WFMU: If You Lose Your Horse with Sam Segal: Playlist from October 2, 2017

Listener comments!
	9:01pm Uncle Michael: No baseball tonight!
	9:03pm melinda: hi peeps
	9:10pm Sam Segal: Howdy, @UM and @melinda! Sad day in the USA. Glad to be here with all you streamers and dreamers.
	9:16pm still b/p: Hello. Yes, grief and lunacy in USA. If you lose your horse it's because she don't like the neigh(!)borhood anymore with all the sulfur in the air and cinders in the feed.
	9:18pm Sam Segal: One of the best answers to the titular conditional I've heard yet, @SBP.
	9:24pm northguineahills: Been listening breaking down boxes (I can't believe I'm still doing this, but I'm never home).
	9:25pm Sam Segal: I love that kind of mindless labor, @NGH.
	9:27pm Gilly Siegel: Greetings chaps!
	9:32pm Sam Segal: Pleased and flipped to have you with us, @Gilly!
	9:34pm still b/p: I'm gonna take all the piled, folded and wadded clothes off a couple of long improvised shelves -- where they've lived since a nice contemporary looking dresser reached 80% drawer failure -- and put them into an adopted old dresser and a couple of newly improvised shorter shelves....if the researchers want to study that primate storing/solving/organizing behavior after the post-storage/solution/organizing box treatments elsewhere.
	9:37pm ἶkε: @NGH, you mentioned Peruvian sounds earlier. Have you ever been to Peru? I might go at some point.
	9:39pm Gilly Siegel: I really enjoyed the Patti Labelle
	9:41pm still b/p: There was a sound that showed up just briefly in Ohianti that sounded suspiciously like Pepino, the Italian Mouse, from the Lou Monte song I heard earlier today.
	9:41pm melinda: love the calculator
	9:44pm coelacanth∅: hello Sam, horse people, hoarse people, hoarse former horse people...
	9:44pm Sam Segal: My girlfriend has been turning me onto great Kraftwerk songs lately, @melinda. They're one of the (many) great bands that I am still very unfamiliar with.
	9:46pm Sam Segal: Welcome, welcome, @coel and @ike!
	9:47pm still b/p: Driving a rural or far-flung American highway with "Autobahn" playing should be on everyone's softer bucket list.
	9:48pm melinda: @Sam: same here. What I know of them is what I hear on FMU, one of many groups I always intend to investigate further.
	9:49pm melinda: I like the concept of the soft bucket list.
	9:50pm coelacanth∅: this is amerka dammit! ther'er Skynerd songs fer that!
	9:59pm still b/p: My road memories of doing it are in a friend's '54 Desoto in 1978, which, due to the strange shifting character, flavors, relationships and mapping of time periods and artifacts, would not be the same if done today in any 1993 vehicle.
	10:04pm coelacanth∅: did you listen to autobahn on the (aftermarket) 8-track in the desoto?
	10:06pm εἶἶkε: Doing it in a '54 Desoto? Did you keep the tailpipe clean? I hope you had a muffler.
	10:09pm coelacanth∅: (you are only required to address one (1) double entendre at a time)
	10:10pm northguineahills: Do I hear Herb Alpert? (or is it the cardboard cuts bleeding my brain dry?)
	10:11pm still b/p: Cassette, I seem to recollect. Precautions or not, the ride was Desooooooto nice.
	10:11pm coelacanth∅: i think it's a spanish flea rip-off?
	10:14pm Uncle Michael: 'erb Alpert?
	10:14pm coelacanth∅: desoto was my grandfather's car of choice, apparently. i've never been in one. he switched to chrysler when they stopped making desotos.
	10:15pm Uncle Michael: ERB? ERB??
	10:15pm melinda: Does have a spanish flea sound. Game show host, exactly!
	10:16pm melinda: Hawaiian Flea
	10:16pm coelacanth∅: haha
	10:17pm Sam Segal: HERB!! HUH-ERB!! My apologies, @UM.
	10:17pm Uncle Michael: hehe
	10:18pm coelacanth∅: it's spelled herb, but you say it erb. it's spanish.
	10:19pm Uncle Michael: ummmm
	10:20pm northguineahills: Always love L.I.E.S!
	10:20pm Uncle Michael: Jerb
	10:20pm northguineahills: What year was that Still track from?
	10:22pm Sam Segal: @NGH: 2016. I also love L.I.E.S. You ever listen to any Ron Morelli mixes? One of the most inventive and far out DJs on the planet.
