE THE DRUMMER RADIO PROGRAMMING ALERT... It is always a learning experience to observe the surgical theatre whilst Dr. Coulter operates. Thank you Tony! If you don't mind the sound of blood, be sure to tune in to Give the Drummer Radio this evening for two more live radio shows" GIVE THE DRUMMER SOME at 6pm KAMINSKY KAMOUTSKY WITH JESSE at 7pm In the meantime, allow your 24-hour Drummer Stream to entertain you with these fine pre-recorded medical experimenters galore: Mr. Sad Head Scatman Bailey New Dawn Lee Hazlewood Bembeya Jazz National Wrinkars Experience Shadie Oller Johnnie & Jack The Stanley Brothers The Hard Times Lux Soul Superman Dave "Baby" Cortez Mary Halvorsen Quintet Frank Lowe Iris DeMent Music of the Central African Pygmies Lionel Hampton and more and more and eternally more...
	2:50pm tonyc: Hey Van! I'll be waiting for you in archive land.
	2:52pm Doug S.: Oops, I forgot to include Jodi Mathis! She will appear following Soul Superman, above.
	2:52pm listener james from westwood: what a show! thanks so much, tony. this is always a fun ride.
	2:54pm tonyc: Thanks, listener james! And everyone else for listening. See you all next week....
	2:56pm PLEDGE PIN: Tony, great show, plenty of Black rock, lots of white noise, many pink dots, and loads of purple haze!
	2:57pm Jeremy: Thanks once again TC, you have put a sparkle on the arrival of winter.
	2:58pm tonyc: Thanks, Pledge Pin and Jeremy! Ta, all!
	2:58pm Jeremy: I hear his old man breath blowing...
	3:00pm tonyc: Old man winter hasn't really made it here yet, I'm glad to say.
	3:00pm tonyc: Just his sidekick Rain....
	3:01pm tonyc: Cheers, for realz....
	9:22pm tonyc: BIG THANKS to Jonathan from Asheville, NC, for pledging a couple of hours after today's show. Thanks much, Jonathan!!

Tony Coulter: Playlist from November 27, 2012

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