	10:22pm coelacanth∅: (short for Jerbert)
	10:25pm melinda: jaja
	10:28pm still b/p: "Erbie, El Insecto Del Amor"
	10:29pm coelacanth∅: love bug?
	10:31pm coelacanth∅: my mother bought a beetle when i was little. always wanted to paint it like herbie, or erbie...or jerbie...
	10:32pm still b/p: Si si, la pelicula de Disney. Dean Hones , Michele Lee, Buddy Ackett.
	10:33pm coelacanth∅: it was a '62/'65/66. (chassis, body, motor)
	10:36pm northguineahills: Herbie Goes Bananas, Ocho! (5 + 3).
	10:37pm coelacanth∅: pelicula? do i have to google that?
	10:37pm coelacanth∅: upload.wikimedia.org...
	10:38pm northguineahills: The movie? you haven't seen Herbie goes bananas? It was a fave of mine as a small child? (as were all of the Herbies (now, where's the Hancock?)
	10:38pm geezerette: Himi Jendris :)
	10:39pm coelacanth∅: oh this! so much better than the midnight lightning version.
	10:39pm melinda: I never saw the Herbies.
	10:40pm melinda: Buddy Ackett, jaja
	10:40pm coelacanth∅: haha g! ...and i never knew there was more than one movie about the love bug.....but of course there is.
	10:41pm northguineahills: When I first met my wife, she'd pronounce New Jersey, "New Yersey" (she now speaks English better then I. I had a babysitter in the early 80s that would show the Herbies to me w/ the early VHS (or maybe they were Beta).
	10:42pm still b/p: A buddy had a sixty-something convertible bug in the mid-70's that he painted a kind of perfect swimming-pool aqua. Included in those memories is a few of us riding dirt roads in a state park getting toward Cape Cod area, with one rider atop the back of the rear seat firing a bow and arrow at (non-animal) this and that. Herbie Goes Rogue.
	10:43pm coelacanth∅: haha melinda! -but maybe his non-hollyweird name was Compañero Ackett?
	10:43pm geezerette: Melinda! Coel! (jee jee) Blue Suede Zapatos Blooooze
	10:44pm melinda: jajaja!
	10:45pm melinda: He had to get a foot in the door somehow.
	10:45pm Sam Segal: Ahoy, @g! Glad you could make it.
	10:46pm northguineahills: sude de azul zabatos blues doesn't have the same ring to it..
	10:46pm coelacanth∅: ngh i've heard it said that way; and on the pixies' first album someone says "something spanish something New Hersey)
	10:46pm geezerette: Hola,Sam!
	10:48pm geezerette: no...it doesn't... :( Ahora, Yo soy azul..
	10:48pm melinda: My dad had a pale blue bug from Barbados, with the driver's seat on the right. We were riding in it when it flipped over once, I think there was a slick spot on the road. My car seat saved me, but I remember things going dark and bumpy when it happened. It hasn't been driven much since then but he still has it.
	10:50pm coelacanth∅: still bp it's amazing what those featherweight buggers were able to endure.
	10:50pm northguineahills: I love I Roy's Ten Commandments, didn't Prince Fari Also do the 10 Commandants? I'm out, I'll be back!
	10:51pm coelacanth∅: that's crazy, melinda glad you made it!
	10:53pm still b/p: Speaking of crazy, and going rogue, Buddy Hackett was a gun-packing, volatile package of crazy.
	10:54pm melinda: Me too! Having to use a car seat later at 5 and 6 was humiliating back in the 70s, but I was younger at the time of the accident.
	10:54pm coelacanth∅: ngh he did; and i admit i never heard I Roy's version until now - and i like it better
	10:56pm coelacanth∅: so buddy was in the same club as phil spector...and yosemite sam?
	10:58pm still b/p: Exactly, itchy trigger finger and it was dangerous to be Buddy's buddy. Well, this isn't exactly Pepino the Italian Mouse again, but maybe his Syrian cousin.
	10:59pm coelacanth∅: melinda why'd you have to use the car seat so late?
	11:09pm melinda: I guess my mom thought a lap belt wasn't enough. I've heard of parents doing the same thing more recently, if the kid is on the small side. I don't have kids so I don't know what's normal, but it seems like back then most parents were way too lax, not using seat belts at all, and now more of them err on the side of safety.
	11:14pm coelacanth∅: haha i thought you weren't going to answer me, as i realised it was kind of a stupid question! ...i forget that some kids had parents that treated their kids as something precious. i never even heard of car seats until i was probably a teenager; and we never wore seat belts. (i don't think our '57 chevy had them)
	11:17pm melinda: My mom was ahead of the times in that respect, but it was very unusual and was accompanied by general overprotectiveness. It all comes down to individual risk perception.
	11:19pm Dean: We don't "err on the side of safety." We are legally required to keep our kids in car seats until they're, oh, 26 or 27.
	11:20pm coelacanth∅: our next door neighbor bought a corvair, which had a back seat that folded down (up?) to create something like 2 rows of bleachers. one hot day we all went to the community pool in that car. that very small car. 7 children and 4 adults.
	11:20pm melinda: I missed out on some social events because the parent driver in question didn't have seatbelts available, cars had them but they would get lost in the seat cracks from lack of use.
	11:21pm melinda: Crazy times! Sardines in a corvair...
	11:25pm Dean: In sixth grade parents took turns taking us to school. One of the parents had a beat-up pickup. We'd sit at the very back against the gate, knowing that en route we'd pass a bump in the road. Approaching it the driver would accelerate so that when we hit the bump we'd fly several feet into the air and land (we hoped) back in the bed. Scary as all fucking get-out.
	11:26pm melinda: Our '69 Ford Econoline van had a metal fence separating the passenger area from the back, to protect us from flying cargo should there be an accident. (Dad still has the van too!)
	11:27pm still b/p: Corvair: Small, and elevated to, or exposed as, something like iconically dangerous by Ralph Nader.
	11:28pm melinda: Dean that's nuts!
	11:28pm coelacanth∅: Dean that's fucking insane!
	11:28pm melinda: Unsafe at any speed!
	11:28pm northguineahills: I was born in the late-mid-70s and I stopped using car seats when I was 3. My younger brothers when they were 4.
	11:30pm Dean: It was nuts. We survived. But then we didn't. Three of us were sent to a "special" sixth grade class. Of the three I think I'm the only one alive. One committed suicide in 2001 or so. The other I don't know, but the last time I saw him, mid-'90s, he was in a likely drug induce fog. I imagine he's gone, too.
	11:30pm coelacanth∅: the corvair is definitely one of my dream cars. ...and nader was full of shit. he obviously didn't know anything about cars!
	11:30pm northguineahills: @Dean: I had friends' parents do that w/ me in their pickups in the 80s, I thought it was awesome at the time (but we pressed ourselves against the back of the cab w/ out legs against the wheel wells so we wouldn't be thrown out of the bed of the truck).
	11:31pm still b/p: A wee scar on my cheek came from a sudden stop that caused a sudden flight forward from a fully laying-down-on-my-back position in the way-back of the station wagon. Childrens be flyin' all over back then.
	11:32pm melinda: @Dean my understanding is that car seat usage is based on weight, or something like that?
	11:32pm geezerette: Cool-trane. ahhhhh......:)
	11:33pm geezerette: who's on piano?
	11:33pm Dean: Weight, height, age.
	11:35pm geezerette: nevermind, can search on the internettes.
	11:35pm Dean: As for Nader, my wife was rear-ended in her Pinto in '95 (not at the time my wife). Put her in a coma for several days. She's alive (now my wife). Coulda been worse.
	11:36pm coelacanth∅: i picked up a hitch hiker once near mexico and when we got to the mesa in new mexico where his crew was, found out that 2 friends where flown to denver that day in critical condition because they'd gotten thrown out the back of a pick up. the female definitely lost her baby and maybe didn't make it herself.
	11:36pm melinda: Spared an explosion, but yikes.
	11:37pm Dean: Our pickup truck fiasco was c.1971. Good times.
	11:38pm coelacanth∅: ford knowingly put that pinto on the road because they determined that the cost of a recall would be more than the lawsuits. nice people.
	11:40pm Dean: Hey, cost-benefit. Sensible way to view the world. There are genuinely smart people who believe that shit.
	11:42pm Sam Segal: Hey, @G. Sorry just seeing. That's McCoy Tyner, I believe.
	11:43pm melinda: Sam do you remember how old you were when you got out of the car seat?
	11:44pm Sam Segal: Fantastic question, @Melinda. As the son of anxious pediatrician, I think it was around five...maybe even six.
	11:44pm coelacanth∅: Jay Leno and his beautiful corvair! images.hgmsites.net...
	11:45pm coelacanth∅: (...but of course, i have MANY dream cars!)
	11:46pm melinda: jaja. I figured late car seat usage was more common in more recent decades. Makes me feel a bit better.
	11:47pm geezerette: Thanks, Sam! Figures, love his playing. Digging the set.
	11:47pm melinda: @coel I like the red Citroen better.
	11:49pm geezerette: Howdy, Dean!
	11:49pm coelacanth∅: melinda - "the shark"! - that citroen is higher on my list of dream cars than the corvair! what a brilliant piece of art that is!
	11:51pm Dean: Howdy, geezerette! (Funny. I'm known among my friends and associates for saying "Howdy!")
	11:52pm melinda: Right? I've seen a couple in town, but not regularly. There was an article by Luc Sante some years ago about a pink one he spotted in upstate NY that looked like a space age tuna. I thought that was the best description.
	11:55pm coelacanth∅: hahaha! - i think i haven't seen one on the road in a few years now, sadly.
	11:58pm melinda: Suicide is another group I intend to investigate.
	11:59pm coelacanth∅: okay, if i had to drive a pink ciroen, it'd be THIS pink - i.pinimg.com...
	11:59pm geezerette: Thanks, Sam! Thanks, board buddies!
	12:00am melinda: Coel that looks like a piece of candy! Thanks Sam! Nite everyone.
	12:00am Dean: Times are tough, but not bad. Shows like this prove the latter.
	12:02am coelacanth∅: obrigado Sam! Excelente! tchau camaradas
	12:02am Sam Segal: Dean, you are a mensch! I truly value all of your open ears. Thanks, gang.
	12:02am coelacanth∅: melinda, yeah! yum!

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October 2, 2017: C'mon, Be My Horse!

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Approx. start time
Luiz Melodia	Baby Rose "Baby Rose" by "Luiz Melodia"	Maravilhas Contemporaneas	Som Livre
Ney Matogrosso	Coubanakan "Coubanakan" by "Ney Matogrosso"	Água Do Céu Pássaro	Continental	0:06:17 (Pop-up)
A Barca Do Sol	Jando "Jando" by "A Barca Do Sol"	Pirata	Verão	0:11:12 (Pop-up)
Cátia De França	Não Marque As Horas	Estilhaços	Epic	0:17:26 (Pop-up)

Patti Labelle	The Spirit's In It "The Spirit's In It" by "Patti Labelle"	The Spirit's In It	Philadelphia International	0:25:01 (Pop-up)
Caprice	100% "100%" by "Caprice"	Leroy Burgess Anthology Vol. 2: The Producer	Soul Brother	0:33:58 (Pop-up)
Asare Bediako	Ohianti "Ohianti" by "Asare Bediako"	Lovers Hi Life	Highlife World	0:35:26 (Pop-up)
Kraftwerk	Pocket Calculator "Pocket Calculator" by "Kraftwerk"	Computer World	Warner Bros.	0:40:29 (Pop-up)
Life's Track	Unconventional Sound (feat. Mar G)	Jheri Tracks Vol. 1	Jheri Tracks	0:45:30 (Pop-up)
Move D	Eastman "Eastman" by "Move D"	Kunstoff	Source	0:48:43 (Pop-up)
Aver	Boltzmann Gehirn "Boltzmann Gehirn" by "Aver"	Die Berlin Dateien	Village Live	0:56:06 (Pop-up)
Randy Weston	Hi Fly "Hi Fly" by "Randy Weston"	Mosaic Select #4	Mosaic	0:57:43 (Pop-up)
Lee Konitz & The Gerry Mulligan Quartet	I'll Remember April	Konitz Meets Mulligan	Pacific Jazz	1:05:01 (Pop-up)

Still	Haile Selassie Is The Micro-Chip	I	PAN	1:17:49 (Pop-up)
Krikor Kouchian'	Ninos Matadores (Dancehall Cut)	Single	L.I.E.S. (Long Island Electrical Systems)	1:19:15 (Pop-up)
Bonaventure	Synchronicity "Synchronicity" by "Bonaventure"	FREE LUTANGU	PTP	1:24:00 (Pop-up)
Klein	Farewell Sorry "Farewell Sorry" by "Klein"	Tommy EP	Hyperdub	1:27:13 (Pop-up)
YATTA	heart2home "heart2home" by "YATTA"	Spirit Said Yes!	PTP	1:30:27 (Pop-up)
I Roy	Commandment IV "Commandment IV" by "I Roy"	Ten Commandments	Gorgon	1:32:39 (Pop-up)
Jimi Hendrix	Blue Suede Shoes "Blue Suede Shoes" by "Jimi Hendrix"	Record Plant Jams Vol. 1	Bootleg	1:36:23 (Pop-up)

Mohammed Al Ali	Mili Alay (Sway To Me)	Dabke: Sounds of the Syrian Houran	Sham Palace	1:55:58 (Pop-up)
Tyondai Braxton	Studio Mariacha "Studio Mariacha" by "Tyondai Braxton"	HIVE1	Nonesuch	2:00:08 (Pop-up)
Shit and Shine	Behind You Back "Behind You Back" by "Shit and Shine"	Some People Really Know How to Live	Editions Mego	2:02:41 (Pop-up)
DMX Krew	Snowy Blue "Snowy Blue" by "DMX Krew"	Strange Directions	Hypercolour	2:07:19 (Pop-up)
Beastie Respond	Never Present "Never Present" by "Beastie Respond"	Information City	Foul-Up	2:10:43 (Pop-up)
Jason Fine	Larissa "Larissa" by "Jason Fine"	Moonscapes	Don't Be Afraid	2:13:47 (Pop-up)
Bellows	Untitled "Untitled" by "Bellows"	Sander	Latency	2:19:38 (Pop-up)
Meemo Comma	Dialup "Dialup" by "Meemo Comma"	Ghosts on the Stairs	Objects Limited	2:24:09 (Pop-up)

John Coltrane	Naima "Naima" by "John Coltrane"	The Complete 1961 Village Vanguard Recordings	Impulse	2:29:32 (Pop-up)
Antithesis	Angela "Angela" by "Antithesis"	Antithesis	Arise	2:36:48 (Pop-up)
Emmanuel Habumuremy	Ihorere "Ihorere" by "Emmanuel Habumuremy"	Abatwa (The Pygmy): Why Did We Stop Growing Tall?	Glitterbeat	2:43:16 (Pop-up)
Jon Hassell	Toucan Ocean "Toucan Ocean" by "Jon Hassell"	Vernal Equinox	Lovely Music, Ltd.	2:47:27 (Pop-up)
Nadia Khan	Slight Drift "Slight Drift" by "Nadia Khan"	Open Interior	Where to Now?	2:51:21 (Pop-up)
Suicide	Surrender "Surrender" by "Suicide"	A Way of Life	Chapter 22	2:56:12 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	9:01pm Uncle Michael: No baseball tonight!
	9:03pm melinda: hi peeps
	9:10pm Sam Segal: Howdy, @UM and @melinda! Sad day in the USA. Glad to be here with all you streamers and dreamers.
	9:16pm still b/p: Hello. Yes, grief and lunacy in USA. If you lose your horse it's because she don't like the neigh(!)borhood anymore with all the sulfur in the air and cinders in the feed.
	9:18pm Sam Segal: One of the best answers to the titular conditional I've heard yet, @SBP.
	9:24pm northguineahills: Been listening breaking down boxes (I can't believe I'm still doing this, but I'm never home).
	9:25pm Sam Segal: I love that kind of mindless labor, @NGH.
	9:27pm Gilly Siegel: Greetings chaps!
	9:32pm Sam Segal: Pleased and flipped to have you with us, @Gilly!
	9:34pm still b/p: I'm gonna take all the piled, folded and wadded clothes off a couple of long improvised shelves -- where they've lived since a nice contemporary looking dresser reached 80% drawer failure -- and put them into an adopted old dresser and a couple of newly improvised shorter shelves....if the researchers want to study that primate storing/solving/organizing behavior after the post-storage/solution/organizing box treatments elsewhere.
	9:37pm ἶkε: @NGH, you mentioned Peruvian sounds earlier. Have you ever been to Peru? I might go at some point.
	9:39pm Gilly Siegel: I really enjoyed the Patti Labelle
	9:41pm still b/p: There was a sound that showed up just briefly in Ohianti that sounded suspiciously like Pepino, the Italian Mouse, from the Lou Monte song I heard earlier today.
	9:41pm melinda: love the calculator
	9:44pm coelacanth∅: hello Sam, horse people, hoarse people, hoarse former horse people...
	9:44pm Sam Segal: My girlfriend has been turning me onto great Kraftwerk songs lately, @melinda. They're one of the (many) great bands that I am still very unfamiliar with.
	9:46pm Sam Segal: Welcome, welcome, @coel and @ike!
	9:47pm still b/p: Driving a rural or far-flung American highway with "Autobahn" playing should be on everyone's softer bucket list.
	9:48pm melinda: @Sam: same here. What I know of them is what I hear on FMU, one of many groups I always intend to investigate further.
	9:49pm melinda: I like the concept of the soft bucket list.
	9:50pm coelacanth∅: this is amerka dammit! ther'er Skynerd songs fer that!
	9:59pm still b/p: My road memories of doing it are in a friend's '54 Desoto in 1978, which, due to the strange shifting character, flavors, relationships and mapping of time periods and artifacts, would not be the same if done today in any 1993 vehicle.
	10:04pm coelacanth∅: did you listen to autobahn on the (aftermarket) 8-track in the desoto?
	10:06pm εἶἶkε: Doing it in a '54 Desoto? Did you keep the tailpipe clean? I hope you had a muffler.
	10:09pm coelacanth∅: (you are only required to address one (1) double entendre at a time)
	10:10pm northguineahills: Do I hear Herb Alpert? (or is it the cardboard cuts bleeding my brain dry?)
	10:11pm still b/p: Cassette, I seem to recollect. Precautions or not, the ride was Desooooooto nice.
	10:11pm coelacanth∅: i think it's a spanish flea rip-off?
	10:14pm Uncle Michael: 'erb Alpert?
	10:14pm coelacanth∅: desoto was my grandfather's car of choice, apparently. i've never been in one. he switched to chrysler when they stopped making desotos.
	10:15pm Uncle Michael: ERB? ERB??
	10:15pm melinda: Does have a spanish flea sound. Game show host, exactly!
	10:16pm melinda: Hawaiian Flea
	10:16pm coelacanth∅: haha
	10:17pm Sam Segal: HERB!! HUH-ERB!! My apologies, @UM.
	10:17pm Uncle Michael: hehe
	10:18pm coelacanth∅: it's spelled herb, but you say it erb. it's spanish.
	10:19pm Uncle Michael: ummmm
	10:20pm northguineahills: Always love L.I.E.S!
	10:20pm Uncle Michael: Jerb
	10:20pm northguineahills: What year was that Still track from?
	10:22pm Sam Segal: @NGH: 2016. I also love L.I.E.S. You ever listen to any Ron Morelli mixes? One of the most inventive and far out DJs on the planet.
	10:22pm coelacanth∅: (short for Jerbert)
	10:25pm melinda: jaja
	10:28pm still b/p: "Erbie, El Insecto Del Amor"
	10:29pm coelacanth∅: love bug?
	10:31pm coelacanth∅: my mother bought a beetle when i was little. always wanted to paint it like herbie, or erbie...or jerbie...
	10:32pm still b/p: Si si, la pelicula de Disney. Dean Hones , Michele Lee, Buddy Ackett.
	10:33pm coelacanth∅: it was a '62/'65/66. (chassis, body, motor)
	10:36pm northguineahills: Herbie Goes Bananas, Ocho! (5 + 3).
	10:37pm coelacanth∅: pelicula? do i have to google that?
	10:37pm coelacanth∅: upload.wikimedia.org...
	10:38pm northguineahills: The movie? you haven't seen Herbie goes bananas? It was a fave of mine as a small child? (as were all of the Herbies (now, where's the Hancock?)
	10:38pm geezerette: Himi Jendris :)
	10:39pm coelacanth∅: oh this! so much better than the midnight lightning version.
	10:39pm melinda: I never saw the Herbies.
	10:40pm melinda: Buddy Ackett, jaja
	10:40pm coelacanth∅: haha g! ...and i never knew there was more than one movie about the love bug.....but of course there is.
	10:41pm northguineahills: When I first met my wife, she'd pronounce New Jersey, "New Yersey" (she now speaks English better then I. I had a babysitter in the early 80s that would show the Herbies to me w/ the early VHS (or maybe they were Beta).
	10:42pm still b/p: A buddy had a sixty-something convertible bug in the mid-70's that he painted a kind of perfect swimming-pool aqua. Included in those memories is a few of us riding dirt roads in a state park getting toward Cape Cod area, with one rider atop the back of the rear seat firing a bow and arrow at (non-animal) this and that. Herbie Goes Rogue.
	10:43pm coelacanth∅: haha melinda! -but maybe his non-hollyweird name was Compañero Ackett?
	10:43pm geezerette: Melinda! Coel! (jee jee) Blue Suede Zapatos Blooooze
	10:44pm melinda: jajaja!
	10:45pm melinda: He had to get a foot in the door somehow.
	10:45pm Sam Segal: Ahoy, @g! Glad you could make it.
	10:46pm northguineahills: sude de azul zabatos blues doesn't have the same ring to it..
	10:46pm coelacanth∅: ngh i've heard it said that way; and on the pixies' first album someone says "something spanish something New Hersey)
	10:46pm geezerette: Hola,Sam!
	10:48pm geezerette: no...it doesn't... :( Ahora, Yo soy azul..
	10:48pm melinda: My dad had a pale blue bug from Barbados, with the driver's seat on the right. We were riding in it when it flipped over once, I think there was a slick spot on the road. My car seat saved me, but I remember things going dark and bumpy when it happened. It hasn't been driven much since then but he still has it.
	10:50pm coelacanth∅: still bp it's amazing what those featherweight buggers were able to endure.
	10:50pm northguineahills: I love I Roy's Ten Commandments, didn't Prince Fari Also do the 10 Commandants? I'm out, I'll be back!
	10:51pm coelacanth∅: that's crazy, melinda glad you made it!
	10:53pm still b/p: Speaking of crazy, and going rogue, Buddy Hackett was a gun-packing, volatile package of crazy.
	10:54pm melinda: Me too! Having to use a car seat later at 5 and 6 was humiliating back in the 70s, but I was younger at the time of the accident.
	10:54pm coelacanth∅: ngh he did; and i admit i never heard I Roy's version until now - and i like it better
	10:56pm coelacanth∅: so buddy was in the same club as phil spector...and yosemite sam?
	10:58pm still b/p: Exactly, itchy trigger finger and it was dangerous to be Buddy's buddy. Well, this isn't exactly Pepino the Italian Mouse again, but maybe his Syrian cousin.
	10:59pm coelacanth∅: melinda why'd you have to use the car seat so late?
	11:09pm melinda: I guess my mom thought a lap belt wasn't enough. I've heard of parents doing the same thing more recently, if the kid is on the small side. I don't have kids so I don't know what's normal, but it seems like back then most parents were way too lax, not using seat belts at all, and now more of them err on the side of safety.
	11:14pm coelacanth∅: haha i thought you weren't going to answer me, as i realised it was kind of a stupid question! ...i forget that some kids had parents that treated their kids as something precious. i never even heard of car seats until i was probably a teenager; and we never wore seat belts. (i don't think our '57 chevy had them)
	11:17pm melinda: My mom was ahead of the times in that respect, but it was very unusual and was accompanied by general overprotectiveness. It all comes down to individual risk perception.
	11:19pm Dean: We don't "err on the side of safety." We are legally required to keep our kids in car seats until they're, oh, 26 or 27.
	11:20pm coelacanth∅: our next door neighbor bought a corvair, which had a back seat that folded down (up?) to create something like 2 rows of bleachers. one hot day we all went to the community pool in that car. that very small car. 7 children and 4 adults.
	11:20pm melinda: I missed out on some social events because the parent driver in question didn't have seatbelts available, cars had them but they would get lost in the seat cracks from lack of use.
	11:21pm melinda: Crazy times! Sardines in a corvair...
	11:25pm Dean: In sixth grade parents took turns taking us to school. One of the parents had a beat-up pickup. We'd sit at the very back against the gate, knowing that en route we'd pass a bump in the road. Approaching it the driver would accelerate so that when we hit the bump we'd fly several feet into the air and land (we hoped) back in the bed. Scary as all fucking get-out.
	11:26pm melinda: Our '69 Ford Econoline van had a metal fence separating the passenger area from the back, to protect us from flying cargo should there be an accident. (Dad still has the van too!)
	11:27pm still b/p: Corvair: Small, and elevated to, or exposed as, something like iconically dangerous by Ralph Nader.
	11:28pm melinda: Dean that's nuts!
	11:28pm coelacanth∅: Dean that's fucking insane!
	11:28pm melinda: Unsafe at any speed!
	11:28pm northguineahills: I was born in the late-mid-70s and I stopped using car seats when I was 3. My younger brothers when they were 4.
	11:30pm Dean: It was nuts. We survived. But then we didn't. Three of us were sent to a "special" sixth grade class. Of the three I think I'm the only one alive. One committed suicide in 2001 or so. The other I don't know, but the last time I saw him, mid-'90s, he was in a likely drug induce fog. I imagine he's gone, too.
	11:30pm coelacanth∅: the corvair is definitely one of my dream cars. ...and nader was full of shit. he obviously didn't know anything about cars!
	11:30pm northguineahills: @Dean: I had friends' parents do that w/ me in their pickups in the 80s, I thought it was awesome at the time (but we pressed ourselves against the back of the cab w/ out legs against the wheel wells so we wouldn't be thrown out of the bed of the truck).
	11:31pm still b/p: A wee scar on my cheek came from a sudden stop that caused a sudden flight forward from a fully laying-down-on-my-back position in the way-back of the station wagon. Childrens be flyin' all over back then.
	11:32pm melinda: @Dean my understanding is that car seat usage is based on weight, or something like that?
	11:32pm geezerette: Cool-trane. ahhhhh......:)
	11:33pm geezerette: who's on piano?
	11:33pm Dean: Weight, height, age.
	11:35pm geezerette: nevermind, can search on the internettes.
	11:35pm Dean: As for Nader, my wife was rear-ended in her Pinto in '95 (not at the time my wife). Put her in a coma for several days. She's alive (now my wife). Coulda been worse.
	11:36pm coelacanth∅: i picked up a hitch hiker once near mexico and when we got to the mesa in new mexico where his crew was, found out that 2 friends where flown to denver that day in critical condition because they'd gotten thrown out the back of a pick up. the female definitely lost her baby and maybe didn't make it herself.
	11:36pm melinda: Spared an explosion, but yikes.
	11:37pm Dean: Our pickup truck fiasco was c.1971. Good times.
	11:38pm coelacanth∅: ford knowingly put that pinto on the road because they determined that the cost of a recall would be more than the lawsuits. nice people.
	11:40pm Dean: Hey, cost-benefit. Sensible way to view the world. There are genuinely smart people who believe that shit.
	11:42pm Sam Segal: Hey, @G. Sorry just seeing. That's McCoy Tyner, I believe.
	11:43pm melinda: Sam do you remember how old you were when you got out of the car seat?
	11:44pm Sam Segal: Fantastic question, @Melinda. As the son of anxious pediatrician, I think it was around five...maybe even six.
	11:44pm coelacanth∅: Jay Leno and his beautiful corvair! images.hgmsites.net...
	11:45pm coelacanth∅: (...but of course, i have MANY dream cars!)
	11:46pm melinda: jaja. I figured late car seat usage was more common in more recent decades. Makes me feel a bit better.
	11:47pm geezerette: Thanks, Sam! Figures, love his playing. Digging the set.
	11:47pm melinda: @coel I like the red Citroen better.
	11:49pm geezerette: Howdy, Dean!
	11:49pm coelacanth∅: melinda - "the shark"! - that citroen is higher on my list of dream cars than the corvair! what a brilliant piece of art that is!
	11:51pm Dean: Howdy, geezerette! (Funny. I'm known among my friends and associates for saying "Howdy!")
	11:52pm melinda: Right? I've seen a couple in town, but not regularly. There was an article by Luc Sante some years ago about a pink one he spotted in upstate NY that looked like a space age tuna. I thought that was the best description.
	11:55pm coelacanth∅: hahaha! - i think i haven't seen one on the road in a few years now, sadly.
	11:58pm melinda: Suicide is another group I intend to investigate.
	11:59pm coelacanth∅: okay, if i had to drive a pink ciroen, it'd be THIS pink - i.pinimg.com...
	11:59pm geezerette: Thanks, Sam! Thanks, board buddies!
	12:00am melinda: Coel that looks like a piece of candy! Thanks Sam! Nite everyone.
	12:00am Dean: Times are tough, but not bad. Shows like this prove the latter.
	12:02am coelacanth∅: obrigado Sam! Excelente! tchau camaradas
	12:02am Sam Segal: Dean, you are a mensch! I truly value all of your open ears. Thanks, gang.
	12:02am coelacanth∅: melinda, yeah! yum!

If You Lose Your Horse with Sam Segal: Playlist from October 2, 2017

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